Assessing the Hornets Loss a Little Late
Surely, by now you've already read what went down two nights ago. The Pistons scored 55 first half points (28 in the first and 27 in the second) and only scored 32 points in the second half. They led by 13 at the half and were winning by as many as 14-points in the third quarter. Yet somehow they found a way to lose by eight in the end.
So how did it happen?
We can cop out and say that the Pistons simply wore down, which I guess, could have definitely beeen the case. The Pistons have three major players out with injuries (a problem all season) and were playing the second game of a back-to-back on the road. However, I'm not willing to go through an entire season letting them get off the hook on the "injury bug" and "tired (because of the injuries)" excuses when they've proven before that it's not crippling them as much as one might think it should or would. For instance, take a look at that Denver game a week ago. It was the second game of a back-to-back against a Western Conference powerhouse, minus four of the better players on the roster. The Pistons controlled that game and won. This was the same Pistons team that played that night -- plus Will Bynum.
What stood out to me Wednesday was the Pistons lack of ball movement in the fourth quarter. At the three minute mark in the third quarter, Detroit had a remarkable 21 assists. They were well on their way to 28-30 assists, which is unheard of territory for the Pistons this season. Want to know how many assists the Pistons finished with? 22. The Pistons had just six second half assists compared to the (doing the math in my head, uh) 16 assists in the first half. If that's not a glaring statistic, I don't know what is.
And then there is the play of Rodney Stuckey. It has become increasingly clear that the Pistons go as Stuckey goes. When he puts up a solid game shooting and doesn't need roughly 20+ shots to do it, the Pistons tend to do well (Pistons are 7-2 when he shoots 50% or higher on less than 20 attempts from the field. They are 2-5 when he shoots 20+ times at all). It's not some groundbreaking discovery that the Pistons have a better chance of winning when their starting guard plays well. However, critiquing his play continuously resurfaces because he, time and time again, resorts to the style of play that makes him play poorly and in turn, hurts the Pistons.
On Wednesday night, Stuckey took nine shots in the fourth quarter alone (he made three of those). In the final minutes, he forced three (missed) shots and had a bad turnover that led to a Hornets basket, which gave them a four point lead. This isn't a box score statistic, but I cringed all three times Stuckey went up with those final shot attempts.
In Stuckey's defense, the rest of the Pistons weren't really helping. The only source of offense was Charlie Villanueva, and he missed all of his shot attempts (four) in the fourth quarter (which was a double whammy because David West was still scoring on him on the other side). Even if Stuckey was feeling the pressure of needing to carry the offensive load, I still would like to see less painfully obvious, forced shots from him and more dishes after the initial penetration.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the Pistons were presented with serious match up problems the past two games in Luis Scola and David West. Take this bit from Patrick Hayes at MLIVE:
The frontcourt defense is broken. The simple answer is to put Ben Wallace on the opposing team's best big every game, which works great against back-to-the-basket players like Dwight Howard.
Having Ben guard players like West and Scola, however, pulls him out of the paint, takes away the shot-blocking threat and allows guys like Aaron Brooks and Chris Paul to get into the lane at will.
Patrick goes on to add that the "opposing PFs/Cs have shot a combined 42-for-65 (65 percent) against Detroit over the last two games," which has a lot to do with the opposing guards getting into the lane at will and creating easy baskets for their bigs. Scola and West combined for 55 points, more than Villanueva/Wallace combined for in both games (I used CV because he's playing the starter minutes).
The Pistons will finish off this three game road trip with the Thunder before going home to face Kobe Bryant and the Lakers on Sunday. Let's hope we see a steady game this time around and end the road woes. It would certainly help to get some guys back from injuries, but ultimately, this team is capable of winning regardless.
A few thoughts after the jump.
- A large chunk of the assists (nine) came from Will Bynum on Wednesday. There's no denying his individual points production is sorely missed, so let's hope those new shoes are starting to feel comfortable.
- After seeing what Jonas Jerebko is capable of putting up on offense, it's too bad he only scored six points (on 3-3 shooting) when the Pistons needed someone other than Stuckey & Villanueva to step up. J.J. was also a team-worse negative-16 (by six points), so it could have helped that number, too.
- Chris Paul is pretty amazing and fun to watch. Blaha was comparing him to Isiah Thomas during the broadcast, and I couldn't help but feel the same way. He scored 16 points on just nine shots and had 12 assists in what was looking like an off game at the half.
- Emeka Okafor is a guy I'd love to see in a Pistons uniform. In my four years of college near Charlotte, North Carolina I saw a lot of his games with the Bobcats and grew to be a big fan of his. He finished with 15 points and eight rebounds.
- Austin Daye is earning himself more and more minutes. He saw 25 on Wednesday and scored nine points on 3-8 shooting. He was 2-5 from downtown and had three rebounds, as well. I've said this before, but I wouldn't mind seeing him get more looks.
- As it hurt the Hornets in the first half, turnovers played a big role in Detroit's second half collapse, too. They had 16 and a few of them came at crucial points in the fourth quarter.
- Highlights:
- I apologize for not getting a proper recap up in a more timely fashion. I didn't think I would have been able to post a productive recap on Wednesday night and unexpected things came up on Thursday to prevent me from weighing in. If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure that's the first time since I've started this blog that I haven't had a (legit) recap posted within 12 hours of the game ending.
- I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you think went wrong on Wednesday or what the Pistons need to do differently on Friday. One thing is for sure -- freaking win !
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I agree with you on the not letting them get away....
….with back to back games…..But this was the case against New Orleans….They were tired and with all the minutes these guys have had to play early and being short handed it will cost you some games….But thats not the the reason they lost……Also you have to give New orleans credit….They shut the lanes down and stoped penetration in the 2nd half……Chris Paul played great defense in the 2nd half…..So give New orleans some credit there man…..Sometimes rodney has to force shots I think….When hes the only guy on the floor that can create a shot he has too…..and like you said he got no help…..So basically give more credit to New Orleans for great adjustments at the half as the reason they lost.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions
I like this recap...
very well thought out.
Pretty much this amounts to Stuckey putting a bit of trust in his teammates to score the ball as well. That’s the role of the point guard.
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Last Game......
…….Rodney was passing the ball a lot early and guys were missing…..he cant get assists when guys miss wide open shots…..guys have to make shots for him to get assists……In the 2nd half he had to take over becasue everyone was taken out of the game by new orleans or they were just standing around.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I did some analysis of the game in this Fanpost. Just quick quote of myself.
Stuckey cannot be throwing up 26 shots in a game and only land 11 of them. On top of this 6 TO’s are way to many for any position let alone PG. I typically subtract 1 assist for every turnover made so Stuckey to me was -1 in assists which means he did more to help the hornets than he did to help us. He needs to get consistent and to do so he needs to start thinking more when he has the ball in his hands. His decisions are getting quite absurd.
The main thing I’m hitting on here is Stuckey’s turnovers. The man is averaging 3 per game so far this season. The turnovers are proving my point (something I’ve said most of the season) that his decision making either isn’t there or it’s none existent. Can this change? Of course it can, but it needs to be soon. This is his 3rd year in the league. He has the physical part of the game down. The only question regarding Stuckey now is whether or not he can get the mental part down as well.
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Nash and Paul....
……Averagd almost 3 a gam as well.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I like that reasoning but nash had a game once.....
…..whre he shot 9 – 22 with 14 assists and 12 tos…..thats a bad game right?…….I just need a little clarification on your analysis.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
to me...
yes.
but this is just looking at a boxscore. Because I didn’t actually see the TO’s occur (in Stuckey’s and Nash’s case) I have to assume that it was poor decisions leading to the turnovers. It’s entirely possible to just keep throwing the ball around to your team and pick up a high amount of assists. Doesn’t mean that a persons decision making was incredibly good. It’s also entirely possible that each pass was a good pass with a well intended target but the oppositions defense was all about playing the passing lanes that night.
But like I said, this is my boxscore analysis so I’ll try to explain this aspect of it further.
If you look at it from my analysis of the assist column: Paul still averages 7 assists per game and Nash averages about between 4 and 5 per game. (2009 season)
Stuckey averages 4 assists and 3 turnovers, so under my analysis he has really only 1 assist per game. And that’s coming from our point guard spot.
If Stuckey was shooting closer to .500 from the field I’d be a bit more inclined to let some of this slide but since I constantly see him throwing up bad shots instead of trying for the open man…I have to be a bit angry at him right now.
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Well actually....
……the last 10 games hes been the 2 and Atkins the point.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Stuckey Ripping Continues....
…….he satrted 60 games at the point……I guess I dont know what everyone expects from him…..His defense is top notch hes the only guy that drives the lane with purpose…..You have got to love that…..yes maybe he should pass out of some of those situations but to tell a guy to not be aggrseive and take the ball ot the tin is just plain dumb…..Plus hes not going anywhere guys…..GO PISTONS!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Driving toward the basket with purpose is fine...
but Stuckey needs to learn to make the purpose of the drive to lure defenders toward the key and than dump the ball back toward the open man. There are very good shooters on this team. CV, Daye, JJ…they are all more than capable of making an open jumpshot while guys like Jason Maxiell have developed a pretty good jumper of their own. When you add Rip, Tay, and BG back into the mix, Stuckey will have absolutely no reason to make his soul purpose of driving to the lane just to throw up a shot.
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Oh I agree.....
……but ium sure hesa little gunshy when guys miss shots like in the New Orleans game in the 2nd half….I agree he needs to dish a little more but when guys are throwing up bricks he probably feels the need to get to the line.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 18, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think you make a good point about needing to get to the line
I love Stuckey (probably my favorite Piston), but he needs to learn that forcing shots is never good, no matter if his teammates have missed open shots in the past. This is the NBA, if those guys miss open shots over and over again, they’ll get benched. All he needs to learn is that dishing it out for an open look or even dropping it off to an open man inside is way better than trying to force up a shot with three guys on him (even if the odds of drawing a foul are good). I love that he’s aggressive, nobody is questioning his aggressiveness. I’m questioning his decisions after his initial aggressiveness. Overall, he’s been amazing in the past week and a half, but I think the outcome of this game could have been easily avoided.
Saying they were tired is a complete cop out. It’s an 82 game season, injuries happen, these are physically peaked athletes, being “tired” is not a good excuse. If they were too tired to pull this game out then we might as well use that excuse for every loss for the rest of the season. It was way more than “they were tired.”
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