Pistons at 76ers Game Thread
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 9, 2009 6:09 PM CST
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Game starts now! Foiled by the early start time.
Will Iverson deform our defense and deliver a rare win for the hobbled 76ers?
Will the Pistons stop trying to shoot three pointers entirely?
Will Matt beat me to the punch here, creating an awkward double thread?
Let's find out!
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I just logged in to do so, you beat me by a minute!
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2009 6:11 PM CST reply actions
Someone post a working link please, FSN+ is at it again!
by De4our on Dec 9, 2009 6:11 PM CST reply actions
http://www.atdhe.net/10614/watch-detroit-pistons-vs-philadelphia-sixers
That’s actually giving me the Pacers/Blazers, but maybe it’ll switch at 7:30 or so?
Also, I didn’t know Haywoode Workman was a ref. Neat.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions
the usual p2pk stream is password protected? anybody have any other ideas for online watching?
by Joe K on Dec 9, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:14 PM CST reply actions
Look at the D from Iverson, block and a steal already. What’s Chucky doing in the starting lineup? lol
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions
LPBB is showing Pacers/Blazers. I find myself upset. Oh, well, I have to teach a class anyway.
by Rob G on Dec 9, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions
Shout out to the dude behind the Sixers bench with the freakishly large ice cream cone
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions
You guys are not missing anything yet. Other than our ability to score or control the ball.
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions
Alright Coach Kuester, bring in the good players now. KTHNX.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions
Download veetle and use the link I’ve put up, Im watching the game there
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions
i stand corrected, the link is now working. and we are not doing well…
by Joe K on Dec 9, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions
LOLOLOL! Stuckey just made AI fall to the fucking ground.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions
Rodney Stuckey just made Iverson fall and the crowd went, “Oooooo!” then he calmly hit the jumper. Oh yes.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions
OH SHIT STUCKEY DROPPED IVERSON AND HIT THE J!
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions
Suck on my MFWBalls, AI. Bynum is in the game.
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2009 6:21 PM CST reply actions
No awkward double thread — I was foiled by the time, too.
by Matt Watson on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions
p_p: Thank you very, very much! That link is great :)
(hope that doesn’t jinx it)
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions
WILL BYNUM OVER ALLEN IVERSON?! I REPEAT. WILL BYNUM………OVER ALLEN IVERSON!
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions
that lil’ jumper of Max’s has been going in lately.
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions
It’s 7-8 after six minutes? Guess I didn’t miss much …
by Matt Watson on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions
Max just tried to eat Dalembert’s babies. Nice start, fellas.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions
That was the laziest loose ball i’ve ever seen. Wtf. no one got on the floor for us?!
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions
Stons being sloppy and Sixers turning that defensive heat.
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions
Max has to dive on the ground for that loose ball. 4 point swing there.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions
If anybody hears booing during Iverson FT attempts, that’s me.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions
OM: Shout out, “Deform the defense, Iverson!” when it’s quiet.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:27 PM CST reply actions
Pistons gotta take advantage of that mismatch with Iverson on Stuckey
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions
we’re 5th in least amount of turnovers? who woulda thunk?
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions
@ Joe K
Everyone is looking sloppy so far
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:30 PM CST reply actions
I’m sitting real close to a camera, so I may actually be audible.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions
@ Other Matt
And if we hear someone screaming while being pummeled by other Sixers fans would that be you as well? lol
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:32 PM CST reply actions
JJ looking awful. Wheres? Daye?!
Lays it up, lays it in! Count that baby and a foul!
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 6:34 PM CST reply actions
Awesome play, Stuck. Jump HIGH for the rebound and take it right to the hole— and a foul.
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2009 6:35 PM CST reply actions
lmao. called it. Daye came in 10 seconds after my post went thru
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 6:35 PM CST reply actions
“Jerebko is a rugged guy………even though he’s from abroad.”
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:35 PM CST reply actions
Iverson tried to take Bynum, couldn’t do it.
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions
gotta give Stuckey props for taking the big assignments and really doing a solid job, in my opinion hes progressing great.
by rban on Dec 9, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions
If you hear AIR BALL! AIR BALL! Next time AI touches it that’s me.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions
So that was one of our worst quarters of basketball in a while and we’re up by 2.
We need to put the hammer down on Philly, cut the turnovers, and just generally not beat ourselves. They’re not a very good team, but if we keep playing the way we’re playing they can beat us.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 PM CST reply actions
Great block by Daye!
And Kwame blows what should have been an easy assist from Stuckey.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions
why wasn’t that an offensive? green ran right into him? were his feet really that not set?
by Joe K on Dec 9, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions
Its no wonder Philly has lost 9 straight. They are a fundamentally dumb basketball team jeeze. All the Pistons gotta do is set picks on them.
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions
Big Ben’s gotta show Daye how to flop there. He was in perfect position to take a charge, but because he didn’t sprawl backwards like he just got shot, the refs didn’t call it.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions
Attn: Allen Iverson
You suck.
Sincerely,
Piston fans.
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions
@rban:
22/5/5 44.4% shooting in the last six games.
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions
Will has a couple of shooters there, he has to try to find him.
Coach, post up Charlie.
by Kriz on Dec 9, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions
Don’t like what I’m seeing from MFWB. Taking some horrible, AI-esque shots.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions
League Pass Broadband showing the wrong game again! That’s 4 games flogged this season, extremely frustrating.
by Rotten Atom on Dec 9, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions
I always love seeing Kapono, one of the best three-point shooters in the league, take one step inside the line for the long two. Good times.
by Birdman on Dec 9, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions
Heard someone yell Ball Don’t Lie when Iverson missed that free throw.
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions
Gah. Cake hands.
Was that you, Other Matt, who was booing loudly during AI’s FT’s?
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions
CV31 should really play down low more.
I feel like I’ve been saying that for the last 5 years.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions
all the FTA leaders are superduperstars, lends credence to what Donaghy said, no?
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions
The immortal Hollywood Cake taking Elton Brand to school!
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions
scntfc: I’ve always wondered that about the league. If Player X is going to foul LeBron on the way to the rim, then he’s probably going to foul a lot of other guys on their way to the rim, too. Stuckey is a prime example, though, of a guy throwing his body into defenders and just not getting those calls.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions
Jerebko with an offensive rebound, then tipping another board back out. Awesome.
by Birdman on Dec 9, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions
Yes that was me. I’m taking credit for that first miss.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions
Pistons looking like crap…
Sixer looking just as bad lol
I see why both teams are under .500
God do I miss BG Tay and RIP, we could use the offense
by KG on Dec 9, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions
to get foul calls a player has to show that he can make shots. le bron and kobe make shots. ai used to. stuckey doesn’t.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Dec 9, 2009 6:58 PM CST reply actions
So Elton gets the call for body contact, but CV didn’t get it on the other end?
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions
Our bigs are making Brand look like he’s worth the money…
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions
Alright, who’s the better rebounder and defender? Ben or Rodman?
I say Rodman, but it is very very close.
by Birdman on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions
I’m officially ready to not watch Kwame anymore. What a truly terrible player.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions
How come they didn’t put nazi mohammed in the question about best pistons rebounders?
by Joe K on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions
Royal Ivey is in…we should definitely go on a big run now.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions
Horrible defense from JJ. Completely lost his man, giving up an open 3.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions
Nice take Stuckey…should have gotten a foul with that lay up.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions
Kwame Brown is 6-6 from the free throw line?
Buwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions
CV has a horrible habit of bring his arms down hard when he gets posted up. Brand worked himself into a weird off-balance shot, and instead of just letting him try to make it, CV brought both arms down and got called for the foul.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions
Any game where Kwame has a double digit first half is beautiful.
by Mike S on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey bears an eery resemblance to AI this game.
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey’s agression is one of the few bright points of an otherwise ugly ass game
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions
LOL yea pretty much^ awful half of basketball both teams lol
by KG on Dec 9, 2009 7:14 PM CST reply actions
An instructional DVD of that half should be sold under the title:
“How to lose to crappy teams”
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions
George and Greg sound like they’re trying to talk into a speakerphone that’s across the room.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions
@Gulk: Elton Brand for them, Kwame and Max for us. Somewhat Rodney
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions
Without Gordon, Hamilton, and Prince, the talent level between Philly and Detroit is minimal.
So we’re both crappy teams right now. Also, Philly has lost 10 straight so you know they’re desperate for a win.
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions
On the bright side, Atlanta is beating Chicago and Portland is beating Indiana. Not sure who to root for in the Toronto/Milwaukee game.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions
@QD: Toronto! Think of the film festivals, QD! The film festivals!
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions
@Gabe, I’ve noticed that about CV too. He’ll play good defense and then he’ll not keep his arms straight up and get a stupid unnecessary foul.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions
Garrett, which team is more of a threat to keep Detroit out of the playoffs. I’m not sure. I’ll root for Toronto, since Milwaukee is in the division.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions
Who’s good?
-Stuckey. He’s being aggressive and has a couple lay-ups near the rim, as well as a few trips to the line.
-Kwame. When he’s on, he’s a foul-drawing machine. He’s on, besides one silly turnover.
-Elton Brand. He’s aggressive, and forcing the Piston bigs to foul him in the low post.
The bad:
-Will Bynum’s jump shot. He’s forced a couple stinkers, but played decent defense at least.
-AI. He’s getting near the rim, but missing all but one of his shots. He looks like a guy who’s been drinking Hennessey the past 8 months.
-Jerebko’s offensive game. He’s a black hole of missed shots, blocked attempts, and weird turnovers.
-Everyone else. Because this is a sloppy, stagnant game.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions
Sidenote: I heard someone talking about Ocean of Pearls at a video store the other day. Is that one of your films, QD?
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions
That was the worst pass attempt ever by JJ leading to that Igoudala dunk.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions
Allen Iverson looking like Allen Iverson to start
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Maxiell is working the little jumper tonight. Looks good!
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Maxiell is quietly having a nice, confident game. It’s good to see him shoot jumpers with conviction.
At this point, I’d rather have the ball in Ben’s hands than Jonas’. He’s like a free turnover.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions
This is not JJ’s day on offense. It’s good that he’s still hustling and playing D though.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions
Very impressive D by Stuck. And hes running the team greeat right now.
by rban on Dec 9, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions
im royally pissed b/c i cant watch the game b/c nbaleaugue pass has fucked up again
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions
1.) Chucky Atkins is outplaying Allen Iverson.
2.) Chucky had a choice between Baby-Eatin’ Max and Bobblehands on that break. Guess who got their shot blocked in a 2-hand fashion?
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions
And just to prove that he’s getting a feed of this thread in his left ear, JJ makes a nice cut to make me look foolish.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions
haha murphy’s law, just as i complain! nba league pass finally fixed the problem
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions
The commentators are loving Stuckey. It’s nice to hear him get some praise from the other guys.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions
Without a doubt one of Stuckeys best all around games.
by rban on Dec 9, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions
Detroit putting on them surgical gloves right now
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions
Wow, how did JJ finish that? Dalembert has had his number all game. I thought for sure he was going to eat that layup attempt.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey is slowly improving his ability to run the pick and roll. Last year he just sprinted hard towards the hoop or picked up his dribble if the other team doubled hard. He’s actually showing some patience now and keeping his dribble alive..it’s good to see him mixing hit up.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions
actually this is a pretty good start to the 3rd qtr. I’m impressed.
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions
lol that wasnt words of encouragement lol
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions
I find myself compelled to say the negative Stuckey comments repeatedly found on these threads usually make me scratch my head. Tonight, I find them nearly intolerable.
by Waulie on Dec 9, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions
Crazy line-up in right now.
Chucky, JJ, Charlie V, Maxiel and Wallace.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions
How was that not a charge on Thad Young? You could see that coming as soon as he crossed half court and Big Ben was just waiting for him.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions
Sweet no look pass by JJ. Too bad Charlie missed the wide open 3.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions
Off topic: What the hell happened to the Bulls? I looked up and now they’re losing by like 28. This is like the 4th major blowout in a week.
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions
Who is asking for these pull up threes from Atkins?
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 9, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions
Fire Del Negro now? I guess they miss that Ben Gordon guy?
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions
Waulie: What negative Stuckey comments are you referring to?
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions
“Off topic: What the hell happened to the Bulls?”
We signed their best player.
by Kevin Sawyer on Dec 9, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions
Garrett…The reason for the Bulls struggles can’t be the loss of Ben Gordon. According to Berri he’s a below average player in wins produced.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions
Charlie with the nice post up. Oh I how miss those.
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions
Automatic, baby. CV needs to go to that more often.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions
Great hustle JJ. Came from the 3 point line to grab that offensive rebound.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions
We were starting to pull away until they got dunks from Iggy and Dalembert. Max has been terrific, should have played more in the first half.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions
incredible that we’re winning (even if it’s close) considering we’re playing w/o rip, tay and gordon
almost makes no sense, sixers have a lot of talent, just somehow are sucking hard
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 7:52 PM CST reply actions
AI must have told his coach he was ready to come out now.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions
If Kwame had any hands whatsoever, how many dunks would he have this game?
Also, who the hell is Villanawaver?
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions
JJ still hustling his ass off. Now someone needs to teach him how to dribble. Fucking Jason Kapono is face guarding him, any semblance of a dribble drive will beat him cleanly.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions
we should be up double digits against this team even without tay rip and bg im sorry they just suck that bad…lol the sixers that is..
by KG on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions
Also, Kwame has a really strange hitch when he shoots FTs that I’d never noticed before.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions
@Gabe: My bad. I guess I’m just used to reading so many Stuckey sucks comments that my eyes play tricks on me. That said, there were a few and there was one that is possibly the worst remark one could ever make about a player…..
“Stuckey bears an eery resemblance to AI this game.”
-scntfc
by Waulie on Dec 9, 2009 7:57 PM CST reply actions
gdamnit! nba league pass screws up aaaaaagain! for some reason they switched back to indiana game, not cool!
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions
Pistons have made just 13 of their last 63 three pointers.
by kevin s. on Dec 9, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions
I hate it when the opposing team’s commentators make fun of Kwame.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
god i wish we could just put this team away…
this game is making me sick…
by KG on Dec 9, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
And the Kwame-Magic has run out. He’s killing us on both offense and defense right now.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
I was waiting for our 4th quarter collapse and here it comes…
by KG on Dec 9, 2009 8:02 PM CST reply actions
Relax Waulie, In the first half. Stuck drove to the basket repeatedly and ignored the open man. sometimes he drew the foul sometimes he didn’t.
If I say he bears an eery resemblance to D. Wade will you stop moaning over “all” of these comments that you speak about? Ok here it is…
Stuckey is getting more calls. if he falls down a little more he will bear a…
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions
@ Waulie
He maybe trash now but he was once an MVP and a 10 time all-star. I’ll take the comparison
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Who is this Elton Brand guy? He seems like he’s pretty good…
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions
If no one wants to gaurd Stuckey I’ll take those points
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions
Ben Wallace draws at least one of those fouls every game. He flails a bit because he gets bumped and he makes a big groaning noise and the refs ALWAYS call it.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply actions
Of all the people to hit our first three, it’s “Offensive Black Hole” Jerebko.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 8:08 PM CST reply actions
AI jumping up and cheering but you know he saying under his breahe “Ooooooh I wish I could get in the game”
lol
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Basketball gods are against the Pistons tonight with that last possession for philly….
by KG on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 PM CST reply actions
Look on the bright side fellas. If nothing else, Stuckey is gonna get his buckets and eventually Eddie Jordan is gonna put AI in the game in the last few mins.
We got this.
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions
This just isnt fair. No BG, Rip, or Tay. Bynum is still hurt by ankle/hamstring and just tweaked something.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 8:11 PM CST reply actions
oh how fun it is to follow the game via the box score when u’ve paid for nba leaugue pass
anywh, glad to “see” jerebko made a 3… hope we can squeeze out a win out of this group
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions
looks like styuckey is having a great, great game
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions
Good D by Ben on Dre
And Stuckey is the go-to
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions
“Allen Iverson enters the game for Jason Kapono”
- GameCast
by Colin on Dec 9, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions
God what I wouldn’t give to see this team healthy.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions
Since when Samuel Dalembert play like an All-star?
Max!!!!
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions
QD: Same here. So hard to guess how the pieces fit together with our current depleted rotation.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply actions
Tough foul on Jerebko after hitting that big shot.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions
my guess:
stuckey, bynum
rip, gordon
tay, jerebko
maxiell, cv (or vice versa)
big ben, kwame
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions
If Jerebko could learn to dribble, he could be better than Tayshaun.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions
Is it rude to call him Chucky Fatkins? Do I care?
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions
Really dumb overplay by Atkins. He had no chance at that steal.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions
Alright, let’s get a stop and then put in the game winning shot.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions
what are u guys talking about? boxscore must be behind… it’s still 86 all right?
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions
This bitch going into overtime. What do you think?
That or Charlie V hits the game winner (watch…not stuckey)
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions
yeah, Mannie, but Chucky made a dumb mistake and left AI WIDE open for the tying jumper. Now we have the ball with 16 seconds left on the shot clock during a time out. 23.7 left in the game.
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions
I love Stuckey, but I don’t trust him for a game winner. Not yet at least.
by Kriz on Dec 9, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions
Ben did nice by holding his ground, but HUGE board by Stuckey! Even though it was set up by 3 Philly players biffing the rebound.
What play do we run? A Stuckey double-clutch special?
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions
I like how the commentator was pretty certain Igoudala got bumped, and kept repeating it over and over. And the more they showed the replay (which was obvious he didn’t get bumped) he just sort of stopped talking.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions
Very exciting game.
Who will step up in the clutch?
by Diablo on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 PM CST reply actions
I hope Stuckey drives and kicks. Or possibly finds a cutting Jerebko to the rim.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey gets backed, gets it back and hits it! God damn, man!
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions
Okay, I don’t always like being right.
But nice hustle and heads-up play to put it up quick afterward.
by Zachatollah on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions
wow, nice shot, but that was one of those “glad it worked, but not a good shot” times. he should pulled it back for the buzzer shot. if that had missed… well, I’m just happy he made it.
by Joe K on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions
Did Stuckey really get his shot blocked, miss a lay up, get the rebound and then make a jumper? That’s the play by play according to GameCast.
by Colin on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Thanks for not getting that defensive board AI, so Stuckey could get it instead and hit that shot!
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Thank fucking god. How the hell did we leave Iggy wide open?
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Good hustle Stuck! It was AI’s fault he was to slow to get to the loose ball. lol!
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Nice win. Needed that with a loss coming tomorrow.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
stuckey baby!!! man too bad i missed most of this game, seemed like one of the more exciting ones we’ve had
stuckey showed up in the second half which is promising, and distributed the ball well too
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey has got some luck on his side tonight…how did Iggy miss that 3?
by Diablo on Dec 9, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions
Wasn’t that a moving screen on Thad Young to knock out Stuckey and leave Igoudala wide open like that? We totally dodged a bullet with a hideous win, but any kind of win over AI is a good win.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions
Escaped. Stuckey played big. Sixers played hard, AI played hard (not hating)
Lets keep things moving with this win.
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions
The Pistons have won 4 of their last 5.
Dare I say we’re playoff bound?
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions
Best comment I’ve read:
“30% shooting and 6 turnovers. A year late, but Iverson is finally winning games for us.”
by Terrence Lynch on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions
So… Let’s just pretend this game never happened. Probably the worst we’ve played in a win this season.
by Gabe on Dec 9, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions
Nice win short handed on the road. Great game for Stuckey.
10-19 fg, 7-7 ft, 27 pts, 8 asts, 5 rbds, 1 stl and only 2 TO’s.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions
And he didn’t get that bebound that almost bounced right into his lap after Stuckey was blocked! Fiverson FTW.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions
Bulls, Pacers and Raptors losing. Bucks win though.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions
Down 3 key players, Detroit stacked up even with bottom-feeding Philly. And they beat Philly.
More important than that, they beat AI.
Take that answer, Allen Iverson’s mom. Run your gaudy bejeweled Sixers-clad raggedy ass back to the crack of the earth you came from. Take your reptilian son with you.
sends death rays through the psychic highway to AI Nation
by Sauce1977 on Dec 9, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions
We play some ugly-ass basketball, but it’s exciting to see new faces and hard work even if it’s rusty sometimes.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions
in other news, del negro is about to get fired. chicago is getting… hmm, what’s a good word here… shellacked, again.
by Joe K on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions
Aw come on Gabe
Anytime our band of rejects (I say that in a loving manner) can get a grind it out win over a team with superior talent (granted, they suck) it is a good game in my book.
A lot of guys went out and played well beyond their expectations. They kept their composure down the stretch and pulled out the win. They may be sloppy at times, and yes, it was ugly, but you got to love the fight in this team.
Kwame got 11 and 5, Max got 12 and 5 and Jerebko 17 and 10. You HAVE to love that kind of game.
by Kriz on Dec 9, 2009 8:43 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, let’s count 5 key players, Billups for a hot sack of talking shit back in 2008.
Guess Reptiliospineless Menopracticica might need a lil’ more practice.
by Sauce1977 on Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions
And fuck you too Larry Brown for encouraging the lizard to return.
by Sauce1977 on Dec 9, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions
On an off-topic note: John Wall is the future, but you already knew that. Fun player to watch right now
by Prophecy_projectz on Dec 9, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions
@Gabe, who gives a f*&^ about style points man. We’re down 3 key players and Bynum went out hurt and we still win, and you’re bitching about “ugly win”. Obviously not a true ‘Stones fan. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya on your way out the door. Good win boys. Loving the heart this team is showing. Fantastic games by Stuckey and JJ. Kwame hit 7-8 FT, way to go KB. Great overall team effort from looking at the box score. I thought we were maybe a .500 team anyway before injuries. Now we’re almost at .500 without Tay and Rip. Loving this team so far. Q-ster gets a big thumbs up for teaching the boys how to fight no matter what.
by E-Double on Dec 9, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions
Speaking of Q-Star, has anyone seen/heard/read any good interviews with him? I haven’t really been looking, but E-Double makes a good point — whatever Q-Star is doing, he needs to keep it up. Has he talked at all about his style or philosophy lately? What a difference a coach can make, huh? I wonder how he’s able to get these guys to go all out while Curry was able to get them to go the opposite of all out.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions
The thing about this game is, We played that first half ugly as hell. the only one who was consistent throughout was Maxiel, and Damn! did he surprise tonight. I’m very pleased to see our guys (JJ) stick it out and really pick their game up in the end.This game coulda’ easily been written off as just one of our road woes. But once again they are displaying that grit that we seemed to have lost a few yrs back. For lack of a better term, this game was intoxicating. Im still buzzed.
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions
The book on Kuester is that he’s “positive” and “detail-oriented.”
by Quick Darshan on Dec 9, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions
@Garret.
The main thing I gather from Qster is positive reinforcement. He always speaks so highly of everyone. even mightcox. In Joe’s interview he mentioned that the players spend a lot of time in coach’s office, more than he’s ever noticed before. So my guess is that he just has a good rapport w/ the team. besides a lil’ x&O skill.
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions
I must admit though, different cast of characters Garrett. AI and Sheed half-assing it could ruin any teams chemistry and overall hustle mentality. Glad their gone. Wonderful box score, 20 assts and only 9 turnovers and we outrebounded them. Our FT shooting was phenomenal also. I wonder if this version of Stuck is here to stay? If so, we’re in for some good times ahead boys.
by E-Double on Dec 9, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Gabe was maybe being a little negative, but he’s definitely a true Pistons fan.
by Colin on Dec 9, 2009 9:11 PM CST reply actions
27pts, 8asts, 5rbds, 1stl, 10/19fg, 7/7ft
If you posted those numbers and asked people to blindly guess who’s stats they were, who would you guess?
D-Wade, all day. Maybe Stuckey wants to play in the Real Olympics finally.
by Joel on Dec 9, 2009 9:13 PM CST reply actions
Exciting game. Just caught the end on the trusty ol’ DVR. Stuckey was the man, man.
Iguodala made my night by missing the MOST WIDE OPEN SHOT EVER. Guess a 10-game losing streak will do that to a guy.
Glad we made it 11 and stuck it (even if just a little bit) to Cry-verson.
by TDP on Dec 9, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions
Glad we got that ugly win since it will be considerably more difficult to beat Denver without Rip, Tay , BG and possibly MFWB.
by Colin on Dec 9, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions
OK, it was ugly all around; the Sixers look worse playing the game than reading their lineup card would indicate; lots of guys on Detroit made several really bad plays each; the lineups we’re using must be some of the worst 3-pt shooting lineups in the league; and we needed to get lucky on both our last offensive and last defensive possession.
But dang, we got key baskets from Chucky and Maxy; Stuckey had a really fine game; JJ got a double-double including 17 and 4 in the second half alone; Kwame was in double digits for points and was CLUTCH I say CLUTCH from the FT line; Ben W. was doing his thing (12 boards, 4 steals; we outrebounded them 45-32; we were without Ben G., Rip, and Tay, and Bynum was hurt and we still got a road win.
Nice to see the effort pay off, and Detroit deserves a couple of bounces going their way. Oh, and not that I’m a big +/- fan, but tied for the lead in that category for Detroit and for the game? Chucky and Big Ben.
by Toledo Joe on Dec 9, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions
I like how two of our youngest players logged the most minutes and put up the type of #s they did
someone already posted Stuck’s, but how bout this for JJ.
17pts,10rbds,2ast. in 38 minutes of play. he also led the team with 4 turnovers. but he made up for it with some clutch plays late in the game.
and did anyone catch that we are 5th lowest in the league for turnovers?
by scntfc on Dec 9, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions
I agree with you guys. Coach Q is definitely pushing the right buttons. Dumars gives him some nice compliments in this interview with Langlois.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/dumars_091207.html
When Toronto loses in a couple minutes we’ll have sole possession of 8th place.
by Jim on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions
Regarding attendance issues, from the ESPN.com game recap:
“The Sixers were counting on Iverson’s marquee name to serve as a box office. They drew 20,000-plus in his homecoming Monday night, but attendance plummeted to 12,136 against the Pistons. That’s just a tick more than the 11,965 they averaged in their first eight home games.”
by Birdman on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 PM CST reply actions
@Birdman,
That has to be the paid attendance. The place was no more than half full.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions
Oh, and Sixers fans are atrocious. They spent the better part of the 4th quarter — the part while their team was coming back — chanting “we want AI!” Truly horrible.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions
Another DNP for Wilcox. Dude’s gotta be getting traded. Seems Nazr-esque.
by TDP on Dec 9, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions
I’m just glad we don’t have Curry anymore. If Rip, Tay, and BG went down he would probably hang himself.
by Big Mike on Dec 9, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions
Any win is a good win, If Gordon can play tomorrow ,and is anywhere near healthy I think we can take Denver ,they’re not nearly as dominating on the road.
by Defor on Dec 9, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions
man just a few weeks ago when we had that 7 game losing streak it seemed like we were doomed, closer to the bottom of the condeference than anything else
but all it took was winning 4 out of 5 and the rest of the east sucking monkey balls and we’re officially at the 8th spot! oh, and the return of tay and rip seems closer than ever
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions
Didn’t see the game at all, but it seems that people grumble a bit much when the Pistons fall behind. Look, this is a team that was expected to maybe win between 35-45 games, was playing on the road, and is missing its two top scorers and an Olympian. You tell any of us at the beginning of the year that the Pistons would get a combined 11 points from Rip, BG, Tay, and Villanueva AND STILL WIN—ON THE ROAD (even against an awful team), and we would be incredulous at the very least.
Seems like a splendid win. Add three fringe all-stars to the mix (while keeping the spirit and cohesiveness thus far created) and this could be a really successful season.
by robotboy15 on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions
Big Mike makes a good point…imagine this team with Curry at the helm. I’d be running in horror. We’d probably be seeing lineups with Stuckey at the 4. lol
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions
I’m curious to see if Rip and Ben can still pull off the classic pick and roll alley oop, Ben is seeming very limber, I hope he still has enough hops for that.
by rban on Dec 9, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions
this made me smile from the AP’s recap of the game:
Iverson is 0-5 this season — three losses with Memphis; two with the 76ers. Iverson missed seven of 10 shots from the floor and had three assists.
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions
havent watched the game yet but from reading this board it sounds like jerebko played awful yet his final stats (17 pts, 11 rebs) sounds pretty good. did he heat up in the second half or something?
by dandresden on Dec 9, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions
That Rip to Ben alley oop was a thing of beauty. Forgot we could do that again now.
by Michael on Dec 9, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply actions
i guess before the game they were interviewing jj and asked him about the the sixers 10 game losing streak and he replied with “well we are going to make it 11”
is that called a guaran-swede?
by dandresden on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions
I thought Stuckey played really well. From what I’ve seen in the past few games, I think he’s starting to turn the corner. The wave of injuries has given him a chance to prove that he can carry a team if need be. I had pretty good seats by the basket we played offense at in the 2nd half. I was really impressed with his size and quickness. It seemed like he could get to the rim at will. Even the aforementioned horrible horrible Sixers fans were buzzing about him a little bit.
I’m definitely excited to see what happens when all the pieces come back and everybody’s healthy.
by Other Matt on Dec 9, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions
Had company over during the game, so couldn’t comment. But here’s Stuckey across the last seven games:
22.4p 4.7r 5.6a 46%fg 87%ft
by Mike Payne on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 PM CST reply actions
my wallpaper now – http://www.nba.com/pistons/media/wallpaper_091209.jpg
think this is his first game winner, too bad they cropped out the ball haha… looks a lil weird
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey gets criticized when he make poor decisions. We should also applaud his toughness. The guy defends, rebounds and is strong enough to absorb contact from any big man in the league. It’s nice to see him get rewarded for his effort tonight.
by Nick T. on Dec 9, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions
Stuckey better watch out or he might actually become a household name!
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply actions
@mannie: That’s awesome. I love the look on Iverson’s face. “Damn, I should have tried to get that bebound….”
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions
I almost forgot one other reason to give Stuckey a break — he broke AI’s ankles!! It was my pleasure to rewind the DVR at least ten times to watch AI fall to the floor over and over again.
by Nick T. on Dec 9, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply actions
Does anyone have a clip of Stuckey breaking Iverson’s ankles? It sounded awesome but I missed it, having come in too late into the game. Did AI really fall down?
by Birdman on Dec 9, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions
@Garrett
nba.com has a great picture on their front page of iverson’s reaction at some point in the game… now that picture is classic! hands over the head and realizing he is no superstar and his team sucks
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions
yea i wanna see a clip of the ankle breaking, also didnt see it unfortunately
by mannie on Dec 9, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions
And they coincidentally leave it out of the highlight package on NBA.com. Boo-urns.
by Garrett on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 PM CST reply actions
@Birdman: Yeah, he fell down. Right on his ass. It was a thing of beauty. Stuck just looked at him, collected himself, and drained the deuce.
by Cody on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 PM CST reply actions
damn hopefully pistons.com shows that when they upload their longer version of the highlights… ive been waiting for it but they havent put it up yet
by mannie on Dec 10, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions
just started watching the game, its kinda sad that ai cant even take atkins off the dribble anymore.
by dandresden on Dec 10, 2009 1:09 AM CST reply actions
wow, stuckey did totally fuck ai up on that play. he just completely collapsed. its funny that people on other boards just assume once ai gets back into shape his legs will come back, but he’s 35 so maybe they will maybe they wont. seems the latter is more likely.
by dandresden on Dec 10, 2009 1:11 AM CST reply actions
Off topic: Is it just me or has Carlos Delfino been in a lot of highlights this season?
by Diablo on Dec 10, 2009 1:20 AM CST reply actions
@Birdman, go to youtube and search “pistons.” Someone uploaded 10 minutes of highlights. It shows three plays where Sixers get their ankles broken. Two by Stuckey, one by Maxiell.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 AM CST reply actions
delfino looked pretty good in the game we played against the bucks last week.
by dandresden on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 AM CST reply actions
Here’s a pretty thorough 10-minute highlight reel from tonight’s game. Look for Stuckey’s ankle-breaking crossover on AI at about the half-minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1C1JnBh0s
Go Pistons!
by spideymouse on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 AM CST reply actions
E-Double:
Damn, harsh man. I guess watching practically every single game every year, obsessively reading DBB and every other pistons related blog/media, is all canceled out by a single, one sentence comment.
Also, not sure how you inferred that I was complaining about “style points,” when what I said was: [IMO] that was the worst we’ve played this season as a team and still won. Having watched every win this season except for the Atlanta game, I don’t think that’s such an outlandish statement to then be tarred as “obviously not a true fan.”
Colin: Thank you :)
Anyway, overall reaction from game:
Great: Stuckey. He tore up a terrific defender in Iguodala for most of the game. Played solid defense. Was calm and under control, rarely forced things that weren’t there. Made the game winning shot. And most importantly: Made AI eat polished hardwood with a nasty, super quick in/out crossover into a step back jumper. A delightful sequence.
Good: Max. Had the jumper working, which bailed out a couple iffy possessions. Sturdy defense, 2 assists, 0 turnovers, 0 PF’s. Probably should have been given more minutes.
Very Good: JJ in second half. Kwame in first half. JJ drew a shooting foul in the 3rd quarter, sank booth FT’s, and from then on he was a huge difference maker (after those FT’s, he shot 6/7 from the field the rest of the game). Kwame wasn’t perfect in the 1st half, but he was as close as he’ll ever be: Made his FT’s (6/6), 2/3 fga’s, grabbed 4 rebs in 11 mins.
Very Bad: JJ in first half. Kwame in second half. JJ was pretty crappy to start the game: 0/3, with 2 TO’s in the first quarter. And honestly, those numbers don’t do justice to how out-of-sorts he looked. The wheels came off the Kwame-train late in the 3rd after he bobbled what should have been an easy bucket and traveled. From then on, Kwame couldn’t regain his focus and struggled to grab defensive rebounds (had 0 def rebs in 6 mins between the 3rd and 4th) while I struggled not to curse loudly at my computer screen.
Random stat of the night: In 2 minutes and 19 seconds of playing time, The Wrong DaJuan almost managed to not dent the box score at all, but was called for a b.s. shooting foul when AI ran into him, then was immediately taken out of the game.
IMO, this game actually would have been a great spot to give Summers some minutes as part of a big line-up that would play exclusively zone. With jump shooters like AI and Willie Green, we should have been daring Philly to jack up some shots. IMO, a line-up of Stuck/Daye/Summers/CVorJJ/Ben could have been pretty effective tonight.
by Gabe on Dec 10, 2009 1:50 AM CST reply actions
Look, to all those who say Rodney looks like 50 Cent, I’ve never seen it. I can’t stand “50” anyway, so it’s probably better off that there is no resemblance.
zero resemblance.
at all.
by Mike Payne on Dec 10, 2009 2:55 AM CST reply actions
Man, the resemblance is uncanny.
One of my homies here mentioned how positive Kuester is, and like DBB, dude is super high on Stuckey. Good to see.
The game lost 8000 people in attendance compared to Iverson’s return game Monday night. That shit is crazy.
by Skylar on Dec 10, 2009 4:21 AM CST reply actions
Spideymouse, thanks for the link. At the 20 second mark they have conveniently put all three ankle breakers in a row. I think I could watch Iverson falling down all day.
by Birdman on Dec 10, 2009 7:40 AM CST reply actions
Good for Stuckey. I hope he’s at home right now with his buddies watching and re-watching that clip and laughing over and over again.
by Garrett on Dec 10, 2009 8:24 AM CST reply actions
Well, I was hoping for MFWB to deform AI’s ankles, but I’ll take Rodney doing it anyday!
Nice to see Stuck play well for a string of games now. Here’s hoping he’s turned the corner. His shooting numbers are up, he’s not forcing as much, and he’s finding a way to rack up the assists even without a lot of frontcourt scoring (Take the bait, MP ;) )
Random Rodney Stat of the Day:
I suspected that playing at SG was boosting his numbers. I was wrong. Over the course of the season, Rodney’s PER is drastically better at PG that at any other spot:
(per 48)
PG: 31.0
SG: 16.7
SF: 12.4
This seems to be true for D as well. When he’s matched up against PG, SG, or SF, his highest net production is when he’s at PG:
(net-PER per 48)
PG: +15.5
SG: +5.4
SF: -14.1 (Rodney may be a combo guard, but he sure as heck ain’t a SF).
CV seems to be in a little funk, albeit understandably after Ben’s hip pwned him, and MFWB still ain’t quite right. JJ with another nice double double, gotta get those TO’s down, and Big Ben controlling the paint without scoring a point.
Good win last night. If Rodney keeps playing this efficiently, we’re going to claw our way right back into the Playoffs. As Rodney goes, so go the Pistons?
by brgulker on Dec 10, 2009 8:51 AM CST reply actions
Also, over the last 5 games Jerebko is averaging 12 and 8. Not bad for a rookie. Over those same 5 games, he is the second best rebounder from the SF spot in the entire league, and leads all rookies in RPG. I love a dude who can rebound.
by Waulie on Dec 10, 2009 8:55 AM CST reply actions
@ E-double:
@Gabe, who gives a f*&^ about style points man. We’re down 3 key players and Bynum went out hurt and we still win, and you’re bitching about "ugly win". Obviously not a true ‘Stones fan. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya on your way out the door.
Wow, that’s over the top and unnecessary. I didn’t see Gabe bitching about anything, just observing that it was a fracking ugly win — which it was.
Your comments are a gross overreaction, man. Anyone who comments here in game threads is either a die-hard Pistons fan or a passing troll. Gabe sure as heck ain’t the latter. No need to be an asshat just because you disagree with someone’s observations.
by brgulker on Dec 10, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions
@brgulker
That’s something a lot of people don’t take into consideration. While everyone is being asked to do more, Stuckey is the one being put in a bad position. Due to his size he has been the one asked to constantly play off position, so what was his advantage (size over PGs)suddenly is not. Bynum has been a PG playing PG, Chucky too, Gordon is a shooting guard playing SG and so on. But a portion of each games, all season long, Stuckey has been a point guard asked to play out of position to fill in.
by Kriz on Dec 10, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions
brgulker: Thank you :)
Waulie: +1. IMO, the new starting line-up (with Max and Chucky) is working decently in large part because JJ and Max actually make a solid, logical pairing at SF/PF. JJ helps cover for Max’s weakness on the defensive glass, and the two together make us a nightmare to keep off the offensive glass.
A center with a diverse offensive game, someone like Kaman (with JJ/Max at SF/PF), would make that a really dynamite frontcourt.
by Gabe on Dec 10, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions
When Tay and Rip get back to 100%, I wonder if Kuester will try starting JJ at PF. I’m sure he going to get playing time at PF since Tay and Rip will eat up about all the minutes at SF. I’m not sure how JJ will handle PF, but if he can hold his own defensively and continue to rebound and hit the occasional shot I would like him starting. We could have two potentially dangerous lineups.
Start:
Stuck
Rip
Tay
JJ
Wallace
Then, bring in Gordon and CV and slide Rip to SF. It could be explosive.
by Waulie on Dec 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST reply actions
Waulie, did you watch much of the preseason?
JJ simply didn’t look good at PF, I’m sorry to say. That could change; I’m sure he’s adjusted to the NBA over the past 20 games.
by brgulker on Dec 10, 2009 9:40 AM CST reply actions
BTW, I didn’t mean that to sound condescending.
by brgulker on Dec 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions
(1) Let me second the praise for “guaran-swede.”
(2) Does anyone know how badly Bynum is hurt?
by Toledo Joe on Dec 10, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions
@brgulker:
and he’s finding a way to rack up the assists even without a lot of frontcourt scoring
Only one of nine of Rodney’s assists came from the backcourt.
by Mike Payne on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions
Just watched those ten minutes of highlights. It looks like (in a game in which he’d already had, what, two tripping fouls?) Iverson tries to give Stuckey a little shove when he’s going for his followup shot at the end of the game. Anyone else see that?
by b23 on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions
@ brgulker:
I watched all the preseason games that were televised. And, I completely agree with you. Of course, he didn’t look that great at SF the first few games, either.
That’s why I said I wasn’t sure how he would fair at PF. But, with an increasing lack of powerful PF playing in the NBA, I think he might be pretty effective.
I guess my main point is that Jerebko has earned playing time. He needs to stay in the rotation. The only way that is going to happen with the roster at full strength is for him to play almost exclusively at PF. I don’t see Rip and Gordon only playing 24 mpg, so clearly Rip will be spending significant time at SF effectively squeezing JJ out of the mix. Like it or not, I think Kuester is going to give Jerebko a huge chance to prove he can be effective at PF.
You didn’t sound condescending to me. I’m not that fragile.
by Waulie on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions
How is it that Stuckey breaking Iverson’s ankles did not end up on any website/highlight package? That was easily the play of the game.
by James B. on Dec 10, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions
I stand corrected!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1C1JnBh0s
Long ass highlights package focused on the Pistons…20 seconds in they show the breaking of the ankles
by James B. on Dec 10, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions
The flip side to JJ playing at PF is that he starting to show consistency on his three point shot. That could open up some room. Plus, JJ has shown an ability to crash the boards from the outside.
I’m sure he can defend the position at least as good as Rashard Lewis can.
by Quick Darshan on Dec 10, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions
Oh and given the extremely depressing news of ticket sales, I’d say the chances are just as good that Kuester goes with Jerebko as the main backup at the 3 for Tay, and/or the other way around, and Gordon the backup at the 2…ultimately, I think we make a move to trade Rip or Tayshaun by the end of the season simply because of the amount of money invested in those two. I’d think that if Tay gets healthy again, given the development of Jerebko, and the potential of Daye, we could just as easily go without Tay at all and run Jerebko at starting 3 with Daye off the bench when Kuester isn’t running his crazy Bynum/Stuckey/Gordon lineup.
by James B. on Dec 10, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions
OT: This was in Charley Rosen’s analysis of the Timberwolves game last night:
Ryan Hollins can run and moves well without the ball, but his hands are bad. How bad? After he flubbed a relatively easy pass from Love, Kurt Rambis shouted out the following instruction to Love: “Next time throw the ball right at his (bleeping) nose!”
Methinks John Kuester would not say that about Kwame…
by Quick Darshan on Dec 10, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions
I’m guessing Joe D is definitely open to trading Rip or Tay due to the emergence of some of our young guys, but I also think he would prefer to first see how this team plays together when fully healthy.
I actually wouldn’t be surprised at all if we don’t make a big move before the trade deadline. Even if we make a trade now to help balance out our roster, we’re not going to be a championship caliber team this year. Eventually though the roster will need to be balanced out. Also, Tay will have the most value once this year is over since he’ll be in the last year of his contract.
by Jim on Dec 10, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions
Only one of nine of Rodney’s assists came from the backcourt.
Nice find. But doesn’t that hurt your case? If Rodney’s assists are contingent on frontcourt scoring, then what are the past few games all about?
@ Waulie:
My hunch would be that the only way JJ works at the 4 consistently is if Big Ben is at the 5 to help absorb some of JJ’s interior softness. Of course, against some teams, that won’t be a problem. But regardless of what I think, it’s probably safe to say that JJ’s going to see some time at the 4.
by brgulker on Dec 10, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions
A little video I put together of the Stuckey crossover on Iverson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2PfKvQwehk
Enjoy. :D
by Diablo on Dec 10, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions
Just posted that youtube on another messageboard with a few major iverson fans…soo soo good.
by James B. on Dec 10, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions
Thank you everyone.
What messageboard? I want to hear the responses. :D
by Diablo on Dec 10, 2009 5:06 PM CST reply actions
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