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DBB Countdown: Rasheed’s 40 Techs

There are 40 days left until the Pistons kick off the 2008-09 season.

Rasheed Wallace ain't scared a y'all. In the 2000-01 NBA season, Sheed was whistled for 40 technical fouls-- an all-time league record. Under today's NBA rules, that would have brought Rasheed 13 suspensions and $85,000 in base fines. Since becoming a Piston, Rasheed has led the league in technical fouls until the most recent season, where his 13 technical fouls earned him 3rd place behind Kobe Bryant and Baron Davis.

Has basketball's most overtly passionate player gone soft in recent history? Is Rasheed's new-found self control a result of changing NBA rules, pressure from the Pistons coaching staff or just late-budding maturity? While the shrinking tech numbers are likely a result of all three, Rasheed Wallace remains a favorite to win at least one title in the coming season-- either as the league's technical foul leader or perhaps an NBA champion once again. Ball don't lie, this guest writer is putting his faith in both.

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“you can’t see that body contact….you called that shit down there…I ain’t scared of ya’ll”
Classic Sheed. This is why i love him and exactly why i loved rodman so much. A big mouth attached to a great defender.
Happy belated B-day sheed

by Ohad on Sep 19, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The one and only Rasheed Wallace…

by Brandon Hoffman on Sep 19, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Rasheed will run for mayor one day…

by Fadel on Sep 19, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Rasheed will run for mayor one day…

by Fadel on Sep 19, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Clicked on an article on AOL about Mark Cuban and who do you think wrote it? Our friendly neighborhood Matt Watson.

by Quick Darshan on Sep 19, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Warning, this posts contains material that probably has nothing to do with basketball but DOES concern Detroit/The State of Michigan in general… additionally I consider it a REQUIREMENT to come back for ones lumps when trash talking gets one in hot water… therefore:

Dear Sparty (Also knowns as TheGuysJavonRingerMakeLookLikeFootballPlayersTM)…..

I’m sorry I doubted you. Don’t get me wrong, you still suck at football, you still have hideous uniforms, you’re still slightly less relevant than a Red Wings farm team and you’re still a crappy micro team masquerading as a big time college football program…

Otoh, your decimation of ND the week AFTER they beat us (home field advantage aside of course)… does prove one thing…

Right now. For this EXACT moment. Sparty is better than Blue…

Oh GOD DID I JUST TYPE THAT?

Again, enjoy it while it lasts… you’ll probably want to print this email out and save it for that long lonely Christmas Eve night (what you think they’d let Sparty play on New Years? Get real.) after some WAC team blows you out by 24 in a bowl game because your QB sucks and you have no defense…

Also, in basketball news any chance Sheed invited Dick YouBetcha to his birthday party? I’d love to see him take a “T” while cutting a big assed cake :)

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 21, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Backhanded compliment, thy licence plate is PG4L

by Quick Darshan on Sep 21, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

QD, i’ll be the first to admitt that i got nothing here…

Worst football season I can remember……

Dear Pistons, please sign some random D-Leaguer just so i can stop watching the train wreck that is every single football team i like…

Hell, I’d even settle for a Kobe Bryant retrospective on ESPN right now just ANYTHING that isn’t RichRod or the Lions.

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 21, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Game 7 of the 2005 Finals is on if anyone wants to relive some bad memories.

by slappy on Sep 21, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“Game 7 of the 2005 Finals is on if anyone wants to relive some bad memories.”

Just when I thought my Sunday’s couldn’t get any worse. I wonder if THIS time I’ll finally stop believing we had that game with 7 mins left to go and then Pops absolutely DESTROYED his master Darth Vade-I mean his mentor Larry Brown and we got robbed of the title “Dynasty”…

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 21, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good news, the Pistons actually win it this time.

by slappy on Sep 21, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PG4L, can I ask why you’re so down on RichRod?

It’s not like he can go out there and make the most basic simple plays that our freshmen botched against ND. I mean, we literally gave them the ball 6 times. The Nick Sheridan experience is a disaster, but he was in the game because Threet was injured and we were so far behind he had to throw. Threet threw a screen backwards, and straight up dropped a snap. Shaw fumbled a kick. Grady’s fumble is the only play I thought was caused by ND.

The game plan against ND was terrific. We got beat on a lot of fluky plays. We did not deserve to win that game, don’t get me wrong. But it wasn’t a disaster. I refer to you this article.

The fact is, this season would’ve been rough with or without Lloyd Carr. Rich Rodriguez is one of the 5 best coaches in all of college football and Michigan fans, especially after last season’s disaster, ought to have enough patience to let him turn the program around.

by Other Matt on Sep 21, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When my team turns the ball over 6 times… I blame EVERYONE. You choose to forgive the coach… You can do whatever you want but PLEASE don’t give me that bullsh*t about “it wasn’t RichRod who fumbled”… whose job is it to teach young players to hold the ball in the god damn rain? Who? Please, if I’m going to yell at Lloyd when his team f*cks up large… I’m going to yell at RR too because that’s what that game was… one giant mistake after another..

You’ve gone soft.

And this team would have a REAL QB and at least one more starting lineman if Lloyd was in charge so that’s a bull line too.

I DO NOT WANT LLOYD BACK but the fing Honeymoon is OVER… Losing THAT badly to a ND team that still VERY CLEARLY SUCKS was not, is not now and will not EVER be okay… not even during a “rebuilding year”.

I’m down on RR because he came to the big league and thus far has freaking choked…

I know it sounds like I’m mad, because I am. Not at you per se but at the notion that somehow I should be patient, as if somehow I shouldn’t be upset when the team can’t move the ball, turns the ball over repeatedly and even looks poor at times on DEFENCE (which btw was supposed to be INSTANTLY better when Mike Barwiss finally turned all our fat guys into chisled football players… didn’t happen)…

I’m sorry but “We turned the ball over 6 times” is NOT AN EXCUSE IT’S AN INDICTMENT. Un-ac-freaking-ceptable in game one or game one million. Period.

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 21, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not trying to piss you off, because you’re just a different kind of fan than I am. Not better or worse, just different.

That said, your rant is all the evidence anyone needs to make the case that some Michigan fans are completely irrational and impatient. That’s okay. I’m not soft. I sat through disaster after disaster the last 3 seasons. 7-5 in 2005 was totally unacceptable. We bounced back okay in 2006, but the way we lost the Rose Bowl was completely unacceptable. Last season, I had season tickets and drove back from Philly numerous times to watch us get cranked. How, with last season’s lineup, can we talk about THIS SEASON being a disaster?

The simple fact of the matter is that this program was broken, and broken severely. We could have hired Pete freaking Carroll, and this season would be going just the same. I’m perfectly okay with this season and next being “rebuilding” years in order to take that step that we just couldn’t take under Lloyd. I’m sorry.

As for the 6 turnovers, high variance things will happen from time to time. You think they didn’t practice with a wet ball all week? They did. The coaches did everything they could to prepare those guys. Sometimes freshmen just make freshmen mistakes. Yes, that includes dropping kicks or easy balls to handle in their first ever road game. It happens.

And your illusion that Mallett would’ve stayed if Rich Rodriguez wasn’t the coach is just false. I have friends that are/were student managers. I have friends in the AD. Ryan Mallett tried to transfer before last season. Lloyd wouldn’t release him from his scholarship until he stayed for a full season. He was gone no matter who was the coach. Rich Rodriguez, Pete Carrol, Lloyd Carr, all 3 of them would’ve been saddled with Steve Threet, who actually wasn’t that bad against ND. I know I’m just anonymous internet guy making claims, you can choose to believe me or not, but I’m just telling you what I know.

Just lighten up a little bit. The future is really bright. We’re going to be fine. We have improved little by little over the 3 games. We’ll get there. It won’t happen over night, but it will happen.

by Other Matt on Sep 21, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, completely OT: but anybody who cares even a little about baseball should be watching the final game at Yankee Stadium. It’s been really well done. I don’t really care about the Yankees, but there’s little arguing that it is the most hallowed ground in all of professional sports.

by Other Matt on Sep 21, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“I’m sorry I doubted you. Don’t get me wrong, you still suck at football, you still have hideous uniforms, you’re still slightly less relevant than a Red Wings farm team and you’re still a crappy micro team masquerading as a big time college football program…”

Why so angry? Why attack?

I think Michigan Fan feels a little salty already and we haven’t even faced each other yet. That statement is sad…talk about losing your “cool”. lmao

And if it makes you guys feel any better, you are still head and shoulders better than the Lions. :D

by Diablo on Sep 21, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“I ain’t scared of y’all” – that’s what all Pistons opponents are gonna be telling the Pistons this year. I am so disappointed in Dumars’ inactivity this season – signing the ultimate underachiever Kwame I-was-booed-in-LA Brown on a bloated contract is NOT the path to a championship.

Here’s to yet another season of 50+ wins and a ECF exit.

by Jimbo on Sep 22, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

@Jimbo:
Gotta love that positive attitude before the season begins.

re: Inactivity. We fired our coach, man. We fired the guy that that is ultimately responsible for three Eastern Conference Finals losses. I don’t know how you can consider firing a coach as “inactivity”.

re: Kwame Brown. We picked up a serviceable backup center, a mack truck of a guy, who has a chip on his shoulder and a last chance at justifying his existence. He might be one of the biggest draft busts in recent memory, but even if he doesn’t improve he’s still a solid backup. And $8 million expiring in two seasons? That’s a step toward being a big player in the forthcoming free agent class of 2010.

Here’s to a positive attitude, here’s to looking forward to a FRESH season with FRESH coaching and a Zoo Crew ready to make themselves feared by the rest of the league. Trust me, they will be scared.

by Mike Payne on Sep 22, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yo game 2004 against the pacers at the end of the game you can clearly hear Rasheed say “I rold y’all mutha fu**ers”

priceless

by Shane O on Sep 22, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Warning, this isn’t even close to basketball content. My bad. Please don’t read if you’re some kind of communist… I mean someone who doesn’t like football (same thing you red bastard). Also, this is way long… again my bad.

Diablo, guilty as charged and having nightmares about Javon Ringer vs Our-So-Called-Defense’s-Excuse-For-Tackling…

Other Matt: Look, I could go into your post in more detail but really where is it going to get either of us? What it comes down to is that you’re willing to write of this season (and apparently next, how generous of you) whereas I was willing to accept close loses vs. above average opposition but I absolutely REFUSE to accept getting embarrassed by BAD teams… Really we have no common ground except a mutual worship of Adolph “Germany” Shultz and a belief that Fielding Yost is the coolest name for a football coach ever…

Still I think you’re being WAY unfair when you call me “irrational” or impatient. It’s like you watched a different off-season than I did, so let me take you through the phases of my dis-satisfaction..

1) Several years in a row end with Michigan teams looking fat and more importantly VERY SLOW vs. superior competition. This probably started in 2003, but it became REALLY obvious by Vince Young’s breakout game in the 2005 Rose Bowl vs. us. It’s clear that Lloyd’s teams just don’t have what it takes to compete vs. big time competition but his reputation and Michigan’s outright worship of anything related to Bo buys Lloyd 2 more seasons (which as you pointed out weren’t good enough either, big surprise)… I think however it’s important to note that until LAST year the Wolverines always seemed “close but not good(or rather fast)enough”.. Even last year one has to consider how big a factor injuries ended up being down the stretch. Nobody was happy with App state, but it’s hard to think all wouldn’t have been forgiven if Mich. had won the Big 10 (again see 2004 and the 2005 Rose Bowl) or hell even beat Ohio State…By the end of last year however I think we can all agree that we’d seen enough of Lloyd and it was time for a change…

2) Enter RichRod, who we were promised would do three very important things we’d been ASSURED Lloyd had been unable to do…A) Install a modern offense that scored the kind of pin ball numbers that made Michigan’s old coaching staff seem obsolete. This offense would produce numbers NO MATTER WHO PLAYED IN IT as evidenced by RichRod’s success in turning traditional doormat WVU into a big time college football power. B) Turn lazy, fat, unmotivated Lloyd Carr recruits into lean, chiseled tackling machines that never tire and eventually wear out weaker mere mortals for the kind of fourth quarter comebacks/strangulations Lloyd’s teams never could seem to produce (but USC and LSU types live off) through the magic of a little weight wizard named Mike Barwiss and finally C) Win in the living room with the kind of big time athletic pinball machine QB’s that would never play for Lloyd Carr’s kind of football team…

3) Spring rolls around and Blue Nation is greeted with the shocking news that a starting offensive lineman wants out of Michigan so BADLY that he’s willing to take a year off football to do it… and that his father, a former player himself AGREES with the kid’s decision to PLAY FOR OHIO STATE….. We’re led to believe that’s because the player is fat and lazy and doesn’t like Mike Barwiss using a little foul language while telling his fat lazy ass to keep running. In this way an obvious distress sign is sold to us as “actually just a natural side effect of Michigan coming into the modern age…”… I raise my eyebrow but I don’t say much.. Maybe the guy really IS a fat malcontent…

4) Signing day passes and Tyrell Pryor does NOT sign on the dotted line despite being an IDEAL FIT for RichRod’s offensive scheme and being all but promised that he’d start immediately if he did sign. The kid had EVERY single reason to commit and didn’t, despite RichRod’s supposed ability to deliver “athletes” and “speed” (read Black Quarterbacks who can run the spread) to Michigan. I don’t I need to tell you how upset I was when Pryor signed with Ohio State… you were here, telling me to calm down then too… despite me saying “This year is GOING TO SUCK NOW” or something to that effect.. I believe you were the guy sticking up for Threet and reminding us he used to be a 4 star and an elite eleven prospect right?

5) Somehow all of spring and summer go by and the team doesn’t name a starting QB… in this time period everyone from the team seems to realize this year isn’t going to be better than last by any stretch, because the conversation suddenly turns from “all the great things RichRod is bringing to Michigan” to “Lowering our expectations”… I raise another eyebrow but I assume this is due to Tyrell Pryor being a flighty young man and stupidly picking the bigger name program (shudder) instead of the one where he’d be a star right away… This point WILL come up later so be prepared to refer back to it.

6) Opening week comes and we’re all verily warned that Utah is a very good looking veteran team; perhaps even as dangerous as the year they went undefeated… We’re told to expect a tight game, maybe even a loss but Michigan’s talent is declared superior by EVERY analyst going into the game. I won’t re-hash the details here, you saw the game.. but I do think it’s important to bring up two very obvious points from said game that I’m pretty sure every Michigan fan with two functioning eyes (yes even you) would agree with and that’s A) Our defense missed an absolute F-ton of tackles in the first half and allowed a much weaker team to walk all over them for 2.5 quarters. They looked so awful the sudden resurgence at the end of the game caught EVERYONE by surprise. Either way however this was not the "relentless, tireless tackling machine" we’d been promised by any stretch. Which brings me to B) It took everyone I knew all of 1 quarter to decide that Steve Threet was 100% better than Nick "I’m Not Surprised He Walked On" Sheridan… how in the name of HOLY HECK did RichRod and staff not realize this with an entire SPRING AND SUMMER to examine both players? I mean we aren’t talking a close battle and one kid doesn’t have a "game head" while the other does, Sheridan isn’t good at THROWING THE FOOTBALL and Threet is, plus Threet RUNS BETTER like wtf? I accept the close loss but I can’t help but notice both ominous points A and B… it’s at this point that I’m REALLY starting to wonder if Joe Tiller had it right… is RichRod a the best snake oil salesman ever and only a mediocre football coach?

7) Week two pretty much represents a breaking point for me and the spread offense. Miami of Ohio is NOT a good team, they are NOT a good defense and I’m pretty sure they’d lose to roughly HALF the high school football teams in Texas… no lie. I don’t think I need to tell you winning by field goals was NOT an acceptable result here. Now I’m getting REALLY, REALLY, REALLY scared… this was the kind of team Lloyd would hang 35 points on and make us all feel bad for asking for his head when he lost 24-19 vs. someone good… 16-6 is unbelievably bad considering how much more talent this team has on BOTH sides of the ball. I know you don’t agree, you are however completely wrong, I’m sorry, you just are. Miami of Ohio is terrible. The only positive you can take from this game is that we all became aware of just how good Sam McDuffie was going to be when Minor got injured, but AGAIN, if McDuffie is that good how come it took all SUMMER for RichRod to realize the kid was his best offensive option. At this point I’m upset AND scared AND pretty sure the guy isn’t a very good coach and that ladies and gents is after a VICTORY….

8) We shall not discuss the ND game. You see a lot of yards gained and an offense finding itself… I see a VASTLY superior Michigan team turning the ball over 6 times vs. a ND squad that is quite honestly not good at all and thus giving them the game. You see progress. I see utter failure… and 6 turn-overs… over and over in my nightmares.

9) Week 4…..Michigan State embarrasses ND and my suspicions are finally confirmed. RichRod is a very lucky coach who stumbled into a Pat White and Steve Slaton at a time when the traditional powers grip on college football was slipping just enough for feisty underdog to steal some of the publicity. He isn’t a great evaluator of talent, he isn’t a great recruiter and he’s a TERRIBLE in game manager when he doesn’t have VASTLY superior talent at the QB position. He is in other words "not Michigan Material".

Please don’t insult my intelligence by implying I lack logic or perspective. I’ve seen the same show you have I just haven’t drunk as much Kool-Aide.

"because you’re just a different kind of fan than I am." – Yes I am, I’m the unbiased kind who doesn’t have friends on the inside and doesn’t want to hear "It wasn’t my fault" from a coach who promised way better.

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 22, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Response in 2 parts. Part 1:

Listen, and I’m going to say this once before I take you apart point by point. You straight up have NO IDEA what you are talking about. There is no team I follow more obsessively than Michigan Football. Yes, that includes our Pistons. Before I read your big long incoherent mess, I was willing to concede that I was unfair in calling you "irrational" and "impatient". No longer, you are both irrational and impatient along with just plain being wrong.
Now the point by point dissection:

1) In 2003, Michigan won the Big Ten outright. They looked neither slow nor fat against "superior" competition. They looked both out-coached and under-prepared. The 3 losses from that year include coaching debacles at Oregon and Iowa, and of course the Rose Bowl. They completely took apart defending National Champion Ohio State in what was maybe as complete a performance in a big game as I’ve seen in 10 years out of Michigan.

In 2005, the Rose Bowl was another coaching disaster. The time mis-management down the stretch was borderline criminal. As far as last season goes, talking about injuries being a big factor is a fair point…. until you talk about how this season, with TRUE FRESHMEN EVERYWHERE, we’re supposed to have better talent than Utah and ND. Sorry, you lose this one.

2) Who promised you that within 3 games, Rich Rodriguez would be able to do what Lloyd Carr had been unable to? Who promised you that there would be "pin ball like numbers no matter who played in it"? Sometimes the "lazy, fat, unmotivated" guys are just, like, not good football players. These players were neither recruited nor coached by the current regime. I fail to see how this is in any way a factor against Rich Rodriguez. What "athletic pinball machine QB’s" do you expect Rich Rodriguez to recruit in less than 2 months?

3) I’ll see your Mike Boren sending his son to Ohio State and raise you a Heisman Trophy winner calling him out.

4) Terrelle Pryor was never going to Michigan. Why? Because Michigan hadn’t been recruiting him for months before Rodriguez was hired. In that time frame, Pryor formed friendships with several recruits who called themselves "The Brew Crew" which included high profile guys like Michael Brewster and JB Shugarts. Surprise, surprise, they all went to Ohio State. And where did their good friend Terrelle Pryor go? That’s correct, Ohio State.

Yes, I was seen around here defending Steven Threet. And I’ll keep defending him. The kid is a freshman who’d played exactly zero snaps at the division 1 level until this year. Here’s the line from the ND game:

QB A: 16/23 175 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
QB B: 10/21 147 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

I’ll take QB A, who just happened to be Steven Threet. Shame on you if you’re giving up on Threet after 3 games. Don’t complain about being called impatient, and then complain that 3 games isn’t fast enough for a freshman QB to get it.

by Other Matt on Sep 22, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5) I’ve got no answer for you on the Sheridan-Threet thing. You’re right. Sheridan isn’t nearly as good as Threet. Who was talking about "all the great things Rich Rodriguez was bringing to Michigan" in the context of us being anything but slightly above average this season? I’m on record as saying 8-4 was a wildly optimistic prediction, that I expected 7-5, and would be happy with 6-6. It’s not my fault that your expectations were out of whack from reality. I fail to see how Terrelle Pryor has anything to do with your argument here.

6) Utah is a very good looking veteran team. They are likely going to have 0 or 1 losses and are a serious threat to make a BCS game. At what point did you expect us to make a BCS game? Why should we have been favored against this team? Who cares that the analysts say we have "superior talent". We do, it just happens to be heavily weighted toward freshmen who’ve never played a game in college, and this was their first crack at it. Yeah, the D was a letdown. You are again right on the Sheridan-Threet thing, there’s no excuse for it. I’m sorry that you buy all the BS that you read in the media. The snake oil thing was way overblown, and that’s all I’m going to say about it.

7) You are correct, Miami of Ohio isn’t that good. You are completely wrong about their defense. They are the first school in history to have all 3 of their starting linebackers named to the Butkis Award Watch List, not that I’d expect you to know that. The reason you were REALLY REALLY scared is likely because you were listening to the moron announcers on ESPN who, despite the visual evidence in front of them, made it sound like the sky was falling when we were at no time ever in danger of really losing that game. Also, it’s McGuffie with a G, not a D. Again, not something I’d expect you to know with your attention to detail and facts here.

8) I see progress in the ND game because there was progress. There were a lot of high variance things that happened. Inexperienced players make mistakes. You have to let them play through it. What else do you want me to say?

9) What does MSU vs. ND have to do with anything? Your fear that we’re somehow going to be usurped by State? We’ll get our crack at Sparty, that can be settled on the field. Rich Rodriguez actually has a record before Pat White showed up. I’m glad you could bother to look it up. It’s 29-21. This is not great, but it’s not totally awful, either. He went 3-8 in year 1 before going 9-4 in year 2. That’s pretty solid improvement. For context here, this record was compiled Virginia Tech, Miami FL, and BC were all in the Big East.

Oh, and if Pat White is as wonderful a QB as you claim, why is WVU 1-2 this year with 8 returning starters including his entire O-Line? Do you even know how to use Google? Do you know how to form a thought or an argument that aren’t spoon fed to you by somebody else?

How can you claim Rich Rodriguez isn’t a great recruiter? What evidence do you have, other than a 6th ranked recruiting class, that he can’t recruit at Michigan? I just don’t get it. He fails to get Pryor and you label his recruiting a "failure". He out recruited power houses like LSU, USC, and Florida. And you’re not irrational? Please.

I would also like evidence of the following claims: he isn’t a great evaluator of talent; he’s a terrible in game manager when he doesn’t have vastly superior talent; he isn’t "Michigan Material".

Oh, and one more contradiction: how can he not be a great evaluator of talent, yet manage to unearth Pat White, Steve Slaton, Owen Schmitt, and Noel Devine? Bonus piece of evidence: his staff took Ryan Mundy from punch line and after thought not invited back for a 5th year at Michigan to NFL Draft Pick.

Who promised you better? I’d like to see one Rich Rodriguez quote where he was pumping up expectations for this year. I’d like to see one quote that could be interpreted as him pumping up expectations for this year. He’s been very careful about what he’s said publicly about his expectations because this is a very young team that is going to go through growing pains.

Your entire argument is not logical. So yes, I am insulting your intelligence, because it is well deserved in this case. The fact that I have friends "on the inside" is not why I’m a Michigan fan. I’ve shared every bit of "inside information" that I have that’s relevant to this particular discussion. I’m a Michigan fan because I went to school there and I love the place and loved my experiences there and everything it’s given me. Of course I’m biased, I’m a Michigan fan. The word fan is short for "fanatic". I hate to break it to you, but you’re biased, too. It’s the nature of being a fan. I’m at least presenting my arguments in a coherent and logical fashion, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for you.

by Other Matt on Sep 22, 2008 11:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so I read you’re entire post and I was roughly halfway through a page of reply when I realized three things:

1) We aren’t going to agree on much of anything
2) This discussion probably isn’t popular with the basketball crowd here.

and finally 3) Anything I was going to reply to you could pretty much be summed up in one paragraph simply repeated over and over… so here goes:

“I have never disagreed more with someone in my entire life. It’s like you never read a single story this off-season about Michigan or even a single RichRod quote. You really MUST have some tight friends in the AD. I think you are biased as all get out, utterly and completely wrong and quite possibly fucking insane. You on one hand admit I’m right that the wrong QB and RB were playing and then on the other hand call me nuts for saying the coach can’t evaluate talent better than random morons watching on TV. I’m sorry I can’t spell Sam’s last name right yet, it’s not like he’s getting a lot of attention playing for a 1-2 team that can’t score points. ND getting manhandled by Sparty is INCREDIBLY relevant. This guy won’t last three seasons and we’re going to lose at least 4 conference games this year which is freaking terrible.”

You just went into my “raving looney” pile with Litigusboy.

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 23, 2008 4:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is NOT the forum for whatever PistonsGirl4Life and OtherMatt are discussing.

by Jimbo on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my god, people were using a half a week old dead thread to chat about football. ALERT THE POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 23, 2008 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PG4L,

Listen, I’m not looking to create enemies here. Here’s where I’m coming from. I’ve read literally every story that the News, Free Press, AA News, MLive, ect, have all printed about Michigan Football and specifically Rich Rodriguez since he was hired. I’ve also read MGoBlog, Varsity Blue, Michigan Sports Center, and other blogs. There’s a ton of evidence out there. All you have to do is find it. Your view points bother me because I’ve spent a whole summer and then some listening to people (PSU, MSU, OSU fans) regurgitate them ad nauseum. It’s beyond frustrating. I’ve simply layed out my view point and the facts. It bothers me that you throw out my evidence and then call me “looney” and then level the “Lawyerboy” accusation at me.

I’ve thought out my arguments. I’m sorry you disagree with me. I was probably needlessly harsh in terms of personal attacks. Again, your viewpoint is a major pet peeve of mine. There is simply too much evidence out there to debunk many of your concerns. I apologize if I was too personal in my attacks.

I could level the LB accusation at you in terms of that you completely disregard somebody else’s facts and opinions because your viewpoint is so set in stone. Just do a little googling. Go read MGoBlog’s dissection of Michael Rosenberg’s columns. Use that evidence when viewing the MSM’s columns. Get the opposing viewpoint, try to understand it, and use it to help formulate your own opinions. I presume you’re here because you don’t trust McCosky’s coverage in the News, right? I feel the same way (exception is Angelique Chengelis, who’s proven time and again to be a thoughtful and worthwhile read on Michigan Football).

I’m on the bandwagon, and I’ve stated my reasons why. I think we’re going to be scary good in a couple of years. I’ll save you a seat on the bandwagon and welcome you back with open arms.

by Other Matt on Sep 23, 2008 10:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not really sure why I’m responding, I guess it’s mostly so you don’t think I’m still mad at you (though really I wasn’t mad, and I do still think you’re completely insane)…

You are right, even after you called me a half-wit, the LitigusBoy reference was out of line. My bad.

Still, you gotta be real here, there are something things one can’t exactly say “I know I was harsh but I didn’t mean it” and “Yes I am insulting your intelligence” is absolutely one of them..

So we cool, but I’m not offering to split my ice-cream with you any time soon if you get my meaning.

Also, don’t be an idiot about saving me a seat on the bandwagon, you know DAMN well that I can love the Wolverines while still hating their coach, I just spent the better part of 5 years perfecting the art with Lloyd.

by PistonsGirl4Life on Sep 24, 2008 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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