Amare Stoudemire heard you, Pistons fans

Get him Joe, please get him,

Amare is our points in the paint, we need it. I know sheed is our defensive anchor, which doesnt say much, i love the guy but he doesnt bring it every night anymore.

I’d be down to trade Rip and Rasheed for Stoudamire and Barbosa, as long as we can get AI back this summer.

I’d be down to do whatever is deemed necessary to stop losing all the effing time.

Dr. Rahmani for MCIAFI.

“Would I rather have Chris Bosh? Perhaps, but in my book they’re close enough that you jump on the first one who becomes available”

Exactamundo.

“the only player I’d be reluctant to include in a package to get Stoudemire is Rodney Stuckey.”

Phrased correctly, in an exceedingly delicate manner.

After all, momentary reluctance is still technically reluctance…

A bird in hand is worth two in the hole. If we can trade for Amare, that’s worth more than any free agent roulette in the coming years.

If acquiring Amare produced an overall change in style, I’d say go for it, but in the current system I don’t see him as a stellar addition. He crashes hard to the basket, but generally off the pass in motion, not on a post move.

If Stuckey/AI play even more of a slash-and-dish style, then Amare can be a force, but feeding him the ball with his back to the basket could be very disappointing.

two in the bush

Is there an equally devout STAT fan who we would receive in compensation if we sent AI out in this trade? Otherwise, I agree in full, matt, but i would move stuck, if the trade was right.

I like 2 in the hole better Mike Payne

@ Petey-

The last time I heard “Exactamundo”, I was watching “Demolition Man.” The person, was Wesley Snipes, pre-tax fraud.

You sold my dead bird to a blind kid? Lloyd! Petey didn’t even have a head!

I hope we get Amare. fingers crossed

If we can keep Stuckey and Rip and/or Tay, then let’s get him.

I will miss Sheed when he leaves, and I’ve taken a liking to Max/Amir’s energy and passion, but Amare’s talent outweighs that.

I think Kerr waits until just before the deadline to see who is going to offer more. he’s got until next Thursday and there will be no games Fri – Mon. He’ll sit tight hoping someone overbids.

I’d give Sheed and Amir, we’d have to pick something else up to toss in Tay. We would have no 3 other that Fabio and in a pinch Rip/AA. And then, we’re back to small ball. Ugh!!

Also, we will need to pick up a sizable FA in 09 or 2010. AI isn’t included in this “sizable FA.” We will now not go after Milsap or Boozer. Does this preclude Bosh? Since neither he nor Amare want to play the 5. This leaves Okur, JO, ?? This all assumes we don’t lose Rip or Tay.

If we’re going to trade Sheed/Tay for Amare, I’d rather make that trade to Tor for Bosh. I think he’ll fit in better with the team philosophy more than Amare. And if he can’t handle the pressure of being Shaq’s sidekick (per se’) what’s he going to do when we trade for him and the expectations that will go along with that. Does he freak out? He’s making alot of money but most folks feel Pheonix wins/loses based on Shaq & Nash. What happens when this spotlight turns to Amare? Does he crumble?

“I think Kerr waits until just before the deadline to see who is going to offer more.

He will, but I don’t think any team can offer more. My worry is that the Bulls can offer what looks like more to Steve Kerr. Chicago has several overrated players on its roster. I’m guessing Kerr looks at that roster and sees 5-6 all-stars.

If the rumors about Golden State being in the sweepstakes are true, they can certainly put together a fantastic offer (Biedrins or Ellis plus Anthony Randolph according to hoopshype.com).

Agreed, Kev. His tenure as a Bull doesn’t help that either.

MarkButter — you wrote: “And if he can’t handle the pressure of being Shaq’s sidekick (per se’) what’s he going to do when we trade for him and the expectations that will go along with that.”

It’s not that he can’t handle the pressure, it’s that he’s used to playing in the paint, which is now occupied by Shaq and his defender. He’s adapted by shooting more midrange jumpers a la McDyess (and to his credit is still scoring 21 a night at a 53% clip), but that’s not his usual game. If he came to Detroit, he’d have the paint all to himself.

Biedrens just signed a pretty big deal, right? Same with Ellis. They’d never be able to package them together, obviously, but isn’t Phoenix trying to shed salary? One would think that Kerr would balk at trading him to another Western Conference team, let alone a divisional foe.

Matt W. makes a great point about locking up one of the big fish in a trade being far better than playing max contract roulette in 2010.

The Pistons haven’t gotten a lot of scoring from their frontcourt in a long time and it’s awfully tough to win that way in a 7 game series. One off night shooting by your guards and then what? Amare fixes that big time. I was on the fence about Amare but if the Pistons can keep Prince and Stuckey I’m all for whatever package is going the other way.

Matt: I stand corrected. But I’m a believer that both Marion and Amare (or anyone else) put up better games with Nash. I don’t consider Amare to have a great low-post game in moves and passing out of double teams, ala Duncan. Though I readily adimit that there are very few Duncans.

To his credit, he has developed an ever improving mid-range game. My apprehension is the spotlight that will shine on him which is now reflecting off Nash or Shaq most nites.

I saw this today and I think, depending on what we give up would be an answer with the possibility of still getting a big FA.

“Clips wanna dump Chris Kaman” on a Bill Maller NBA notes.

It would give us a legit 5, with low post moves. Granted, he won’t draw a double team but it would open up things a bit I believe. He’s got 3/33M left.

TDP: The rumor was Biedrins OR Ellis and Randolph for Amare or for Bosh. Not Biedrins AND Ellis, sorry if that was unclear in my earlier post. The rumor also said Bosh might be more likely because Toronto may be more in the market for getting back actual talent as opposed to expiring contracts. Of course, these are all rumors, but if I’m Toronto/Phoenix and looking for real talent, I’m taking a package of Biedrins or Ellis and Randolph before anything we put on the table.

MarkButter: What do we send back to the Clippers? Rip? Or are we talking a salary dump trade from the Clips in the offseason once the Pistons are way under the cap?

LB: Article didn’t say. But I’m thinking it stated about what was remaining on his contract and they can be 10-40 without the extra 11M/year.

Maybe a 2nd round pick, ala Camby. lol But I’ve also heard teams are really interested in Camby. Defense and his contract comes off sooner (I think).

MB: I like Kaman a whole lot. I hate guys who miss 25+ games two consecutive seasons more than I like Kaman. I’m probably too rigid on that, but I just don’t trust guys like that anymore. Kaman fits that bill. That being said, his contract isn’t egregious in that it’s only $34 million over 3 years following this season. If we get him for free, I’m in. I’m not giving up anything of value (read: core members or McDyess) for a guy that isn’t even playing right now. I would trade any combination of the non-Rip bench for him though.

Also, hoopshype today says the Raps turned down Biedrins and Randolph for Bosh. I think that’s kinda dumb of the Raptors if they believe Bosh is leaving after next season. Though the Warriors might have wanted to sweeten the pot with a first round draft pick. Apparently the Warriors are gonna shop it to the Suns now even though we all believe they want expiring deals.

LB: Agree about the bench non-rip thought. We can probably pick him up this summber for a couple of picks. B-Diddy is owed 65M, Thorton is up next year, in two years Gordon and you have Zach’s contract. I can definitely see Donald shedding contract(s).

Agree, the raps are nuts to turn that down. The only was I can see is if Bryan C. is working another offer. I can’t see Bosh staying in GS with that never ending circus.

MarkButter — Nash makes his teammates better, but perhaps not to the degree everyone assumes. He arrived in PHX in 2004-05 — Marion and Stoudemire were both extremely effective before he arrived:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mariosh01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html

Stoudemire saw his PER spike in Nash’s first year, but that probably had as much to do with natural development (he was drafted out of HS, it was his 3rd season) as anything else. Marion’s PER, on the other hand, stayed remarkably consistent.

MW: Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps it’s perception, but I just don’t see Amare as a consistent low-post threat. Granted he’s 6-10, but I don’t think he posses a turn-a-round jumper or from what I’ve seen, a good spin move or even a dominate move. He’s an incredible athlete who can jump above people in the post, but really no signature move that I can recall.

He’d be a great addition but I just don’t see him operating in the post like an Adrian Dantely or Buddha on a consistent nightly basis.

You’re definitely right — he’s at his best in transition. But I think he can still be effective playing at a slower pace, as well.

At a cafe in Hermosa Beach CA today, had a chat with two NBA fans, one of which is from MI and has an inside to the Lakers’ front office (I turned him on to DBB). There were some interesting trade proposals…

Lakers apparently offered a Odom for Tay swap, Dumars said no thanks. There was some discussion whether Tay is past his prime. It’s an open question and one that I could see both sides of (I think Tay is used way too much, actually, which impacts his performance)

Pistons did offer a Sheed+Amir for Amare deal, Steve Kerr passed (for now). Speculation was that maybe a three teamer with Toronto for FPCB might be in the works.

Now for some of the fan offerings…I proposed a Shaq for AI and Amir or Maxiell trade, the consensus was that was a trade Kerr might consider, but I doubt it. I think he wants to move Amare.

Finally, I’m watching on Justin TV with the two chicago homers…makes me wish it was in Turkish lol…

I can’t possibly see how Tayshaun Prince is past his prime. His confidence may’ve been decimated this season, and he’s tired, from playing and losing, but he’s not past his prime.