The Amir Johnson Bandwagon is filling up
It doesn't seem like that long ago that Amir Johnson's coach ...
Saunders, like the rest of us, is mystified at how much attention Johnson is getting, both from the media and fans. "Thirteen years ago, I had Kevin Garnett and at that time he was the first guy to come into the league from high school in like 20 years. Amir has gotten more publicity this year, a guy who’s never played, than Garnett did that first year, and here’s a guy who was the first high school guy in 20 years."
... and Detroit's local media were dumping on him:
I don't know what some people expect from this kid, but he's not Magic Johnson. He's not ready to be in the regular rotation and contribute 25 to 30 minutes a game. He's not going to be ready all year, is my guess. This isn't the Pistons' version of Cameron Maybin. Nobody's ever said he was the greatest prospect ever to come through the pike. He was the 56th pick in the draft, taken right out of high school. He wasn't the first overall pick. He's an extremely athletic but extremely raw kid.
My how times have changed. Now, his coach loves him ...
"Amir has been excellent," Curry said. "From top to bottom, he's had the best summer and (training) camp out of everybody. We told Amir this summer, exactly what we wanted out of him, whether he started or came off the bench. He's been great."
... and the media loves Curry for starting him:
Amazing, isn't it, how adjusting one piece can make the entire puzzle come together.
Consider coach Michael Curry's decision to start Amir Johnson and bring Antonio McDyess off the bench. In one fell swoop, he:
• Enlivened his veteran starting unit with youthful vitality, speed and athleticism.
• Empowered Tayshaun Prince to play a larger role in the offense.
• Elevated McDyess from a No. 5 scoring option to a No. 1 or No. 2 option off the bench.
Regular readers of this site know where I stand on Amir's potential (potential All-Star at best, poor man's Tyson Chandler at worst), and because I've laid it on so thick in the past, I've actually tried to refrain from commenting on every little thing he did right (or panicking about every little thing he did wrong) in the preseason. But still, on the eve the season, it's a little surprising to read quotes like those above and see how many people are suddenly in Johnson's camp.
Of course, this is a double-edged sword. The good news is that he's guaranteed playing time for the first time in his career. The bad news? Now there's actually pressure to produce. Anything he brought to the table in the past was a pleasant surprise; now, he's expected to contribute nightly, playing hard while also playing smart.
I think he'll do just fine, but that doesn't mean there won't be growing pains. We saw this in the last three games of the preseason. In the sixth and seventh games, Johnson combined for 18 points, 13 boards, five blocks and just three fouls in 43 minutes. In the eighth game, he fouled out in just 15 minutes. (He also had seven boards, mind you, so it's not like it was a complete waste.)
In the meantime, try not to get too invested in the nightly peaks and valley's of Johnson's development, or the progress of the team as a whole. As Chauncey Billups recently explained, it's going to take some time for everything to come together.
"We aren't going to be a polished, well-oiled machine in the first 15 to 20 games," Billups said, "because we've got guys playing different roles and we have a new system.
"But we are going to be fine. We have a high basketball IQ here and we're going to figure it out, and we're going to be good. It's just going to take a little time."
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Soon there wont be enough spots for everyone. Oh well. I guess the Samb wagon is my next stop
by Matt Gibson on Oct 28, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
I like the dig on McCosky, I’m surprised you didn’t mention him by name! Maybe the job title forces diplomacy over a nice, forceful “I told you so.” :)
The best part of this Amir Johnson Is a Starter project? If it fails in 15 or 20 games, we’ve got Maxiell or McDyess to slide into that slot. Not a bad problem at all… Let’s see what this boy can do.
by Mike Payne on Oct 28, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
I’d be pretty surprised if Amir gets moved back to the bench. The only way I can see that happening is if he plays consistently bad…and I don’t see that happening. One thing to remember is that 8 of our first 12 games are on the road (including a west coast swing), so we may need a little more time then usual to fairly judge Amir, as well as the team.
I’m so happy the season is starting today!
by Jim on Oct 28, 2008 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
I’m happy to say that I may be wr-wr-wro-wrong. I’ve been an Amir slappy for awhile (hell, I was even screaming to start him over McDyess last year), but I was thoroughly disappointed with his Summer League games. And I did say the Pistons would take a step back, but maybe I’m wr-wr-wro-wrong.
Amir and Afflalo are making their counter-points… and I’m very, very, very happy to see it. This should be a fun season.
by Brad on Oct 28, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
I hope that Curry let’s Amir play through mistakes during the regular season in the same way that he has during the pre-season. And I’m sure there will be plenty of mistakes.
I’m know that there will still be lots of nights where Amir is foul-tastic. On those nights I’d like to see him benched after his 3rd foul in the first half, have him start the second half, and be benched again (obviously) after his 6th foul.
by Michael on Oct 28, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
All your Amir-ing made me take him in the office fantasy basketball draft last night. I’m hoping this works out; as the only girl in the league, I need to not be last.
by shed.girl on Oct 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
If Amir can stay on the court he will become a heck of a player.
Right now he is a better all around player when he is able to stay on the court than T. Chandler could ever dream of being.
Downside he he can learn how to stay on the court in Big Ben
Upside is low maintenance much higer scoring version of The Worm. Accoding to an interview this morning Amir now has 14 tatoos. By next year he could be ready for his first body or ear ring and hair dye job. LOL
by Mike on Oct 28, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
“Right now he is a better all around player when he is able to stay on the court than T. Chandler could ever dream of being.”
Madness. I’m not sure whether you’re just way overrating Amir or underrating Chandler, but this is crazy talk, and I’m a big Amir fan. His ceiling, at least for this season, is actually probably similar to Chandler’s… a big man who shoots a high percentage and can rebound (Amir’s probably a better shot blocker). Chandler can do this ~30-35 minutes a night, all with a low foul rate.
Long term, Amir probably has a higher ceiling since he has better offensive skills. Looking ahead to this season, though, I would be shocked (but thrilled) if Amir played like Chandler.
by Paul M on Oct 28, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with Paul M. It would be a really pleasant surprise to see Amir produce at a level that Tyson Chandler did last year, but he could do better in future years. I’ve done stat projections for the Pistons over the last 3-4 years based on per minute stats, and this year I’m pegging Amir at about 9ppg, 9rpg, 1.5apg, 3.5bpg and 1.5spg, all in about 25 min. It’ll all be highly variable; some games he’ll look like an All-Star, other games you won’t remember he played. But he’ll get more consistent as the year goes on.
BTW, from the 2009-10 season onward, with continued improvement on his offensive game, I see Amir as a Jermaine O’Neal/Marcus Camby hybrid.
by peterock on Oct 28, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
@MP: I didn’t want to single anyone out by name since (for the most part) all of Detroit’s mainstream media guys were down on Amir’s chances last year.
@Mike: Amir is certainly a better shot-blocker and grabs more steals than Tyson, but the fouls thing can’t be completely overlooked. Even as a young pup straight out of HS, Chandler’s per-36-minute foul rate never approached Amir’s. I think it’s something Amir will grow out of (like J.O’Neal did), but it’s worth pointing out.
@peterock: I wouldn’t taking a peek at your projections for this year — if you have some kind of spreadsheet or whatnot, hit me up on email: matt at detroitbadboys.
by Matt Watson on Oct 28, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
Peterock, if your Amir projections for this season are accurate I would be a very pleased Pistons fan.
by Michael on Oct 28, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
I think this is more of the detroit sports media kissing up to whoever is coach of the team. Don’t get me wrong, I thought amir needed playing time last year and I believe he will do very well this year.Its just that any time saunders was critized for anything, a story would come out how people didn’t understand how -stupid-lazy-lax-ect.-take your pick, that player was.It seemed like backstabbing then and it still does.My point is,curry seems to be a more upbeat, straightshooter kind of guy, so those kind of stories will follow.
Buy the way,I think Amir’s fouls will decline when he learns to get better positioning in the defensive sets and that will only come after considerable playing time,but it will come.
by rd on Oct 28, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
I hate all things Boston, especially the Celtics. However, watching their ring ceremony and how much it clearly meant to Paul Pierce, that was awesome. Total validation for why we spend so much time obsessing and rooting and living and dying with our team. I can’t wait until we’re watching the Pistons do that again.
Also, I think it might be really unfortunate for the league that LeBron sat there and watched that ceremony. He’s going to freaking kill it this year. That team scares me the most, I was originally cold on the Mo Williams deal, but I after a summer of thinking about it, I think he helps them. Bring it on.
by Other Matt on Oct 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
anyone know whats going on with the dbb fantasy league?
by Matt Gibson on Oct 28, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
@Matt Gibson,
Every day, posting a sidebar alley-oop about the fantasy league was on my list. It was my intention to put together a post to invite the community to create a second league. I set up the first league, but it quickly filled up with players from last year. I’m sorry if I missed you, I was a bit overwhelmed. I apologize for not getting people started on that second DBB league, it kind of fell through the cracks each day. It isnt too late to set up a second league here, however. Want some info on that?
by Mike Payne on Oct 28, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
Upside is low maintenance much higer scoring version of The Worm. Accoding to an interview this morning Amir now has 14 tatoos. By next year he could be ready for his first body or ear ring and hair dye job. LOL
- if he starts hanging out with Madonna or wearing dresses I’m officially off this bandwagon!
Also, i’m watching the CLE/BOS game and I’m torn because I hate both teams… i just keep praying for turnovers and technicals….
:(
by PistonsGirl4Life on Oct 28, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
MattGibson,
We can always start our own league since I was one of the players who was in the league last year that is not in the league this year.
by Boney on Oct 28, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
“Also, i’m watching the CLE/BOS game and I’m torn because I hate both teams… i just keep praying for turnovers and technicals….”
I was praying for injuries… :-|
by Diablo on Oct 28, 2008 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll join as long as theres enough people.
by Matt Gibson on Oct 28, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Other Matt,
I let out a sincere and emphatic groan when I saw PP crying. Now, instead of hearing people analyze basketball, I got to listen to garbage about how PP was so overcome with emotion, blah, blah, blah… for the whole game. I’m not saying it was premeditated or manufactured, but I definitely think PP was willingly stepping towards attention for dramatic effect.
At the beginning of the ceremony I was like “I don’t mind Boston winning it. Good for them. They earned it.” By the end I was like “For the love of GOD! As if Boston hasn’t had enough helpings of praise over the last year… Do they really need some sappy attention grabbing for the media to cling to?!?”
By the way, Boston doesn’t look so scary… and the Lakers look like the team to beat.
by Brad on Oct 29, 2008 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
can’t. f-ing. wait. for. tomorrow.
pleasant dreams, dbb-ers. may visions of amir dunks alley-oop through your collective heads.
see you in the game thread.
by JackDutch on Oct 29, 2008 2:54 AM EDT reply actions
I’m glad I didn’t see Pierce crying. If I did, I probably would have thrown the closest dog available at my new TV. Against any of our nemeses in the last five, six seasons (artest, ginobili included), Pierce and his shitty popped jersey are the most deserving of my angst. If we meet him in the playoffs, I want him on the fucking hardwood on every other play.
As far as ring ceremonies go, I only watch one team get their rings.
by Mike Payne on Oct 29, 2008 2:58 AM EDT reply actions

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