Sniffin' Out the Rebounds: Pistons 94, Hawks 88
So this is what it feels like to recap a win? In the words of Larry David, "pretty, pretty, pretty good."
The Pistons put an end to their seven game losing streak today by defeating the 12-4, now 12-5, Atlanta Hawks 94-88 at the Palace of Auburn Hills. Detroit has now defeated Atlanta in 24 of their last 28 games played at the Palace.
Coach John Kuester unveiled a new starting lineup today to re-adjust to the loss of Ben Gordon and right the ship after losing their seventh straight game on Friday night, to the Clippers no less. Chucky Atkins and Jason Maxiell started in place of Austin Daye and Charlie Villanueva, providing the Pistons with a little more ferocity up front and a point guard so the talented Rodney Stuckey could play off the ball a little more.
And it worked wonders in the first quarter. Stuckey made all five of his shots en route to 11 points, giving the Pistons a two point lead after 12 minutes. He finished with a game-high 23 points and was still able to dish out eight assists. I don't know if this was a result of him starting at the two, but he played noticeably better today than in the other games this season.
Chucky Atkins had this to offer about Stuckey after the game:
I think today by me starting and by me running the squad, and just have him mainly think about scoring and put the pressure on an opposing team defense was great. He led us to a great victory, more importantly Will Bynum came out and gave us a huge lift and finished out the fourth quarter for us."
The major story though was the Pistons endless hustle and absolute domination on the glass. The Pistons nearly doubled the Hawks total rebound total, 53-27, and quadrupled them on the offensive glass, 24-6. Who said the Pistons would have problems on the glass this year?
Ben Wallace led the way with 18 rebounds, 11 offensive, to go along with his 10 points. Jonas Jerebko also had his first career double-double with 10 points and 11 rebounds. As a result of the Pistons tenacious rebounding, they managed to outscore the Hawks 60-38 in the paint and get to the line eight more times than the Hawks.
The Hawks hung around despite there being runs that made it seem like the Pistons would run away with this thing. They led by as many as 12 late in the game, but Atlanta worked the game back to within two with 25 seconds left in the game. Will Bynum was then fouled and knocked down both free throws to give him 11 points in the fourth quarter and extend the lead to four.
On the ensuing possession, Atlanta's Josh Smith came down and took an ill-advised three pointer that was corralled by Jerebko, which all but sealed the deal. Josh Smith is a big-time player, but I'd want the ball in Crawford (who hit two big threes earlier in the game) or Bibby's (3-5 from downtown) hands when needing a three (which was arguably not needed at that juncture). Smith led the Hawks with 23 points, seven rebounds, and five blocks.
Pistons improve to 6-11 with the much-needed victory. Bullets after the jump!
- Ben Wallace's damage extended beyond the boards: His hip broke Charlie Villanueva's nose. Charlie Villanueva was fouled by Zach Pachulia, which sent him crashing into Wallace's side and breaking his nose. Villanueva was able to stop the bleeding enough to allow him to knock down two critical free throws, but he was immediately replaced by Jason Maxiell. Villanueva will have the nose set tomorrow and his status for Wednesday will then be re-evaluated. CV31 says he'll tweet during his surgery and a mask is on the way.
- Jason Maxiell's play continues to strengthen. He's been a force on the boards and he's starting to knock down that jumper from the elbow with some consistency. He finished with seven points, six rebounds, and two steals in just under 30 minutes.
- Atkins wasn't very good today, but I still like him starting over Bynum. Bynum provides a spark off the bench like none other and don't think he's as scary or effective if he starts. Obviously, we won't know unless Bynum gets some starts, but that's just my opinion. I like Stuckey at the two, but not at the expense of starting Bynum and losing his impact off the bench. I'd be willing to test it out though. But with the win here today, I think the same starting lineup should take the floor on Wednesday. How's that cliche go? If it ain't broke don't fix it? Atkins was broke today, but the Pistons clicked as a whole.
- Kwame Brown seems to be very productive when he gets 15-20 minutes. I thought he had what was probably his strongest game this season even if his stat line only reads eight points and five rebounds. His usual clumsiness only resulted in one turnover and he made up for it immediately by hustling down the court and swiping a pass.
- Pistons kept Joe Johnson in check today, which will probably get overlooked in determining what went wrong for the Hawks today. He shot just 5-19 and finished with 10 points. If he hits a few more shots, the Hawks might walk away with an undeserving victory.
- Post game quotes
- Peachtree Hoops recap -- Hawks were lousy.
- Box score
- Highlights:
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I didn’t watch the game (college presentations are a pain to prepare for), but this seems to be a damned impressive win for us. The Hawks have, surprisingly, become one of the NBA’s elite this season (Nice to see old Piston’s assistant Mike Woodson seeing some success finally), and we beat them pretty handily from the sounds of it, with our three best players out, too. And, again, our defense is really doing it for us. We were supposed to get killed defensively when Joe made his big signings this summer. Who would have thought that a Swedish rookie and a washed up big man could do so much on the defensive end, am I right?
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 29, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
absolutely right
It’s been a pleasant surprise. I can’t imagine how deep this team is going to be once we get everyone healthy. It doesn’t feel like this team is 6-11, honestly.
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by Packey on Nov 29, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. If we hadn’t been hit with injuries to our two best players (and then to our third best player last game), we could have a winning record right now. When Rip and Ben come back, watch out.
By the way, besides the embarassing stat-line, how was Chucky? I doubt he was up to his old self that was, along with Barry and Ben, my favorite Piston. I read that Keuster said he is there more as a coach than a player (very believable. Of course, that is what we always said about Curry too…). Was a threat out there at all? Or did he just manage to take pressure off of Stuckey and Bynum? Either way, sounds like he had a better game than his stat-line would hint at.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 29, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he did fine
If you would have asked me how he did without looking at the box score I wouldn’t have guessed 1-7 or whatever he was. I thought he did a nice job of running the offense while he was in there, which allowed Stuckey and other guys to work off of screens. And like he said in his quote after the game, he’s a leader and his play will improve as long as he sees more minutes. I have to believe he’s definitely rusty a little bit.
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by Packey on Nov 29, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey is better at SG.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Dec 1, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to read to much into one game...
but Stuckey looked more natural as the 2 today. Might be worth noting for when some guards come back from injury. Possibly BG at point? Any thoughts on that Idea?
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by madpoopz on Nov 29, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's just one game
But I’d be lying if I haven’t been thinking about it, like you. He looked great at the 2 today and so naturally, I thought who would start at PG once BG and Rip come back. Unless they trade Rip though they are going to continue to plug Stuckey in at the 1 and hope it works out because they’d just be overwhelmed with SG’s otherwise. I don’t think Gordon would be better off at PG than Stuckey. In fact, I think I’d rather take the lumps with Stuckey than see Gordon dribble the ball off his foot five times every game.
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by Packey on Nov 30, 2009 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is a good point...
BG’s ball handling isn’t up to PG level. If over the next few games Stuckey continues to look really good at the 2, I think the possibility of a trade might become more likely. One not only looking for another big, but possibly including a point guard.
Stuckey I think is still our Point of the future. What I’m thinking now is that we might have thrown too much at him to soon in being the leader of this team. Maybe just not starting him at the point takes enough pressure off him mentally to be the 8 assist player we saw tonight.
But than again, all of this is just speculation….
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by madpoopz on Nov 30, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like the lineup change
Was at the game today. First of all, excellent recap Packey. Definitely agree that Chucky wasn’t very good, but that it seemed to help Stuckey to play the 2. His (Chucky’s) shot was off, but didn’t make many mistakes (only 1 TO). Not sure why exactly, but the offense seemed much more fluid today vs. other games I’ve watched. Decent ball and player movement. Seems like before we had a lot of standing around waiting for Bynum, Stuckey, or Gordon to do something. Also seemed like less settling for jumpers and more effort to get a better shot. Back to the guard situation. Interesting idea for BG at point. I really don’t like Stuckey there – too many bad shots/poor decisions, not enough assists (although I’ll admit he was pretty good today despite the 10-23 FG). I think he also struggles defending the smaller, quicker guards. I’ve noticed many comments in the past about trading Rip or Tay for a big guy. If Will continues to improve and Chucky can be a solid reserve or low-minute starter, what about trading Stuckey instead? I know it’s giving up youth, but I don’t think he is our point guard of the future. One last thing: is there any big takeaway from benching CV? Is Kuester trying to send a message? It seemed to work well today – was glad CV didn’t sulk and played quite well in the bench role.
by djs15 on Nov 29, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, djs15
And I appreciate you coming here and leaving your thoughts after attending the game.
I don’t think trading Stuckey is an option, and if it is, it’s not a very good one in my opinion. If I’m not mistaken, he’s our youngest guard and probably has the most upside to him should he continue to develop (which I personally believe he will). Now, whether he’s a point guard (or ever will be one) is a whole other debate I’m willing to argue. He definitely seemed to flourish today playing the 2 and not having his hands on the ball every time down the court, but it’s just one game of course. No matter what, he has a lot of raw talent still and could very well develop into an All-Star guard. He’s already shown flashes of it and I’m not willing to abandon ship with him in just his third season.
As for Bynum, I think he’ll always be at his best off the bench and I think he’s kind of hit his ceiling. He’s great, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think he can get much better than what he’s provided the Pistons in the past year and a half.
I don’t think Kuester was necessarily trying to send a message to CV that his play has been unacceptable of late. I think it might have been more of a depth and defensive thing. CV provides scoring off the bench that the Pistons lack with so many injuries now (2 bench players are starting for TP and RH and the leading bench scorer is out). And then Maxiell is probably more of a defensive presence. With Big Ben and Jerebko up front, and you add in Maxiell, you have three pretty solid defenders getting the game off on the right foot defensively so to speak. And then of course the Pistons were on a 7 game losing streak, they clearly needed to adjust something.
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by Packey on Nov 30, 2009 2:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pistons win over hawks
It was a win alright, but there were less passing by the pistons in the 3rd and 4th quarters. There were more dribbling by the guards that almost always milked the clock. CV, Jerebko and Maxiel seldom touched the ball as the guards had been on a shooting spree. Good thing, their defense held up. Otherwise, it would have been another monumental loss.
by joyax on Nov 30, 2009 3:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point...
In crunch time I think it’s our guards who should have ball in their hands. But if you have the lead, you can’t let your game become one dimensional. The other team needs to be kept honest.
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by madpoopz on Nov 30, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And it’s funny how that always shows in the box score. We were outscored 18-12 in the third quarter, so we weren’t just imagining that feeling.
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by Packey on Nov 30, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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