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Game 30: Detroit Pistons @ Toronto Raptors

Apologies for "just barely in time" preview -- these 1 PM starts are sneaky.

Detroit Pistons: 11-18 (3-12 Road)
Margin: -3.6

Toronto Raptors: 14-17 (9-5 Home)
Margin: -2.7

Oppo Research:

Well, this team should be familiar -- they gave the Pistons a 30-point drubbing on Wednesday.  So I'll skip ahead to the big news of the day ...

The Drama:

Tayshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton are returning to the starting lineup! Prince has missed the last 26 with a ruptured disc in his back, while Hamilton has been in and out of the lineup with a sprained ankle and, more recently, a pulled hamstring. Jonas Jerebko remains in the starting lineup, sliding over to the four. 

Plus, Vince Ellis of the Free Press confirms that Ben Gordon is also active, meaning the Pistons will have a complete arsenal since, well, the first time all season (if you recall, Austin Daye and Jerebko were sidelined for the first game, which is when Hamilton went down.) 

Question of the Game:

Will the return of the veterans revive Detroit's putrid ball movement of late? And how long will everyone remain healthy? 

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Sneaky

Damn, possibly the sneakiest early start time of the year. I was flipping through channels and pleasantly surprised to find a live pistons game.

And we got our guys back! Tay with a jumper, Stuckey with a crazy luck shot layup off the top of the backboard.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

perhaps

this will be the end of the Pistons leaving shooters wide open for 3?

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

hope so

JJ and Tay look like a good combo for perimeter defense (Tay appears to be moving great). But JJ on Bosh isn’t gonna work.

Also, Stuckey on offense… not looking so good.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

still

pretty anemic offense – they’re so hesitant to shoot the ball until it’s 4 on the clock

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

yup

I still have no idea why we’re the slowest (or 2nd slowest) paced team in the league.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI

This game is also being broadcast on CBC, if for some reason you wanted to hear how the other side watches the game. (I imagine this won’t mean much to folks living outside metro Detroit …)

by Matt Watson on Dec 27, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

how many

dunks has CV missed this year?

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

his foot

probably isn’t helping

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

amir

defending him will hopefully help.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

when did they

learn to play D in Toronto?

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Raptors aren't going to continue shooting 75%

I’d be shocked if the Pistons shot below 30% for a 2nd straight game.

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by Packey on Dec 27, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

FG%

Damn, Packey beat me to the punch

Toronto is 9/12… 75%

Detroit is 5/17… 30%

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

tonight's the night

i’m getting a small curly fry. i feel it

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Gordon...

is way off. Probably to be expected. But damn, I don’t think I’ve seen him brick a shot like that in a while.

CV looks pretty terrible this afternoon.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

jerebko

is the one bright spot so far

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

jonas

is looking great, tho

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

he's hustling

stupid, bullshit fucking call there against him.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well

we gave up two less points than the last first quarter

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

his foot wasn't stepped on

He just got crossed uppp

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by Packey on Dec 27, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

league pass

isnt working so im listening to the game. do they look as bad as it sounds?

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

worse

but at least it’s rust, not being out of gas. there’s hope

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on your perspective ...

It’s a huge step up from Wednesday’s game against the Raps. As bad as the percentages are right now (DET shooting 30%, TOR 68%), it could be a lot worse than a seven-point game.

by Matt Watson on Dec 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

meh

IMO, they don’t look completely terrible, just a lot of the same problems we’ve seen this season…

I liked what I saw from Tay. Rip and Gordon are rusty as hell though. And Chunky looks like he packed on an extra couple pounds over the holidays.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

...also

our brief smallball line-up to start the game is hopefully not going to be around much longer. I did not enjoy watching JJ try to check Bosh.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Shooting percentage

Just watching the stats on nba.com. Is there a reason we’re shooting about 30% and they are shooting about 70%?

by Toledo Joe on Dec 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

yes

we can’t hit a bucket and we’re letting ’em into the lane

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

rusty

Gordon is completely broke right now.

And Stuckey just missed an easy and-1.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

very old school, Gordon using the glass to get himself going.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

gordon

off the glass…
and CV with some D

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

win or lose

i’m giddy… we’re back and healthy, first time since game 1 of the season… that’s big

by mannie32 on Dec 27, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

good point

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

hope that shakes some of the rust off

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

damn

thats frustrating. T on rip

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

What the hell...

That continuation call was garbage.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

cut it to 5

do it

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

i said

5, not 15

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

CV31, Ben Gordon, Prince = not needed.

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 27, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

that's one reason why...

I don’t like JJ at PF. With Rip back, we need guys at PF/C who can set some legit screens. JJ is not that type of guy yet.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

his "aggressiveness"

is also hurting us right now. Those aren’t smart fouls… Basically free points for Toronto.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

correct, but JJ has to be out there somehow…

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 27, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

meh

I’d be happy with smaller doses of JJ. I get that Q is trying to monitor the minutes of all the guys who just got back, but I’d like to see JJ splitting minutes with Daye, rather than getting all of them himself.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

JJ

is filling in for Max by setting moving screens

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

because he’s somewhat reverting to bad-Stuckey mode, where he puts his head down and charges directly into the defense on every possession.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Stuckey plays better without a full pistons lineup, and the pistons play better whens stuckey plays well.

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 27, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

what we need

is an awesome sports montage with ripping 80s rock music – the montage would feature this team gelling and overcoming a double-digit defecit

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

It would end with the previously evil Bosh realizing the error of his ways and starting a slow clap, which leads to him and Stuckey giving each other a man hug and it being clear that they respect each other.

Then Max would punch that douche Bellineli in the face.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the broadcast on fox sports is strangely quiet.

like they have golf audience rules or something in toronto.

by dandresden on Dec 27, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

we can hear the players better this way

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 27, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

we can more easily hear Ben go “oh, shit” when he flops

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone

want to argue that they look better than Wednesday now?

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

They'll score more than 64

But they might give up 120

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by Packey on Dec 27, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

big ben's

knee could explode

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

a girdle accident is borderline unmentionable.shame on you, dan

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

si

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

*Warning* Math!

We scored roughly the equivalent of 87 points per 100 possessions.

Toronto scored roughly 127 points per 100 possessions.

that sucks :(

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Subject anxiety

The vets will need a few games to get back into the swing of things. In the interim our season moves ever closer to another season of tragic.

by MotownRa on Dec 27, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

so i was told in school

from great tragedy, comes great triumph

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 27, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

life and death

joy and sadness, the duplicitous edge upon which we all tread

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh Another slow as molasses possession.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

…didn’t realize that would bold the word.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Finish that shit Ben!

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

what is this move

where Tay turns his back to the basket and attempts to back his defender down?

oh, yes. it is called “posting up.” we should do more of that.

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Fuck yeah. JJ attacking.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

we need a link

to a viking horn

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by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yessir

Jerebko!

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by Packey on Dec 27, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Why the fack did we just take a timeout???

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

Stuckey with a nice defensive play

Then tries to alley oop one to himself off the backboard?

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by Packey on Dec 27, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Dammit Stuck, why do you take such horrible shots sometimes?

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

you get teed up

for saying “god damn”?

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

that was a dumb non-call too

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

How is it that we've taken 11 more shots than them?

I guess we have four more rebounds and four fewer TOs. . . .

by Toledo Joe on Dec 27, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

Are you kidding me… So Bargs gets a fucking foul call because he runs awkwardly.

Ball don’t lie though, I guess.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

thought

that shoulda been an offensive

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

haha

blaha said ‘in and outer’

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Jeez. Calling a touch foul at the very end of the quarter.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

5-point game?

I’ll take it. Could be better, had that run lasted a little longer. But it could be much, much worse.

by Matt Watson on Dec 27, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

The refs

are calling all sorts of bullshit.

by Kriz on Dec 27, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

Rip and Gordon, 9 for 25?

Still a bit rusty, I guess. I also note from the boxscore that Kwame hasn’t played.

by Toledo Joe on Dec 27, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

wilcox

with an excellent pick and roll

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

The Raptors are 20-30 in FTs?

That’s keeping the game close, I guess.

by Toledo Joe on Dec 27, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

ugh

not more watching the shot clock

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Not giving ourselves any margin for error with how long we’re taking to get into the offense.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

let me guess

a foul call on BG. stupid.

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Bob Delaney is fucking idiot.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

i almost forgot

how well BG can draw fouls

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

man

its good to have tay back

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

oh, tay

how I have missed your post moves

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

tay’s all “Keep proposing trades involving me, bitches. Keep it up.”

just EPINION

by real Rob G on Dec 27, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

aw

if that 3 went in…

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

damn

really wish that had gone in.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Blaha: “Baaad Call.”

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Jonas chin

got in the way of Barnani’s shoulder.

by Kriz on Dec 27, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Make up call on Ben

Because the odds are against him

by Kriz on Dec 27, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Good job Stuck

that was a great flop. Much needed.

by Kriz on Dec 27, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

NICE PASS! Thank you Rip!

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Damn. Really wish that had dropped

by Gabe F-B on Dec 27, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

ahh

another shot that shoulda gone in

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

as long as

nobody gets injured in the last 30 seconds, ill be happy

by openwindow on Dec 27, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Getting rid of the rust

Rip and Gordon were a combined 10-35. I’m thinking they will be putting up better numbers soon.

by Toledo Joe on Dec 27, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

post-game thread

Something we’ll try after games so we can keep discussions separate until full recap is up. Go Here

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by Packey on Dec 27, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

It’s nice to have most of the team healthy for a change. Tay and Rip will need a couple of games to get their rhythm back, but I’m anxious to see how the team does once that happens.

by V. on Dec 27, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

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