Clippers @ Pistons Game Thread

To my knowledge the Clippers are the only team to have their announcer suspended this season.

I thought it was a real shame because Lawler and Smith are the best thing about the Clippers.

Remember: First to 100 wins, its the law

Assuming that either team gets to 100 tonight

I see where the Pistons actually let Maxiell shoot some in their last game.

This guy’s game has definitely devolved since Flip got the the old heave ho.

I would suggest the Pistons trade him now, but I think that he is a Stone for life, at least his NBA life. Kind of a poor man’s Jeff Foster.

If they need another player, I could suit up.

I here this guy is available

@Mike:
I would suggest the Pistons trade him now, but I think that he is a Stone for life, at least his NBA life. Kind of a poor man’s Jeff Foster.

So in short, basically you’re suggesting that we TRADE MAXIELL NOW?

Man I’m so happy, Gordon’s ankle doesn’t look serious and Daye is getting the start!
http://twitter.com/detpistons

As I pointed out before, starting Bynum really makes no sense to me. You have zero bench presence, and you lose a lot of size and shooting ability from your backcourt and most importantly you lose a lot of ball movement. With a good zone (which shouldn’t be too tough against the Clippers, they’ve got as little outside shooting as we do with their injuries) this lineup can be as good or better than our more conventional lineup.

The semi-silver lining to all these injuries is the rooks getting some PT. But jeez, arguably the Pistons best three players are out.

I find it strange that nobody comments on Rip’s ankle sprain. Isn’t it the worst sprain ever? Did he break his ankle???? We could use a shooting guard right now…

I can’t say that I’m anxious or happy to see all the rooks playing, because the circumstances are nasty.

But, it ought to be interesting to see what the young guys are made of.

I sincerely hope that we milk CV tonight. We gotta get some inside scoring.

shit, can anyone remember the last time the Pistons started two rookies??? if anyone has the details, i’d love to know.

despite being pissed that we lost gordon (yet another injury) im actually looking fwd to seeing how stuckey and CV respond… hopefully they show that they can carry the load

oh and anti-nellie ball should be fun haha, daye starting at the 2

I think I just saw LawyerBoy in the stands in a Clippers uniform right behind Dunleavy.

that Baron Davis call is one that Stuckey never gets going to the hoop.

we’re getting out of stuckey what i’d hope we’d get, and bynum looks like he could have a bounce back game
we need to use CV though

Blaha said a few minutes ago that Kander claims Rip’s ankle is at 90-95%, so it sounds like he’s almost there but they’re playing it pretty cautiously.

The last time the Pistons started two rookies: Lindsey Hunter and Allan Houston on April 24th, 1994. Thanks, George!

Jonas!

Man, when a guy like Steve Novak checks into the game, how do you not just take it right at him every single time? Look at the guy!

for those not watching the game, Blaha just answered my question from above. The last time the Pistons started two rookies together? April of 1994.

A call, finally.

@ Garrett … he was talking aout bynum’s ankles, not rip’s

@mannie32: Ah, that sucks. I thought for sure they were talking about Rip. I’m worse than TMZ!

The Clips shot 62% in the first and only managed to tie us. With any luck, they’ll regress to the mean.

However, one thing I notice about the Pistons is they don’t pass with purpose. All passing is done in hopes that something works, not because someone spots a mismatch. When a pass is made for a reason, either it’s for a jump shot (which have been going in this game,) or it goes off a fingertip and out of bounds.

Jonas the offensive killer!

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDE

lol @ being worse than TMZ

lol, loving these Swedish fans

any links? rwb is blocked

http://www.atdhe.net/5549/watch-los-angeles-clippers-vs-detroit-pistons

If it disappears, just refresh it in a few minutes because it’ll come back.

Will is having a bad shooting night again, but he has done a very good job distributing the ball.

@ Mike… agreed, they need to show up at more games if jerebko is gonna continue playing like this

Man, CV sure looks like Sheed when he shoots his 3’s.

Daye at the 2? Let the Longball era begin! When Tay is healthy again put him back in starting at point guard. The team doesn’t run anyway so why not?

Bynum looks to be back up to speed tonight, he’s flashing all over the place. Zach I agree, I noticed especially with Stuckey, he never really seems to spot mismatches or pass into the paint. It always seems just hand it off to the guy next to you. So while the ball is moving and everyone touches it, it doesn’t really open anyone up. The Cavs in the first quarter spanked us and showed what real ball movement is.

On a side note, does anyone else find it funny that FSN points out Bynum and CV for their scoring, and yet they are a combined 7 of 20 for 19. I would have definitely pointed out Stuckey and Jerebko, they’re shooting 11 of 17 for 24.

The Clippers should trade Steve Novak. He’s a good offensive player and he’s just eating pine on a team with Kaman, Camby, and Blake Griffin. The guy has a career 60TS% and he barely gets any run. Trade him to Detroit for a plate of leftover turkey.

Bur bur bur bur bur bur vbur

Why no free throws for the Stones?

Tuuuuurrible foul on JJ.

what the fuck? Why do the refs hate Jonas? He can’t even stand around without being called for a foul

austin daye seems to play better at the two…

yeah the refs pullin out some bs

Can we bring back the replacement refs? At least they were consistently calling bullshit calls on both sides.

Man, Ben Wallace is playing like he’s 26.

That was a CRAZY offensive board.

Man Stuck has caught fire.

But can you imagine, how bad would we be without Ben Wallace?

As much as I hate Stuckey’s head-down drives, he really does get smashed almost every time he goes to the rim.

Why can’t the Pistons get those calls?

Are you fucking kidding me? How do we have 6 free throws to their 20?

rod-NEEEEY… sssssssssstuckey!

chucky atkins sighting!

Man, what is it with all these fouls?

Does Austin Daye remind anyone else of those Kamino cloners from the second star wars prequel? His arms are impossibly long.

Also, I’m pretty sure Baron Davis is the bastard child of an Egyptian Pharaoh and Abraham Lincoln.

whats the point spread on this game hehe

any other link?

Hustle hustle hustle, no one can shoot a damn but, lots of hard work.

this wouldn´t be a goal tend with lebron blocking the shot

Our players should’nt have to sign hundreds of autographs b4 a game.

www.p2p4u.net

@ scntfc hahahaha i swear i was thinking the same damn thing

did FSN like forget the game is playing?

seems like fox sports detroit is having dicknicle tefficulties. anybody watching a stream still getting the game?

yea wtf is going on here?

MF Feed

Dayum! Gerald Wallace just had a conniption fit against the clippers. 31,14.

hey go to nba.com and you can get the audio feed, its free but you have to sign up (no credit card required)

seriusly wtf is going on??

pistons now down by 5, according to Rick Mahorn refs are still making bad calls

If a basketball game is being played, but nobody can see it, does it really happen?

I have three, and they are all down. :(

im pissed… i pay for league pass and i cant see shit, why fuck up the 4th quarter too… complete bullshit

pistons now down by 5, according to Rick Mahorn refs are still making bad calls

In other news, the sky is still blue.

:)

Two great plays from Stuckey to Jerebko, 86-84, JJ has a free throw coming up

It’s ok, I just watch the game for the commercials anyways. And that shot of the automotion dancers’ asses earlier.

according to yahoo sports’ boxscore i missed a stuckey to jerebko alley-oop dunk? fuck this!

Fox Sports is pissing me off.

I am loving Jerebko tonight! He’s got our last 7

did anyone see Bosh curl up into the fetal position when pierce dunked on him?

Bosh was just trying to go to his happy place.

league pass is brutal…. how can they just not show the 4th

jerebko hits a 3!!!! (but again i didnt get to see any of this)
really pissed, have i said that already? i stayed home on a friday night to watch 3 quarters of basketball??

It must be a problem with the camera’s at the palace, because neither fox or nba has a working feed (unless if league pass just takes the fsn feed?)

league pas takes from the fsn feed… but still

Im pretty angry that I can’t see the arrival of Jonas Jerebko.

I’m angry that we’re down because of a big free throw disparity

And of course the only fouls Stuck seems to get from these refs is the offensive kind.

so what exactly is the fox showing?? on league pass they just sent it to this boxscore screen that they put on during halftime
curious as to what the fuck fsn is showing on their feed?

A replay of their Chuck Daly special.

footage of sheed shooting two 3 balls at once, now they’re on a chuck daly pistons in focus rerun

FSD is showing random Pistons clips, interviews, etc.

Mickey was on a second ago saying they had lost their signal from the Palace.

assholes… im probably equally pissed that according to the boxscore we’re losing now, and could potentially lose to the clippers… oh how this friday night has turned sour

At least Jerebko is finally getting some decent calls from the refs. It seems that even if he just stands around, he’s called for a foul

JEREBKO!!!!

WTF??? FSN is linked to the Palace screen? What’s going on???

make some noise!

my 95 yr old great aunt is prolly banging her cane on the side of the tv wondering what the hell is going on

Finally, feed is back up!

About time we start seeing decent passes from Stuckey too.

Hahaha I think they may have hooked it up to the Palace screen… crafty bastards

DAMMIT THEY CUT TO COMMERCIAL JUST AS THE AUTOMOTION DANCERS WERE GONNA SHOW US THE GOODS

league pass still hasnt caught the feed for some reason…

WOO PALACEVISION

Im watching it on league pass Mannie

Wow, amateur hour on Fox Sports Detroit.

Ugh, horrible decision will

just got back over heree on my league pass too… sweet

His name is Jonas. he’s the new amir.

Gosh, I can’t even see the scoreboard on this lousy FSD coverage.

BEN WALLACCCEEEE!!!!

YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Finally, legit ball movement!

Jonas with the nice bounce pass to big ben

JJ is doing everything I thought he was capable of.

I think he’s going to prove to be an enormous steal as a 2nd rounder.

Jonas for PG!

Are you making noise? Cause I am.

MAKE SOME NOISE
LOL

MAKE SOME NOISE!!!

palace vision is gonna give me a seizure

MAKE NOISE NOW!!

And of course, they missed an entire Clips possession. Good God, I’m actually paying for this lousy coverage.

ugh.

hahahahaha make some noise baby!
i hope we pull this one out, or i may be suicidal tonight between a loss to the clippers and missing out on much of the 4th quarter including alley-oop pass by stuckey

ughh….. it sucks sucking..

Why does Kaman pick tonight to be unbelievable?

okay where is my gun?

enjoyable for who?

Whoa, fire in the truck! Love to see Kaman playing well as a fellow Chippewa, but not against my Pistons. When this team is healthy, look out.

I bet that when we trade for Kaman he will go ahead and suck ass.

Man, all I can say is…

TRADE REFS NOW!

I tell you, at least the replacement refs gave both sides a lot of free throws. The free throw disparity was 21-6 at one point, if you even that out, Detroit would have had a solid 10 point lead and cruised through the fourth.

Hey all, just got home and checked out the box score (and turned on the game…ugh). I see JJ got 22 points. wow. Has he been really good? 8-11 and 4-4 from beyond the arc says he did extremely well. Also 16 boards from Ben is nice, but I see that Bynum had another horrible shooting night. Did Bynum look slow again?

Man, Stuck only managed 2 FTAs tonight … with as much as he attacks the rim, it’s amazing he doesn’t shoot more FTs.

might be too late (for this season anyway) by the time everyone gets healthy… they havent even given a timetable for the return of rip and tay, and who knows about gordon… this is as low as it gets, unless ur the nets
fuck

but i agree, at least for next season we know we have some nice pieces if we stay healthy

“Has he been really good?”

Yes. Very good.

dunno how the fans at the palace could be all smiles… im definitely not in the best of moods right now

“dunno how the fans at the palace could be all smiles… im definitely not in the best of moods right now”

They got to see the fourth quarteR?

Anybody else think will has been attempting way to many cuts to the basket?

Cody,

Bynum didn’t appear slow to me. But he sure didn’t shoot well. I suspect it’s linked to not having 100% springs

When are we getting Rip and Tay back?

JJ was unbelieveable. CV on the other hand, was meh at best. He needed to step up and instead dissappeared. Ohh and lets not forget how Stuckey basically camped out in Camby’s forearms and yet got just one foul call.

Bynum was actually very quick tonight. His problem is that teams have figured him out. I said this earlier, I don’t think he can be a franchise player because he’s just a slightly quicker version of Stuckey that is new to most teams and is a much better finisher as a result. As it is, I think Rodney has a better midrange jumpshot and he will continue to get better. Will on the other hand is in his prime.

Is it good or is it bad that I still feel good about this team after 7 straight losses?

Thisss suuucksss

I still feel great about this team. They at least try, which is better than some of the mail-it-in half-hearted performances we saw from the old crew.

From what I’ve heard, Gordon should be back in 2-3 games.

If that’s the case, I think I’d rather have Daye start in his place. Gordon will be much more effective against other team’s bench players, not to mention no one will be able to shoot over Daye. He did a pretty damn good job on defense if you ask me, so really, unless if he’s going up against someone of Wade’s strength or Ray Allan’s mobility, he should be fine.

The spacing was great tonight, anyone with a decent post game could have dominated. Bynum and Rodney even had a very surprising 16 assists despite how little offense they had to work with.

It’s tough going right now. Ask a team to lose 3 of their top 3-4 players and see what happens. My fear is this: that we’ll bury ourselves early, make a late push and either barely scrape in or end up with the 13th or 14th pick in the draft. We’re getting pretty close to a crossroads to which way our season is going to head. Is it already a lost season, where rookies will play heavy minutes and veterans will be either reduced or traded? Or do we wait and see what this team can do healthy and make moves accordingly?

It’s going to be a tough call for Dumars, because at 5-11, this team is only ahead of 3-4 teams in the league. We’re just as close to the bottom of the league as we are the 8th seed, and it might not be worth it. On the flip side, does Dumars want to tell his team it’s OK to tank and that their hard work isn’t going to be rewarded? It’s potentially demoralizing to a team, especially one that works hard like this one does.

Decisions, decisions. I do not envy Dumars here, because he’s already taken heat for some of his more recent deals.

I don’t think Daye does a good job defensively, but he looks like a very capable offensive player.

What I hope they can take from this game is that if they (our pgs) show some confidence in our rooks (by passing them the ball from time to time) and the rooks can find some confidence in themselves (by taking the open shot) good things can happen.

Kriz: I feel pretty good about them too. The effort is refreshing, and the record would be a lot better if it weren’t for some bad breaks/calls/luck.

Amazing that we got such high ast. #s from our pgs when JJ was the only one who could fill it up. take away him and Ben, and our team shot 25-3% for the night. And yeah I like the thought of Daye starting over BG… at least on an experimental basis.

30%

We got screwed by the refs tonight. In other news I managed to yell at some dickheads in front of me :)

It also feels like defenses are finally adjusting and planning for Will Bynum, which is partially why he’s struggling right now. The injury obviously doesn’t help.

I don’t like the thought of Daye starting over BG at all. Why would anyone do this? Daye is an unproven rookie with decent looking offensive skills, but Ben Gordon has been a monster for us, dominating games all by himself. Sure, he could score against the other team’s bench, but I’d rather have him score against the other team’s starters while Daye cheers from the sidelines for now. Daye would get lit up by a lot of savvy SG vets, even though his arms are 17 feet long.

BG often gets lit up by other shooting gaurds as well. other than Bynum, our second unit is kinda lackluster offensively. this would at least alleviate some of the pressure that he’s been getting lately.

And yeah I like the thought of Daye starting over BG… at least on an experimental basis.

facepalm

Asking BG to come off the bench is like asking Iverson come off the bench! I mean, look at his resume! We talkin’ bout starting, man. Starting.

facepalm

good logic.

i think that once rips back bg should come off the bench, but behind daye, well that just seems kinda silly. daye doesnt provide an upgrade on offense or defense. if we had a defensive minded sg to start, like afflalo or dahntay jones then i would agree but daye wont be setting any sort of tone on o or d and will get burned by any sg that is stronger or quicker and there is quite a few of those.

@scntf:
facepalm

good logic.

super cool comeback bro. daye over bg187911bbq is not a smart idea, hence the facepalm.

i concur

Uh, starting Austin Daye? Starting Summers?

What is DBB coming to?

Our starting five as is has limited offense. When Gordon gets back, it will get better. To bring BG off the bench when he’s healthy and start Daye gives us only 2 legitimate scorers in the starting lineup.

It will not work.

I agree with the idea that watching this year’s team lose 6 in a row is much more enjoyable than watching last year’s team win 4 in a row. All the hustle and heart is awesome, even if we are losing. Last year, somehow even the wins were depressing. I haven’t had this much fun watching basketball since we won in ’04.

Being that Daye started this game, and that Jerebko did exceptionally well offensively. Makes it that much more logical for BG to come off of the bench.

Bynum’s game suffers tremendously when he is the only scoring option off of the bench. BG has started how many games? and we have won how many games during that stretch?

It appears to me that “some” of our fellow DBB posters have subscribed to the adage that repeating the same mistakes will produce different results. How many games do we have to lose before someone says this is getting old?

We’ve been losing games. Bynum needs another “vet” on the second unit. time to try something new. We may even get a few breakout games from some of our rooks. just ask JJ.

I am all for bringing BG off the bench…when Rip gets back. Before then, we will start him (if he can play). No question

Whether the pistons have BG starting or coming off the bench may not make much difference the way he plays,as long as the rookies are showing progress I say play them .Were rapidly approaching the point where we need to focus on next year ,we need to keep Daye in the starting 2 spot until Rip’s back ,bringing BG off the bench ,where he belongs unless Rip’s traded,will get us started on building the bench we’re eventually gonna roll with .Were not going anywhere this year we might as well look to the future.

When the luck runs out … it really runs out for Detroit.

Whoever says this basketball is more exciting than the years prior to last year … needs therapy.

Rodney Stuckey still hasn’t developed an outside shot, and teams know he’s going to the hoop. It’s year 3, 16 games notched, and I’m wondering if Rodney will ever be more than a 25-30 mpg bench star … a 2nd Microwave.

Qualification: Losing this year feels better than treading water with AI last year because that guy is only surpassed by players like LeBron and Jordan for the Douchebag Kingdom. AI was a Prince of Douches.

Sauce +1…remember when we won seven in a row, John Hollinger called it the “worst seven game winning streak of all time” ?

The present really sucks right now, but the future is looking pretty good.

On the bright side, at least when Gordon says he’s willing to come off the bench, he’s not lying through his teeth.

“We’re not going anywhere this year we might as well look to the future.”

Especially since we can’t buy a game by sticking to protocol. at this point any experiment is a good experiment. In JJ’s post game the key thing he said was he built up some confidence.22 and 5 in 34 minutes? 4-4 from outside 8-11 overall. confidence works wonders for rookies.
13 and 5 from Daye? better #s than what Butler put up.

Untill we are healthy as a team, Our best bet is to continue to put our rooks in situations that build confidence as opposed to playing lineups that “some” think will win games.WE HAVE NOT WON WITH BG STARTING. Come playoff time/next season it is all for naught if we cant depend on our bench due to them being timid, or issues with confidence.

I was looking at draft express’s mock draft, and I think this guy could be a second round steal
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Artsiom-Parakhouski-5690/

He’s averaging 25 and 15 so far and it looks like he’s played professional ball in europe before. He’s in a small conference, hence the low pick, but he’s got pretty good numbers against good competition – nothing jaw dropping, but hey, if we could snag him in the second round…

*my mistake, he’s from europe, but actually has very basketball experience. That changes things quite a bit, but he must have a good level of natural talent to put up these numbers.

@scntfc:
Bynum’s game suffers tremendously when he is the only scoring option off of the bench.

Simply not true. Bynum has his most productive stretches when he’s paired with the rooks, maxiell and kwame (see game flows: http://popcornmachine.net/?team=DET). His 1-on-1 game is his best skill set, and the other players on the court only effect spacing— ironically, MFWB finds holes no matter how tight the lane is.

BG has started how many games? and we have won how many games during that stretch?

This phrase always bugged me, but I can’t think of a better one: Correlation does not equal causation. BG has started one less game than CV, Stuckey and Ben Wallace. The one game he didn’t start is the only game this season that we’ve been 100% healthy.

Pinning these losses on Ben Gordon starting is like blaming a wheel when your engine dies.

On starting Daye over BG:
Unless injuries demand this, it is a terrible idea. I can’t believe I’d actually have to explain why— you’d have to look hard and deep to find any logic that supports starting Daye over our team’s absolute best player.

And if your concerns are about scoring options in our second unit, our problems are absolutely not in the backcourt.

how many games have we won with daye in the starting line up?

Just read that Gordon might be back tomorrow. Rip, on the other hand, looks to be out for a while.

@Mike Payne, good points. But again Bynum’s game has been suffering lately. What would you attribute that to? minutes? defenses being able to focus “solely” on him? Fatigue from feeling the necessity to carry?

Our losses don’t fall squarely on BG’s shoulders, it’s more of a team thing. Almost all of our games have been decided in the 3rd qtr. logisticly Ben coming off of the bench helps that cause in some way.

Bynum’s productivity may be good when paired with the rooks. but, usually he is the only one that is productive. Max has been spotty and Kwame has regressed for lack of a better term. Being short handed as we are the only way we will get some Ws is if we get production from the rookies. They have been most productive as starters.

dandresden,
yeah, un hunh, ok. Daye has started how many games? what kind of #s did he put up against the clippers? click on the box score for that game, look at the league avg for shooting gaurds. then present your case.
In your previous post you were talking about Rip. Now if Rip was back we wouldn’t even be in this quandry, now would we? what’s your point?

@scntfc:
But again Bynum’s game has been suffering lately. What would you attribute that to?

He’s had two bad games. Two bad games is too small a sample size analyze. There are way too many variables to account for and not enough data to show a meaningful trend— in five, six games, we might have something more to look at. If we worry about every two game stretch in which a player performs poorly, we’d need to start a new blog just to account for all that meaningless analysis.

I don’t think Rip will be back for a least another 2 weeks Tay probably a month.We can go back to starting BG and our back court will go back to carring us .On nights when 3 of the 4 of the group Stuckey,CV,BG and WB are on, we’ll win a few .If Qster can keep us playing solid defense we’ll be in every game ,but by the time we have everyone healthy we’ll be 8 to 12 games under 500 imop.Does putting BG back in the starting line up ,over Daye or whoever,give us the best chance to win,this year yes,but given the choice of hanging with teams stealing one now and then or moving BG to the bench rolling with Daye at the 2 and excepting the growing pains,I’ll take the latter.The fastest way is often the bumpiest path.

Maybe ben Gordon starting isn’t the reason we lost those games. Maybe its because we played 5 pretty good teams in a row. You think if we started daye and brought gordon off the bench that would have totally disrupted the other teams gameplans and got us the win? as for what I said about rip I believe i said that bg coming off the bench behind rip makes sense but starting date over him just doesnt make sense to me.

My point about starting Daye is , the #s he put up against the Clips are slightly above avg for shooting gaurds. It makes perfect sense that Daye would be more productive as a starter then he would a reserve because he is anchored by better players.

BG? It doesn’t matter where you put him. he is going to do what he does. He is an established player that knows his role and his #s will always be consistent.Too bad we don’t have a measuring stick at this juncture, but Daye seems like a better defender than BG. If Rip was healthy we wouldn’t be having this discussion. He has always been the obvious choice for SG.

“Maybe its because we played 5 pretty good teams in a row.”

and we will get beat by 5 more teams until we

1. get healthy
2. get production from our rookies. We have gotten that production when they have been able to start and build confidence. BG has shown that he can/will put up the same #s regardless of when he comes into the game.

The little Piston that never was…
"I never understand why people are still talking about me as the second pick," Milicic said. "But I never got a chance to play. Why take me as the second pick if you’re not going to play me for three years? They never let me get a chance. I still don’t get it … I never asked to be the second pick. I just wanted to play basketball."

http://www.interbasket.net/news/2009/11/28/darko-milicic-is-ready-to-return-to-europe/

Kind of off topic, but FSN lost the game feed last night when there was a fire in the production truck. Sometimes bad luck just hits…maybe this is on topic.

I actually have a Larry Brown autographed Darko jersey, how ironic is that.

dandresden

I think a big reason why we lost those 5 games is because of fatigue. I brought up playing Daye at the 2 back then as a way to take some stress off our guards minutes. I think we’d get the most production from Gordon going against the other team’s bench, however at this point our starting lineup has very little firepower. CV really needs to step it up, I’d like to see him averaging at least 20 points in this stretch.

Regardless of where you play Gordon, I think Daye should get at least 15 minutes a game at the 2. We simply can’t use the 3 guard lineup with only 3 guards; playing them 40 minutes on back to backs is why we were miserable in Portland and Phoenix. Phoenix we had no chance, but Utah looked winnable until the 4th. I believe Bynum and Gordon had a total of 6 turnovers in that quarter alone, that comes from pure exhaustion. And quite frankly Portland is above average this year, that should have been a much closer game. But once again, exhaustion was a big factor.

My main point is that we can’t play Gordon, Bynum and Stuckey 40+ every night. 37 or so should be the upper limit of average playing time, and Daye can help with that. Or we have to scrap small ball until Rip comes back, which might be a realistic idea. Our defense stinks and offense isn’t good enough to compensate. Perhaps with a higher tempo it would play to our strengths, but we just don’t get enough outside shooting to have 2 slashers.

@MP:

You probably shouldn’t engage people who write stuff like this:

I have no idea what that means.

Colin, maybe its your level of comprehension. being that you have brought nothing of merit to the conversation at hand. So let me break it down for you, because I stand by what I said.

someone insinuated that I cant blame BGs performance for our losses.

Almost all of our games have been decided in the 3rd qtr."
If BG doesn’t start and comes off of the bench, that means his/and the teams play will be that much more potent during the third. As several posters have mentioned the fatigue of him and other gaurds.

Logistics: the planning, implementation, and coordination of the details of a business or other operation.

BG being who he is, and his level of play within an alotted amount of minutes regardless of where he starts means that he would make our 2nd unit better as opposed to depending on Daye to do so.

Dude, nobody likes the grammar police, but proper punctuation and sentence structure makes it easier for your audience to understand your argument.

Also, I’m not really understanding how bringing BG off the bench would make us more potent in the third. Wouldn’t the starting SG play more minutes in the third? Or is your point that our guards would simply be more rested by having a 4th guard? That really has nothing to do with who starts, though, so I’m still confused.

This is the kind of unintelligible bullshit I’m talking about. Seriously, I think your 9th grade English teacher is crying in shame somewhere. And I realize that I’m being a dick, but I’m getting tired of reading this stream of consciousness nonsense. Put a little thought into your comments and most people will respond thoughtfully.

two words that work for this team: Tall Ball.

The opposite of small ball. I haven’t run the numbers but I’d be interested to see what the collective +/- is when you have stuckey or bynum matched up with daye, jerebko, CV, and Ben Wallace. I feel like going with tall ball has given us a really strong 2-3 zone since we have the length to cover the 3 while packing in the middle to prevent slashers, etc.

enjoyable though. The two swedish dudes in the stands were great. I wish I could have seen Jerebko’s dominance. Looking forward to tomorrow’s game.

@Colin:
You probably shouldn’t engage people who write stuff like this

Very, very good point.

“BG being who he is, and his level of play within an alotted amount of minutes regardless of where he starts means that he would make our 2nd unit better as opposed to depending on Daye to do so.”

—This is the kind of unintelligible bullshit I’m talking about. Seriously, I think your 9th grade English teacher is crying in shame somewhere. And I realize that I’m being a dick, but I’m getting tired of reading this stream of consciousness nonsense. Put a little thought into your comments and most people will respond thoughtfully.

Win, win, win. + 1,000. Beyond the incomprehensible language, it’s the “say dumb shit then skirt around the issue when someone calls you on it” that bugs me. DBB has always had a “no layups” rule when it comes to comments. If someone says shit like “you people secretly want dujuan summers to fail” or “it’s gordon’s fault, we should start daye instead”, someone better speak the hell up. If that shit goes unchecked, we might as well be a youtube comment thread.

who dat, captain kirk?

And the news keeps getting better my DBB friends. Three important players are out, the Hawks are in town to give us a good whupping, and small ball might be about to make it’s return.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091129/SPORTS03/911290465/1051/rss16

I don’t care what the logic is. Much like violence against women, there is no excuse for small ball. If we wanted to see that shit we could have left Curry in charge.

SadPanda:

Thanks for the link. While I thought Gordon might be back today, the “small ball” issue is more important. I don’t like small ball at all, and small ball with Tay at the 4 is THE WORST type of small ball. Worse, say, than Rip or Stuckey at the 3 for brief periods with two legit bigs — and I don’t even like that.

I guess you could say that having two many decent SFs is not the worst problem to have, but I would have thought we would have learned last year that a player — say, Tayshaun — can be very effective at the 3 but a liability at the 4.

Just more evidence of what everyone already knows: while Detroit has some very good players and some young’uns showing potential, the roster is seriously unbalanced and we need a trade.

P.S. Bonus points to SadPanda for the violence against women analogy.

From the quotes, it doesn’t seem Kuester is that into having Tay at the four spot. He basically says “Yeah, I guess, but we have to get him healthy first.” It sounds like speculation on behalf of the writer. The fact that Tay was just injured should play into it to. Thats a rough spot for him to play, especially if he got out of shape at all. I would rather put JJ out there as a big, since thats apparently what they want him to be eventually anyway.

Re: new Fanhouse post on ’What’s the matter with Portland?’

I definitely see Portland making a move after Dec. 15th when they can trade newly signed free agents. There are a ton of mix-and-match possibilities between Detroit and Portland that I think would help both teams. I don’t want to speculate on personnel mid-season but most of the trades would probably involve getting a true PG from Portland. Portland has too much depth on their team and Detroit has too little so I can see a 3-for-2 deal or 2-for-1 deal happening, with Portland getting slightly better ‘win now’ talent and Detroit getting either better potential and/or some cap flexibility in the near term.

I want a big man with a legit post offense game (and hopefully, some defense) way before I want a true point guard.

Small ball makes me cry, I have hated it when it is 3 guards and two bigs, I will hate it more if it is 3 guards, Tay and a big. I know this team is unbalanced but that is putting yourself in a position to lose. Terrible, just terrible.

The ideas being thrown around are kind of funny, some people suggest Bynum should start over Stuckey, others that Daye should start over Gordon and I just read a reporter suggest that Maxiell may start over Charlie. I think all of the above are bad ideas, but if you put it all together you got:

Wallace/Maxiell/Jerebko/Daye and Bynum…you hear that? That is the sound of our opponents shaking in fear.

@Toledo Joe:
I want a big man with a legit post offense game (and hopefully, some defense) way before I want a true point guard.

Aaaaaaagreed. Good thing we didn’t… make a trade for… boozer. walks away, hangs head in shame

Mike payne, I never said it was BGs fault. and I never skirted an issue. thats exactly why half of the posts in any given thread are between us going back and forth. At one point you said you would ignore me. a few threads back I asked you to do so.
Why pay any attention to something so diametrically opposed to what you think.

It’s not my fault that any opinion outside of your own is deemed incomprehensible. If I make 5 different posts, saying that we know what BG brings to the table, He’s gonna bring that where ever we put him, How is that blaming him? If I say that any unrealistic expectation on a player is a desire for said player to fail then what did I say wrong there?

I’m not here to hurl insults. it’s kinda childish.

we can go back and forth about intelligence all day, But in reality maturity is the issue at hand.

And wow, Boozer has 3.4 assists per game on the season— better than our starting Point Guard. In the last five, dude has put up 5 apg.

@scntf:
yet another facepalm — Colin was right, I give up.