Dumars almost traded Tayshaun Prince … for Stephen Jackson?
Update from Chris McCosky's blog:
Here was Joe Dumars' response to a San Jose Mercury News blog about trade talks involving Tayshaun Prince and Stephen Jackson.
"A complete lie," he said.
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Yes, Stephen Jackson. As in, Stephen "jump in the Palace stands and start throwing haymakers" Jackson. I have a hard time wrapping my head around this, but that's the scuttlebutt put forth by Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News.
Some background: there's an on-going power struggle in Oakland between Warriors president Robert Rowell and GM Chris Mullin. Basically, Rowell has undermined Mullin at every turn, making top-down decisions that often contradict what Mullin is trying to accomplish. As Kawakami explains, that includes a potential deal involving Jackson:
Rowell’s personal intervention to make sure Stephen Jackson gets his maximum contract extension, even though SJax still had two years left on his deal and is 30 now.
The Jackson thing gets weirder and weirder: I’ve heard from three NBA sources that Chris Mullin and Pistons boss Joe Dumars had continuing, open-ended discussions about a possible deal that would’ve focused on SJax moving to Detroit and Tayshaun Prince coming to the Warriors.
(Side editorial note: TAYSHAUN PRINCE? One of the 25 best, most versatile players in the league? Who is two years younger than SJax? Nothing against SJax and what he means to this team… but… Tayshaun?)
To be clear: There was no agreement. No papers being drawn up. Just talks. Interested, directed talks. That doesn’t seem like a fair deal (for Detroit), so there would’ve had to be other players or picks involved.
But Dumars is still looking to change up the Pistons’ chemistry and Prince has three years and $30M left on his deal, so moving him for SJax’s two years and $15M would free up some future cash. (Bringing SJax back to the Palace at Auburn Hills would be… interesting.)
The two sides started talking last summer and agreed to keep talking up to February 2009 trade deadline, if nothing else occurred.
So what's occurred since then? Rowell went behind Mullin's back and started talking about a hefty extension with Jackson, which almost certainly would scare Dumars (and any other sane GM) off. Don't get me wrong, I like what Jackson brings to the table -- he's nearly as strong of a defender, he's versatile and more assertive on offense (sometimes to a fault -- he shot just 40% last year, largely the result of jacking up 501 threes).
Jackson averages about $7.4 million over this year and next; Prince averages about $10.3 over the next three. Obviously the Pistons would be getting another player and/or pick, but still, moving one of the most respected Pistons for a guy who literally went after fans sitting in the VIP seats at the Palace would take a LOT of PR spin. (That said, as a fan of the NBA, Tay would flourish playing Nellieball. I wouldn't want to see it, but I'm just saying.)
That said, take all of this with a huge grain of salt. Dumars talked to a lot of GMs last summer, so there's probably dozens of similar rumors that would be just as shocking were they ever to see the light of day. But still ... wow.
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hmmmm truthfully all the Palace stuff aside, I think we need a more assertive SF then Tayshaun, I mean if he can truly step his game up this season then forget about it. But hes largely overated as a defneder now and I would say he and Jackson are very close defensively plus the fact thathe costs less and would free up space I think it owuld have been very interesting. But I’m really banking on Tayshaun to step it up offensively this year.
by Rban on Oct 29, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d only do it if Tay agreed to go in the stands in oakland and ruff some people up, compton style.
by Craig on Oct 29, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tay’s too adorable to ruff people up. He’d just talk trash to ’em out of the side of his mouth… quietly.
by Rob G on Oct 29, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tayshaun is a lot better defender than Steven Jackson. Prince has an amazingly low foul rate, which means he doesn’t give up easy points via free throws. Jackson is a chucker that would be assertive, but probably too assertive.
by Birdman on Oct 29, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheed AND Jackson? That would be well over our crazy quotient.
by Garrett on Oct 29, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know where i can find a live online feed of the game tonight? I really want to watch, but no longer live inthe great state of MI…
by Calvinsgotajob on Oct 29, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This trade better never see the light of day. I generally try to be pragmatic about personnel issues (read: not a homer). And I can also be very hard on Tay at times. But he’s just much better than Jackson. Unless that pick was next year’s first rounder unprotected (thinking there’s no way that it was) then screw this.
by Forty on Oct 29, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to have a live chat/blog for tonight’s game?
by Diablo on Oct 29, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just because Stephen Jackson and Tayshaun Prince were at the center of a trade doesn’t mean that there wasn’t more to the trade. It could be that Dumars was looking to get another player, draft picks, or what have you. Talks probably stalled because GS didn’t have the right pieces to compensate for the talent differential.
That said, that max for Stephen Jackson? Robert Rowell should be fired immediately.
by kevin s. on Oct 29, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There must be something I’m missing because I would of loved for this trade to have gone through. As much as I love Tay, he isn’t a
better offensive player than Jackson, who’s the best player on a 49
win team. The warriors wouldn’t of even made the playoffs without him in 07 and most certaintly wouldn’t of beat the mavs. I can understand how you wouldn’t want the controversy, but we didn’t win the ship until we traded for sheed. If we’re still holding a grudge from the fight, we need to forgive and forget.
I personally feel that Prince is an overated 1 on 1 defensive player. The last 3 conference finals we’ve fell short to Wade, LeBron and Pierce (to be fair Pierce didn’t win singlehandidly, he didn’t get shut down though). I love Tay’s value to the team but i think that we’re wrong when we say he’s underated. He’s the most overrated as an underrated player in the league.
I would of loved to have Jackson for Tay, but that’s just my opinion.
by joe on Oct 29, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson was probably the fourth best player on GS last year. Harrington was more efficient, but played fewer minutes. The only thing Jackson is much better than Prince at is chucking 3s.
by Paul M on Oct 30, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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