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Pistons open practice notes

The Pistons held their annual open practice at Oakland University last night, and while I wasn't able to attend, I thought I'd draw your attention to DBB reader Diablo, who posted his thoughts in the comments of another post:

Anyways, I thought the practice was interesting, wasn’t too concerned about our veterans, I was mainly trying to focus in on the play of the younger players.

Amir Johnson played decent, at times it seems liked he got lost in the middle of the paint. Ive heard rumors about him being faster than Rip and i wouldn't say those rumors are far off, it seemed liked he would be flying down court on Every fast break opportunity. I definitely see him getting alot of his points off of transition breaks and offensive tip-ins.

Rodney Stuckey is an extremely fast player and looks like he will be able to play the 1 very well. Didn’t see him take too many jumpers but he definitely knows how to draw contact when driving to lane. Evidence to all the free throws he shot. Also, it seemed like Lidnsey HAS adopted the role of being a player/teacher to him, i seen a number of occasions where he pulled Stuckey over giving him a piece of him veteran knowledge.

Aaron Afflalo has a beautiful shot, he knocked down some nice 3s and also seen him being moved around on defense to guard the Point and Shooting Guard.

Cheikh Samb was impressive, i could definitely see him playing in the NBA if he can pick UP his WEIGHT!

Jarvis Hayes and Nazr Mohammad surprisingly played pretty good.

Flip Murray on the other hand … not so much.

Flip Saunders actually was coaching, thought that was impressive also…lol

I’m not an expert analysis but those are somethings that stuck out to me while watching the practice. Might of actually done alot more analyzing on the players if i knew i was going to be the only one going to the Open Practice.

UPDATE: DBB reader Zach R. left last night's scrimmage with a slightly different opinion on some of the players, which he emailed to me this morning:

First of all, Flip Murray did not look that bad. I am not a big Murray guy, but he play impressively on the offensive end. On the defensive end, he had trouble sticking with the much quicker Stuckey, and once again proved that he can be a defensive liability out there. Diablo was right about Stuckey, he showed a definite knack for driving the lane and forcing contact. He's a little bigger than I expected, and much more fluid with the ball than I had anticipated. He's definitely not a pass first guard (not that we want/need him to be), but there were several occasions when any easy dish could have resulted in 2, and instead he tried to create his own shot. No complaints here, we've been missing that tenacity and killer instinct for the last couple of seasons, but if he wants to be truly special he needs to develop that aspect of his game.

Jarvis Hayes- First off, let me say that I was kind of a big Delfino guy, and was really disappointed that he's gone. When I thought about our second line this year, I imagined he would fit perfectly with the run-more mentality we hopefully will adopt. However, after watching Jarvis last night I have a little more faith in him. To be sure, he is nowhere near as athletic and does not play the same harassing D, but his spot up game is right on. Several times he spotted up for 3's or long twos, and had a nice drive and finish in the 2nd. I know it was only a practice, but we brought the guy in to hit 3's and and open J's and that's exactly what he was doing. As much as I love carlos, he never developed that consistent jumper that would make him a triple threat guy.

Cheik Samb- Diablo was way off. This guy did not look like he knew what was going on half the time. I know he's only been playing a short time, and I agree he has great potential, but he looked like a flamingo on stilts. His footwork on the offensive end needs a lot of work. He received several feeds in the post and didn't know what to do with them. Awkward turns and ball strips were the theme of the evening. His defense does look formidable though. He seems to have a knack for timing blocks. In this way he is a good help side defender, but his man up game needs to be refined. Besides being super skinny, he didn't seem to totally get angles. He could be in the NBA one day, but its not this year (or next in my opinion).

I agree with his assessment of Amir. I love the kid and have been an avid fan since we drafted him. I guess i was expecting a little more from him (unfairly), but he looked great running. He is extremely fast and agile and loves the chance to throw down. But Diablo was right, he gets lost in the paint. He doesn't allow himself to take up space. Afflalo looked decent. He played consistent, he hit his shots, and he plays fearless defense. The reports of him being not a great athlete were accurate, but he does look stagnant when compared with fellow rookie Stuckey.

Also the atmosphere seemed as more fun than it did last year. It seemed like the younger guys were really excited to get everything started and were impressed to see a standing room only Oakland arena. Sheed was having a blast, hamming it up with everyone from the crowd to the rookies. I am not worried about the starters, but Billups jumper is off and he hasn't had it right since last regular season. He even shot poorly during the FIBA tournament this summer. I am not panicking, but he needs to get the ship straightened.

If you were at the game, I'd like to hear your impressions in the comments.

For another account, here's A. Sherrod Blakely from MLive.com:

Once the ball went up, everyone's eyes were glued to the youngsters. Of the rookies, Rodney Stuckey was clearly the best. I wouldn't put him in the same league as D-Wade and Baron Davis, but the comparisons he has drawn to them are legit. He scored 14 points in the scrimmage while making just one basket from the field. The rest of his points came from the free throw line.

He had a lot of other interesting observations, including some predictions about Jarvis Hayes, so you'll probably want to read his whole piece.

Krista Jahnke of the Detroit Free Press was also there, and she mentions the softer side of Rasheed Wallace in her blog:

The rookies – Stuckey, Afflalo, Samb and Mejia – all came in wearing white headbands with the word "Rook" scrawled on them. Take one guess which veteran was responsible for that.

"Come on, who else?" Billups said. "’Sheed, man."

That man, Rasheed Wallace, made the night for two kids. He plucked two boys out of the crowd and kept them by his side as they went through warm-ups and drills. Then, during the scrimmage, they sat by him on the bench.

He does something like that every year -- and it’s not like anyone is making him. I get the picture he just really genuinely likes kids, and it’s always nice to see.

On a side note, I can't believe I beat Natalie to the punch posting this ...

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I know I’ll probably sorry i ever said it but: “it looks like nazr might get a chance to actually crack the rotation this year”
I just know i’m gonna find out i was way too optimistic…

by Ohad on Oct 5, 2007 5:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Here’s what I noticed at OU:

Jason Maxiell has slimmed down a TON. He had a few monster dunks, but he still can’t make FTs.

Jarvis Hayes was probably the most impressive player, period. That guy can flat out score! He’s definitely an upgrade from any other SF the Pistons have had to backup Prince.

Cheikh Samb is easily 7’ tall & can block shots, but he’s a STIFF.

Aaron Afflalo is the exact same type of player as Rip… moves very well w/o the ball and can fill it up from the perimeter.

Amir Johnson is the real deal. He can score in the post + run and jump as well as anyone on the floor. He’s definitely no taller than 6’9" or maybe 6’10", contrary to reports that he may be pushing 7’.

Nazr Mohammed played better than any other big man, hands down. He was active, scored in the post, passed well to the cutters, rebounded, and even had 2 steals. I’m not saying he’s incredible or anything, and I still want to see Webber as a Piston this season, but if Nazr can do those things consistently, he’ll be a valuable big man off the bench.

Rodney Stuckey takes it to the hoop aggressively every time he gets the ball. He either gets a layup or 2 FTs. That’s HUGE! I think he, like Hayes, will be the best backup at his position that the Pistons have had in a LONG time.

GO PISTONS!

by KevinDeets on Oct 5, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

i’m so glad that ass-dragging, under-achieving, over-rated and over-hyped benchwarmer carlos delfino is gone, i could almost cry.

by nat on Oct 5, 2007 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

As for Cheik Samb, i did think he was impressive, outside the paint he has a nice soft turn around jumper. I know the guy doesn’t weigh alot, so I wasn’t going to bash him on his play down low in the post. I think if he picked up his weight and put on some more muscle he could be a nice player. I’m not expecting to see him getting any real NBA minutes for awhile, I didn’t come to the Open Practice expecting him to make an impact. But for a guy (meaning me) who said he doesn’t have any future in the NBA a couple of months ago and now finally getting to see him play up-close i felt he might have some potenial.

Unfortunately, i wasn’t impressed by Flip, i have backed up Flip for awhile. But to me, it seemed like he was “out of place” and everytime he drived to the lane he did not seem to have full control of the ball and SOMETIMES got the foul.

by Diablo on Oct 5, 2007 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to hear the insight. I’m looking forward to this season. Hollinger has us going 48-34 and finishing 3rd in the Central Division. Same old story.

I live in the DC area and was listening to the local sports radio guys analyze the East. They were all luke warm on anybody winning the East. A caller called in and said… and I quote “Detroit is a JOKE!!” And you know what the worst thing was, one of the radio hosts AGREED with him.

I know I eat the cornbread and drink the kool-aid from time to time, but really aren’t Boston and the Pistons the only Eastern teams that actually improved over the offseason? Maybe NY.

This will be fun to be the surprise team of the year for the 7th time in a row.

by Brad on Oct 5, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Hollinger always writes about the Pistons under the assumption that someone will get injured, which is basically impossible because we have Satan/Arnie Kander on our side. I like the guy’s stuff when it comes to player trends but he hasn’t always fared that well when it comes to predicting team success.

by Paul M on Oct 5, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s only by one game, but Hollinger has us behind the MAGIC. A lot of people have criticized them for going out and getting Rashard Lewis at such a steep price. I’m not even going to do that, but without Darko and Battie (cough no frontcourt depth cough), even the biggest fan of Lewis and/or Stan Van has got to be somewhat cautious toward agreeing to such a huge improvement from Orlando.

That’s just one of the myriad of things I see wrong with Hollinger’s predictions. His views are all kinds of screwed up and I’m not going to put one more ounce of energy into even thinking about his ridiculous predictions.

Brad, it Detroit is a joke, then that caller and host need to know that the Wiz are a feature-length, stand-up special.

by LawyerBoy on Oct 5, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya, I thought it was funny, especially coming from a wiz fan. Detroit has alot of haters because our basketball has been pretty boring… and the arrogance thing. Its annoying to me… I can’t imagine if I were a Cav fan or Bulls fan… or a Wiz fan. Plus, they REALLY hate Sheed in DC… and the fact that Ben, Sheed, and Rip all used to wear Bullets jerseys just reminds them of their futility.

I thought Hollinger was the most off when it came to the Wiz though… third from last in the East?!?! That really comes out of nowhere. Arenas, Butler, and Jamison… no guy in the middle, but really, they can score in bunches.

My over-under on the Pistons is 55. I think they’ll be closer to 60 than 50.

by Brad on Oct 5, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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