Chauncey for Iverson doesn’t make sense
by Matt W on Nov 3, 2008 3:50 AM CST
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(FYI, this was written early, early in the morning, before we received apparent confirmation that yes, it's probably happening)
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From the same Boston Globe article by Marc Spears as the amusing Rip Hamilton/Ray Allen manicure story below came this random rumor:
NBA sources said the Nuggets have inquired about obtaining Denver native Chauncey Billups from the Pistons for Allen Iverson. Because of Iverson's lucrative contract ($20.8 million) it would take more than Billups ($11 million), though.
I wish I could just ignore this, but since I'm absolutely positive that it's going to get some play on the talk radio circuit, I figured some of you might be curious about my take. Here goes:
- Remember the context. It's a two-sentence, unsourced rumor tacked onto the end of a nearly 1,600-world column. Also, the fact that it's appearing in the Boston Globe, of all places, suggests Spears' uncited sources aren't located in Denver's or Detroit's front office.
- Even if the rumor is true, who cares? All the rumor says is that Denver wants Billups and is willing to give up AI. Well, guess what, Denver is probably dangling AI to 28 other teams in the league, as well. He's 33 years old, expensive as hell and is just months away from free agency.
- Speaking of which, why would the Pistons trade Billups, who's under contract for three years after this one, for AI, who's primed to walk this summer? I know the front office (and all of us, really) is big on Rodney Stuckey, but don't forget that Rip Hamilton has the option of walking this summer, too. There are no sacred cows on this roster, but Dumars' isn't so short-sighted as to risk losing both halves of his All-Star backcourt in exchange for what basically amounts to cap space.
I could go on, but really, I've already given it more attention than it deserves. Iverson and Dumars will always be linked (don't forget, AI was almost a Piston were it not for a Matt Geiger trade kicker) but that ship has sailed.
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I wouldn’t say the Iverson ship has sailed. I could see him signing with the Pistons for the MLE as a free agent in ‘09 and coming off the bench as instant offense. That, of course, assumes that the Pistons don’t have 3 all-star caliber guards ahead of him.
It’s a stupid rumor. If you are going to speculate about $20 million dollar players coming to the Pistons good luck finding a salary match in Detroit. You have to send a pu-pu platter of 1) one all-star or Olympian and 2) two quality young players to get one older and/or injury prone all-star back. Some deal. I’m a huge T-Mac fan but the reality is you have to trade one starter and half the bench to get him which is a bad trade for Detroit. The same goes for the Iverson deal, only more so.
Why not just say the Pistons are talking about trading Rip & McDyess for Vince Carter and Josh Boone. Who says that? Nobody, I just made it up.
by joejoejoe on Nov 3, 2008 6:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The mere ideal of trading a declining all star for another all star and pieces – especially when the pieces are as good as the Pistons have – can only cause the discussion to devolve into first grade adjectives.
Clearly though, something is up with Denver. They need to do something to shake up their team and could use a guy like Chauncey. Unfortunately they don’t have anyone Detroit wants or needs and Detroit’s team is so stacked it wouldn’t make any sense to make a trade now. So Denver will have to shop someplace else or involve another team to entice Detroit to give up Chauncey.
This has the potential to be interesting but I just can’t see Detroit making a move. But if nothing happens I could see this having implications in the coming off season if Detroit gets bounced in the second round and Denver doesn’t make the playoffs.
by ShawninDC on Nov 3, 2008 8:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only appealing player in Denver (to me, at least) is J.R. Smith. Now before you go off saying he can’t play defense and takes bad shots, remember that this is a guy who puts up a good 12 points per game in only 20 minutes off the bench: aka instant offense. At this point, the Pistons don’t need more defensive stalwarts, they need offensive threats (Smith averages 17 points in 35 minutes so far this season).
Don’t forget, he is also a human highlight reel capable of changing momentum with a thunderous dunk or long three-ball; a bench player with that ability is exactly what the Pistons lack. Stuckey is a future all-star, sure, but Smith is a game-changer, and that is what Dumars should look for now (although he may have found it with Walter Herrmann).
by El Capitan on Nov 3, 2008 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stephen A. is talking like it’s actually going down. This is absolutely crazy.
by LawyerBoy on Nov 3, 2008 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pistons fans forget one very important ingredient when it comes to talk about trading Mr. Big Shot.
They neglect to talk about the fact that this is still Mr. D’s team and he would veto any trade of Mr. Big Shot.
Why>
Because not only is Mr. Big Shot still the leader of the team but just as importantly Mr. Big Shot is sn exemplary citizen.
Chauncey Billups Wins J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award
Posted May 5 2008 2:03PM
NEW YORK, May 5, 2008 – Chauncey Billups of the Detroit Pistons is the 2007-08 recipient of the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award presented annually by the Professional Basketball Writers Association. The award is named for the second commissioner of the league and honors an NBA player or coach for outstanding service and dedication to the community.
Billups won the award for his charity work in Detroit and his hometown of Denver.
by Mike on Nov 3, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Blakley says that the Pistons have traded Billups and McDyess for Inverson.
Pistons to trade Billups, McDyess for Nuggets’ Iverson
by A. Sherrod Blakely
Monday November 03, 2008, 11:09 AM
AP PhotosChauncey Billups is going home. Detroit agrees to trade the team leader for the Denver Nuggets’ Allen Iverson.
Ed. Note: MLive Pistons Insider A. Sherrod Blakely is away from his computer, but called in this breaking news:
The Detroit Pistons have reached a tentative agreement to trade Chauncey Billups and Antonio McDyess to the Denver Nuggets for Allen Iverson. Neither player was at this morning’s shoot-around. Team officials said that more information would be forthcoming later today.
Come back to MLive.com for the latest news.
by Mike on Nov 3, 2008 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That trade leaves the Pistons with one player who can rebound, Amir and he spends more time in foul trouble than he does on the court.
If this deal actaully is going down it would be a disaster.
It could be that Billups and MC don’t get along.
McDyess was a star in Denver before his injury.
A gret deal for Denver a disaster for the Pistons.
by Mike on Nov 3, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE
Practice? We’re talking about practice, man.
by Justin on Nov 3, 2008 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand this. Iverson is great and all, but he’s like a black hole. You have to build a team around him. Are we just clearing cap-space? This makes no sense…
by Tiny on Nov 3, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I need to digest this for a bit…there’s so many implications with this trade for this year and the future.
by Jim on Nov 3, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure if i feel that way about it. We all have great billups love, but could we see him aging? yes. His game is slowing down. Even this year you could see it. If dumars goal is getting a championship Ill take a flyer year of a super motivated (albeit old himself) AI and then see what we can do with a ton of cap space next summer.
just something to consider.
by a piston on Nov 3, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher just said it’s Chauncey, Antonio and Chiek Samb for AI.
by Justin on Nov 3, 2008 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
WXYZ is reporting that it also includes Samb.
by Mike C on Nov 3, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The report is that Dyess will get bought out by Denver and then return to the Pistons after the 30 day time period.
by Mike on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I for one and glad to get rid of reggie miller errr. big shot. Always wanting to be a hero. Bad Boys go for the jugular!!!!
by O-town general on Nov 3, 2008 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol. i read this post last night and remember disagreeing with every point. and i said, ‘i bet i know more than this guy, i bet this trade goes through’, and sure enough, bam. and if you don’t love this trade, you may be crazy. our best chance at at a run since 04.
by dan on Nov 3, 2008 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This trade sets us up well for both the present and the future. The pistons were not a good enough team to win the title before this trade, and im not sure they are now, but they got a go-to scorer and a slasher as well as getting an insane amount of cap space for 09-10 FA’s. There are alot of big names out there, and with AI’s and sheeds contracts coming off the books next year, the pistons could offer a MAX contract to up to 2 players in the next two years. granted, anything could happen in that time, but this move gives us options.
by Jonathan on Nov 3, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, this feels like a million years ago, doesn’t it?
by Gogol on Nov 3, 2008 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree having two slasher on the court at the same time AI and STUCKEY with Rip, Tay and/or Sheed driftin along the three with Amir or Max gobbling up anything that doesn’t go in VERY NICE!!!! Also I hope Dice is back with us as previosly stated. ICE FOR DICE!!!!
by O-town general on Nov 3, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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