Pistons, Magic, Game 2
by Matt Watson on May 5, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a site where I can watch the game?
by Diablo on May 5, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
Check this out, if you have sopcast software the links here should work.
http://www2.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=11816&part=sports
by DetUMICH on May 5, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
Way to allow that Evans dunk, Dyess! And now send Nelson to the line for the and-1! Good job!
by Keegan on May 5, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
TNT announcer refused to say that ‘House of Payne’ was the funniest show on television!!!!
The revolution of Truth has begun!!
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah that was a bad blown rotation. The Nelson and 1 annoyed me — two times Tay went in with contact and didn’t get that same call…
I think we look great though…we could easily have a nice lead right now.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks Jez for the mogulus link! Working great!
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
Just joinned midway through. A big lead should not have slipped away like that.Wheres the D? Also has Maxiell entered yet? Ive only just started watching now…
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Keegan was sure that Dyess would hold the Magic to zero points… maybe next game.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you, to all who came to my rescue.
Stuckey is awesome btw.
by Diablo on May 5, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
two missed free throws on the dyess blocking foul. Ball don’t lie
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Thats the Rodney Stuckey I know and love
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Max playing short rotations to conserve energy for his big 4thQ
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
….aaand theres the Rodney Stuckey I know and hate :(
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
Stuckey seems like he misses the easiest lay-ups but makes the almost impossible ones.
by Diablo on May 5, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
The Magic have some stunningly bad role players. Foyle is horrid. Evans should be an 8th man at best on a playoff team. Nelson should only be a back up pg for a playoff team. You can’t play guys like this and win unless you have LeBron.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
I love that we just went to the zone. We’re forcing SVG to play Howard. Essentially Howard leaves, we go to a zone, and then go on a run, then they have to put Howard back in. I like it.
Also, I missed a chunk of the first quarter, are the officials calling this game tight? It seems like it so far.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
I missed it when I came in late, what did Dwight get a tech for?
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
Im kinda suprised for a team that shoots the 3 well (supposedly) the Magic struggle against the zone. Hope it stays that way.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
Haven’t seen any real tic-tac fouls… two blocking fouls though… and howard got an early tech.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
What a dunk! I love the play. Magic look frustrated.
by Laughton on May 5, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
“howard got an early tech”
I wonder if Rasheed taught him that… :D
by Diablo on May 5, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
lol@ FLip telling the crowd to get hype. Who saw that? lol
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta like seeing Dwight Howard just crumple into a ball. What the hell was that?
by Didn't watch the game on May 5, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions
Howard is fumbling a lot of balls… get your mind outa the gutter!
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
A couple ticky tack fouls there on Dwight & Max.
by Birdman on May 5, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
Afflallo is so good on ‘D’ that they just hand him the ball now.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
I think the Dwight screen was a retaliation for Afflalo hitting his hand. He needs to talk to KG re: “how to emphatically settle a disagreement with an illegal screen”
by Forty on May 5, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
I love Stuckey, but why does he overreact to very typical NBA jostling?
by Brad on May 5, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
You know there’s a talent discrepancy when a team runs post up isos for its backup pg on your starting pg
by Forty on May 5, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
Some halftime/commercial reading for you guys.
by Matt Watson on May 5, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
And maybe Dyess could not allow 5 points in two consecutive possessions. Some people might like that, though, I could see where that would be a good thing.
by Keegan on May 5, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
Flip is rubbing it in. Herrmann in the first half? It’s like he’s waving his hand within inches of Van Gundy’s face, saying “I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you.”
by Keegan on May 5, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Herman and Rattler on the floor together… hmmm….
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
Didn’t Herrmann make a first half appearance in game one?
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
“Not foul trouble; those were earned fouls” -Rasheed
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
Horrible final 2 minutes to end an otherwise great quarter.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
After shooting 1-7 and having a game low -15, maybe Rashard would be better served to play closer to just 5 minutes in game 3 so he’ll have more energy?
by Forty on May 5, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
“It’s not foul trouble, it’s fouls EARNED”
Best quote ever.
by Didn't watch the game on May 5, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Hows Flip look tonight…im stuck in Nicaragua and dont know if ill be able to get to a bar in time to see the game…sounds like his switch to the zone gave the Maginas some fits….stay strong Flip, im with you in spirit.
by Phil Saunders on May 5, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
I absolutely love Charles Barkley. I do not turn away when he speaks because there’s a 99.3% chance I’m going to laugh out loud.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
i do like flip going to the bench – they are stepping up – and it makes a great synergy to keep things hot and rest the starters – apparent mistakes in the early games with philly-though that may really be the starter’s issues more than anyone else.
needless to say, if amir was in we’d be winning. fire flip.
LETS GO STONES!
by piñon lopez on May 5, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions
Sir Charles could read the phone book, and get his own sitcom/reality show.
by yak on May 5, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
shrug, the three point giveth, the three point taketh away
by Forty on May 5, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
tbranch: Dwyane, I dunno why the y is before the a either.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Sheed’s pass to Max was beautiful…
These 3s are annoying…
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
wow. not catching any breaks. they can’t go 100% on 3s the rest of the game, right?
by tedwick on May 5, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
Just gotta play through this crazy 3 point shooting spurt. Can’t last forever.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
I hate it when Rip tries to go coast to coast. It makes me cringe every time.
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
Howard would be having a fantastic game if his turnovers counted as rebounds.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
that little stare down by mo at our bench was comical…he’s such a freaking scrub. what a marginal player.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
7 for 7… 8 for 8… that can’t last. Can it? Even if for a game, not for a series.
I like way the boys keep executing. No need to get rattled. They know this too shall pass.
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
F that, why dont they trap zone like in the 2nd?
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
lol to “we’re done” after a team goes 7-7 from beyond the arc — i’d be willing to wager on a little regression to the mean
by Forty on May 5, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
I can see this Magic team hitting these all day. They gotta do something.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Detroit slacked off on the perimeter, and bingo, 3-city. Then Orlando started making 3s they shouldn’t.
I heard some TNT announcer say “go back to the zone.” Really? Isn’t Detroit’s defense late in getting to the perimeter? Wouldn’t a zone just open up more outside shots for Orlando? Or am I wrong?
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you progression towards the mean.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
Did Bob Seger just have a little bump of coke?
That was Seger, right?
by b23 on May 5, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
I think the officials can’t decide whether to call this thing tight, or call it like it’s a playoff game. Really inconsistent on the whistle tonight.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
Probably the right call by the ref, but Ratliff looked like a volleyball player on that swat.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
progression toward the mean… math spoils the day again.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
When Sheed got fouled there, you could see him say, “bout time”… Its getting bumpy in the paint.
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think that 3 is going to count. I was thinking “way too much time has gone by here”.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
boy imagine if this was end of fourth quarter…wow, what a screw up by the palace
by Forty on May 5, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
Fratello just counted the seconds aloud when the tape was being shown in slow motion. That qualifies for me as unintentional comedy.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
How hard is this? Get out a stop watch, watch the feed, figure it out.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
So what do you think? Yes or no? I say: yes it was good.
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
Man, I dunno, upon further review, that’s awful close.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
i say not that close, and it was late…we just got a break
by Forty on May 5, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
If we win, I hope it’s by more than 2. That could cause a little ugliness.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you they counted the three. Pistons up two.
by Diablo on May 5, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Not going to matter when we win by more than 3.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Allowing 36 points is inexcusable….turriable quarter!
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Does anybody else find that song from the Sprite commercial to be catchy?
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
My wife is watching Jon and Kate Plus Eight. Ugh.
by Garrett on May 5, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone have a pick tonight for the Spurs Hornets? I got the Hornets in a close one.
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
“The shot clock operator is from Minnesota”
My diabolical plan has succeeded!!!!!!
by Didn't watch the game on May 5, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, I hate to say it, but Dwight just ate a baby.
by Garrett on May 5, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
I hate that we have to buy about 4 minutes here with the Rattler on the floor. Not that I don’t like him, but I find some discomfort with him on the floor in the 4th quarter of a close game.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
Maxiell did not have that jumper when he came here. Bless him for adding to his game; bless that Baby Eater.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Maxiell has a nice little jumper! The babies of Orlando can sleep a bit easier knowing he might not be so ferocious around the rim all the time.
by Garrett on May 5, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Stop giving it to Rip put Sheed and Chauncey in the game
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, it’s time to go with the A team here. We might have tried to hang on one possession too long there with Stuckey and Theo on the floor. Time to bring Sheed back.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Detroit’s getting bum rushed on missed shots. It doesn’t matter what defensive set they run, Orlando’s getting it down there the whole 2nd half faster than Detroit can recover. On top of that, Detroit’s offense has slowed to an utter crawl, and nobody’s moving anymore because they’re winded racing after Orlando on their manic breaks.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Offensively we are playing very tight. When you think that a 36 point quater equates to a 144 pt game, it gives you a perspective of how HORRIBLE our defense was in that third quater. Come on boys. Lets go.
by E-Double on May 5, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
So much for the game plan. Defend nobody, pass nowhere. This is great.
by Didn't watch the game on May 5, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Im just worried now about when we head to Orlando, cause you expect the Magic to play better at home. And this is not like Philly where you can just turn the switch on. This team is tough…..I really wanted us to win this game to go with a 2-0 lead. Its not looking like thats gonna happen.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
Is this an f-ing playoff game or not? COME ON!
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
Orlando is FREAKING getting away with murder on their offensive end. Swallow the freaking whistle guys.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
Fuck these refs….
I mean thanks for the first half. But F them now.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
if they keep calling all these touchy fouls when we defend howard, we’re in trouble. we need someone to get hot, like quick to combat the refs kissing howard’s ass man.
by E-Double on May 5, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
The officiating is a complete joke tonight. I hate that call. Similar call goes in favor of Orlando earlier. Unbelievable.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
That was a hard fall. Can’t blame BC for stayin’ down on that one.
by Dash Rick on May 5, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
maybe Rip just woke up to take a piss then went back to sleep.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
Dick Stockton said the block and rebound was Ratliff instead of Maximus. I could go for that mistake if Ratliff was in the game, but he’s on the bench. Dick needs his geretal man.
by E-Double on May 5, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
CBill got up from that and nailed em both. Tough guy indeed.
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
This is where our experience and poise down the stretch will show.
by Laughton on May 5, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry E-Double, let me change my THEOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! to Baby Eater!!!!! I’m kinda listening to Stockton without watching terribly intently.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
We need to get Tay involved on offense…he’s shot well all game and Turkoglu has 5 fouls
by Jim on May 5, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
Wow… I thought for sure they were going to call traveling on Rip there.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
I hate that call against Nelson. Are we really calling fouls away from the play on crucial players here down the stretch of a playoff game. Let them play!
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
Except, you know, a question mark where it belongs in there.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
Dwight is a man on the glass. He gets EVERYTHING.
by Garrett on May 5, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
Poor decision by Billups, he shoulda taken the shot.
by Laughton on May 5, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
Idiot boy was obviously trying to draw the foul and then when he didnt hear the whistle he threw to Tay who wasnt expecting it.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
Lock-down Rashard and Hedo, and if Dwight sees the ball, foul him.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
(That ball totally went off us!)
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
My world is upside down. Flip Saunders has turned into a competent playoff coach.
Boney, however, is still wrong.
by g on May 5, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
I would literally hold onto the ball even if it meant crouching in a fetal position and hold onto it.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
looked like it came off magic hands and rolled between piston legs
by tbranch on May 5, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Huge sigh of relief.
Man, Orlando’s WAAAAAAAY different with Stan Van Gundy helming ’em.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
Obviously lol. This is gonna be a series as expected
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
Great, thanks TNT, you just showed a time-count of 5.2 seconds for that 4.8 left at the end of the 3rd when Billups hit that 3. We won’t hear the end of it.
Orlando the next two games is going to be frigging ugly.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
Stan Van Gundy may be a fantastic basketball coach, but awful at dressing himself. Has to be in the top 5 worst dressed people in America.
by Other Matt on May 5, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
Orlando will probably appeal that 3 at the end of the third. According to TNT it was 5.2 sec elapsed when Billups let go.
by Laughton on May 5, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
There gonna whine in the press tommorrow about that 3 by Chaunce at the end of the 3rd arent they? I mean I couldnt it with 1 sec still on the clock.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
It dont matter though, because even if it was waved off Orlando still would have choked.
by Laughton on May 5, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
More lip reading fun:
“F—king Bul—hit!”
— SVG aka the gnome, walking off the court, end of game 2
by g on May 5, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
If they appeal it, it does nothing. The flow of the game would have been changed, but the W doesn’t change if they lop off 3 points. Unless David Stern wants to be a real jackass and replay the game starting from the 4th, we got that lucky break.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Nice win, but like I said its a series still to me. Orlando might have found its stroke and thats crucial at home.
Lets get ready! Good Night all!
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
Why does Detroit give all these teams a generous helping of confidence?
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
You know what?? FUCK IT. Good win, Pistons. Go fuck yourselves, Orlando!
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
This aint really about them slacking but more of the Magic stepping up. They were gonna hit those 3s eventually.
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 5, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
You know Magic fans are going to flip out over the clock thing. Come on, it’s an unreviewable play. What do you want the officials to do? They were off by a tenth of a second and made a judgment call. Should we go back and look at whether they let too much time run off the clock on the play before the inbounds? What if they had started the clock, but just two tenths of a second late? Then they review it and count it. It sucks, but it’s not the refs’ fault. Maybe you think the competition committee should look at making something like that reviewable, but it’s hardly “bad officiating.”
by Forty on May 5, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
g: Agreed on the Flip Saunders is a competent coach, though I’ve been asserting that contention for quite some time now. As for Boney being wrong about Rip, consider me the standard flag bearer for that campaign. As much as I like Monta Ellis (as suggested as a reasonable trade value for Rip), he ain’t going 89.7% from the FT line through 8 playoff games, though Kevin Martin might, I suppose.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
This was the game for Orlando to steal. They may have blown their wad. I could easily see them dropping Game 3.
by Slappy on May 5, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
Don’t forget Orlando was lights out from 3 in the 3rd, that kept them in it. Our perimeter D was average and not up to scratch. If we can take the 3 away again next game, then they will hopefully struggle.
I still like the way this series feels.
by Laughton on May 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
I’d take Kevin Martin over Rip in a heartbeat. I think Sacto doesn’t do that trade though…
Also, re: Orlando appealing to the league. It seems counterintuitive to me that they would make something unreviewable in game and then review it post-game AND do a replay.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
They can whine all they like. The most the NBA could do is detract three from the final score. If they try to take away the basket, the Pistons can justifiably say that they were only reading the clock.
Look, other than a ridiculous outburst by the Magic (odds of them replicating their absurd shooting spell in the 3rd are .07 percent) we had them destroyed.
Pistons in 2…
by Didn't watch the game on May 5, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
I’m shocked that Orlando couldn’t pull that out with everything they had going for them. They had better use the trip home to get their act together or this will be a short series.
Chauncey’s three might not be fair, but it wouldn’t have been fair to take it away either considering that the Pistons had nothing to go by but what the clock said. No win situation for the refs.
by Michael on May 5, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
Forty: And people think Rip is bad at protecting the ball? You’d want nothing to do with the new K-Mart if you were at all concerned about protecting the rock (not suggesting you are or ever said so). My reason in pointing this out (I think I did this a long time ago in some other thread based on a question posed by Mike Payne) is that Rip, Monta and Kevin Martin are all generally comparable players with different strengths and weaknesses and none as a player on the whole is significantly better than the other. Long story short, Rip is great, and all haters can go to the left, to the left.
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
Orlando definitely got the short end of the stick at the end of the 3rd, but when Chauncey and Stuckey had the ball they look up at the clock and still see 4.8 left…if the clock was running they would have played it out differently.
by Jim on May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
@ Didn’t watch the game: great point. Who’s to say Stuckey didn’t glance at the clock and then decide to pass? This isn’t a “you said Shaq had 6 fouls when he didn’t have 6 fouls” situation. It’s impossible to say how that play would have gone, had the clock been started on time.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
I got a lot of sympathy for the refs on that one, because if they took it away based on time, one could easily make the argument that Stuckey might have taken that shot (he was up before the TV crew clock). In a way, it seems to be Orlando’s luck – first Chauncey squirts by with a travel in a regular season game, now this. But, as my wife said, the Magic made enough bonehead plays down the stretch that they really didn’t deserve that game, regardless.
Jason Maxiell has to be the MVP so far. Every good play the Stones do, it seems that he is in there in some way. Great, great defense, man-size rebounding, and a damn impressive little jump shot. Wow.
by Rob G on May 5, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Well ESPN’s headline is “Bad Judgement?”…then it says “Just how long does dribbling, two passes and a three-point shot take? That was the question looming over Detroit’s 100-93 win in Game 2,
as shot-clock error left Orlando disputing its latest loss”…so we won’t here the end of this for a while. Hopefully it helps motivate Detroit since I’m sure they’ll get sick of all the questions related to the clock malfunction.
by Jim on May 5, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
LB, Kevin Martin’s PER is 21st in the NBA. Hamilton’s is 51st. Martin is 5 years younger. I would argue they are not that close in value…
Ellis is 39th, also higher than Rip, though closer. But he’s just 22. For that reason alone, I think it’s clear that G.S. doesn’t do Monta for Rip. I’d also add in Monta’s case that he’d be a nice penetrator, which this team lacks (other than Stuckers).
I’m not suggesting the NBA assign contracts solely by Hollinger’ rankings. But even if you think their performance is similar, the massive difference in age for these guys makes it a no brainer, right?
But I’m not sure why we’re having this debate, since as you point out, I never said trade Rip…for whom I don’t think we would get nearly as much as people think we would…
by Forty on May 5, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
lol at the AP story. is this a sentence that belongs in a news story (as opposed to an op/ed column)?
Orlando quickly got back into the game in the third quarter, only to be demoralized by the timer’s slow trigger finger and the questionable decision by the officiating crew.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Actually, Jim, you hit it on the head. Detroit wouldn’t have drawn out the possession that long. It’s amazing that Billups even knew the time, with reference to some instinctual sense . . . he pushed that thing like there was 4.8 left, got it up within .4 of the actual time with no clock running. Good stuff.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
I think it’s kinda funny that Howard responded with a 22-18 game. That said, it took a nightmare evening from Hamilton for the Magic to be in this.
We got cocky letting the Magic shoot wide-open threes in the second quarter, and they made us pay in the third. Let’s just stay with the game plan.
by kevin s. on May 5, 2008 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll skip the Rip talk, since you guys never want to put a finger on McDyess, so whatever.
How about great nights . . . Prince had a hell of a game. He had 10 rebounds, 17 points, and he hasn’t let Turkoglu get the best of him yet. Hedo hasn’t had much success yet, and he had some last year against Detroit in that 4-0 opening series.
Billups had a nice game, but you can tell Orlando game-planned Detroit well by taking the Pistons guards out of rhythm with tighter defense. You can see it in little things, like Billups’s 4 assists, Rip’s terrible shooting night, and other things like Jameer Nelson being incapable of defending tight, thus fouling out like McDyess. Bogans also had 5 fouls. They did exactly what Detroit did to Howard and the Orlando bigs, well, if you call Rashard a ‘big.’
Detroit’s going to have to figure out something better than Rasheed chasing Rashard Lewis. They’re running two wings out there with Turkoglus as the ‘true’ 3, Lewis as the 4 / pseudo-3, and Howard as the PF/C. Howard also went crazy in the 2nd because the refs ate that whistle, letting the big guy push off and grab the Pistons a hell of a lot more than he ever should have been allowed.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
Forty: I don’t particularly disagree with anything you said (Though, Hollinger’s PER has and always will mean absolutely nothing to me. If a guy is as horrible as Hollinger is at predicting actual results, I’m not going to give his stats any credence), but the point of the original discussion is that Boney keeps dissing Rip without a particularly good reason (or more). Most level-headed cats around these parts know that in spite of their own idiosyncracies, every starter (counting McDyess AND Maxiell) brings something that this team benefits from. We’re better as a team with every last one of ’em than without one or more. I think we can agree on that. Rip haters, I believe what I said was, to the left, to the left!
by LawyerBoy on May 5, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
“Detroit’s going to have to figure out something better than Rasheed chasing Rashard Lewis.” Agreed. I thought Max did admirably well, and it seems as though we might need a little Herrmann, as well (I’d say Jarvis, but his D is a bit foul-happy). I still think we were effective on Howard tonight, despite his typical 20-15, but the balance between attacking him and defending the 3 got a bit out of whack. Can we expect another 7 for 7 3 ball quarter out of Orlando? I don’t think so. But we have to guard ’em out there…
by Rob G on May 5, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Rob G, they were getting up the court on Detroit after a missed shot, racing up there just like Philly was doing, just like Chicago did to us last year, out-gunning us on transition, like Detroit does to many teams. Detroit couldn’t get back in time. That’s absolutely a part of how they got so open in the 3rd, nailing those 36 points . . . they did have some amazing luck, like you said, that won’t happen again, not all in one quarter.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
I’m just so happy Jarvis is out of the rotation. I’d go three guards with Afflalo any day of the week over Hayes.
by Forty on May 5, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
Here’s another sign of our own defensive strategy on their bigs, and how it worked: Rashard had 6 turnovers, Turkoglu had 6, and Howard had 5. That’s a hell of a lot of mistakes on offense. We paid for it dearly in the 2nd half with fouls, but they paid for it just a little more.
by Sauce1977 on May 5, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
i don’t give a rat’s dropping about the 3 pointer and the clock not working. Who cares if they whine whine whine – not me – we won – and even without that probably would have – the loss is a loss and the only people who should bother being upset about it is orlando fans – cause its a loss for orlando and the team may as well focus on game 3 and not complain about that one issue.
secondly, i am glad I read the comments after the game – what is up with people saying “we’re done” in the middle of the 3rd quarter? were we down by 25? wtf. if you’re a detroit fan get some cajones and post after the game if they blew it. none the less, i thank everyone for the great drama, believing one minute and doubting the next.
by piñon lopez on May 5, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Exactly. If we’re going to whine, how about noting the fact that there seems to be nothing the Pistons can do to earn a charge? Nelson and Dooling have free reign to simply throw themselves into the lane, whether or not we see it coming and establish position.
by kevin s. on May 5, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
So how do you take your NBA Finals, Mr. Stern? Lakers vs. Celtics, or Kobe vs. Lebron? Spurs haven’t looked this bad since ’02 vs. the Lakers, pre-Ginobili. No way Hornets (provided no miracles by Spurs) get past Lakers and no way do we see an ’04 rematch! San Antonio was the one team to take out the Lakers, so consider it a pre-emptive strike.
by Slappy on May 6, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Tayshun is playing way to many minutes – we need to find a way to let him rest – I say bring in Afflalo
by IsraeliPiston on May 6, 2008 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Boney: Wow, Rip shot 4-18 tonight. BFD. Get a hobby outside of incessant Rip bashing, and please don’t bring your rancor where it does not belong. Tim Duncan went 1-9 and came up with 5 points in Game 1 against New Orleans. You’re going to tell me Tim Duncan’s 19 and 11 per this season is voided by one crap performance? You have no argument and you’re just trying to incite a reaction (which fortunately for you, is a trick that still works on me). Obviously a complete truth alludes you for some obsession with wasting our time by littering DBB with your minutia. Seriously dude, Matt ought to ban you for all this incendiary crap you’re spewing. If I were running the place I would. Take your vendetta somewhere morons might listen. Try perkisabeast.com, I hear they welcome absurd opinions there based solely in fantasy. If Matt ever commissions another piece of tripe like that authored by a jerk with an outlandish agenda who won’t shut up even after the community as a whole calls for it, I for one, will go elsewhere.
by LawyerBoy on May 6, 2008 1:03 AM EDT reply actions
If the TNT clock is truly tied into the game clock, consider the following…
After the Prince to Wallace alley-oop, the clock stopped at 20.1 and then suddenly jumped to 19.9. That’s .2 of a second. The clock showed 5.1 seconds before the Pistons in-bound, add the lost time and it seems we’d still be okay.
Therefore… screw it. In the words of Ron Jermemy, oops Stan Van Gundy, this whole clock stuff is “F*cking Bullsh*t.” It’s not our fault Minnesota sent us Spartan Bob.
by Josh on May 6, 2008 1:04 AM EDT reply actions
when i saw the headline about it being a questionable clock call, i thought it happened in the last couple minutes of the game. at the end of the 3rd is a controversy? puh-lease. the game could have gone 1000 different ways from there. there’s somebody on that fanhouse link of matt’s DEMANDING that the game be friggin’ replayed! how far from reality do you find yourself where replaying the game is a reasonable course of action from a 3rd quarter clock malfunction? good lord.
i figured we lose one game to them based on insane 3 point shooting. and then i figured we’d lose one based on dwight howard going superman on us. well both kind of happened at the same time (33 of their 36 in the 3rd were from 3 and howard almost ended up with a 20-20), and we held on for the win. it’ll be interesting to see if this game boosted or drained orlando’s confidence.
jason maxiell picked a great time of year to play the best basketball of his career.
by JackDutch on May 6, 2008 1:59 AM EDT reply actions
Prophecy you should change your name to Wrong. Sixers in Six? twice! This game over? Seriously, there’s nothing wrong with guessing wrong, just don’t call yourself Prophecy.
by D_town_fan_in_chi_town on May 6, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
To their credit, Van Gundy and the Magic players didn’t whine about the 3-point shot/clock issue after the game.
Tayshaun is playing a lot of minutes. I’ve been saying for literally years (since Corliss left) that Detroit really needed a decent backup SF. It appears that Flip has lost confidence in Hayes. Sure, Hayes’s performance in his limited minutes in the Philly series was pretty mediocre. But now we have a problem.
We can’t have Tay play 42+ minutes a game and expect him to do well down the line in the playoffs, assuming Detroit advances. Do we want to play Herrmann significant minutes in tight games? He really doesn’t have much experience playing with our other main-rotation guys, and we still don’t really know what he has. The other option seems to be Afflalo in various three-guard permutations. I love Aaron, but he’s at a height disadvantage against most other SFs, and Detroit needs more offense off its bench.
by Toledo Joe on May 6, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
D_town_fan_in_chi_town
May 6th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Prophecy you should change your name to Wrong. Sixers in Six? twice! This game over? Seriously, there’s nothing wrong with guessing wrong, just don’t call yourself Prophecy.
I love being wrong in these situations, I am the eternal pessimist. But allow me to stay on course and say I am very worried about Games 3 and 4…
by Prophecy_Projectz on May 6, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
I agree wih LB. I could use a little less Rip (and Flip) bashing until the end of the series…
by ohad on May 6, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you Ohad. I’d hate to think what some fans would’ve been saying during the Patriots’ first 18 games this past season were they fans of New England. I find Prophecy’s pessimism adorable in a little kid-like way (not actually trying to call Prophecy a little kid) and there’s nothing wrong with worrying about the Pistons. That’s Prophecy’s style and he owns up to it. Going after a player just to incite reaction from others (as Boney has done) is not a tolerable style for DBB.
Flip and Rip (in spite of his 4-18 performance yesterday) are doing nothing short of a fantastic job, as is every member of the Pistons squad. Tay averaging over 60% from the field in eight playoff games? Outrageous! The boys are playing inspired ball right now and absolutely look every bit the part of NBA Champions. I have had a tendency in the past to come down hard on Chauncey because I think he has an inflated ego and I always resented the “savior”, “Mr. Big Shot” adulation he received from the fan base and at times the media. He’s slipped up in these games, but so has everyone else from Rip to Flip to even the superbly-playing Tayshaun. Every guy on this squad, when called upon, has been getting the job done on the whole. Every guy is proving his worth and bashing anyone at this point is just based on sheer dislike of particular guy, not his actual output.
Boney’s crusade against Rip has been turned up a few notches the past few days (not like Boney hating Rip is suddenly news), and it’s inappropriate for DBB. His reasons for not liking the guy seem to have little to nothing to do with Rip’s actual production. Worse, it seems like Boney derives pleasure from Rip’s struggles. You can dislike a guy’s game or ’tude all you want (see: aforementioned displeasure I voiced about Chauncey) and argue that point logically (or emotionally in a reasonable manner) here, but celebrating and/or flaunting the failures of one of the Pistons is absolutely over the line and has no place here. What makes DBB great is not just the diversity of opinion available (where this whole Rip bashing thing started out), but the tendency for the community to be generally respectful and promote intelligent debate regarding our beloved Pistons (and other matters).
We should keep it that way.
by LawyerBoy on May 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
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