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Ex-Pistons in the Holy Land

I'm not ignoring this team's apparent downward spiral, I swear; I just haven't had time since last night to put thoughts to pixels. In the meantime, here's DBB reader Ohad, who follows his favorite team from 6,000 miles away, with news about some former Pistons currently playing in Israel. -- MW

By Ohad Ilovich

A few ex-Pistons (Carlos Arroyo, Rodney White both playing for Macabi Tel Aviv) and one potential piston (Deron Washington – Hapoel Holon) have migrated to Israel to play some professional basketball. I apologize in advance that I know very little about Washington but he plays for a rival team and I can't watch a basketball game for too long if I'm not cheering for one of the teams …

Rodney White – Oh Rodney, Rodney. This guy was very active in the start of the pre-season. He did the biggest mistake he could, though. He hogged the ball. That might work well for some NBA superstars, but in Europe you play team ball or you don't play at all. That is exactly what happened to him since he saw zero minutes from the start of the season until Macabi replaced their coach. The new coach gave him one chance in a Euroleague game and the next day he was on a plane back to the US. On the surface that might not seem like too many chances, but in our league you get to practice 3-4 times a week and I'm guessing he didn't impress during practice either.

Bottom line – Getting 30.5 ppg, 7.8 rpg and 2.8 apg in the South American league doesn't mean you can play ball in Europe. Plenty of players have made the transition but players who play for themselves don't stand a chance.

Carlos Arroyo – If you want to let the numbers do the talking than Carlos is 1st in points, assists and steals per game and 3rd in rpg. Those are good numbers and he's so important the team that when he's off the court you can see the team shifting one gear down. But -- and it's a big but -- Macabi was looking for a leader on the court. They wanted a good point guard to distribute the ball well and make good decisions when closing out games. What they're doing now is letting the Israeli shooting guard playing next to Arroyo play point while Carlos is playing shooting guard about half of the time. There have also been a couple of occasions where he made crucial mistakes in the end of important games and a "sore back" incident where the commentators made it obvious that his "claims" of an aching back were minor and he should have played instead of sitting out the game.

Bottom line – a very good player who could and should do more than just shoot the ball well.

Deron Washington – Holon has changed its coach and all but one of its players during the summer and this has caused the boat to rock quite a bit. Things are more or less looking as good as they used to for Washington. In the start of the season he got to do more or less whatever he wanted. A short losing streak catalyzed the signing of Detroit native Brian Tolbert who might not post big numbers but is a definite veteran presence in the team. Washington is also playing next to a volume shooter like Luis Flores who's really having a good season. Washington's stats have gone to 3rd in ppg, 3rd in rpg and 1st in spg so in this regard he is doing fine but he isn't as stable as you'd wish. He's getting games where he scores 19 or 20 points (with half of them coming from the line) and then the week after he's posting 2 or 6 points. Another problem is his tendency to get into foul trouble. Washington tends to finish almost every game with 4 fouls (In Europe you only get 5 per game, remember?) and is 2nd on the team in fpg. As expected, Deron is playing very athletically and making a lot of nice dunks and moves but that's not helping his team win any more games.

Bottom line – an athletic player with a lot of energy and a few instabilities you come to expect from a young player.

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wow diaw and bell for jason richardson, hell of a trade for suns…

by altan on Dec 10, 2008 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

Great post Ohad.

Can you share a few thoughts on how Will Bynum looks this year compared to how he looked playing for Maccabi Tel Aviv? It seems like Bynum’s game is better suited for the NBA than it was for Euro ball.

by joejoejoe on Dec 10, 2008 10:52 PM CST reply actions  

@JJJ: Will seems to be playing much better for the pistons than he did for macabi. I’m saying this despite his few minutes but mainly because of them.
i think what is working for him is:
1) In europe you only play one euroleague game per week which means you come very prepared for the game. they watch a ton of movies and study each player for weaknesses. In the NBA with it’s 2-3 games a week with flights and all that’s not possible. This combined with will being a 3rd stringer and a new player means the teams haven’t learned him yet. once they figure him out (for example he likes to penetrate all the way or shoot the three but not to penetrate halfway and finish with a jumpshot)
2) will is probably under a lot less pressure now that he isn’t expected to lead the team
3) Defense is europe is a lot tougher since they tend to let things slide a little more. bynum used to run into a forest of hands when he penetrated in the euroleague which would disturb his layups
so yeah he’s doing better. if he will be asked to take a bigger role at point i think it would look worse…

by ohad on Dec 11, 2008 2:23 AM CST reply actions  

Good timing on this one….
In the israeli papers it was published today that (freely translated):

George David, pistons director of player personnel, arrived this morning to israel and will follow the development of deron washington in hapoel holon. the pistons are in touch regularly with coach dani franko regarding the player and he is expected to play in the coming las vegas summer camp for the pistons.

by ohad on Dec 11, 2008 3:59 AM CST reply actions  

I just had to respond about Will Bynum. I think the Pistons not giving him more time is affecting Will’s style of play. Playing 3 or 4 minutes a game is not allowing him to warm up on the floor. In Israel Will played( for the most part) the entire game and he was explosive most of the time. I also think he is under a lot more pressure because in the few minutes Curry lets him play he is expected to make “no” mistakes or else it’s back to the bench. I would love to see some of the Piston’s practices, I’ve seen what he can do and hate to see him wasting away on the bench.

by Jay Terillo on Dec 23, 2008 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

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