Pistons-Magic Game Thread
by Matt W on Nov 6, 2009 5:49 PM CST
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Coverage at 7:00 pm ET
Orlando: 4-1 (2-0 home)
Margin:+10.0
Pistons: 2-3 (1-2 road)
Margin: -0.6
Oppo research
Orlando bounced back from Tuesday's loss to the Pistons to destroy the Suns by 22 points on Wednesday. Make no mistake, this is one of the most dominating teams in the league, as their double-digit point differential will attest. Vince Carter, who didn't play against the Pistons earlier this week, could be back for this one.
When things are going good, the Magic work the inside-out game to perfection, with Howard dominating in the paint and a bevy of long-range shooters bombing away from beyond the arc. Rashard Lewis, who led the league in three-point attempts, is still suspended, but Ryan Anderson has filled in admirably, jacking up nearly seven treys a game while converting at an impressive (.441) clip.
In fact, the Magic as a team are shooting .436 from three-point land, with no fewer than six players averaging at least 3.8 attempts a game. Even J.J. Redick is getting in the fun (14.4 points, 5.0 3PA, .520 3P% in 33.6 minutes a game). With that many sharpshooters, no deficit is too big for Orlando to overcome.
The Drama:
The Pistons own the Magic, winning 20 of their last 25 regular-season matchups. You wouldn't think that streak would continue without the likes of Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess ... but it did on Tuesday. Let's see if the Pistons can keep it up in Orlando.
Keys for Detroit:
Crash the boards: Following Kevin's wise example, I'm just going to cut and paste this one.
Attack, attack, attack! Ben Gordon, Rodney Stuckey and Will Bynum need to drive to the rim at every chance. It worked last time, didn't it? (Answer: yes, it did.) For those with no memory, Dwight Howard fouled out, dropped an f-bomb and complained about the refs on his blog after the game. The next night, he had five more fouls against the Suns, prompting Stan Van Gundy to complain about the double-standard big men face in regards to physical play.
Hit the ground: I hate to see big men flop, but ... whatever works. The refs are in Dwight's head; the Pistons need to exploit it.
Question of the Game
Will Detroit's unlikely success continue? Will Stuckey shoot better than 40% for the first time since the opener? Will Detroit's front court break double-digits in scoring?
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people are hurting themselves left and right. tyrus thomas and kevin martin are both out for a while, and gasol and bynum are both “doubtful” for tonight’s lakers-grizz game.
by Scott on Nov 6, 2009 6:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Magic is starting Matt Barnes and Ryan Anderson tonight. Needless to say that they’ll be spacing the floor to the max with this lineup.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or does Stuckey Always hit his first jumper, then struggle with the rest?
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think JJ’s been sitting in the Orlando sun. Dude looks crispy.
by Sean W. on Nov 6, 2009 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This one could get ugly. Q should have called timeout after Orlando hit their first two 3’s. Once Orlando starts hitting their long range bombs they’re very hard to beat.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Pistons are starting to settle in after taking the big blow to begin the game. Need more stops though.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
JJ! Comin’ through to sweeten this shit sandwich of a quarter!
by Thom on Nov 6, 2009 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Rodney’s shooting pretty well so far. I just hope it doesn’t get to his head…
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 6:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.atdhe.net/7345/watch-detroit-pistons-vs-orlando-magic was working but it just died. It might come back, though.
by Garrett on Nov 6, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
my god does Chris Wilcox even realize this is basketball we’re playing? he didn’t even bother to contest that final shot, no way they should have scored on at. At the very least Maxiell can stand up to Dwight in terms of strength; Kuester needs to get this clown the hell off the court.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Impressive block by Gortat, I really wish we could have got him
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kwame got his shit stuffed. Gortat’s long arms took him by surprise.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bmr: Yup. If Q has half a brain, Wilcox won’t see another minute of action for a long, long time.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Strictly speaking, its still a night of magic..
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, let’s take it easy on Wilcox. You guys are relentless.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol@ the random rock out metal music played when showing the scored on League Pass.
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone having luck with LPBB? It seems to work for us.
by Rob G on Nov 6, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Ben Wallace hit the gold at the end of the rainbow, Wilcox looks like he fell off at its peak. There’s no way we can win with him on the floor.
Is it just me or does it seem the pistons can’t buy a foul call tonight? Lots of touch fouls on the Orlando side, but we get nothing on our drives. They have more free throws even though they’ve taking much more jumpers.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wilcox couldn’t get the rebound and Orlando capitalizes…why am I not surprised.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE FUCK, how was that foul on Rodney?
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gortat stuffing Daye, too. Jeebus, his arms ARE long.
by Garrett on Nov 6, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chris “Sucks” Wilcox (See what I did there?) may be awful, but it’s nice to see Austin Daye Doin’ Work (A Spike Lee Joint)
by Thom on Nov 6, 2009 6:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if either Daye or Jerebko will end up starting by the end of the season? Both are looking really nice tonight.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No I mean starting over Tayshaun, its understood they would if he gets traded.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dayeshaun and the Fightin’ Swede are looking like good picks so far. Too bad we haven’t seen anything of Dejaun Summers yet.
by SadPanda on Nov 6, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My LPBB is stuttering every few seconds, practically unwatchable.
by Laughton on Nov 6, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol@ Stan Van kicking our ass and still being pissed off at defensive lapses and chewing his team out….wtf? lol
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 7:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
don’t you just want to give STV a big huge and pat his head
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*SVG not STV, though he is as annoying as an STD
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
- Orlando is ridiculously deep. The way Howard’s playing this is my pick to win it all right now.
- I wish Q would have put Jerebko back in rather than playing Wilcox. It would be a smallish lineup with him and Daye out there, but I think the defense would still be better and the offense too with JJ and Daye providing more spacing. Plus, Wilcox sucks.
by Quick Darshan on Nov 6, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*hug not huge, sorry about the triple post
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If anyone has some spare time, this is the funniest thing i have ever seen in my life. I have watched it probably around 10 times, and i crack up laughing every single time.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
QD: +100
Playing Wilcox at PF against a disciplined, dangerous, 3 point shooting team like Orlando is like punching yourself in the face while you step on your own foot.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
@Gabe, it’s impressive how far Daye can sag off his man and still contest his jumper. That and Jerebko’s motor would make for their collective lack of bulk.
by Quick Darshan on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow@ Phoenix handling Boston right now….Suns might be better than we all thought
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Pistons do need to find a way to force deflections and get some turnovers. Maybe playing Jerebko more over Wilcox during the second half would help accomplish that.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is Durant, oh my mistake, Daye not starting while Prince out? Jerebko play better off the bench. Daye will make other teams have to play honest on BG and Rip when he come back.
I hope Coach Q not dipping into Curry private stash!!!! Start Daye he is a differents maker.
by joe on Nov 6, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have been watching the suns-celts game…phoenix is doing a lot of different things on offense (such as posting jason richardson) and amare looks good too.
QD, I’m on the orlando bandwagon too.
by Scott on Nov 6, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would MUCH rather see the Magic win it all than Cleveland or Boston.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We need a three headed Center Wallace, Wilcox and kwame
by joe on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
@Cody: Classic, the guy playing it made me lol.
by Laughton on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
@Cody – that is hi-larious. I wouldn’t have the patience…
by Rob G on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jameer is fucking little bitch. One of our bigs needs to take his head off on a pick and roll.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerebko does seem to disrupt things on defense whenever he’s on the floor. and that’s a good thing.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
stuckey really does get screwed tons in the paint… even the magic announcers said it lol.
by rban on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow great defense by Jerebko on Jameer!
btw, his name is pronounced Unis Yerebko
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jameer Nelson expanding his range, not just attacking guards now, he goes with the shoulder tackle on Jerebko.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There’s 3 out of bounds calls we’ve been screwed on. That one was much closer tho.
and yeah that video is awesome lmao. 3 parts to it.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this officiating looks fairly slanted towards Orlando, its almost as if our buddy David called them up and said that Orlando cannot lose anymore
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Some bullshit calls going against us right now.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But the Pistons are keeping their cool for the most part. Let’s hope they keep their poise from here on out.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
These rebounds that the Magic are getting are offensive to me.
by Rob G on Nov 6, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have only caught a few minutes so far, and even I see the officiating has been bad. Making up for the other night?
by Drew on Nov 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice steal by Jerebko! He has long Swedish arms.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn, Jonas has some serious pain tolerance
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not that I think the calls went for us last game. but that was the perception.
by Drew on Nov 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please can we not go down the “refs are screwing us” road? Please?
by Rob G on Nov 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now Jerebko is beginning to make things happen on the offensive end. He’s definitely putting his stamp on the game.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The refs had better not be screwing the Pistons. Do my bribes mean nothing to them?
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aside from bricking those two free throws, I love what I’m seeing from Jerebko. There’s basically no reason for Wilcox to ever get minutes over him.
Also, Matt Barnes is one of my least favorite players ever. He’s one of the few players I would hate, even if he was on the Pistons.
And Daye’s arms are soooo long.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’m serious about the starting over Tayshaun thing, anyone else think it could happen by April?
I find it funny that Dwight is complaining about the foul call and Kwame has a bloody nose
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OK, that’s better refs. Good phantom foul on Howard, guarding Kwame.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man, these missed free throws are killing us.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we really have to starting hitting those free throws, the lead would be at 8 if we didn’t miss 4 straight
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kwame is one of the few players that Dwight Howard fails to look bigger than.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Four straight missed ft’s hurts a lot. This could be a single digit game right now.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FUCK. White Chocolate hitting a prayer pull up 3, and Ben missing a wide open trey on the other end is quite a shitty little sequence.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon got a nice open look from the 3 point line, shockingly Jason Williams made a defensive mistake. Too bad Gordon couldn’t get it to fall.
Nice job by Jerebko to get a deflection on the next play, though.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see k posting up Stuckey right now, he had 15 in the first half and is easily stronger than both of Orlando’s PGs
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they end the quarter down by 8, we could possibly push this game to overtime
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to say how I liked how JJ didn’t go for that first pump fake..
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That pump fake looked mighty convincing though. Gotta give Bass props for that one.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think I’m ready to see Tay traded at this point in the game. I noticed how much we need Rip, at least with how little we have in the frontcourt. But Tay on the other hand…
by Drew on Nov 6, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Drew: I agree. It seems JJ is ready to contribute.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Grief-stricken daughter: “Daddy…”
Father: “Yes, dear?”
GSD: “I’ve forgotten what Maxiell dunking looks like.”
F (holding back tears): “It’s alright, dear. It’s alright.”
by Rob G on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man, that’s some kind of strength to throw Maxiell out of bounds
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stupid final possession of the quarter. ISO for Stuck 25 ft from the basket. He dribbles into a deep 2 point jump shot and fires away with more than a second on the clock without even pretending to look for a pass to anyone.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I say we trade Chris Wilcox for Dwight Howard.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I say we trade Chris Wilcox and the wrong DeJuan for the right DaJuan
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good call by the announcer, noticing that the Magic are trying to force Stuckey into the middle of the court.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give some credit to the Orlando broadcast team. Surprisingly solid, a little bit of homerism, but not overbearing, and they’re pleasantly good natured.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How the heck do you let J.J. Redick drive the lane?!
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerebko has been good at getting to the line, at least.
by Birdman on Nov 6, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerebko doesn’t have a lot of vertical but he’s RELENTLESS. I hope he bulks up a little bit and gets a lot of minutes.
by Garrett on Nov 6, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
4 in row. Fack. Otherwise, you’ve won me over JJ.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wish Dumars would have made a move for Kaman over the summer. He was much cheaper coming off an injury and being behind Zach Randolph in the rotation than being the number 1 fantasy center. Also at the time they didn’t have Rasual Buttler, meaning that Tay would have been of value to them.
I don’t see any way we can really get a deal done with them. What could they possibly want that we will actually be willing to give?
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lmfao. JJ’s pissing the hell outta the Magic tonight.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerebko with the smirk after Bass takes him down! Sweet.
by Garrett on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, Brandon Bass is HUGE. Him, Dwight, and Ben Wallace must be some of the biggest dudes in the league.
by Garrett on Nov 6, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think JJ can definitely be our Verajo. That being said, we might have to buy him steel boxers for when we play the Celtics.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heh, Jerebko just irritantes guys and he knows it.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heh, Jerebko just irritates guys and he knows it.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and followed it up with a fast break dunk. 11 points in 10 minutes, according to the announcer.
by Scott on Nov 6, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know, the most disappointing thing about this game, is that without the 1st quarter, we’d be up right now.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Hairless Wonder looks to be finding his game :)
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This feed is the worst illegal free feed I have ever seen. C’mon!
by Garrett on Nov 6, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Guys stop posting stuff about Budinger.
I don’t think some of you get that we NEVER had Budinger. We traded that pick BEFORE we drafted him. Houston chose him. Not us. I’m all for hating on Summers because of Blair, but Budinger was never ours.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Summers, wasn’t he supposed to be the most game ready of the rookies? hah
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Magic still take horrid shot selection
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 8:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Win or lose, this Pistons team has shown a lot of character staying in this game tonight. Great effort on the part of everyone on the team — except for Wilcox.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What Rasheed should have done by Charlie
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As long as Orlando keeps taking crap shots and Charlie V being focused we got this
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
charlie v doing real nice… wow
stuckey really needs to work on his shooting!
by piñon lopez on Nov 6, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta keep Howard off the offensive boards though. That will be key.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn CV is killing right now. We need the zebras to keep it honest, and gotta get a little lucky and hope all the shots Orlando hit in the 1st quarter means they’re due for a couple of misses.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Charlie V clearly was reading DBB the past week or so
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Theres the Charlie V I know and love..
by Prophecy_projectz on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn… the team ran out of gas to chasing down some of those long misses.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Still a good fight from the Pistons facing probably the best/deepest team in the league without Rip and Tay. Of course they don’t have Lewis and VC lol
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man we could have won this game. If our bigs did a better job of rotating in the first, we wouldn’t have been down by 17 and Charlie’s dominating 4th would have clinched it.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it seems like in each loss there is one disaster quarter.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 6, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we waited too long to double-teaming Howard when he got the ball in the post. It seems once we started to do that the Magic had trouble getting to a flow on offense.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Magic have made 3 out of their last 23 three point shots. ouch. lmao
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good effort in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters. CV’s hot streak is hopefully a sign of things to come.
But, we couldn’t dig ourselves out of the 1st quarter hole. It seems like in every loss we’ve had a sequence where we’ve just been clobbered with a 15 to 2 run at some point in the game. Gotta get that straightened out.
And hopefully this game ends the Wilcox era of Detroit basketball.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
@andy
Agreed, but I take that as something to be optimistic towards. Even down by ~20 twice in a row deep in the game, we’ve fought back. Especially Toronto, when we even took the lead in the 4th.
Just look at how much better Charlie has been tonight, and he still looks out of shape. I can’t wait to see how good they’ll become once everyone’s in top shape and we have Rip back.
Honestly, I think we would be at least 5-1 right now if Rip was here. The scary thing is that even with our horrendous 1st, we shot 52% in the game when Gordon was ice cold. And even better, Orlando went from shooting 75% to 47%. This team has a lot of potential once everything fits in.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Jerebko has officially replaced Wilcox in the rotation after this game. The active Swede was an impact player out there. No doubt about it.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it makes you wonder, with more consistent officiating and Wilcox never entering the game, was this winnable even with the horrendous start?
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA D Howard fouling out
Although I like the Magic more than Cleveland and Boston, I hate Dwight Howard’s guts.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ha CV only 4 points away from MFWB’s record.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 8:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if anyone else saw this, but as he was walking off the court, Wilcox had a huge grin on his face and had clearly been joking around with someone (couldn’t tell if it was someone in the stands or a player). Obviously not a big deal. Just another reason to dislike him a little bit more.
by Gabe on Nov 6, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we can really make a play at Kaman anymore, the best time to steal him was while the Clippers still had Randolph and did not have Buttler. However, what about Roy Hibbert?
He’s averaging a double double and its only his second season. He’ll probably never be a 20-10 center, but he’s got good hands and rebounds at a high clip. I mean seriously, 11 rebounds in 27 minutes? That’s like Ben Wallace good. Considering the Pacers already have a fairly deep front court, featuring Murphy, Foster and Hansbrough, we could actually make a play for him.
The Pacers definitely need a good point guard. Will Bynum along with Summers for Hibbert seems to be a trade beneficial for both sides. Yes that would mean losing our ball one on one passing guard, but at the same time we need a legitimate replacement for Big Ben for the future.
Just think about it. He’s got size, athleticism, and unlike Howard, already has at least one legit post move.
at least check out his draft express profile
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Roy-Hibbert-585/
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Summers moved ahead of Wilcox in the rotation.
by Quick Darshan on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
suns just beat the celtics 110-103. and denver lost to miami, so there are no more undefeated teams.
by Scott on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So why is the Cavaliers vs. Knicks game the one being shown as the early game tonight on ESPN? This was probably the worst game out of the bunch to have broadcasted on national TV.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because everyone wants to see Bron Bron in New York. Personally, I think the Cavs are much worse with Shaq and without kuester. Mike Brown is one of the dumbest offensive coaches in the league, and Shaq on his own is a bad fit for that team.
Any thoughts on the Roy Hibbert thing? I know its still early in the year, but I think he can definitely blosom into a very good double-double machine, ala Okafor.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Pacers are high Roy Hibbert and are determined to build their team with him involved. I really can’t see Indiana wanting to deal him.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 Cody
I don’t see who else we could target then because the Pacers have the most depth. Now that depth isn’t of high quality, but they’ve got a lot of decent quantity. Think about it, Portland needs Pryzbilla until Oden learns how to play even 30 minutes a game without fouling out. The clippers now need Kaman without question after getting rid of Randolph. Yao may be on the block, but I want no part of him.
That basically leaves Dalembert. But with that said, I’m sure that if Dumars wanted him, he would have already made the move a while ago. Dalembert has clashed with the 76ers for a while now, and I’m fairly sure both sides want out.
by bmr007 on Nov 6, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’d be happy with a Dalembert for Tay and Kwame trade.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Time to watch the Spurs with Dice and the right DaJuan vs Portland.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t get a chance to watch the game tonight because of work, and I see all this hate towards Wilcox. What did he do wrong tonight?
by Arsh on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
@Arsh: He didn’t really do anything wrong. He just continues to not do anything at all. It honestly looks like he doesn’t know how to play professional basketball.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I totally see the Pistons picking up Roy Hibbert. Problem is, the Pacers would certainly demand Yonas Urebko… and probably perennial fan favorite Walter “Flowing Locks” Hermann!
Although if we’re lucky, we can trick them with Tay. ;-)
by King Cake on Nov 6, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey has really stepped it up this year.. and so has Kwame, which is a nice surprise…
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And in my continuing coverage of Rodney “The Opener” Stuckey, 15pts first half – 5pts second half. Just sayin’
by King Cake on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MFWB has been running into traffic and getting smashed a lot these last couple games… he gets a lot of the same contact that stuckey does but is rewarded for it far more often
by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Teams have been playing MFWB for the drive and shot as of late. He’s going to have to start making dump-off passes to bigs down low on some of those drives so to keep help defenders honest.
by Kruza on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way in hell Indiana gives up Roy Hibbert for anything less than an All Star, if that. Put it out your mind, fellas.
by Mike Payne on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
GAH. I can’t watch ESPN basketball games anymore. Hubey Brown or whatever his name is, is a fucking idiot. He talks WAY too much, points out obvious and redundant things, and offers no professional insight. not to mention he’s an annoying prick.
by Cody on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just doing some reading on other games and noticed that Afflalo has put up some solid numbers the past three Denver games. 15+ pts and probably playing great D. I’m glad he’s getting some serious time out there and making the best out of it. He would of rode the pine here in place of Atkins.
by Rami on Nov 7, 2009 1:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
@Cody
I think ESPN as a whole has really degraded over the past few years. Especially the highlights, they almost offer no value these days. Its a pain to watch all that advertisement for a 20 second clip of the game, they used to be like 2 minutes long each.
Also they seem to be not really doing much coverage these days either, I remember 97.1 pointing out how they completely failed to even mention several topics just because they involved important players.
by bmr007 on Nov 7, 2009 6:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, the Spurs love ’round here is making me sick. 2005 Finals. Robert Horry. Game 5. Fuck them all and their offspring.
Grudges? What are those?
by TDP on Nov 7, 2009 6:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Never Dalembert! Id rather start Ben Wallace all season then have Dalembert…. hes possibly the sofest center in the league.
by rban on Nov 7, 2009 7:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
bmr007: It can’t be worse than Canadian sports coverage. I was just complaining to my wife last night how our sports channels don’t actually show any highlights unless it’s a hockey game. Know what they showed from last night’s Pistons/Magic game? Two Dwight Howard dunks and that was IT. No commentary, no info, no other highlights from any other players (or the other team, for that matter), and they pretty much just said the final score and then went straight to hockey. It’s the worst.
by Garrett on Nov 7, 2009 7:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Maceo Baston moved ahead of Wilcox in the rotation.
by Quick Darshan on Nov 7, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trent Plaisted is now ahead of Wilcox in the rotation.
by Quick Darshan on Nov 7, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
arnie kander is ahead of wilcox in the rotation
by jay_uno on Nov 7, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What happened to all the intelligent trade talk?
br comes and mustve left the door open when he came in because of all the asshats.
Hibbert for Bynum and Summers?
Dalembert?
In the words of Ed Lover: "c’mon son, git the f outta here wit dat shit son. WTF you thinkin son. C’mon son.
by Boney on Nov 7, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just noticed something. We’re dead last in the division. Wonder when the last time that was the case…
Still though, we’re not winning the title this year but we never were winning the title this year. This team will be fine. Just so long as we’ve got someone in mind as “Next Ben Wallace” (are we all agreed on how essential that role is for our defense yet?), we have a very bright future in store.
by Shinons on Nov 7, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, the Spurs love ’round here is making me sick. 2005 Finals. Robert Horry. Game 5. Fuck them all and their offspring.
Grudges? What are those?
That was a fantastic series against a classy team. Can’t blame Horry for hitting a shot that we left him wide open on. That was our fault. Both teams played hard, it was officiated fairly, just part of cheering for a team is losing sometimes.
2004 against the Lakers though? Payton and Malone’s ring hunting? Shaq’s looking like a dead bloated fish? Kobe’s “heroism” playing while on trial for rape? Now fuck that team. I’m still so glad we embarrassed the hell out of them.
by Shinons on Nov 7, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just sign LeBron in 2010 and get it over with.
by Garrett on Nov 7, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see an Ed Lover youtube on pie in the sky bullshit trade rumors, and the NBA at large.
Donald Sterling, GTFO wit that son.
by Skylar on Nov 7, 2009 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for a DBLpost, but I co-sign rverything you wrote Onions. I hate on Horry & and deplored Bowen’s fantastically dirty play, but the rest of those dudes deserve all the success they’ve had. And I like Pop.
by Skylar on Nov 7, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thought the situation with Dwight Howard was bad, here is the latest Gilbert and Shaq drama.
Sources tell YBF that they have run across emails regarding a secret sexual relationship between Shaq and Wizards baller Gilbert Arenas’ fiance Laura Govan. And Laura is actually friends with Shaunie.
Allegedly, Laura and Shaq have been friends in public…and more than friends in private…for the past 5 years. Supposedly they’ve been flying to each others’ towns and meeting up at different events. They even allegedly spent time together last Christmas when Shaq was still playing in Phoenix. Laura just so happened to be there "visiting her sister".
Laura likes to go by "Lonnie Govan" and "Lonnie G" and Shaq used multiple email addresses to correspond with her over the past months.
If interested in the emails. do a search, they are pretty funny.
by scntfc on Nov 7, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
@TDP – Yes All-time greatest Piston ever Walter “The Thor Hammer” Herrmann! That wasn’t CV going off in the fourth last night. That was Walter, yes, he’s that good. And he’s ahead of Wilcox on the depth chart too! How ’bout dat?
Boney for Walter Herrmann anyone?
by King Cake on Nov 7, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind Detroit dealing for Tyrus Thomas while he has a broken arm. He’s a free agent next year and it looks like he’s not in Chicago’s plans so he’s going to have a bad year with the injury, recovery, and down minutes. Maybe some Detroit love gets a project player with huge talent at a discount. Arms heal and that guy is as athletic a PF as you’ll ever see. If you can get it through his head to work towards being a 13/13 guy who blocks shots in the context of team defense instead of a 20/10 guy who blocks shots like it’s a video game he’s a core piece on a championship team.
by joejoejoe on Nov 7, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
jjj – I’m not sure if it would work to trade for Thomas while is arm’s broken, wouldn’t passing a physical get in the way? But I think that you might be something to Thomas. I don’t think we’ve talked about him here before, but he’s going to be up for a QO over $6 million next year and he doesn’t look like part of the team’s long range plans. Maybe the dump him before the deadline to get some value out of him. I could see Maxiell for him making sense for both sides.
by Shinons on Nov 7, 2009 1:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
“Just so long as we’ve got someone in mind as "Next Ben Wallace" (are we all agreed on how essential that role is for our defense yet?)”
agreed – he had an off night last night, and Dwight went off… without Ben, we’re in trouble…
by Rob G on Nov 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about Thomas. He’s athletic, but he doesn’t rebound. Rebounding is all about effort in the NBA, guys like Ben Wallace, Amare and Joakim Noah have proved that. Think about it, Noah and Wallace have ridiculously high rebound % and yet are considered undersized. Amare is a monster, and yet he is an above average at best rebounder.
On a side note, when did Gerald Wallace become such a monster clean up man? 14.8 boards a game? That’s more that Howard, and its not even close.
by bmr007 on Nov 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like Tyrus Thomas’ attitude at all. But I used to rail on Ben Gordon for the same thing and so far that dude is a goddamn goldrush.
by Skylar on Nov 7, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about Thomas. He’s athletic, but he doesn’t rebound.
Really now? Thomas has averaged 9 rebounds/36 while competing for boards with Wallace and Noah. I don’t think that’s accurate.
Skylar, I agree that Thomas’ attitude does seem to be a concern but he might be in the same boat as Gordon. Skiles and VDN seem completely incoherent at times, so there might be a reason to be frustrated there. And besides, he’d be a pretty low risk/high reward type.
Not saying I’m 100 percent in favor of it, but there might be something there.
by Shinons on Nov 7, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, but rebounds rate always decrease as minutes go up. Why else would he rebound 8.5/36 the next year? That’s like saying Amir Johnson averaged 11 boards per 36 in 06-07 and yet he could barely get court time the following year. I know that’s not the best comparison because Thomas has a much better developed body, but my point is that when he’s been given big minutes, he’s been a mediocre rebounder for a PF.
Once he started getting 30 minutes a game last season, his production peaked in Febuary. In that month, he averaged 9 boards/36, pretty legit. Except that it’s an outlier. With that month taken out, his numbers are ~7.2 boards/ 36 for the other 3 months. I would be ecstatic with those if he was a small forward, but they seem weak for PF.
by bmr007 on Nov 7, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, but rebounds rate always decrease as minutes go up. Why else would he rebound 8.5/36 the next year? That’s like saying Amir Johnson averaged 11 boards per 36 in 06-07 and yet he could barely get court time the following year. I know that’s not the best comparison because Thomas has a much better developed body, but my point is that when he’s been given big minutes, he’s been a mediocre rebounder for a PF.
Look at it this way.
Once he started getting 30 minutes a game last season, his production peaked in Febuary. In that month, he averaged 9 boards/36, pretty legit. Except that it’s an outlier. With that month taken out, his numbers are ~7.2 boards/ 36 for the other 3 months. I would be ecstatic with those if he was a small forward, but they seem weak for PF.
He’s a great shotblocker, I’ve seen him definitely impact the game in that respect. But I feel the intensity on the boards is lacking for someone with that height and athleticism.
However, if we could swap him for Wilcox, Summers and a conditional pick, that would be a total win. I think Summers does hold a bit of value just because of his body. We’ve already got the Bulls to take Ben Wallace’s potential horrible salary off our hands and stole their best player, we could probably dupe them one more time.
by bmr007 on Nov 7, 2009 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about Tyrus Thomas, guys. He seems like a bit of a headcase.
by Birdman on Nov 7, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TAYSHAUN PRINCE : The Pistons say forward Tayshaun Prince will be out of the lineup indefinitely due to a small rupture of a disc in his lower back.
Ouch!
by King Cake on Nov 7, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Prince is going to be out for quite a while, the injury sounds serious.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4632737
The good news, we’ll be seeing a lot of Daye and Jerebko. The bad news, we probably won’t be able to trade Tay this season (if ever, back injuries tend to linger a lot).
by bmr on Nov 7, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good thing they drafted 7 small forwards this year.
by Scott on Nov 7, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This injury will let our rookies get more time and perhaps develop themselves faster than planned by coaching staff. Great news for next year I guess when they will be ready to take on regular rotation and carry the Pistons.
by Langlois&Curry Rock on Nov 7, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
“News: Iverson requested and was granted permission to leave the Grizzlies for personal reasons, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reports.
Spin: We don’t want to jump to conclusions, but the timing of Iverson’s departure is suspect. No more than 24 hours after voicing displeasure and concerns of disconnect with coach Lionel Hollins, Iverson requested to leave the team. The Grizzlies have done a horrible job of managing Iverson’s role with the team, and it’s sad that the soap opera appears to playing itself out so methodically tragic. There was no timetable given for Iverson’s return. Get him out of your lineups for Saturday."
by Jonathan on Nov 7, 2009 6:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’m watching nuggets-hawks from atlanta—plenty of good seats available.
by Scott on Nov 7, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Watch him magically hurt his back while on personal leave.
Also the spin take is another reason why I think the writers at ESPN have become idiots.
Horrible job of managing his role? If anything, they’ve done a great job simply because they stuck to their guns. Mayo is clearly the more important SG (probably the better one anyways) and there really is no reason for management to start AI.
by bmr on Nov 7, 2009 6:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I propose changing the De/aJuans names to DaRightJuan and DaWrongJuan.
by joedip on Nov 7, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, what else should Memphis have done? They signed Iverson but it was obvious that the coach would bring him off the bench, having said so to the press at some point. So, they bench him and he throws a (predictable) fit. The only way they could have done it differently would be to start him, which would have been stupid on multiple levels.
by Birdman on Nov 7, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and CDR has h1n1
Douglas-Roberts has not played since New Jersey’s 122-94 loss to Denver on Wednesday night. The H1N1 virus was first identified as a “swine flu” in April of this year and declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization in June. In a statement, the Nets said Douglas-Roberts has been treated accordingly for the illness and the team has followed all precautionary health measures mandated by the NBA
by scntfc on Nov 7, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
“I’m not trying to figure out how to contribute to no team,” Iverson said. "I contribute to a team by just playing. That’s it. I don’t have to figure it out.
by scntfc on Nov 7, 2009 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
After Rip bailed him out with the Curry situation. You would think that he would humble himself. It amazes me. He got a chance to redeem himself and possibly go to a contender next year. His career is over!
by scntfc on Nov 7, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bmr, I don’t think he did, but it doesn’t matter, good job by AI and Rip at using him as a scapegoat, why didn’t they bitch out Joe D? considering ALL major decisions by Curry about benching and starting players and other stuff had to go through Dumars.
by Langlois&Curry Rock on Nov 7, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, AI. Just ugh. Just retire and leave the NBA alone.
by Laughton on Nov 7, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta – Denver game is pretty good, interesting enough George Karl didn’t start Afflalo, and I guess JR Smithy is still serving suspension, LOL Balkman had 3 fouls in 1st quarter and K Mart is injured…
Denver is really thin at the frontline and that’s why they won’t make it past second round with their current roster.
by Langlois&Curry Rock on Nov 7, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ALL major decisions by Curry about benching and starting players and other stuff had to go through Dumars."
since when? last I knew everyone had to earn playing time. the only time when we’ve heard Dumars step in, was when he wanted playing time for the rookies. And even then when some didn’t show enough “readiness” they were benched.
by scntfc on Nov 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You are right, I meant with respect to that whole AI-Rip drama and which 1 of those all stars should have come off the bench and vice versa. Considering it was Curry’s rookie year and the delicacy of dealing with players of such caliber, those decision of benching Rip and then AI had to come through Dumars or at least with his support. So me hearing them bitching and whining about Curry lying to them is funny and ridiculous because they dont have enough balls to call Dumars out for that whole ‘who starts and who sits’ last year’s mess.
by Langlois&Curry Rock on Nov 7, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Tay for Thomas! (And somehow get them to take wilcox too)
by Drew on Nov 7, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It’s ridiculous to label Dajuan Summers “wrong” until you’ve given him a chance to play. I don’t wanna start any shit but give the guy a season at least. He’s in his rookie year.
by Skylar on Nov 8, 2009 12:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2009/11/former_pistons_guard_allen_ive_1.html
Can’t wait to see how this turns out. Iverson is like Michael Scott from The Office, he has absolutely no self awareness gene. It’s actually quite entertaining when he’s not on your team.
by Rotten Atom on Nov 8, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Skylar, I’m all for giving the ‘Wrong’ guy a chance. I haven’t seen either play for what it’s worth, but the dude is on our team the other guy isn’t. Let’s hold fire for the moment.
by Laughton on Nov 8, 2009 4:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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