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Pistons inch past Hawks

Random thoughts from the home opener against the Hawks:

Jason Maxiell looked good, huh? 15 points, eight boards and four blocks. The guy was aggressive all night long (he at least two goaltending calls, as well) but managed to stay out of foul trouble with only one called against him. He played 26 minutes, and as I mentioned at HOOPSWORLD, he's the one keeping Amir Johnson on the bench. (Well, that and the fact that Amir isn't 100% healthy yet.)

As for Detroit, it was good to have Rip Hamilton back in the mix: 21 points on 10-15 shooting. The no free throws was odd (as was the fact he fouled out), but he seemed to score many of his points on the fast break. I got a few of his post-game comments up in the HOOPSWORLD post-game blog linked above. It was his first game in a month, and it wasn't too bad.

Plus, it was good to see Chauncey Billups put the game on ice by drawing a foul with 1.9 seconds left, though it would have been nice if he hit both of his free throws. Josh Smith's desperation three at the buzzer sailed over the backboard, but after watching Marvin Williams hit a half-court three at halftime, I'm sure a lot of people tuning into the game were holding their breath. (Of course, even if he hit both to put the Pistons up by two, a desperation three could have still sunk them, but still, being Mr. Big Shot means hitting clutch free throws, right?)

The Hawks are wasting their time with Tyronn Lue in the starting lineup. He scored six on 2-7 shooting but had just three assists and was -12 for the night. Rookie Acie Law, on the other hand, scored 11 on 5-6 shooting, and even though he had five turnovers with no assists, he was +11 on the night. I think having the plus/minus column in the NBA.com box scores is a blessing and a curse, since it's going to be really easy to rely on it blindly while ignoring actual game circumstances, but Law simply looked good out there, whereas Lue seemed like a non-factor.

All in all, the Hawks looked damn good: they have a lot of solid, young players (if he played for any other team, Josh Smith would be a household name already), and the pieces really seem to be falling into place. They went 7-1 in the preseason and already beat Dallas. I'm not saying they'll be an actual contender, but I won't be surprised if they sneak into consideration for the 7th or 8th spot, where they'd be an extremely dangerous matchup in the first round as a team playing with house money and nothing to lose. Obviously, I'm getting a little ahead of myself considering they have 80 games to go, but if you have League Pass, keep an eye on them this year.

I'm sure some people would have expected some kind of blowout, but hey, it's better than last year's opener, right? The starters played well, the bench came through when it had to and at least one youngster had a standout game. If that's the recipe for most of the games this year, it'll be a very good season.

Pistons 91, Hawks 90 box score [NBA.com]

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With Anthony Johnson unavailable, Mike Woodson couldn’t start his third-best point guard as is his wont. That limited his ability to shoot his team in the foot to turning a decent-to-good backup point guard (Lue) into an overmatched starter.

I like Lue’s chances to play Flip Murray even or get the best of him. He has no chance of slowing down Chauncey Billups.

Also, Maxiell v. Smith was great fun to watch. Probably even more fun for you as Maxiell won handily.

by hoopinion on Nov 5, 2007 7:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

“All in all, the Hawks looked damn good: they have a lot of solid, young players (if he played for any other team, Josh Smith would be a household name already), and the pieces really seem to be falling into place.”

Do you mean Joe Johnson?

by Pistons Nation on Nov 5, 2007 10:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I believe that Josh Smith didn’t sign a contract extension, so that means he’ll be a free agent at the end of the season. Maybe we’ll be seeing him in commercials sooner than later?

Acie Law and Al Horford looked really good though. I think the Hawks are good enough to battle for an 8th seed.

by Mr. Monday on Nov 5, 2007 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

PistonsNation: No, I meant Josh Smith, and I guess the fact that I needed to clarify solidifies my point that he’s unknown. He’s explosive as hell — great rebounder and outstanding shot-blocker despite the fact that he’s a short 6-9, plus he’s a terror in the paint with his dunks. If he was a on team determined to build around him instead of a team with 10,000 former lottery picks each thinking they’re the main guy of the future, he might already be an All-Star.

by Matt Watson on Nov 5, 2007 11:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

They had so many young guys that their speed up and down the court caused was probably the biggest problem for us. Most of 2nd and 3rd quarter the Hawks had their shot off before we could get our defense set up. We some trouble with fouls too.

by Matt C. on Nov 5, 2007 11:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I feel that way about Joe Johnson. I feel that guy is a heck of a player now and hasn’t even reached his full potential.

Josh Smith is nice but there’s still a major flaw in his game, that jumper. He’s a the kind of guy that can help a team win with all the things he does so well, but I don’t don’t think he’s the type of player you can build around.

by Pistons Nation on Nov 5, 2007 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If I may harp on the negative here, Flip Murray looked gawd awful. I only watched the first half (can’t sit at the bar drinking the entire night on a Sunday), but he looked determined to press. In 5 or 6 possessions, he took the ball down and was determined to put up a shot, even driving into three and four defenders.

I say give Afflalo some run subbing for Chauncey with Tayshaun running the point. Watching Murray stink it up in the first half last night showed how important Stuckey is. Either Murray needs to learn how to run the point, maintain momentum, and let the game come to him, or he needs to be the reserve point guard, rarely coming off the bench but kept as insurance in case Rip or Chauncey go down. As a starter, you can spend a little time shooting your way into the game, but off the bench trying to maintain a lead, it doesn’t work.

by Taco John on Nov 5, 2007 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am curious as to what the “+/-” column in the NBA.com statistics stands for and how do they come to that specific number?

by Adam on Nov 5, 2007 12:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Adam:

Say a player enters a game twice, in the first and second half. Say he plays five minute during each stretch. The score when he first enters the game is 25-20, his team is winning. If he leaves and the score is 35-28, then his team added two points during his time on the floor. So he gets +2. Then say in the second half, he comes in when the score is 67-63. When he leaves, his team is leading 78-75. His team lost a point on the lead, so he gets 1 for that stretch. For the game, he had a +2 and a -1, so his +/ for the game is +1.

Just do it for more minutes and more stints in the game.

by Taco John on Nov 5, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Observations from the game from here in Atlanta. The fact that our starting frontcourt could have 20 points TOTAL between the three players and we still win is a testament to our depth this year. Maximus’ 15 pts definately helped the cause of course. That kid is a beast unleashed. I’m interested to see if his overall game can develop over time ala Charles Barkely. He was just a big ball of energy initially and as we all know, his game rounded out quite nicely. Hayes was off in the first half but responded nicely in the 4th. I like the diversity of his game. Since he wasn’t hitting his three, he posted up and drove a few times. Flip just seemed out of control all game. Just forcing too much. I though Dice would avg about 10 pts as a starter, but it will be interesting to see if he gets enough shots. I imagine he needs 10-11 shot attempts in order to hit half and average 10 pts. The Dynamic Duo in the backcourt looked phenomenal. Sheed… enough with being jeolous because Dirk won the 3 pt contest. Let it go. Damn. He had 3 attempts in the first 5 mins of the darn game. But if he continues his defense at this pace, he merits strong consideration for Defensive Player of the Year. He and Max run that paint. Enter at your own risk. Dice chips in also. I liked our defensive intensity last night. Tay looked way too passive with Rip back. We need a game plan that can incorporate all of our weapons. Can’t wait to see Amir and Stuckey. Come oooon Thursday. I need another Pistons fix.

by E-Double on Nov 5, 2007 2:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya, Thursday seems like so long away. They need the time off though, they have another 3 games in 4 days again.

Flip Murray has been pretty good lately (minus last game), but he doesn’t pass enough to be point guard. Murray should never be point guard, he excels when someone else is at point so he can drive to the basket. Put someone else (who passes) at PG when Murray is on the floor so other players can get their open shots.

I like to mix up even amounts of driving to the basket and midrange jumpers with a little bit of 3’s. It breaks down and spreads out our opponents defense, not knowing where we are going to take our shot from. Stuckey drives to the basket too, but he’s not as selfish with the ball.

Tay looked good at backup PG, how many PG’s are tall enough to guard him? Because the size difference between Prince and most PG’s, someone would have to help the PG guarding Prince if he gets close to the basket. Which would leave a Piston with an open shot.

With how much we need Maxiell in close games, Amir is going to have a hard time getting minutes unless we are up a dozen plus points in the 4th. We almost have to many good players (I know that’s not really a problem), I always want a guy or two to get more minutes (Amir and Nazr last game), but there’s only so many minutes in a game. Once Stuckey is back there is going to be one hell of a fight for minutes.

by Matt C. on Nov 5, 2007 6:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Chauncey Obviously shows why he’s worth the money…kinnnnnda
www.clutch3.com

by The Spin on Nov 5, 2007 7:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I thought Amir would get Nazrs minutes during that game since we were going against such an athletic team.

Agree about Lue, put him on the bench and start Law ASAP.

by Fel on Nov 8, 2007 4:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hawks got my vote as a playoff possible.

They’re looking more sharp than Orlando or Miami or Washington, just off the random box scores and whatnot.

They may not collectively know what it takes for a run outside of guys like Mike Woodson and Joe Johnson, but the team has a lot of energy to blow through and get there.

by Sauce1977 on Nov 9, 2007 3:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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