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I go to school overseas.

Is there a link for a live stream of this game?

+1 to Kwame Brown for “I’ve got a new girlfriend”

nvm, thanks for the link Tim

Shrug, Steve Smith thinks Washington needs to attack Amir Johnson. Isn’t that what the French thought about Waterloo? Or the Japanese about Midway? Good luck chumps.

Indy up by 10 over the c’s and granger has 11 through 1 quarter, for the “OMG indy sucks and we didn’t win by 40” crowd

man two of amir’s three fouls were REALLY soft calls

The starters are playing with a lot of energy and executing well on offense…I hope this is a trend that continues this year.

Man, we are playing awesome

I think the real change is visible on defense. They are so locked in on the rotations and switches. No easy ones. Makes the offense so much easier.

They were on track for a 40 point 1st quarter. Wow.

The early returns to the kwame signing are uninspiring…shrug, we got him for perkins i think

Weird quarter, we shot and rebounded very well, but turned the ball over a ton

Watching Kwame makes me miss Flip Murray.

Tramps betta watch out, cuz Sheed is bangin’

Well Kwame’s had a great second quarter so far…

U can see why he got taken #1. What a body – he’s ridiculously agile for a guy his size. He just makes so many unskilled plays.

Kwame is the new Stuckey.

Meh, that’s not a flagrant…it’s a physical game

I’ve said this before…I really like Stuckey in the post.

Where’s the call there, Stuck got mugged.

Only a 17 point lead? I am disappointed. We should be winning by at least 44 at this point. My expectations are reasonable.

yeah kevin, i mean, arenas is out. wtf?

I might be a little behind on this cuz I’m Tivoing, but I gotta say it: where the hell did Kwame learn to drive the lane like that?

Wow, I get up to get a drink and this happens? I don’t mean to be negative, but this is probably the worst Piston squad in history. If only we had an inside presence.

Dalembert for Rasheed and Billups?

this is going downhill fast.

I could do without all the turns, come on guys

“Dalembert for Rasheed and Billups?”

Like Philly would do that deal.

That said. I could do without the passing up open jumpers in favor of contested drives.

We look like we got slapped in the mouth

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Is that 14 turnovers? Or 15?

Make a bakery joke, maybe?

John W. Davis

What is you pedigree to be so quip? Why blog your is worthiness? Is we visit and find basketball magic? Why does ass expect people to go visit blog?

You knew Sheed was coming back with that

I vote Kevin to be the new HB!

Damn you Etan lol

Nice Block by Sheed. Come on Amir!

We’re killing them on the glass. I like the pace we’re playing at tonight.

Love the fact that Fabio has moved up in our rotation.

Two straight games where Dyees is our worst player….
Two straight games we’re letting a flawed team hang around too long…

Look guys I’m trying to love this but put it in gear, and Dyees… STOP SHOOTING FROM 15-20 FEET OUT until like, December damnit… if you can’t find your range, REAL GAMES aren’t the place to keep praticing…

(also note this does not mean i think we should trade Rasheed Wallace for Al Harrington, just incase anyone is dumb enough to have trouble telling the difference between wishing we were playing better and wishing I was a Laker’s fan)….

OT: TrueHoop (SLAM?) had a funny thing about Drew Gooden being known as ‘Recede Wallace’ because of his hairline. Now back to the game…

Why on Earth was Walter Herrmann buried on our bench last year?

I’m watching this game on a DC station, and the announcers are harping on “artificial crowd noise” in the Palace. Is that true? Or are the Wiz announcers just goofballs?

Rob, I’ve been to a lot of Pistons games and I’ve never heard us pipe in artificial crowd noise. Sound effects, sure, but not artificial crowd noise a la the Indianapolis Colts.

OM: Just a guess but clearly Flip kinda sucked. I’ll admit to not being sure Herrmann was good enough to be a starter/important backup but just watching him you know, ACTUALLY TRY FOR LOOSE BALLS AND TIP INS and I’m unsure why Jarvis Hayes PLAYED AT ALL once we traded for Walter…

Clearly Fabio got a raw deal from The Mullet…. probably a hair jealousy issue…

I’m such a dumbass. I was looking at the Mavericks to see how Flip was running his rotation this year. That’s a different former Pistons coach.

Other Matt: thank you. I haven’t actually been to the Palace (since I’ve been a MI ex-pat for about 7 years now) but I was pretty sure they didn’t need to pipe in sounds. What the hell is wrong with these DC guys? The Verizon Center sure could use fake crowd sounds, though…

I hate the way this game is being officiated. Get the f out of the way zebras.

I love the crunch time minutes for Herrmann. That was a HUGE basket.

Rip gets less respect than from the refs than anyone I’ve seen when it comes to getting calls on a drive to the basket. I think it inflates his turnover numbers.

I think I am immediately trading for Hermann in my sportingnews fantasy league.

I’m seriously attending a Raptors game dressed as Herrmann.

There is some kind of bizarro lag on NBA.com. I need to find a good place to follow the games online. I have this netbook with only a 600 pixel high screen so it’s messed up on ESPN.

Herrmann is the man. I think we have our backup SF.

PG4L, thoughts on Herrmann now?

Yeah, my last post bears repeating. Go Herrmann!

This Walter Hermann knows how to play this game of basketball

Herrmann could be like Toni Kukoc minus some passing, plus some defense.

HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER! HERRMANNSTER!

Goddamn, JMax’s footwork is getting better and better.

Watch the game stream here:

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Dude, the place looks real empty from that sky-cam shot on NBA TV.

Walter Herrmann is the new sexy

I’m going to grow my hair out.

OM, it was a better close out and Walter and Ra were both EXCELLENT down the stretch…

Otoh I still don’t understand why Dyees is shooting from so far out and I’m not happy it was still a game until the back two mins…

but really you’ll take a win and lets be fair, they were much better right AFTER my comment than before it…

I’ll take it, i just wish they wouldn’t make it taste so bad…

Tim – Thanks for the Veetle link.

And I’m going to grow my hands out.

Also, Rasheed 17 and 12 with 6 blocks! Damn boy.

Any theories on that last part of the first half? Curry predicted that there would be turnovers this year, but goddamn.

PG4L, not to bring up a sore subject, but you have to remember that we’re 2 games into the Michael Curry era. As a Michigan fan, you should be especially cognizant that a coaching change can be an incredibly difficult thing to endure. That’s the prism I’m looking at the first half of our regular season through. Things are pretty different this year, I just hope Curry doesn’t give our guys enough rope to hang themselves with. I have faith, though.

Again, we matched the spread with more than 1/3 of our minutes coming from the bench. Considering Amir was able to earn a foul with his eyeball, I am happy.

I stopped by DBB just to say-Walter Herrmann was AWESOME! Nice to see the coach going with the hot hand. Would’ve never happened under Flip.

Yes, I will continue to bash Flipper. These are the things that can make a difference with this group. I hope it continues.

Finger-roll?

Yes, please!

In 23 minutes Herrmann had 16 points, on 6/9 shooting, 3/4 3pt, 7 rbds, 4 assists, 1 steal, and 0 zero turnovers. Plus he played some pretty good defense. Actually the whole bench played pretty well…55 points on 22/34 shooting!

I thought the Wizards hit some tough shots, but .51 fg% is too high. It’s only 2 games but both opponents have shot 50% of higher…I can’t see that continuing with our track record on defense.

• “zero”

Also, I am the first person to kill enthusiasm on the basis of sample size, but this is Walt’s stat line for the year:

Minutes: 39
Points: 26
Rebound: 9
Assists: 4
FG%: 67 (!)
3P%: 70% (!!)
TO: 0 (!!!)

If Hollinger were to run his stats, I wouldn’t be surprised if Fabio led the league right now. Curry would do well to see what we have here. Mediocre players don’t do what he did the last two games. Ever.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008-09 Sixth Man of the Year, Walter Herrmann!?

PistonsGirl4Life, thank you for shedding light on another issue I had with Flip. My man was well into 7 figures and continued to sport a straight up mullet. Just not acceptable.

Walter, thank you for justifying my opinion of you. I knew you had it in you.

80 responses so far. DBB is back again!

Looks like the Pacers are a tougher team than we thought. Down goes Celtics! Down Goes Celtics!

OM, I’m refusing to discuss the RichRod Era with you. Seriously. I basically decided I wouldn’t talk about schools that lose to MAC teams, even if those schools were personally important to me. That aside, you’re STILL smoking that patience pipe? Wow man….

As for the game, for sure things are going to take time which is why I said “I’ll take it”… I’m not upset at the performance either way, just noticing a couple trends that I’d really rather not continue. Like yourself, I firmly expect this to improve.

Fabio was at his best at exactly the right time. The numbers don’t impress me, back to back offensive boards when we were struggling to make something happen followed by a late dagger 3 impressed me. I’m not going to bet he can keep that up all season, but if he’s THAT smart basketball wise and has that kinda motor… wow, we might have really lucked out here…

U2S… absolutely man, terrible life choices like THAT haircut should have been a dead GIVEAWAY that the man wasn’t any good… also the whole “Never winning anything despite having Kevin Garnett for like 7 years” bit probably shoulda registered too……

whoever was calling for Sheed and Chauncey fro Dalembert, theres no way id want that. Rasheed is one of the most underated defenders in the league Sammy D is solid but hes not a big time player.

I’m preaching patience with the Pistons. I said nothing about the Wolverines except that that’s an example of a coaching change going horribly wrong, and we’d be wise to consider that while watching the early season Pistons. I was clearly wrong about this season for the Wolverines. What do you want me to say? I drank the kool-aid, turns out it was laced with hemlock. Rod’s a good coach, he’s won everywhere. Does that excuse him for this year and turning in the worst coaching job I’ve ever seen? Hell no. Consider this my mea culpa.

As far as the Pistons go, if we can win games while figuring out the new regime, that’s nothing but a positive. I’m pleased with the first couple of games. I expect us to get better as the year goes on, and am curious and excited to watch us the first half of this year.

@PG4L:
“wow, we might have really lucked out here…”

There is nothing lucky about it, this was a SOLID pickup from Joe D., but it didn’t mature until we had a coach brave enough to give Herrmann what he deserves: minutes.

Rban, that would have been me. It was a joke (kind of a jerk move too, as it’s sort of teasing someone who isn’t here these days).

Pg4L – the numbers don’t impress you? He had 16 pts on 9 shots, 7 boards, 4 assists, and no turnovers…in just 23 minutes. That’s completely, utterly, and totally sick. That some of it came late in the game is fun, but you’d take that sort of efficiency first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, or fourth quarter…

Also, isn’t it funny that we got Herrmann as a throwaway in a “player for cap flexibility deal?” I mean, the trade was a heist simply for getting us out of Nazr’s contract. That we took on all one-year deals and got the best player in said deal…let’s just say Michael Jordan should never return Joe’s phone calls.

Also I just marvel at how consistently hilarious Shaq is. NBA fans are going to miss him. I hope and pray he ends up on TNT with Charles and Kenny.

“I haven’t really seen him play much,” Shaq said of Oden, which for once makes O’Neal just like the rest of us. “He looks like a pretty skilled defensive player … but he’s got a long way to go to get the shogun level. By the time he gets to the shogun level, I’ll be long gone.”

Already decided what I’m going as for halloween next year as well as what I will be dressing up as when the Pistons come out to play the Trailblazers in February…Walter Herrmann.

Going to buy a Herrmann jersey soon, blonde wig, and find some extra big fake hands. gonna be SWEET!

Of course I’ll never be able to emulate his style, but I can only hope to try.

@Forty:
“Rban, that would have been me. It was a joke (kind of a jerk move too, as it’s sort of teasing someone who isn’t here these days).”

I Lol’d. And he is here these days…

“Also, isn’t it funny that we got Herrmann as a throwaway in a "player for cap flexibility deal?" I mean, the trade was a heist simply for getting us out of Nazr’s contract.”

I’m with you, Joe knew precisely what he was doing. I’ve been waiting for Walter to get his chance for FAR too long, and I’m sure Joe has as well. Thank god for Michael Curry. Walter’s a goofy looking motherfucker, but we’ve had ZERO reason to truly complain about the backup 3 spot since Dec. 14th of last year.

I watched the game and loved it… Sheed finally had a very nice game on both sides of the floor this time… and of course… herrmmann… what a greaaaaat game… ive been a fan of his ever since he got here and to actually he see him play meaningful minutes and make the most of them is wow… just wow

oh and boston got killed by indiana tonite, so we shouldnt feel so bad that indiana made it a close game against us

@James B.:
you sure you won’t wear a mink coat over that jersey?
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2008-01-02/on-making-fun-of-herrmann-and-sitting-behind-mahorn/

MP – we agree too much, it’s no fun :)

I have long preferred Herrmann to Hayes. What Walter did in his rookie year with Charlotte was amazing. Throwing up a per 40 of 18 6 and 1 with just 1.5 TO on 53% FG (and 46% 3pt!!) over a sample spanning 936 minutes is excellent. His foul rate was also very good, which is impressive since he’s a plus defender IMHO. It never made sense to me that he got his minutes cut the following year.

He’s kind of a junk player – he does goofy stuff palming the ball and plays D like a spaz. That can tend to work against your perception in the league. But he’s also a low-mistake player who defends well and shoots a great percentage. I think he, Maxiell, and Stuckey should be our key reserves, with Afflalo and McDyess playing a bit less, and Brown playing very situationally…

I do want to see how Herrmann handles Pierce and LeBron in extended defensive minutes. It would be nice if those matchups worked well for him, since we need to go through those two teams. Posey on LeBron was a non-trivial part of Boston’s success last year IMO – backup sf is an important position in the East.

Also don’t look now but we have the highest scoring offense in the NBA http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings

It was huge performance Walter Herrmann coming in from the bench. I’m happy to see that he is finally being given a shot by the Pistons.

I wish we had him with us during Beijing. But his decision to stay back has paid dividend for him after all.

All his hard work and effort to win himself a place in Pistons roster is fullfill. I hope the new coach will keep this up.

I’m hoping to see his contribution will help the franchise is someways to regain back their dominance in the East.

What is thought about his performance tonight, kindly share with us…

http://mundoalbiceleste.blogspot.com/2008/11/nba-news-herrmann-helps-pistons-win.html

@Forty:
“I do want to see how Herrmann handles Pierce and LeBron in extended defensive minutes.”

My sentiments precisely. It might be opposite common thinking to suggest that a no-name bench player could contain an all star, but I’d like to see just how confident Michael Curry is in this bench.

Not that Dirk’s game is comparable to Pierce or Lebron, but all of us Herrmann lovers remember the game against the Mavs last season where Herrmann single-handedly locked down Dirk while he was on the floor with his herky-jerky spaz defense.

Point being, sometimes a player like Herrmann messes with players because he has atypical defensive tendencies which can work. The one thing he needs to be better on is closing in on a jump shooter. There were a few times where Caron Butler took a strong dribble right at him and pulled up. Walter was left on his back foot and couldn’t close out on the jump shot enough to really contest the shot. I’d like to see him get lower on d and take advantage of his baseball mitt hands in the passing lane.

I say we trade Rasheed and Billups for Dalembert and we trade Amir, Maxey and Stuckey for Cuttino Mobley and Chris Kaman

Championship contenders!

/acting like the only team that has any talent in the league is the Clippers

I’m pretty certain the refs won’t let Herrmann anywhere near LeBron.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

There ya have it, boys. Fabio’s #1 in the whole league in PER.

Let me be the first to start it.

MVP! MVP! MVP!

I’m the fan, and Flip’s the professional, but I always wondered why certain players would get the nod over others. Like Mo Evans over DDB fav Delfino, or Jarvis over Walter. Then again, I always thought Flip was a claimer when it came to running the team.

Walter got some burn later in the playoffs last year, because Flip really had no choice but to play him. The reason he isn’t starting is IMHO he’s a half step too slow in comparison to other NBA 3s. He’s obviously got talent and game otherwise.

I’m liking MC’s approach-very similar to San Antonio’s…and the Bad Boys-play 10-11 deep if you can.

As for the RichRod era…never would have happened on my watch. My real question is what did Bill Martin do to become AD? Don Canham, or even Bo, he’s not. The real problem with RichRod is chemistry…the current players seem like they don’t want to play for him. OTOH, he is getting the recruits from what I read, and he’s had success in the past. Also, selling UM to a bluechipper is pretty easy. But he’s never impressed me like some other coaches, and like I said, I wonder about Martin. 2-7? Wow…

Gogol – second highest Pistons PER: JMAX!

At this point it’s less a question of Walter holding his pace and more a question of what can Kobe and LeBron realistically do to catch him? We’re already 2.4% through the season. If they’re not careful, he’s just going to run away with it. And with us on pace to go 82-0, you know he’s going to command media attention.

Forty: +1

It’s great to see the Herrmannator performing well. But, we’ll have to reserve judgement until the second half of the year. My worry is that team’s will figure him out because he seems to have only a few go-to moves.

I watched the replay of the Pistons game today and I must say..

If Herrmann was guarding me, I’d want to punch him right in his well moisturized face.. he flails his arms around, blond hair flying around.. jesus

he’s like a rich man’s Andres Nocioni (and that’s only because he’s white… we gotta do like ESPN does and only compare the whiteys with the whiteys)

Forty, QD, Boney: =)) =)) in yahoo emoticon speak….

I hope I don’t have an accident in the car thinking of “rich man’s Andres Nocioni”

i think i was one of the first people to be preaching the herrmann gospel last year. i am so glad to see that walter is feeling confident and that he is finally getting the minutes he deserves.

im trying not to jump to any conclusions- it’s still early in the season. but so far he’s played very well in both the season’s first and second game.

boney- funny. but both walter herrmann and andres nocioni are hispanic, not “white”, since they are both from argentina.

just because you are from argentina doesn’t mean you have to be hispanic. Plenty of Europeans moved to the Americas throughout history…

not to bring politics into basketball, but it looks like people are trying to link tayshaun to obama…sounds reasonable enough…lol

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/this_is_the_gamechanger/

Pistonian,

Last time I checked, he has the same alabaster skin that I have. To non-whiteys, he’s a whitey.

I’ve been a fan of Herrmann since he began putting up numbers in Charlotte. I thought Brezec and Herrmann could’ve played some minutes last season, and I thought that Detroit won that trade easily.

Voting Walter Herrmann for 6th Man of the Year.

I told you guys, he was impressive during the Pistons’ open practice and so far, he hasn’t disappointed. :D

White, eurotrash, hispanic, whatever….I loves me some Fabio.

I actually think that you could consider Walter to be White and Hispanic. He’s Hispanic because he comes from a Spanish speaking country that was formerly ruled by Spain. He’s white because, well, he looks white. Actually, most people in Argentina consider themselves to be white (indigenous peoples only account for 1% of population). Discrimination against darker colored individuals is also a substantial problem throughout South America.

@James B.:
Yet another reason to vote Obama on Tuesday the 4th. Maybe Obama will name Tay as his Secretary of Defense? Hoops fan or not, “Get that shit outta here, Kim Jung Il!”

We don’t need missile defense, we have Tayshaun.

@Pistonian Revolution:
its true, its common for sports media to compare folks of color to folks of the same color. here on dbb, we only see the colors red, white and royal blue, otherwise it doesn’t matter to us one bit. fortunately, we don’t see hispanic, african, anglo, balkan, or asian, we see point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward and center. fuck whatcha heard!