Does Dumars Have Something Up His Sleeve Involving Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell?
Trade rumors are going to hover over the Pistons as long as they have the aging, expensive contracts of Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince on the roster. With the team visibly getting younger and Dumars having said there are no sacred cows, these two are glaring trade bait should another team want them.
Hamilton was at the meat of the rumors before the season started because Detroit signed star shooting guard Ben Gordon. With the drafting of Austin Daye, the Tayshaun Prince rumors picked up steam, but both were predominantly squashed throughout the rest of the offseason and preseason.
When Hamilton didn't show up to practice the day before the opener, rumors of a potential trade resurfaced, only to be shut down again when he played so well with Ben Gordon and the other guards in the opener.
Then last night Tayshaun Prince's 496 consecutive games played streak mysteriously ended because he showed up with what the official Pistons twitter said was a "lower back strain." If that didn't raise an eyebrow or two, then I don't know what would. Prince has been so durable over the past seven years that he has played in nearly 500 straight games and then he just shows up with an injury that keeps him out? It certainly could happen, but warrants some skepticism.
Figure in that another piece mentioned in the offseason trade rumors, Jason Maxiell, was a coach's decision scratch and with no apparent reason given to the media (I can't find anything at least). I realize Jerebko and Wilcox appeared to pass him in the rotation during the preseason, but Maxiell was averaging 16 minutes in the first three games and wasn't playing poorly. Also, he's another big body that could have helped out with Howard last night (had Howard not been in foul trouble). Going from 16 minutes to zero minutes in a game where big bodies are a commodity and a starting forward is scratched before the game is pretty confusing.
HoopsWorld picked up on this and said the arena was "buzzing" with the possibility of a trade involving Prince and Maxiell, but claim Dumars "quickly shut down" any rumors:
The decision last night in Detroit to sit Tayshaun Prince who by all accounts could have played according to sources, was labeled a precautionary move related to a lower back strain according to the team. That did not stop the arena from buzzing about the possibility of a trade involving Prince and forward Jason Maxiell.
Dumars quickly shut down the notion of a trade saying the decision was about injuries, and that he had enough new faces.
The odds the Pistons open up to the idea of a deal increases if their young core continues to win without the veterans.
So what does everyone think? Did anyone else wonder this? Does Dumars have something in the works involving Prince and Maxiell? And if he does, who would be the trading partner?
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I'm not convinced
I feel like Joe D learned his lesson last season on what an early-season trade can do to the chemistry of a team. If anything, Tay’s injury may be more serious that the team is letting on (almost a Red Wings-like veil to the report).
If a trade does happen, I think Tay is the guy I would want to see be traded. The last few games have shown what Rip means to the offense (granted, the competition has been better too), and the Pistons drafted Prince’s clone in Austin Daye (literally). Maxiell is just one of the big bodies thrown in to sweeten the deal, though I’d rather see Kwame be traded because his deal expires after this year (not sure on Max’s contract, but I like him as a Piston).
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by handsomerob1 on Nov 4, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maxiell has four years left (including this year), $5 million each. Kwame is making $4.1 million this year.
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by Packey on Nov 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that the NBA required teams to accurately report injuries? The NHL doesn’t require it (too much hitting going on) so you get a lot of injury reports saying “Upper Body Injury” instead of “Sprained Elbow” or something. I was under the impression that the NBA forced teams to report accurate injuries or face possible punishment.
Maybe I’m wrong. Who knows.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good question
And I’m not sure either
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by Packey on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Portland
Portland is the likely trade partner for Tay. They’ve wanted him for a while, but I’m not sure who the Pistons could get in return.
by NBA Kays on Nov 4, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe something involving Aldridge who they just extended?
Tayshaun and Maxiell for Przybilla and Aldridge. It checks out according to the trade machine. We get some more cap space as well as a budding young big man in Aldridge and a decent backup center. Portland gets their coveted player (someone they wanted more than established stars like Odom and Turkoglu this summer) and a power forward they can develop alongside Odom.
Blake-Roy-Prince-Maxiell-Odom with Miller, Fernandez, Howard, Webster, Bayless, and Outlaw coming in off the bench. Would also give the Blazers one of the better on-ball defenders on the league which is an area they seem to be struggling. Not a bad team, if you ask me.
Not sure Portland would go for it, but if their interest in Tayshaun this summer when we were in talks to get Boozer was legit, this might work.
(That being said, not sure I would want to swap Tayshaun for Aldridge)
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 4, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that in a heartbeat
I’m a big fan of Aldridge. He’s a young big man who I think will end up being better than Greg Oden. Prince has played a lot of basketball since joining the Pistons. I think he’s starting to age. I would really like seeing Aldridge in that lineup.
Stuck-BG-Rip-CV31-Aldridge? That’s a dangerous starting 5 to have, with the possibility of developing Daye/Jerebko into that starting SF role and bringing BG off the bench.
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by handsomerob1 on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be really good. But I would bring Aldridge off the bench this season, and keep starting Ben.
Stuckey-Bynum-Atkins
Gordon
Rip-Daye-Jerebko
CV31-Kwame
Ben-Aldridge-Przybilla
Obviously, shooting guard would be a Stuckey, Gordon, Rip, and possibly Daye rotation. I think that would actually be really good, now that I am looking at it. Maybe even move Gordon to the bench, CV31 play the 3, and have Aldridge start at the 4 with Kwame backing him up. That would give Przybilla more playing time and would allow us to possibly move Wilcox.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Utah would be my guess.
they seem to be ready for ‘do something to do something’ mode.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2009 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Utah
I’m confused by Utah.
Obviously, they need to do something w/ Boozer. I just don’t know it they’d rather 1) let him walk in the summer 2) trade him for expirings or 3) trade him for a productive wing.
If 3 is an option, then Rip might be a possibility there.
by NBA Kays on Nov 4, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't the first ...
This isn’t the first Max DNP-CD. They happened regularly under Flip and regularly under Curry. My suspicion is that it has more to do with Max’s habitual inconsistency and less to do with a potential trade.
Anyway, I wouldn’t mind seeing Max dealt for something better, but I think it’s best to be skeptical in this case.
by brgulker on Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've never thought much of Maxiell...
5 million is alot for a guy who pretty much only thunder dunks and gets offensive rebounds. Inconsistent jumper and spotty defense is really all I see from him. Pretty much we have a cheaper Swede on the team right now who can do the same thing (maybe not eat babies though).
If we can get something worthwhile for him, lets go for it. I like the packaging him with Tay for Aldridge/Pryz.
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by madpoopz on Nov 4, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
trade prince
to portaland, portland sends bayless and another contract to the jazz and the jazz send this pistons boozer. This trade works great because boozer can become a free agent and if they cant sign bosh over the summer they can just keep boozer.
by David7 on Nov 4, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
All very interesting
To comments above….I seriously doubt that Portland would trade Aldridge so willingly. I wouldn’t mind acquiring and starting Przybilla though. Another Blazers player I wouldn’t mind getting is Jerryd Bayless, who gets little playing time there. However, I think the Blazers are still very high on him.
As I commented before, I think the Hornets would be a natural trading partner. They clearly lack scoring on the wing, and I think they might covet a player like Rip. With that said, I am not sure how many people like the idea of trading for Emeka Okafor, or if the Hornets are even willing to trade him yet. I would rather get David West, but I think the Hornets value West as much as, if not more, than the Blazers value Aldridge.
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by n1ck34 on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Utah/Portland/NO
I don’t want Aldridge. He’s soft and doesn’t rebound well enough. Plus Portland just have him a huge 5 yr, $65 million contract. No thanks.
I like Pryzbilla, but he’s already 30.
Any trade involving Tay is gonna have to involve the other team sending some kind of SF back.
As said before, teams that could really use an elite wing are NO and Utah. Boozer is an obvious choice, but I’m not sure what NO would be willing to give up.
by NBA Kays on Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn't need a SF back...
if the trade got us a big man…Villanueva can play the 3. Also, I wonder how New Orleans feels about Julian Wright?
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by n1ck34 on Nov 4, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
…that CV can play the 3. I personally haven’t seen him to it before, so I don’t know how comfortable I’d be w/ him as the full time starter there.
Wright could probably be pulled away from NO.
by NBA Kays on Nov 4, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RIP makes a pretty good SF also...
but the problem with starting him at SF makes our bench a little less deep. We’d have to get another guard.
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by madpoopz on Nov 5, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A quick look at salaries
Prince and Maxiell combine to make $15,324,380. A look at players who might be available, and have salaries that can match-up tradewise:
Michael Redd ($17,040,000)
Andrei Kirilenko ($16,451,250)
Amare Stoudemire ($16,378,325)
Chris Bosh ($15,779,912)
Kenyon Martin ($15,363,636)
Elton Brand ($14,858,471)
Peja Stojakovic ($14,202,000)
Assuming Bosh and Amare don’t get moved before the trade deadline, if at all, and that Dumars wouldn’t want to bring in another guard with Redd, we remain with Kirilenko (possible, yet unlikely due to the Jazz not wanting to take on more salary), Martin (I don’t think the Nuggets want to break up what they have), Brand (the Sixers would probably love to get rid of him, but would Dumars want him?) and Peja (see Brand). So I don’t see anything there.
Just speculating, obviously, but I don’t think the market for the Prince-Maxiell tandem is very hot right now. Only way I see something done is if Dumars takes a very, very bad contract off somebody else’s hands.
by Noam S on Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the best bet would be to acquire two to three players in return, instead of one elite player (which only two players that you listed even are).
That’s why I liked the Aldridge-Przybilla trade. We get some great value in return and actually gain some size in the middle to throw against Howard and Garnett and Shaq and anyone else.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 4, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think that they should trade anyone that is y their dumb a— dind’t win the plalyoffs because of the Chauncy trade that I know that Joe Dumars feels real stupid everytime that he saw Chauncy play on the other team and score Big Big time to quick to make a decision that will cost him in the long run like it did they need to keep who they got, just like the traded Sheed watch how he get’ s off in Boston that was another bad decision he boke up the fav five now pay for it I Love the Pistons When it Was the Pistons but now don’t know still try to watch them it’s getting boring Joe.
by Rhonda V on Nov 4, 2009 11:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sentence's please?
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by madpoopz on Nov 5, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MY BAD
I didnt even notice that you had a comment almost the same as the one i did. i was wondering where did it go, atleast i know i am having good thoughts and ideas to post ill be more focused next time
by lartho6 on Nov 6, 2009 7:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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