Draft Musings
After a break from DBB, I'm back in the saddle. This off-season, though, I plan to reinforce my unsubstantiated assertions with references to unnamed sources. Let's muse.
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You know what's hard to find on ESPN.com? Basic information. Want to know what unnamed scout is saying about Tyreke Evans? ESPN is your resource. Want to know how the 1999 draft should have gone down? Once again, they've got it. Want to find out what time the draft starts? Have fun with that.
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Reading Pardeep's assessment of Ty Lawson, I initially thought we were all being a bit optimistic. I had simply assumed that he was in the lottery. Alas, it looks like Detroit will have the opportunity.
So, let me get this straight, we have a proven winner, an instant long range threat, and a player who can contribute right away. Oh, and he would be a perfect fit with our existing talent. Some have referred to Ty Lawson as the Danny Granger of this draft. That only happens if enough teams pass on him.
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Notice, I said "existing talent", not existing system. Our existing system favors efficient point guard play, great offensive rebounding, and lots of height in the front court. In other words, our success in this draft has as much to do with Michael Curry as it does with the talent we acquire.
If he is willing to go uptempo, that changes everything. If he wants to grind it out, Kwame style, we'll miss the playoffs, and he won't have a job at this time next year.
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To belabor that point a bit, this draft is notoriously weak, and notoriously rife with mediocre point guards and talented, but undersized big men. In other words, if someone could make use of undersized big men, they'd find themselves some real value in this draft.
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Speaking of ESPN.com, the Insider recently posted a fairly absurd piece, ostensibly ranking the best and worst GM's at drafting. Among the worst? Detroit's very own Jack McCloskey.
Alas, the system only ranks the last 20 years, even though it mentions McCloskey's seasons with Detroit, during which he drafted Isiah Thomas (2), Kelly Tripucka (12), Ricky Pierce (18), Tony Campbell (18), Spud Webb (87!), Joe Dumars (18), Dennis Rodman (27), John Salley (11).
At best, such an article proves that there is no correlation between the quality of the GM, and the quality of the draft picks. The best drafter of all time, by the ESPN standard? Isiah Thomas.
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I know the Second Round is difficult to project, but if it goes according to Chad Ford's plan, I'll be downright giddy.
DeMarre Carroll (projected 35th) had a great season with Missouri last year. Great scoring and rebounding numbers, and an improving outside range. Danny Green (projected 38th) seems to be Spellcheck with a bit more offensive potential. Sergio Llull (projected 49th) has a the coolest last name of anyone in the draft.
If the Pistons somehow snare Ty Lawson, and net Carroll and Green to boot, I think we will have added 3-5 wins via the draft alone.
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I'm not sure the potential Ben Gordon scenario changes anything, draft-wise. Picking up Gordon all but assures that Rip Hamilton moves elsewhere, so I don't think it should interfere with a talent-first draft mentality.
As it stands, the Pistons could use an upgrade at literally every position. Without Billups and Ben Wallace, the Pistons no longer have real stars, and therefore don't have "positional needs". The best bet is to increase the talent pool, by any means necessary.
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Good to have ya back, KS. Best of luck with Do North! Kick asses, take names, write good shit.
by Mike Payne on Jun 22, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions
“This draft will not be kind to some GMs” – Indeed.
by Skylar on Jun 22, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
Afflalo was the first option on offense when he was in college. Danny Green was his team’s fourth option.
That being said, he’s probably a solid 2nd round pick.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions
If any of these 12 players drop, I think the Pistons have to take him:
Blake Griffin, Ricky Rubio, Hasheem Thabeet, James Harden, Tyreke Evans, Johnny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, Demar Derozan, Jrue Holiday, Stephen Curry, DaJuan Blair, Jordan Hill
These seem to be the consensus Top 12. Gerald Henderson is also a consensus Top 13, but I haven’t read a single thing that clues me in to why.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions
Dumars indicated that the 35th pick would probably be on the roster and the other two second rounders would probably go to Europe. My guess is that they’ll draft players that are athletic but very raw (a la Deron Washington) with those two picks.
by Quick Darshan on Jun 22, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
new nbadraft.net mock has the pistons selecting austin daye. in the 2nd round. that’s the only way i want to see daye in a pistons uni next season.
by JackDutch on Jun 22, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
>i>As it stands, the Pistons could use an upgrade at literally every position. Without Billups and Ben Wallace, the Pistons no longer have real stars, and therefore don’t have "positional needs". The best bet is to increase the talent pool, by any means necessary.
I agree, to a point. There is a “short supply of tall people” in the NBA, and we are in a prime position to get ahold of some quality big men. We need to do that, by any means necessary — even if it means trading Tay or Rip.
I’m still not on board with Gordon — BUT, if there is any truth to the rumors about him, then the only way it makes sense to me is if:
1) We get quality bigs first.
2) We pay him less than we’re currently paying Rip.
by brgulker on Jun 22, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
Latest draft news from ESPN:
There’s been a lot of speculation the past few weeks that the Pistons may trade their pick at 15. Not true, according to Detroit sources. “We’re in a position to add two to three players through free agency and to add a couple of players through the draft,” the source said. “No need for us to move our pick for an extra $1.4 million of cap space.”
As for all the talk that the Pistons promised everyone from B.J. Mullens to Earl Clark at No. 15. “It’s totally B.S.,” the source said. “Why would we promise someone in this draft? So many scenarios are still playing themselves out. Anything could happen. We’re just going to be content to let whoever falls to us fall.”
by Jim on Jun 22, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
I have to say Iv’e never seen a draft where the mock drafts swing so wildly one day a guy we’ll be number 4 the next he’ll be 18 .I don’t know what the hell to expect thursday I’m just gonna hope someone overvalues somebody and pushes Blair ,Clark or one of the other 12 names QD. mentioned down to us, on a side note I have to admit this is the most excited i’ve ever been about the second round should make for a helluv a draft night.
by Defor on Jun 22, 2009 9:03 PM CDT reply actions
I completely agree that Lawson+Carroll+Green would be an amazing set of draft picks. I really like Carroll, even more so if Curry can not be AFI and lets us play more up-tempo, and a Lawson/Stuckey backcourt would be a terror in a fast paced offense.
If we don’t draft Lawson (I’d love it if we did, but my gut says we won’t, even if he’s available), my guess is we draft Toney Douglas with our highest 2nd round pick. He’s a great defensive PG (ACC defensive player of the year), but his offensive game is kinda the opposite of Bynum’s- he’s not great off the dribble, but is a very good 3 point and mid-range shooter. He’d be a nice fit in a backcourt next to Stuckey (with them cross-matching on defense) and he’d be millions of dollars cheaper than Ben Gordon.
Hopefully regardless of who we pick with our first rounder, we grab Carroll in the 2nd round anyway (he should be available for us to take with our second 2nd round pick), though I could see us going with a more “pure” PF like a Taj Gibson or Jeff Pendergraph.
The only hiccup I could see with us potentially drafting Danny Green is if he said in his sit-down with Joe D that he wouldn’t want to play overseas. That supposedly crossed a few players off the Pistons list last year, so there’s a chance it could this year as well.
by Gabe on Jun 22, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions
Interesting stuff all around in the latest Word on the Street from Draft Express:
http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Word-on-the-Street-June-22nd-3276
On us:
-B.J. Mullens worked out for the Philadelphia 76ers (#17) on Sunday, and is scheduled to work out for Chicago (#16) on Tuesday. While many NBA teams we spoke with have picked up on the rumor that he may have a promise from Detroit at 15, things don’t really seem to add up here. If anything, the Pistons seem to be most interested in Earl Clark, and have reportedly told him as much, as have the Phoenix Suns, drafting 14th. On the other hand, Detroit continues to be very active in trade-talk, though, and could very well decide to move the pick, which would make all of this moot. Would Mullens really turn down his Green Room invite if he definitely knew he was going 15th? Clark on the other hand just passed up a workout with Chicago this week in order to be with his newborn baby, as he seems to be feeling very good about where’s currently at in this draft.
So if Clark’s gone, is it really possible that Joe would take Mullens or Daye over Blair or Lawson (or even Hansbrough)? God I hope not. Also, it looks like Jennings is a potential free fall (he worked out with Phoenix, who picks right before us) – do we take him if he falls to us? My vote is maybe, but only if Clark, Lawson, and Blair are off the board – but I’m curious everyone else’s opinion.
Regardless, the Draft Express info is way better than the garbage that ESPN puts up and actually charges for…
by Shinons on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions

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