Theories on Bandwagon Fans
Patrick Hayes of MLIVE brought up a very interesting question the other day: Do the Pistons suffer from bandwagon-ism worse than any team in Detroit? This stems from the extremely sparse crowds at the Palace thus far this season. Just nine months ago, the Pistons were in the middle of a franchise record, 259 games, sell-out streak.
Matt Watson at DBB responded to this piece saying you can't overstate the importance of the economy and where people would rather put their money. I wanted to comment on both, but figured I'd save it for a full post since my response is somewhat lengthy. Bandwagon fans is something that always gets under my skin, more than anything else, so I wanted to talk about it and see what you think. After the jump.
Here's my take on the four major sports in Detroit: The Lions selling out for all those years despite not being any good is tough to put a finger on, but it's most likely because they only play once a week. Now it seems people are rebelling and flat-out sick of the losing, plus the economy in Michigan is especially woeful. Before 2006, the Tigers couldn't sell out a game unless it was Opening Day, a weekend match up on a nice day, and/or against a popular opponent. The Pistons' sell-out streak didn't start until the middle of 2004 when they were on the road to a 'ship. It ended in the middle of the "down year" last season. The Red Wings attendance, meanwhile, has been very steady over the past 20-years. In all sports, attendance is usually announced as being higher, sometimes a lot higher, than the actual turnout. This kind of validates Matt's points that fans are more likely to attend a game where there is a great chance of being entertained and seeing their home team win.
I don't think attendance is the only place we should be looking when trying to decide who are the bandwagon fans, though. I think it's a sign, but it's so tough to gauge given all the variables, most of which Matt brings up in his post. In this day and age, it can be surprisingly easier to see who the bandwagon fans are via technology. I remember in 2006 how many friends I never knew even liked the Tigers were all of a sudden putting up "Let's go Tigers" Facebook statuses, or messages of that nature.
Now that I have this blog, I notice a strong difference in page views on nights and the days following the Pistons losses (less), wins (more), and when big transactions occur (usually more). The non-bandwagon fans are the ones who come back daily no matter what happens.
Brgulker on DBB commented about how no matter what the state of the Pistons is, he'll always make comments and weigh in with his thoughts. I don't think that's true for bandwagon fans, although you can also get a feel for the fairweather fans by the type of comments they post; i.e., overtly negative remarks when things are bad and "OMG this team is awesome" when times are good. I'm also starting to see signs of it in the way fans tweet on Twitter.
Another commenter on DBB, Matt M, made a good point about geography, too. Detroit for a lot of people might be closer than the Palace, which is in Auburn Hills. Personally, I'm in Atlanta for law school. I pride myself on being a die-hard Detroit sports fan and, obviously, geography restricts me from attending as many Detroit games as I'd like. I used to attend double-digit games for the Tigers and a handful of Red Wings, Pistons, and Lions games each year I was home. Now, I just try to catch any game I can, which is few-to-none. I'm sure there are plenty of die-hard Detroit fans who have the same problem, whether they were forced out of Detroit due to the economy or merely chose to do so for other reasons. This is another reason why low attendance is tough to automatically pinpoint that people are bandwagoning.
Of course, "bandwagon-ism" exists and that's just the reality of some teams' fans, or people who pretend they are fans. Sometimes it's as clear as day and other times it's blurry. It's pretty clear when a long time friend never had a Pistons t-shirt until 2004 or Tigers t-shirt until 2006. Someone I knew had never been to a Tigers game before 2006! It can get to the point where you just shake your head and let them be. It's a sad reality and it's tough to really wrap my head around.
What do you think?
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an interesting disucussion indeed...
To call someone a bandwagon fan who all of a sudden jumped on board the Pistons in ‘04 or the Tigers in ’06 to me is a irrelevant point. It’s when the fans get off the ride that they become bandwagon fans.
By the logic of calling someone who hadn’t loved a certain team all their life a band wagon fan automatically classifies me as a bandwagon fan. I had never watched an NBA game until ’04 or a Tigers game until ’06. I may have jumped on the ride but I have yet to get off. And let me say this, both these teams have tested my patience.
I’m not taking personal offense to anything you’ve said I’m just making my point….you’re not a bandwagon fan until you get off the wagon.
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by madpoopz on Nov 14, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point
I have no idea why you weren’t a fan before 2004 for the Pistons or 2006 for the Tigers, and who am I to say when a person should become a fan of a team?
When I said I had friends who had never bought t-shirts until 2004 for the Pistons or 2006 for the Tigers, I was writing that under the assumption they at least had somewhat of a general interest in their hometown teams, but had never showed their support before. Personally, if you have any interest in sports and have showed support for your hometown teams during the brighter times, then you better show a similar support when they’re going through tribulations.
My post wasn’t meant to accuse anyone or offend anyone here, I just think it’s a good discussion to have and if people want to defend themselves that’s fine, too. I take it that most of you are here because you are real fans, especially considering the Pistons aren’t supposed to be any good this year.
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by Packey on Nov 14, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Topic
It is funny to see some people all of a sudden like a team just because they are winning. I have been a New York Giants fan since 84 and a pistons fan the same. A true fan will be there win or loose. I respect all Detroit Lions fans that are still there. All Bandwagon riders what can you do about them but love to hate them, But i must say your a bandwagon fan the minute you jump off too..
by lartho6 on Nov 14, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cant Stand Bandwagon Fans....
….NO matter what team but the 2 points made above with the Tigers in 06 and the Pistons is 04 are great examples…..I was eatching the Tigers when they lost 119 games in 03 and the Pistons in the years before Hill……BOO TO ALL BANDWAGON FANS!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 14, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Red Wings for sure don't have THAT many bandwagon fans...
Even when they were HORRIBLE in the 70’s, they still would sell out consistently.
I myself am not a bandwagon fan. I have always been a fan of the Lions, and even though every week they lose I say to myself “I’m never watching a Lion’s game again”, I still come back every Sunday. Same with the Pistons and Tigers… Hometown teams are hard to bandwagon for me.
by ZWC11 on Nov 14, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Slightly different view
I am a Homer; I root for my home town teams. My dedication to each team is contingent on my interest in the sport they play in. Growing up I was a rabid NBA fan, now? Not so much. The hip hop culture has ruined the NBA in my opinion and I strictly watch the Pistons. Where as recent as 10 years ago I would watch any and all NBA that was on TV. Football has taken over my sports consciousness, the Lions are a 24/7/365 thing for me. Have been since I graduated high school in 99. Baseball and Hockey are pretty much the same for me. I watch the Tigers and Wings, won’t catch me watching a game featuring 2 other teams. Except the NHL playoffs, where I will watch any and all games. I follow MSU football and basketball year round. And won’t watch much college sports if they don’t have a Spartan in them. Will watch UofM with my family who are fans.
Now, I disagree that you can tell a bandwagon fan by attendance. Growing up my parents didn’t have the money to take me to sporting events. Factor in we lived an hour and a half away, which is a huge financial splurge for a family of five. Now at 29, I will attend normally one game for each team a year. Could I afford more? Yes, but live events don’t really appeal to me. Crowds are not something I like to deal with, driving in event traffic is excruciating. I do have my fan swag and wear it prominently, watch the games in HD with my beer that doesn’t cost $8.00 a cup.
Blogs are another way you said you could tell who bandwagon fans are. I disagree again. I read blogs about my favorite team’s everyday, but post sparingly. For one thing there are a lot of "internet tough guys" who don’t know what the hell they are talking about, and there is no sense in engaging in debate with these individuals. But for the most part a lot of time what I would contribute has already been covered by someone else. And I don’t need my 2 cents added if there is no need.
All in all I do think people are more apt to follow different teams now with advancements in TV, and news coverage. For example a fan in California can follow the Pistons as well as a fan that lives in Jackson, Michigan. You couldn’t do that 10-15 years ago. And as a fan if you do not agree with the direction of a team (as I don’t, with the Pistons, or didn’t with the Lions when "he who must not be named" was here) you can follow another team if you are inclined to do so. But that’s not me. I am a true Homer, feast or famine.
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by Leapin Lion on Nov 16, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
BLA BLA BLA
What did you just say.? Please explain you comment about the hip hop culture ruined the NBA. it is your opinion you sound like a racist .
by lartho6 on Nov 16, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is..
I believe with the advancement in technology people are able to follow and root for teams that are not in their home market.
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by Leapin Lion on Nov 16, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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So what does THE HIP HOP CULTURE has to do with the advancement in technology and allowing people to follow and root for their teams even though they live in another city or state. And Where is the NBA runied? Lets look a little deeper dude before you speak nonsense and ask your govenors mayors and other political officials. Matter of face you need to look up THE DUNKADELIC ERA in June. and see what Hip Hop has done for The NBA matter of fact its been doing since you was 1 so next time before you say something ignorant speak what you know. thats whats wrong with the american culture now is that we are so ignorant and speak before we actually learn.
by lartho6 on Nov 17, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Where is the NBA ruined?"
Their hemorrhaging money, salaries caps have plummeted, teams are unable to sell out their respective venues, and owners are dumping all-star caliber players because they cannot afford to pay them. Stern has taken out Loans from the government to pay the bills; TV ratings are at an all time low. Need I go on?
I wasn’t going to get into a debate with you, because obviously you are the one who does not know what you’re talking about. The players do not earn their money, even Michael Jordan can be quoted as saying the players these days have everything handed to them. It’s a me first generation, and they have diluted the NBA with an influx of young fundamentally challenged players. Hell, they just added a new “2 step” rule because the players don’t know what traveling is.
In my opinion the hip hop culture shows a serious lack of morals. It exploits women, drugs and alcohol abuse. And as we all know rap “superstars” haven’t been the most upstanding citizens. “Mo money, mo problems”
As for you labeling me a racist, I’m sure my background would debunk that truly horrible label. Being that my mother is African American and father is Irish I am most certainly not a racist. If you want a true lesson on what racism is I’m sure my grandfather could give you a lesson. Being born in the 40’s my grandfather had to endure one of the most volatile time periods to be an African American male. He could assure you that with government programs now; like equal opportunity employment, special scholarships, and especially a bi-racial man in the white house, racism is not as prevalent in our culture as what it has been.
So, my narrow minded friend let’s keep this to sports.
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by Leapin Lion on Nov 17, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stern
Like i said do some research, Just like every business in american as of 2004 have been in a decline of sales and revenue. ticket renwal rate was down from 79% to76%. and as far as tv rating the finals tv rating was down from last year and the main reason why is because everyone wanted to see the cavs and lakers in the finals which is up from when san antonio played in the finals 2 years ago, which is not at a all time low, as far as league revenue league wide it rose 2.5 %. Salary cap dropped because of the economic struggles that every amercian is facing. Just like the regular working wage which goes up as the econmy grows so does every other wage. Wether its NBA or MD. And of coarse michael jordan will say that they have things handed down to them now just like bill russel said the same thing about michael jordan, but at some point they had to do some work to get where they are ask your AFRICAN AMERICAN if you have it easy now or was it always this easy in the 40’s A narrow mind friend would say that the HIP HOP culture has runied the NBA, where in the hell does HIP HOP have a hold on the ticket sales. i dont see anyone saying i dont wanna go to the games cuz hip hop is all over the nba. And who is the blame for a ME for Generation. HIP HOP? now i shall also add since you decided to add your extra comment that wasnt needed for the blog about bandwagon jumpers you need to keep this to sports next time you decide to comment about something. Who isnt getting loans from the goverment. And in closing since 2004 David Stern took a great stand and decided to make sure all of his players would not be a challenged player like you so call them. They must be in apporiate clothing which is a jacket and tie. And also be as positive as possible and must attend a class on how to hold themselves in public. even when lebron acted up in the playoffs and didnt shake anyones hand he sure got a call from david stern. Focus my narrow minded friend.
by lartho6 on Nov 17, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no arguement here.
You attempted to label me a racist, where there was no intent in my original post. I am not going to list the numerous violations by current NBA players because it would not accomplish anything. If you feel as though I am narrow minded, well that’s your opinion.
My original post was to state the reason why interest has waned in certain areas of sports media. I believe I clearly expressed my opinion. And curiously in my 3 paragraphs of rambling you came to the conclusion I was racist, by one sentence. If that’s not a shallow outlook on life, I don’t know what to tell you.
If you’re a Pistons fan hopefully we will be able to discuss the good and bad of the upcoming season in an adult manner as fans. Tonight is particularly sweet because the Pistons and Spartans both have good games. But I will not comment on this subject again, I have said my piece.
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by Leapin Lion on Nov 17, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Over Half
of the NBA player have grew up around Hip Hop and its culture and that all comes with kids growing up in project homes and signle parent homes not having the finer things in live and seeing artist having things that kids idolize and want so what do they do mock what they see. And would rather try to do what they see others are doing to become rich and famous. Which the fastest way in their mind is Sports or Music. And with all the NBA has done to allow hip hop into the nba and still have their players uphold a certain image i think the nba has been a great tool to show america that people can change and be sucessful. I havent seen a NBA player get in any trouble like the NFL or NHL or Baseball league has. (drugs, dogfighting, murder, robbery, etc..) The last thing that the NBA had a problem with was the fight that happened in Detroit. Oh Did i say in Detroit. wow and how did it start oh ya a fan decided to act a ass. And help his team and throw a beer at a already heated player. Oh boy the NBA is so destroyed now because of the hip hop culture. Go Detroit Fans.
by lartho6 on Nov 17, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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