Pistons-Bucks Game Thread
by Kevin Sawyer on Oct 23, 2009 6:52 PM CDT
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The Pistons play the Bucks at 7:30 ET.
This game will probably determine the NBA champion, so good thing it's televised on Fox Sports Detroit.
Hakim Warrick leads the Bucks in preseason scoring, so there's that.
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I’m pretty sure it’s 7:30 central, 8:30 eastern.
by Joe on Oct 23, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, Orlando is smoking Atlanta right now. They look like they’re in mid-season form. Ryan Anderson’s having a great game.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the stream is working here.
CV with a bonehead errant pass to Daye leads to a TO. Then on the next possession, CV with a horrible fadeaway airball with 18 seconds left on the shot clock. Not a good start.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
http://atdhe.net/7336/watch-detroit-pistons-vs-milwaukee-bucks
then click play, its working for me
by Alex on Oct 23, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben with a very crafty steal. He’s definitely a net positive, hope he stays healthy.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did CV start? i missed the first 3 or so minutes
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Villanueva just took Bogut to the hole, forcing him in the post about 8 feet back and hooked it right in the basket. That’s more post play than I’ve seen out of Rasheed in years.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Daye just pulled the chair on someone.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuck + Rip + Daye + CV +Big Ben started
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh baby! Ben with the steal on the perimeter!
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lotta bricks so far.
Stuck keeps driving hard to the hole, then initiating contact and yelling “come on, ref,” loud enough that the broadcast’s mic’s are picking it up. He’s missed most of those. I’m not sure why he doesn’t just concentrate more on making the shot than trying to get the foul call.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben’s the best player on the floor.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, will Ben Wallace help this season?
Yes, yes he will.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not joking, he’s had a huge defensive play every single Bucks possession. Dude is unreal. Fuck stats, he’s been amazing so far tonight.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV with airball #2.
His shot selection is going to drive me crazy this season.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many steals does Ben Wallace have? Wow, like the days of yore.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EXTEND BEN WALLACE NOW.
That’s what she said?
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Redd is eating Ben Gordon for breakfast.
Though Gordon just answered with a beautiful rainbow jumper.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lmao…5 boards, 4 steals, and a block for Big Ben.
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Max is developing some bad habits.
He just caught a pass directly under the basket, and saw a defender coming to foul him, and instead of going straight up for a dunk attempt and chomping down on a baby, he did his best to avoid contact and throw up an awkward lay-up attempt. He’s lucky the defender still grabbed him, because there was no way that shot was going in.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice shot, but take it to the basket next time Maxiell.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bogut deserves some hi-fives from his six imaginary teammate friends after that dunk.
by Thom on Oct 23, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t like that double cross, QD? :)
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More bad shooting by the Bucks then good D from the D.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, Orlando is stacked this year. They have Atlanta bent over their knee right now.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker, it surprised me, but it looked like he could have blown by that guy.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i’d be happy if i never saw that again
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note— Stuckey has as many assists as field goal attempts in the 1st quarter, 3 all. I think in the last five quarters, he’s silenced any of the DBB complainers about his ability at the point.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando scored 37 in the first quarter.
Atlanta had 41 at the half.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note– Stuckey has as many assists as field goal attempts in the 1st quarter, 3 all. I think in the last five quarters, he’s silenced any of the DBB complainers about his ability at the point.
His ability doesn’t concern me; his consistency does.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Late to the party. Came back in from dinner and a movie and was busy watching the Orlando first half. Man that team is gonna be impressive this season.
MFWB had a good game so far>
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maxiell can’t finish with his left apparently.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of impressive (or the opposite), did anyone read Bill Simmons’ season preview? Apparently, we will go 31-51 (one game worse than the Knicks) and the Bulls will win 49 games — 8 more than the Blazers. I like The Sports Guy, but he hates the Pistons, and sometimes he’s impossible to defend. Oh, and he sided with AI on last years debacle. Ugh.
by Thom on Oct 23, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kelser and Blaha … like listening to a pre-school lunch table.
What is this, show and tell?
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@brgulker:
His ability doesn’t concern me; his consistency does.
On what basis would you consider Stuckey inconsistent?
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On what basis would you consider Stuckey inconsistent?
I’ll take last season as an example.
Started great, hit a plateau, then struggled for the last 20+ games. Sure, there were other factors, but IMO, Stuck has yet to prove that he’s an 82-game starter.
I find it difficult to see it any differently, TBH.
He has ability, talent, and potential — absolutely; I don’t doubt that at all.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben looks like he wants to murder the other team. This is good. Now if The Commish could get the same attitude and start raining threes instead of dropping passes, we’ll start to roll.
by Thom on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV is a black hole.
Oh, and 3 airballs so far.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two things I’ve seen tonight that I don’t want to see again:
Max double crossing and shooting a 20-footer.
Will Bynum shooting a contested corner 3.
(But I’ll take plenty of those runners off the glass)
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joy! We get to watch Big Ben shoot free throws.
by Thom on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thom: WOW. I hadn’t seen that. Simmons has some truly terrible predictions there. Someone how he thinks the Blazers are going to fall to 41-41, and the Bucks are going to be 19-63… I would wager a sizable sum against him any day.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cv is the softest, he supposed to be owning this game
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ Gabe:
If the Bucks are healthy, I could see them fighting for the 8 seed in the East … might be a longshout, but I think it could happen.
And the Blazers? I don’t see how they’re not around 50 wins.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@brgulker:
I’ll take last season as an example.
Started great, hit a plateau, then struggled for the last 20+ games. Sure, there were other factors, but IMO, Stuck has yet to prove that he’s an 82-game starter.
I find it difficult to see it any differently, TBH.
He has ability, talent, and potential — absolutely; I don’t doubt that at all.
Stuckey’s point deviation from his season average was likely right on pace with Chauncey Billups, a player I doubt many would consider inconsistent. Really, it depends on your definition of “consistency”.
I would call Stuckey “streaky” before “inconsistent”. He would put up solid numbers for a stretch of games, then have an off night here and there. If Stuckey can be knocked for anything last season, it would be for the wall he hit in February. That aside, he had a great season as a starting PG.
Continuing the comparison to Billups, Stuckey matched Chauncey in FG% and PPG in April, during those “last 20 games” you pointed out.
Stuckey is consistent. He had a bad streak last season, but across long stretches he only has a lot, a lot more good games than bad ones. If Stuckey is inconsistent, so is Chauncey Billups.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree that stuckey is inconsistent. he would be my choice for guard to lose or cut time on. based on past performance.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 23, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Gabe
Oddly enough, I agree with him on who wins it all. That Spurs team is going to be terrifying this year. But, EVERYTHING ELSE he completely blows. The Celtics are not winning 62 games, nor are they making the finals. No way they all stay healthy, and Rondo is a total question mark with the way he’s been treated, to the point that I wouldn’t be surprised if he demanded a trade.
The worst part about that column, though? Simmons questioning Joe D’s OVERALL LEGACY simply because of his two signings he made in the offseason. What did he want us to do??? Last season he was taking shots at us because we didn’t have a chance in hell of landing anyone significant in the 2010 sweepstakes, but when we spend the money in a market where we can get equivalent talent, suddenly our GM’s entire legacy is called into question? He always mentions “94 MILLION DOLLARS” too, like it’s on one guy, but it’s spread out over two players. Charlie V is barely making over the MLE. It’s not like we spent 120 million on Rashard Lewis.
He just likes to hate on the Pistons because he’s a Celtics homer and has bad memories of Laimbeer and Rodman.
by Thom on Oct 23, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker: jinx!
Also, if Bogut and Redd stay healthy, and Jennings doesn’t totally suck, I’d be pretty surprised if the Bucks missed the playoffs.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the rumours are true, cv is a terible defender
by mannie32 on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think the whole stuckey is chauncey idea is flawed. there is much more to players than their height and weight. chauncey is a rare player that confuses pundits and defies comparison. stuckey should earn his time. bynum outplayed him last year.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 23, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@andyfrombrooklyn:
i think the whole stuckey is chauncey idea is flawed.
Did anyone say “stuckey is chauncey”? I compared their consistency, nothing else. You’re putting words in my mouth by saying that.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bogut is incredibly underrated. He’s a legit 15-10 guy, he shoots well over 50%, and he plays pretty solid D. He just gets a bad rap because they picked him over Chris Paul (which, as good as Chris Paul was in college, anyone would’ve done. Bogut was FEARSOME at Utah). If I had to make a list of Centers in the league I’d rather have, it would probably be: Dwight Howard, Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson, Yao (when healthy), and Pau Gasol.
by Thom on Oct 23, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Simmons take on the Pistons.
If anyone listened to his podcast, some of his concerns are vailid though, and really there’s still too many questions about this team’s direction from a rebuilding standpoint. But then again Joe D is known for being prudent. I just dont know if his insticts are on point as they were in say 2002.
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ MP:
Alright, let’s compare CB and Stuckey — not their careers, but last season (probably CB’s worst and Stuckey’s best): http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=AbmmC
Take a peek at the bottom numbers (Advanced), particularly TS% and eFG%, AST%, TO%, and USG%. In every way, CB was better, for the entire season.
If you look strictly at totals and averages, CB’s superiority (efficiency) isn’t as obvious. But if you look a little closer, it becomes quite clear.
So we agree: Stuckey has potential. He has a similar toolset to a young CB, a great attitude, a good work etich, etc., etc.
Where we disagree: he’s not all that efficient and/or consistent just yet.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How did Stuckey not get a foul call there?
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s one thing that I can safely say about both Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva: They are both incredibly awkward.
BG seems like he grew up playing a different sport, and hasn’t totally become coordinated at basketball moves.
CV looks like he’s wearing shoes that are about ten sizes too big.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“Here’s one thing that I can safely say about both Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva: They are both incredibly awkward.”
Jim Calhoun might disagree with the safely part.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@brgulker:
Like I said to afb, I’m not comparing Stuckey or Billups by any other means than their consistency from last season alone.
I’m not making any other comparison. None at all.
I used Billups as a comparison because he had one thing in common with Stuckey last season— a similar per game point deviation from the seasonal average. In short, Stuckey would have a good streak then a single bad game. Chauncey’s numbers looked similar to Stuckey on those terms alone.
I chose Chauncey because of fan’s expectations of a player of his caliber’s performance. No one would consider Chauncey “inconsistent”. But in terms of consistency, these two players are quite similar and that alone is where my comparison begins and ends.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
QD: I wasn’t trying to comment on their actual abilities, just that both of their games are awkward by NBA standards.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV looks gassed. I wish he was in better shape. He’s kind of flabby.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or not so much flabby as not toned.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gabe: In what way? BG has one of the nicest strokes I’ve ever seen.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not pleased at all with what I seen so far. the only 3s that are impressive are Ben W. If you look at the whole teams stats… you would think that we only played one qtr. It seems like we put forth a lot of effort yet it is a very low scoring half. I say the game is there for the bucks taking.
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben in the 1st half: 1-6 shooting (ew), 9 reb, 1 ast, 4 steals, 2 blocks, 4 points in 18 min.
If he could just shoot the ball at all …
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick Darshan
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
CV looks gassed. I wish he was in better shape. He’s kind of flabby.
^^^^^^^^^
And that is a chunk of our cap space money.
Helloooooo loootttoooooooo!
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
indiana squeeked pass the spurs, Blair 9 and 6 same as Dice.
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
QD: His shot is a thing of beauty, but BG’s upper body and lower body seem like they’re controlled by two different people.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So by my count, CV has shot four airballs.
He’s 2-7 in the first half. He’s made two shots and shot four airballs.
Here’s hoping it’s just rust and out-of-shapeness.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Pessimism_projectz:
And that is a chunk of our cap space money.
Helloooooo loootttoooooooo!
Your schtick is already tired and its only the preseason. Leave it to you to bring the annoying pessimism that adds nothing to the conversation.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the Bens are teaching CV and the rookies how to hit the weights properly. Both of those guys are CUT. CV looks like an ex-university ball player at the Y who happens to be taller than everyone else. But in defense of his airballs, I would be money that Q-Star has told him to shoot, shoot, and shoot some more.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Payne
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
@Pessimism_projectz:
And that is a chunk of our cap space money.
Helloooooo loootttoooooooo!
Your schtick is already tired and its only the preseason. Leave it to you to bring the annoying pessimism that adds nothing to the conversation.
^^^^
Cause its my fault we spent $35 million or whatever on an out of shape guy who cant grow eyebrows?
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@brgulker:
Here’s hoping it’s just rust and out-of-shapeness.
Got to be. What is this, a game and a half before this one? I imagine we won’t see the CV from last season until mid November, worst case scenario.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV looks like an ex-university ball player at the Y who happens to be taller than everyone else.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, Dwight Howard just dropped 20 on the Hawks … in the 3rd. Closed the quarter with a beautiful spin move + dunk, like 2k style.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Pessimism_Projectz:
Cause its my fault we spent $35 million or whatever on an out of shape guy who cant grow eyebrows?
No, because that makes you feel it necessary to proclaim this team is a lottery team as a result.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick Darshan
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Yikes, Orlando up 92-58 now.
^^^^^^^
They have been so fun to watch this preseason. Really strong on both sides of the floor, I’m really not sure Cleveland and Boston win the east over them first. They defend well, run that unorthodox offensive style even without Hedo and now have bodies on the frontcourt to help Dwight out.
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait for Daye to put on 15-20 pounds of muscle. He is silky smooth with the basketball, but it’s masked by his Prince-like awkwardness.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine how good Ben Wallace could have been had he ever been able to shoot the ball?
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The offense looks much more smooth now.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Daye’s chest muscles are actually concave ….
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV with two horrible defensive possessions in a row:
First, he lost track of his man and gave up a wide open jumper.
Second, he didn’t contest a shot quickly enough, and his man made a lay-up in his face.
good times.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Payne
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
@Pessimism_Projectz:
Cause its my fault we spent $35 million or whatever on an out of shape guy who cant grow eyebrows?
No, because that makes you feel it necessary to proclaim this team is a lottery team as a result.
^^^^
Its not a groundbreaking prediction unfortunatley.
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause its my fault we spent $35 million or whatever on an out of shape guy who cant grow eyebrows?
$7 mill a year for CV is a steal. There’s no questioning that. If he would have gotten around $9 or $10 mill a year, i would also be all over Charlie V. Kwame will likely make $7 mill next year, just to compare.
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can feel our newly patented 3rd quarter collapse coming.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me, or are we using Ben Gordon the wrong way?
It seems like we’re expecting him to play just like Rip, i.e., off the ball.
Isn’t his strength working with the ball in pick-and-roll?
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Cody: $7mil per year for CV is a steal if he plays well. If he plays like he’s playing tonight, then $0.01 would be too much.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker: I agree about the usage of Ben Gordon. I keep waiting for him to look like Chicago Ben Gordon but he just……doesn’t. Yet, anyways. I think we’ll hit our stride in a few games, though.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We still doing the thing we did last year and continue game threads for Denver games btw
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I might continue Piston game threads with Milwuakee coverage in honour of Carlos Delfino.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else have 2k10 yet?
CV’s avatar is eerily similar to how he looks in real life, eyebrows and all.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yuck. CV didn’t box out Bogut properly, which led to an extra possession for the Bucks, and a bucket.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Cody:
$7 mill a year for CV is a steal. There’s no questioning that. If he would have gotten around $9 or $10 mill a year, i would also be all over Charlie V. Kwame will likely make $7 mill next year, just to compare.
Agreed re: CV as a steal. Prophecy_Projectz has been here for years, whining about the sky falling after a single bad game. Usually he has the decency to wait for the regular season.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gabe
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I can feel our newly patented 3rd quarter collapse coming.
^^^^
We should trade blog names with the Orlando kids over@
www.thirdquartercollapse.com
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep waiting for him to look like Chicago Ben Gordon but he just……doesn’t
Exactly. He hasn’t found his niche yet, and Q-ster hasn’t either.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
…and the 3rd quarter collapse is now in full effect.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Max with the little fall-away! Weeeeeird.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlos with another 3! It always seems like ex-Pistons (who were terrible while they were here) play well against us.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
#
e Bucks, and a bucket.
- 123 Mike Payne
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
@Cody:
$7 mill a year for CV is a steal. There’s no questioning that. If he would have gotten around $9 or $10 mill a year, i would also be all over Charlie V. Kwame will likely make $7 mill next year, just to compare.
Agreed re: CV as a steal. Prophecy_Projectz has been here for years, whining about the sky falling after a single bad game. Usually he has the decency to wait for the regular season.
^^^^
lol, get real. I’ve never been overly-pessmistic other than that one series vs philly couple years back. Other than that Ive been chilled. Didnt say anything last year…didnt need to. This year is no different.
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another jumper for Ben Gordon. That’s more like it! He’s so little but he always seems to get his shot off.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@garrett:
Carlos with another 3! It always seems like ex-Pistons (who were terrible while they were here) play well against us.
Except for AI. I’m pretty sure he’s gonna suck :)
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did someone just shout, “Ball don’t lie!” after that missed free throw? In a way, I kind of wish that would disappear with Sheed.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gordon showing some nice concentration. Watching him play, it’s strangely clear when he’s locked in and when he’s not.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@pessimism_projectz:
lol, get real. I’ve never been overly-pessmistic other than that one series vs philly couple years back. Other than that Ive been chilled. Didnt say anything last year…didnt need to. This year is no different.
You’re full of shit. After every, single, second loss in a row, you’re the leader of the boohoos. Kinda makes me want to buy you a box of tissues for the upcoming regular season. Bahoo, Bahoo.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note, DBBers. I think I might just buy a Ben Wallace #6 jersey. Who’s with me!
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Gabe: I agree…CV aint worth crap if he shoots 5 of 12 every night, or has a crap night like tonight. We could just plug anyone in there and they would do better.
However, it’s only his second game with the Pistons, and it’s preseason, and his first start. In time he will play well, as will all of the new guys.
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Side note, DBBers. I think I might just buy a Ben Wallace #6 jersey. Who’s with me!
Me.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m in Florida so i cant watch the game. Do you think this current pistons team can get a playoff spot?
by Ed on Oct 23, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon has fantastic posture. It’s quite incredible, really.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Payne
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
@pessimism_projectz:
lol, get real. I’ve never been overly-pessmistic other than that one series vs philly couple years back. Other than that Ive been chilled. Didnt say anything last year…didnt need to. This year is no different.
You’re full of shit. After every, single, second loss in a row, you’re the leader of the boohoos. Kinda makes me want to buy you a box of tissues for the upcoming regular season. Bahoo, Bahoo.
^^^^^^^^
LMAO!
You’re so midwestern…lol.
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cody: Yeah, hopefully CV ends up fitting in. I’m going to try my best to give him an honest chance.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to see a Wilcox to MFWB alley-oop
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This team still looks like a bunch of random guys on the court. They’re not the “Detroit Pistons” yet. I’m really looking forward to watching them develop this year, though.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I call dibs on MFWB for the fantasy league. We honour dibs, right?
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My wife just yelled, “Fills it up, fills it in!!” when MFWB made that and-one jumper.
I love her.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bynum really took over at the end of the quarter. He completely disrupted the Bucks’ momentum, which is exactly what you want to see from a sixth man.
by kevin s. on Oct 23, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@kevin s.:
Bynum really took over at the end of the quarter. He completely disrupted the Bucks’ momentum, which is exactly what you want to see from a sixth man.
Would you say he…. deformed their defense?
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know this is kinda off topic, but… start around the 1:50 mark.
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I’m on the buying a #6 Wallace jersey wagon. And I was admittedly one of the skeptics when we news first broke that we were interested in him.
by Packey on Oct 23, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s the Ben Gordon I want to see…
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“Would you say he…. deformed their defense?”
No. I wouldn’t say that. Because that would make no damn sense.
by kevin s. on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Willuminati.
The Knights of Kwame Brown.
The Artists of the Ben Wallace Renaissance?
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NICE. Gordon with another swished 3.
Our pick and roll defense still kinda sucks though, especially Wilcox and CV.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@kevin s.:
win. and I’m sorry I won’t be deforming my hangover tomorrow with you in Minny.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
big ben started off the game for us well, small ben ending it for us well thus far
by mannie32 on Oct 23, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilcox can do all the simple things, and do them right. He really knows how to finish, which was a problem with our team last year (among 1245,532405234,49434 others). He’s had at least 3 (what i’ve counted) alley-oop finishes (one dunk and 2 layins).
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@PS: My wacky Canadian spelling deforms American spell checkers.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilcox caused a foul with mind control, apparently.
by kevin s. on Oct 23, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s some goddamn offensive chemistry.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice ball movement for a Maxiell jaaaaam!
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ Gabe: Notice who wasn’t on the floor during this great run?
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@brgulker Told you so, Packey
Honestly, it didn’t take much to convince me. More so than not, I just needed time for the bitterness of him leaving for Chicago to wear off.
by Packey on Oct 23, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the fact that our bigs like to pass to easch other… ben, wilcox and max especially give each other some nice passes… though they don’t always finish
by mannie32 on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chauncey not playing tonight, btw.
Which means Ty Lawson should get some play — I"ll be sure to check him out. I think he could be very solid in Denver.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice interior passing by Wilcox to Max for the bunny. I’d like to see Wilcox play some more with Kwame and/or Big Ben. He’s a solid player, just doesn’t have a great defensive basketball IQ.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, it didn’t take much to convince me. More so than not, I just needed time for the bitterness of him leaving for Chicago to wear off.
I know, same for me. Just messin’ with ya’.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Wilcox play some more with Kwame and/or Big Ben. He’s a solid player, just doesn’t have a great defensive basketball IQ.
Seems he’s a more natural PF than C, doesn’t he? (Wilcox)
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@brgulker
But you were dead on about him. Props. Dabs.
by Packey on Oct 23, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good grief. Max is such a terrible defensive rebounder.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Somebody get a reeeboooound!
/Bill Walton’d
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lmfao! did anybody else hear Qster go “Oh Shit!”
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Gordon’s awkwardness —
He doesn’t square his feet on his jumpshot! That’s so uncommon, and coaches never, ever teach that. And it just looks … odd. But it doens’t seem to affect him at all.
WTH CV. Pass to the front row.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great pass, Charlie V. Good lookin’ out.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch, Charlie V. That was a total new guy moment for sure.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker: Wilcox definitely seems like a PF to me. Kinda an Amara-lite.
CV is playing like crap.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker: I think the secret to Ben Gordon’s awkward jump shot is his exemplary posture.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chunky Charlie, I have a feeling that one might stick, PS.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t tend to put a ton of stock into +/- BUT:
CV is currently -21. MFWB is +21.
Just sayin’
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV gets beat clean off the dribble. Rip helps out, leaving Redd open. CV’s man dishes to Redd. 3 pointer. Swish.
CV really is not good at playing defense.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think even if CV wanted to play great D, his body wouldn’t let him. He looks REALLY slow out there.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Twice in a row, Gordon has left his man alone for a wide open three.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV’s man just got an offensive rebound and drew the foul.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ Gabe:
Your pessimism is contagious. CV has not impressed me at all.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kwame Brown : knights :: Chunky Charlie : sous-chefs.
by PS on Oct 23, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker: lol, :) I should cool it then. I’ve just hated what I’ve seen so far from him, but hopefully he improves.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Elysova dude (or whatever his name is) has taken pretty much every frontcourt player we have off the dribble. I for sure saw him beat Max and Wilcox prior to CV coming in. CV looks like shit right now, but I think he’s getting undue criticism for the defense since guys like Max (who has been here for a while) aren’t getting called out for the exact same mistakes.
by Colin on Oct 23, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheed is ten years older than Chunky Charlie, but just as fast.
by PS on Oct 23, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ Colin:
Max and Wilcox have contributed positively in other aspects, however. CV has done nothing but shoot and play bad D thus far.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chunky Charlie sounds like a Ben and Jerry’s flavor.
Coincidence?
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colin: It’s funny, Max is way better than CV at defending 1v1, but he’s a lot worse at defensive rebounding, so it kinda evens out.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV is doing a fantastic job looking like his 2k10 avatar, though.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Colin: He just blew by Wilcox on the perimeter again and got a dish
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CV is out of sync. He’s playing like crap today but I think with a couple more games with the regular rotation he’ll be fine. Fingers crossed
by 3X on Oct 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
finally Stuckey is learing to keep his dribble… that will do so much for his game
by rban on Oct 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know that bit on an early Family Guy episode where Peter sees the cable guy and he has such specific facial features that Peter says, “I have to draw you…”? That’s how I feel when I see Ben Gordon’s face.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey needs to learn to not make every shot into a near-impossible shot. Just take the easy ones some times.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this will be Rodney’s breakout season in scoring. I believe he will be a much better/consistent/efficient scorer this year. I just don’t see him having huge assist or rebounding numbers.
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a wonderfully used possession that was.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exciting game even if we’re just playing the bucks haha
stuckey playing with poise
by mannie32 on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also, i really don’t like what i’ve seen from Jennings so far…he kinda sucks lol
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I got a theory about Chunky Charlie’s physique. Ever notice how some people stay skinny until about 25, when their delicious diets catch up with them and they blow up like party balloons? Too much ice cream while tweeting?
by PS on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Garrett
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:55 pm
You know that bit on an early Family Guy episode where Peter sees the cable guy and he has such specific facial features that Peter says, "I have to draw you…"? That’s how I feel when I see Ben Gordon’s face.
^^
I feel the same way about Charlie V..
Too soon?
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the words of Larry Brown : Stuck had a coming out party this game!
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Gabe
I think you’re right in general, but against Ilyasova he didn’t look any better to me. CV deserves plenty of criticism, but I think yourself and others are exposing your bias with that particular criticism. You may be proven right in the long run re: CV, but it’s still just the preseason and he’s clearly having “one of those days” so it might not be necessary to harp on every single mistake he makes.
by Colin on Oct 23, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The DBB Chunky Charlie Drinking Game
game rules
- Buy a 12-pack of beer.
- Watch a televised Detroit Pistons basketball game.
- Watch Charlie Villanueva on the defensive end.
- For every time CV watches the ball instead of his man on D for a possession, drink.
(…quarter two: buy a second 12-pack of beer)
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s fine, Miluakee wont hit the 3…
putting it out there
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
58 points from the four guards, plus 3 from weirdo swingman Deron Washington. Just as Joel predicted.
by PS on Oct 23, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now just don’t miss those goddamn freethrows
by Tayschung on Oct 23, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we win? Wahoo!
I liked the defense on that last play by Milwaukee
by Peter on Oct 23, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I won’t be happy until each of the guards go for 20 a piece on a nightly basis
by BOOMANN on Oct 23, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pfft, it wasnt the 3 they needed.
by Prophecy_projectz on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How good of a signing was Ben Wallace, eh?
We’re fortunate to have him this year. He will produce, and perhaps even more importantly, perhaps he can school Kwame and CV in the ways of defensive dominance.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben finishes with 14 rebounds. Now he just has to stop shooting.
by Cody on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Jerebko’s not in the 10 man rotation.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So a few Piston tweeters just started a #Blaha hashtag for Twitter.
“He blew the bunny” is my favorite thus far.
http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23blaha
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
14 boards, 4 steals, 2 blocks.
That’s vintage, my friends.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing that Summers and Washington are the inactive players.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy and Mark Jackson are back. Time to put the game on mute …
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@scientific187:
I nominate BW1879114EVA instead. Guy was the reason we stayed in that game.
by Mike Payne on Oct 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No question Ben Wallace was MVP of that game. No question.
by brgulker on Oct 23, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colin: I’ve pretty much admitted to being slightly biased with CV (and very, very biased when it comes to The Wrong DeJuan ;)), but I don’t think anything I described was inaccurate. Max and Wilcox struggled at times as well defensively, and I specified that Wilcox is an equally poor pick and roll defender to CV.
Still, with that said; CV was clearly the worst player in a Pistons uniform tonight. I’m hoping, along with everyone else, that he ends up working out for the team. But, if he plays more crappy games like he did tonight, it’s going to be hard for me to be too optimistic.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree but that is who the fans elected.
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In any event I am just happy to see BG do for us what he did for chicago with Stuck 16 2 and 6, Bynum 13 3 and 5. You cant ask for a better game from our gaurds. other than Wilcox we just need another big to step it up. Ben saved us. but tonites #s shouldn’t be a realistic expectation for him every night.
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All we need now is Chris Bosh and we’re set.
ducks for cover
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker:
I forgot how good of a player Big Ben is. Back when he was still a freak athlete, I think people tended to overlook how incredibly high his b-ball IQ is.
To go back to a months old debate: IMO, there’s no question that Ben’s defensive ability is a skill. Chris Wilcox couldn’t just one day decide to play harder and turn into Ben Wallace.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just dropped in to set down this nice article…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AsvbapfeGlUFm.XEgAlmcg5nYcB?slug=ap-refereeslockout&prov=ap&type=lgns
by A_Casual_FAN on Oct 23, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you have to wonder if we might have won another ring had he not left.
by scntfc on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@Gabe:
Fair enough. I hope you’re proven wrong, but we’ll see soon enough.
And you guys are right about Big Ben. He seems reinvigorated. It’s awesome.
by Colin on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else watching Nug’s vs Lakers?
Lawson’s looking very good. Also, Mbenga is playing like an actual NBA player. Not sure when that transformation happened, but with the Lakers depth at PF/C I wonder if we could get our hands on him for cheap.
by Gabe on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just caught the end of the game, but saw a nice basket by lawson a few minutes ago
by mannie32 on Oct 23, 2009 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh, Villaneuva wasn’t very good tonight defensively, but he was actually pretty solid in the previous game.
by Terrence Lynch on Oct 23, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m watching LA/Denver. I hate the Lakers, but I have to say that year after year after year they seem to get the best from their roster. Can you imagine Luke Walton being marginally successful on any team other than LA? Jordan Farmar? Sasha Vujacic? It never seems to matter if it’s DJ MBenga filling in or Kareem Rush or Brian Cook or Devean George — someone always seems to have a big game and hit big shots. Kudos to their offense.
by Garrett on Oct 23, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just read the comments here, after watching the game at work—somebody referred to gordon as “little ben”, then later, apparently, george F’ing blaha also referred to him as “little ben”, so that should probably be his nickname.
also, orlando is fucking sick.
by Scott on Oct 24, 2009 3:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mp. i wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. i was referring to general commentary over two years by lots and lots of people about the chauncey/stuckey comparison. and the obvious implications of the a.i. trade. the conclusions made after the orlando series two years ago. and the fact that there are a lot of similarities including statistics like the ones you were providing.
what i am really saying is that stuckey has had a lot of expectations put on him and that gives him playing time that otherwise he hasn’t earned and that last year people of all stripes were benched for various reasons including rip but not ever stuckey. now there are three guards who have produced more results than him. bynum is showing up game after game. rip is a proven star with incredible track record consistency who is still in his prime. ben gordon is also a proven star.
stuckey is the question mark.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 24, 2009 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey has proven him self just as much as Bynum has.
by rban on Oct 24, 2009 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ Gabe:
To go back to a months old debate: IMO, there’s no question that Ben’s defensive ability is a skill. Chris Wilcox couldn’t just one day decide to play harder and turn into Ben Wallace.
Well said.
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Looking at the box score from last night, I’m still concerned about our assist – TO rate. Last night, 20 assists to 16 TOs.
Last night, Rip, CV, and BG — each had 3 TO’s to lead the team and combined for a grand total of 2 assists (CV had 0, Rip BG each had one).
TIronically, Ben Wallace 3 assists and one TO.
by brgulker on Oct 24, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m not the only one who wishes CV was more toned. It took less than a minute for that comment to spawn “Chunky Charlie” (or is it “Chubby” Charlie?).
by Quick Darshan on Oct 24, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shooters on this team are forcing their shots. Because they’re all fighting for their place and for their minutes. This is a bad situation. Stuck is the one guy in a position to make the difference. If he could just shut up and pass the ball. A five-assist game on a team of shooters is not nearly enough. I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but every player seems to be their to compliment his game. He likes the way BG spreads the floor so that he can exploit the interior better. He likes the fact that CV spreads the floor so he can drive the lane better. He talks nonstop about being a leader, but really, he just wants to be the point leader.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker,
I hear you. I agree Stuck did a better job last night and I’m hoping it continues. And I’d even agree that Stuck knows how to play point. When he stepped in for CB in the playoffs a couple years back, he seemed to get it. But then he must have read an article about how he was the next DW. But he’s not and the Pistons aren’t the Heat. If Stuck can play the role of point guard, not NBA superstar to be, we’ll have a solid season. If he forces his shot, we’ll be sub 500. Because if he forces his shot, all the shooters will. Stuck was better the last two games and I’m encouraged, but not sold.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
brgulker,
TO’s are a result of selfish play. Selfish play happens when teams don’t trust each other. Look at Rip. How many times have we seen him try to penetrate off the dribble only to lose the ball. Billups knew Rip was a catch and shoot guy, was patient, got him the ball at the right time, and Rip got high percentage shots and tons of hoops. Rip can be a great player for years if we use him correctly. Same is true of a lot guys. They need to feel integral to be unselfish. I want to see the Pistons play as a team. Stuck is the point. It’s on him. If I’m the coach on this time, I tell Stuck, it’s pass first or sit.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuck’s preseason numbers include averages of 2.5 assists per game and 2.5 TO’s per game. I’m pretty much just conversing with myself here at this point, but what the hell, it’s easier to be right this way.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last nights game was a nice preveiw of our team this year,yah we had alot of turnovers but at least 3 or 4 of those were caused by new teamates trying to make a play.CV and the rookies need to follow the BEN’s into the weight room .Stuckey will be fine but he does need to lead by example like he did at the end of last nights game.One last thought has it occur to anyone we might be able to trade Max easier if we packaged him with Wil Bynum rather then Rip and say Kwame .I’d hate to trade Wil, but he has a very high trade value .I would only consider this if we got a very high or very promising big man return.
by Defor on Oct 24, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JBump:
I’m also concerned about Stuck, his assist to TO is one of the primary points of concern. I also agree that our roster needs a PG who facilitates the offense before his own shot (at least most of the time).
However, what I don’t see is selfishness, a guy looking to become a superstar as you put it. I just see a young kid who sincerely wants to be the best he can be and wants to help his team win — I just don’t think he’s quite figured out what all that means yet.
by brgulker on Oct 24, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to split hairs, but Stuck is selfish. That’s not an indictment. That might not be a full-time personality trait. But it is his game. I’m not insulting him, but I am pointing out that his shoot first style of play will leave this team sub par. It certainly hurt us last year. A huge part of a coach’s job is to get teams to play like teams. If our offense is built off a dribble-drive guy, we may as well quit now. Stuck’s not going to shoot us to the promised land. Preseason he gets shots, but so what? I like that Stuck smells the basket, and I love Stuck as the type of guy who can get something going when the offense goes stale, but he has to distribute and I know he can. I know he can see the floor and the guys on the floor with him. Kuester has to craft Stuck into a point guard. The way to do that is to threaten him with the bench. Curry didn’t do that and Stuck didn’t improve last season at all. Actually, other teams picked up on the fact the Stuck wanted to drive and shoot and they shut him down. We had a no-pass, no-offense team last year. It wasn’t a matter of no offensive weapons either. It was a result of having lost the one guy who understood team, leadership, trust and winning.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jbump: Are you freaking kidding me? Stuck being selfish hurt us last year? Stuck wasn’t selfish ENOUGH last year. Near the end of the year everyone could see that he would just walk up the court with the ball and give it to either Rip or Will Bynum.
And i agree. Stuck’s assist numbers have been way down. Sorry to say, but Stuckey isn’t going to be a 9 assist per night point guard in his career, if that is what you are expecting. He is also our most explosive player..he can draw fouls, get to the rim (now if only he could finish at a decent rate)…he’s just not gonna be a huge assist guy.
I WANT Stuck to be selfish. He is a great scorer. He didn’t have any confidence last year, and he needs to get some this year.
by Cody on Oct 24, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey’s A/TO is pretty typical for young point guards. If he is going to be a point guard, he is going to have to be effective with dribble penetration.
Last year, teams simply clogged the lanes, knowing that the Pistons didn’t have any perimeter threats. This preseason, his teammates shot 42% from three point range.
I’m much more concerned about Gordon’s turnovers than Stuckeys assists.
by kevin s. on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cody,
Why is Stuck “just not gonna be a huge assist guy”? On this team? What is he going to be? He can’t shoot three’s. You’re right, he doesn’t finish at the rim because his shot is flat and hard. A forty-point game once last year doesn’t quite qulify him as our most explosive scorer. Yeah, he can score. But my point is that we have a lot of guys who can score. When Stuck is selfish, other explosive scorers get selfish too. Next thing you know, everyone is forcing their shot, team chemistry is blown and the losses start flying in. As for last year, our offense was more predictable than an episode of CSI Miami.
Man, I’m not talking about ignoring Stuck’s strengths, I’m just talking about integrating them into a real team. Did anyone complain that Larry Brown asked Billups to use other guys to get the ball in the hoop? You think you’re a Stuck fan now? You won’t be if we suck. I say let him play, but let him play point guard, not shooting point guard on a team with so many great ways to the basket.
Alright, I’m trying way to hard for the last word here. Anyone want to ding me. I’ll take it without coming back with the same argument. I know I’ve got to be boring you guys by now.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
“Curry didn’t do that and Stuck didn’t improve last season at all.”
Maybe expectations were too high for Stuck going into last season, but he did make improvements, especially when you consider the circumstances. Being thrust into the starting pg role after the CB/AI trade and trying to deal with all the distractions that took place. He also went from one of the best offensive coaches in the league (Flip) to one of the most inept in Michael Curry.
Considering all that he still made big gains in FG%(40 to 44) and 3PT% (19 to 29). He had a slight gain in AST% but did have a small drop in RB%. Even though he had a higher AST% then Tony Parker last year, I do think the best thing for his game would be able to get a little more time as a 2 or even 3.
by Jim on Oct 24, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My concern/complaint re: Stuck is he doesn’t look for the drive and kick or dish to the rolling big man off a pick and roll, often enough. Once he gets a head of steam going, he’s pretty much always going to take it hard to the basket himself. IMO, this is why he doesn’t get as many calls as he probably deserves, because the refs start to call plays with him differently because they think he always initiates the hard contact and forces up a shot to try and get a foul call.
Now, if Stuck was a Tony Parker-level finisher inside the paint he’d be fine, but he’s not at that level, so he needs those foul calls to boost his efficiency. But, I don’t think he’s being selfish, it’s pretty clear everyone in the Pistons organization is telling him to be as aggressive as possible, the thing he needs to learn is how to stay aggressive offensively without necessarily needing to shoot the ball himself. If refs see that he’s aggressive, but not always trying to get a foul call, I think he’ll start getting more favorable whistles.
by Gabe on Oct 24, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@JBump:
Stuckey’s game is most comparable to Tony Parker in this league. Yeah, he’s not an outside shooter. He’s a scoring point guard who penetrates first and dishes second— which is a skill set any championship team requires either at the 1 or the 2 (parker, wade, bryant).
I don’t mean to compare Stuckey’s talent to parker, wade or bryant, but to suggest that his skill set is an asset to this team more than it is a liability.
Continuing the comparison to Tony Parker— Parker is a scoring point guard who is as far away on the “pure point” scale from a nash/kidd/rondo guard. He shoots a lot more than he dishes. But still, he has players like Ginobili and Duncan to dish to, and the team remains a well-balanced scoring machine regardless of Parker’s passing ability.
What’s more, Rodney Stuckey was more of a “pure point” player than Tony Parker was last year. I like to look at assist-to-field-goal-attempt rate as a way of enumerating a point guard’s style of play. Tony Parker’s A-FGA rate last season was 39%. This means that 61% of the time, Parker shot the ball instead of passing it.
Stuckey’s A-FGA rate last season was 42%— an a Pistons team with very few scoring options.
My point-of-view on Stuckey is to give him a pass (no pun intended) on any weak spots he ran into last season. Why? MCIAFI. AI. Rookie wall. He showed enough promise that he has the means to break out in 2009-10. I remain optimistic on Stuck, and have high expectations— but I won’t extend him the same “pass” if he hits those same weak spots in the season ahead.
His distribution vs. scoring is not one of those weak spots.
by Mike Payne on Oct 24, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just read that kyle korver will miss the beginning of the season:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/10265558/Korver-to-have-knee-surgery,-miss-start-of-season
betweein this and the cj miles injury, the jazz suddenly are perilously thin on the wings.
by Scott on Oct 24, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm might be a good time to work a trade for Boozer.
by Defor on Oct 24, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MFWB in a trade package? If Stuck isn’t the future of this team. Then Will Bynum certainly should be considered a close 2nd. IMO the two thrive well off of each other. So what if Stuck is a shoot first point gaurd. his strength is taking it to the rim. something we have missed for many, many years.I agree that asts. are important to any team. but to call Stuck selfish is just ridiculus. I think there is a fine line between Point gaurds and a gaurd of Stucks ability. Ai has a 6 ast career avg, what has he won? Most of the leagues greatest Point gaurds according to ast. have never won a ring. Nash, Stockton, Kid, Jackson. feel free to add on as we continue this discussion. Stuck will be fine. the Irony is we won just as many games with him having poor outings as we did with him having good outings. Our only concern should be turnovers. ast…? as a team we have to share the ball better. and that does not fall squarely on Stuck’s lap.
As far as packaging Mfwb w/ a big… Stuck and Mfwb are the perfect 1 2 punch at pg. you will be hard pressed to name a better duo. It will essentialy work out to additon by subtraction. which will never do.
by scntfc on Oct 24, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jbump:
Stuck was a great scorer in college. That is his strength. Passing is not…he will eventually learn how to be a good point guard, but he’s never going to be a pure point guard who dishes out 8 or 9 assists per game.
Also, don’t leave the forums. I love to argue people’s opinions. Yours seem to be actually based on some factual evidence, and you seem like a true Pistons fan. No need to leave. I like fresh opinions. I just completely disagree with your opinion that Stuck is too selfish.
by Cody on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cody,
Thanks, I didn’t leave exactly. It was more a matter of being forced to spend the better part of the day at a wedding. Girlfriend made me go. I had to dress up and sit still. So even if you hate my opinion of Stuck, you have to be very sympathetic of me. Making matter worse, it was a Catholic ceremony. Long, dull, and rooted in a period that is painfully pre-NBA.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@JBump:
You ever seen Jesus ball? He’s like the Michael Jordan of his era. It wasn’t much fun to watch though. He’d shoot half-court shot after half-court shot, making the ball stop two feet from the basket and just hang there for a minute. Then it would swoosh, nothing-but-net, and he’d grab his junk and mean mug the opposing team’s bench.
/not religious
//likes the idea of religious icons playing basketball
///drafts Muhammad as my PG (both religious leader AND warrior)
////drafts Jesus as my SF (triple double every night)
/////drafts Ganesh as my C (four arms FTW)
//////hires Richard Dawkins as coach, just to be a dick
///////Triangle offense!
by Mike Payne on Oct 24, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez,I thought that was a dream I had when I was ten.
by JBump on Oct 24, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey is playing for his fourth coach in four years. And he’s playing at multiple positions. I think he’ll be just fine with time.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 24, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well you guys understand the game way, way better than me on a nuts and bolt level. but my generalized sense of stuckey after watching a helluva lot of piston games last year is that he struggled a lot. bynum possessions were exciting and produced points. so i am thinking, bynum more minutes, stuckey less.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 25, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JBump and Mike Payne:
+100 for those two religion and b-ball posts!
by Toledo Joe on Oct 25, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But I’m drafting Thor as my power forward, Buddha (the first one) as my center, Mercury as my 2-guard, Zeus at the point, and Loki at SF just to get under the other team’s skin.
by Toledo Joe on Oct 25, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MFWB gets a few votes for the ‘Most Improved Player’ award projections.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=Predictions0910-MIP
by Sean W. on Oct 25, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MFWB isn’t improved; he’s always been this bad-assified!
by Garrett on Oct 25, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A team made of Satan, Hel, Hades, Set, and Darkseid would probably still average more assists than this year’s Memphis Grizzlies.
by Birdman on Oct 25, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Antichrist: 6 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists.
by Quick Darshan on Oct 25, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FEEBLE DETROIT BAD BOYS! HOW DARE YOU CREATE MOCKING LISTS OF DEITIES AS BASKET BALL PLAYERS? I HAD THOUGHT YOUR IMPUDENCE IN TREATING ALLEN, SON OF IVER WAS BAD ENOUGH! NOW YOU CREATE THESE FANTASTICAL LISTS? AND DARE MOCK US? WE TOOK AMIR FROM YOU! WHO ELSE WOULD YOU SACRIFICE TO APPEASE US?
by THE BASKETBALL GODS on Oct 25, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
“Iverson (hamstring) said he feels like he can go against Detroit Wednesday, the Commercial Appeal reports.”
At least now he has a built-in excuse when he sucks.
by Garrett on Oct 25, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And just because I’ve been wasting time on YouTube instead of working, even though a lot of fans don’t seem to like him, Grant Hill was really, really good at the game of basketball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UoJgDz-xnk
Too bad how things worked out.
by Garrett on Oct 25, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@THE BASKETBALL GODS
“ALLEN, SON OF IVER
That one had me lol’ing.
by Skylar on Oct 25, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WE TOOK AMIR FROM YOU! WHO ELSE WOULD YOU SACRIFICE TO APPEASE US?
Any way you can take back Gordon’s salary or Rip’s extension? Pick one, take it, it’s all yours buddy! (er, buddies)
by Mike Payne on Oct 26, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do THE BASKETBALL GODS make me miss FRED W. CAPEL?
by joejoejoe on Oct 26, 2009 1:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pessimism reigns over at blog-a-bull:
“…and actually, it’s tough to really care about anything besides Rose’s bum ankle. As that, plus a tough early schedule, could have this whole thing off the rails by Thanksgiving. Is it too late to revise my projected win total down to 36?”
and
" ‘…Joakim and Gibson starting together simply because both players are likely to wear the uniform next year while Miller and Tyrus are both free agents’, it just reaffirms how bizzare this season is, with a franchise trying to make the playoffs while possibly stripping the whole thing down at the same time. Not to mention Vinny Del Negro eager to screw up an obvious 7-man rotation he barely needs to touch. It leads to situations where a surprisingly good preseason from a rookie leads to legitimate fear."
if the bulls let tyrus and brad miller walk, they might be far enough under the cap to sign dwyane wade, but that would leave them with eight players and zero frontcourt depth. (if they don’t get wade, possible consolation prizes include joe johnson and some other random dudes—mike miller, larry hughes (ha!), overpaying an aging vet like ginobili or ray allen, etc.) if they can somehow manage to trade hinrich and/or salmons for a competent big man and/or expiring contracts, and sign wade (or at least johnson), they could be a legit contender for years to come.
if the pistons end up with lebron’s future AND a rose-wade bulls team within the division, I’m gonna be super pissed.
by Scott on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Q said he was going to use 9 players for the first game. You figure that’s the 4 guards, Tayshaun, Big Ben, Kwame and CV. Jerebko and Daye are suspended. So is the 9th guy Wilcox or Maxiell?
by Quick Darshan on Oct 26, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@scott:
if the pistons end up with lebron’s future AND a rose-wade bulls team within the division, I’m gonna be super pissed.
I have a feeling they won’t sign Wade, I think there’s a better chance he’ll stay in Miami.
I’m worried about Chicago signing Carlos Boozer. He could be the low-post threat they’ve always needed, and he’d be an offensive force next to the defensive-minded Noah (a better pairing for Boozer’s skill set than Okur). Rose/Salmons/Deng/Boozer/Noah could be a scary squad in 2010-11.
by Mike Payne on Oct 26, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So we’re keeping Chucky and ridding ourself of the athlete Washington?
by Rob G on Oct 26, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Deron Washington:
This likely means any prince/rip trade will need to include a 2 guard to back up Gordon. And it could possibly mean a rip trade is less likely.
by Mike Payne on Oct 26, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am very confused about waiving Washington. Clearly, Jod feels like he needs to have another point guard and wants to have the flexibility of a 14 man roster. But, why on earth does he feel likes he needs another point guard when it means waiving an intriguing young athelete? Unless he will go with a 13 man roster and waive Chucky too. Very curious! Could something be brewing?
by Waulie on Oct 26, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Weird. Especially with the whole youth movement and not being too concerned about winning right away, this surprises me. I haven’t been paying too much attention to Chucky this preseason, but he wasn’t doing anything much, was he? I would like to think its a precursor to something, but how would that put us in a better position to get someone? Unless they will both end up being released so we can take back more players.
by Drew on Oct 26, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So long Deron. It was nice hoping you’d get some slam dunk shots for us.
by Garrett on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, really? Dumars is confusing the hell out of me with letting Washington and Afflalo go like that.
And as earlier pointed out- We kept Chucky Atkins over Deron Washington?
by Skylar on Oct 26, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HA HA HA HA! SEE! FOOLISH DETROIT BAD BOYS. YOU MOCKETH US, AND WE TAKETH AWAY! DERON OF WASHINGTON WILL FLY HIGH ELSEWHERE THIS SEASON!
by THE BASKETBALL GODS on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, humble myself before the Basketball Gods.
by Rob G on Oct 26, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You’d think Joe would keep him if for no other reason than to use him as a part in a trade. (See complaints about Afflalo, Amir trades)
by Drew on Oct 26, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m now waiting for the other shoe to drop. There is no way they waive D. Washington without having something in the works. It just doesn’t make any sense. I’ll reserve judgement until then.
If nothing materializes within a few weeks or so I’ll then deem this an absolutely pinheaded move.
by Sean W. on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love chemistry-altering trades in the first few games of the season!
Actually, I am really hoping for a trade.
by Drew on Oct 26, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Chucky is waived before the season starts, I have to believe a trade is forthcoming.
If Chucky is still on the roster, than this move will never make sense. Ever.
Both Chucky’s and Washington’s contracts were non-guaranteed, correct?
Huh?
by Waulie on Oct 26, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss the part where Washington did anything? Chucky’s a vet and backs up a position that we have some short comings at (long rang shooting). Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not here to prop up Chucker, but I don’t understand the sense of loss over Washington. This isn’t the same category as AA (high character rotation player) or Amir (still valued for his upside). Summers must have out performed him.
by Craig on Oct 26, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So early to tell with Deron. Peronally I wasn’t ready to dump the guy.
by Skylar on Oct 26, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just had this dream of having a Detroit Piston Dunk Champion. That kid would have won it. Like multiple times. Just the most ridiculous hops I’ve ever seen. Oh well.
by Joel on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he would’ve made it in, but probably never won it… The judges and fans are deadset against a Detroit Piston achieving any kind of title, even a dunk trophy.
I wanted a mean dunker and a shotblocker, I thought he could’ve done both, like my man said, Oh well.
by Skylar on Oct 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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