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United They Fall: Bulls 92, Pistons 85

A ten point first quarter.  Turn overs.  Bad shot choices. Lots of missed shots (48 to be exact).

Not quite grandma's recipe for success.  Throw in three missing players and a still-hobbling Ben Gordon, and I think that creates tonight's frustrating dish.  

Oh, but they battled.  They fought to the very end, cutting a late 13-point deficit to five, before losing by seven.  And maybe, with all things considered, a seven point loss isn't so bad; maybe it's something positive to takeaway.  I just don't know how thick my patience is with the late flashes and glimmers of hope, only to wind up with a loss.  It could be just me, but I like winning.  It's almost like clockwork in these types of losses with this group of hard working Pistons.  They blow it in one quarter, get down big, and make the proverbial "too little, too late" comeback.  It's beginning to mean nothing to me, is all I'm saying. 

Anyway, the Pistons fell for the seventh straight time at the United Center and it was a collective effort.  If I told you Chris Wilcox was the brightest spot for the Pistons tonight, you probably don't need to ask who won. The Pistons haven't won at the United Center since December 3, 2005.  (I will say, Ben Gordon put in a gutsy effort on a bum ankle, though.  He finished with a team-high 18 points on 6-16 shooting.  You could tell that he wanted to have a big game, but his ankle probably prevented that from happening).  

The Pistons shot 39% and that's with a late surge.  Rodney Stuckey did his best to contribute to those numbers, putting up far too many contested shots in the lane and finishing 4-16 from the field.  

The Bulls could have made this game a lot easier on themselves.  However, they turned it over 18 times and had their momentary lapses on the glass, allowing 17 offensive rebounds.  They were able to make up for it, though, by shooting around 50% all game.  

Detroit falls to 6-12 and Chicago improves to 7-9.  Detroit will return home for a pair of games this weekend.  

More thoughts and 'ish after the jump.

Star-divide

  • Stuckey is a box score All-star.  Every time I watch him struggle, I think about the tough love I'm going to dish out to him, and that's because I think he could be amazing if he wasn't so stubborn.  Then I go look at the box score for stats and what I thought was a bad game doesn't look all that bad.  For example, tonight, he was a fine 9-11 from the line and had four assists to go along with his 17 points.  Four turnovers and his shooting percentage doesn't look good, but overall it looks more than respectable for an "off" game.  As Madpoopz said, can't he just find a happy medium? 
  • I have mad hate-respect for Joakim Noah.  My puppy dog has a better looking jumper than him and he's always irritated me (maybe it's the hair?), but the man can clean up on the glass.  He had 14 rebounds tonight and came into the game averaging over 12 per game.
  • Scoring only 10 points in a quarter is unacceptable. 
  • Jonas Jerebko continues to show that he is tireless.  He runs around at times like a chicken with his head cut-off, yet might very well have the highest basketball IQ on the floor at times.  Maybe his brains are in his...
  • Wilcox gets 17 minutes and produces.  He was 4-5 (had a last second alley oop rightfully taken away from him, as well) and had nine points with four rebounds.  He looks strong on both ends.  
  • Tonight may have been the official demise of Chucky Atkins as a starter.  It was a glorious two game ride.  He looked poor and selfishly put up two line-drive, 3-point, clank jobs in a row, which got him a nice cold seat.  He finished 1-4 from downtown (1-6 overall).
  • Box score
  • Bulls recap.
  • Highlights? Yeah, they're not up yet.

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To me the box score says Rodney did pretty bad...

I take turnovers really hard and in my mind I subtract 1 assist for every TO. So to me he did quite poorly tonight.

I think part of the problem is that without a scoring big on the floor like Charlie the our offense is incredibly one dimensional. I would’ve preferred to have seen Wilcox maybe pick up a few more minutes from Big Ben. Ben’s defense is always nice but in the end its the scoring that matters and Wilcox really isn’t a slouch on defense and pairing him with kwame could insure decent post defense as well as keep a stronger scoring presence on the floor. At least for this game.

This team is really struggling to find an identity I think. With all these players getting injured and all the different lineups going out there, I find it kinda amazing that they’ve been keeping up such good of fights in games. Right now we’re finding out what kind of heart this team has. They have alot of it. When our injury bug passes we’ll find out what kind of winning team this is.

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by madpoopz on Dec 3, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

I love your last three sentences.

Right on.

As for Stuckey, I normally wouldn’t complain about 17 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 assists. It was the 4 turnovers and 4-16 that looked awful, but he always seems to make his stat line somewhat respectable, I guess I was trying to say. Just by watching him tonight, I would have never guessed that line.

“in the end it’s the scoring that matters”

Yes, to be technical, whoever scores more wins. Defense is far more important, in my mind, but you’re right, for this team right now without 3 of its top scorers, it could use as much offense on the court as it can.

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by Packey on Dec 3, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I put it poorly...

I should have said “the team with the bigger score wins.” Somehow we needed to get the bigger score. That wasn’t gonna happen Big Ben out there and the defensive drop off with Wilcox out there wouldn’t have been huge.

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by madpoopz on Dec 3, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Since when does ...

4-16 shooting constitute good box score numbers?

Yeah, he had 9 boards and made 9 free throws. But he also posted an absolutely pathetic 25% from the floor while taking as many shots as any Piston player (tied with BG). Oh, and let’s not forget the beautiful 1:1 assist to TO ratio.

I realize you’re both aware of these facts, but IMO, the awful shooting and awful Assists greatly, greatly outweigh his point total, because his point total was so incredibly inefficient.

The Pistons will not win basketball games if Rodney continues to lead them in shot attempts and continues to shoot as poorly as he has all season. There’s just no way around it. I don’t see any good reason to let him off the hook.

by brgulker on Dec 3, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

I should have put it differently

When I look at the box score I often look at the big stats first. Points. Rebounds. Assists. Then I go to turnovers and FG/FA. So to me, 17/9/4 is not all that bad. I completely agree, he did not have a good game. I was putting thoughts to blog and probably should have put more thought into that bullet before posting it.

 I’m not letting him off the hook by any means.

My intentions when writing that were similar to calling someone a shootaround all-star. Doesn’t matter if you make all your shots before the game if you don’t make them in the game. Similarly, he might look awful on the court and put up the most shots (at the lowest percentage) but somehow he still winds up with the near the most points and decent rebound or assist numbers. Meaningless point, but when I went to the box score I would have never guessed he had 17 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists. The rest I understood.

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by Packey on Dec 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

“When I look at the box score I often look at the big stats first. Points. Rebounds. Assists. Then I go to turnovers and FG/FA. So to me, 17/9/4 is not all that bad. I completely agree, he did not have a good game. I was putting thoughts to blog and probably should have put more thought into that bullet before posting it.”

For a second, I thought you were going crazy ;)

by brgulker on Dec 4, 2009 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

Been a stressful week

In the middle of law school exams, so my mind has been on other things. So maybe I am ha

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by Packey on Dec 4, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

But seriously

17/9/4 is not all that bad at first glance…then I look at the other #s and everything I watched is justified…

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by Packey on Dec 4, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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