It’s always nice to have an excuse to get drunk and surly!

Stackhouse is a joker. He should sign for the vet-min on the ’97 Rockets— err, 2009 Celtics.

Randolph will be a 25-30ppg guy in the next year or two. He was good for at least two “oh my god, did he just do that?” plays a game in like 12 minutes off the bench last year. Nelson is fucking retarded. Summer League is summer league, but this guy can and will ball with the big boys soon.

I like all our picks, but how can you not be excited about Daye? 6’11" and 20 years old (so he might still be growing), quick-release, perfect form jumpshot, infinite range, hits his freethrows, is somehow an excellent rebounder at 115 lbs, blocks an unnatural number of shots on the perimeter, has shown some really slick passing skills in Summer League, and has you’d assume a good head on his shoulders given his NBA pedigree. Definite All-Star potential, maybe the player we hoped Tay would eventually be?

I like bringing Wallace back, if only for the locker room leadership he can provide and that left with him when he departed via free agency. People were upset he left but his decline over the past 5 years and the atrocities he would have committed to the cap if he had taken the Detroit offer diffused the situation slightly, I think. Plus looking back, does anyone think that if he stayed with Detroit Dumars wouldn’t have traded him last season or during this summer for cap relief like he did with Chaunce?

I’m sure a lot of y’all will disagree with me but if he comes back he’ll immediately become the fan favorite again and he still, I believe, has the outside chance of still having his number retired.

I would welcome Ben back. Also, keeps these coming Kevin, I like em.

raises glass to Kevin S.

Drinking on a Wednesday night? I’d say thanks for the invitation, but I don’t need the excuse.

Anyway, ESPN said “Detroit covets Big Baby.” I almost vurped. This offseason is killing me with anticipation and dread.

How can you covet sadness? How can you covet disappointment?

Big Baby = Big Mistake

I never need a reason, or an excuse. that said, jager is not your friend.

@Joel – if you’re totally emo you like, crave the darkness of hidden spaces of the dessicated soul which haunts the edges of your waking nightmares. So if we get Big Baby maybe I will turn emo.

Oops, I meant you “covet the darkness of hidden spaces of the dessicated soul which haunts the edges of your waking nightmares,” not “crave the darkness of hidden spaces of the dessicated soul which haunts the edges of your waking nightmares.”

Shoot me, but I think Big Baby is a good value at 3.5mil. A rebounder/shot blocker would be preferred however.

Also, I’m in favor of Ben Wallace at the vet minimum. I like Tay and Ben to teach the youngins about team defense.

Takes aim at QD

you’re actually right but next to Varejao I cannot stand that man. That said, I’ll probably get over it the way perk IS a Beast got over getting Sheed. I mean, that dude used to call Sheed “Chiclet-Tooth” and “Big Gums” or something like that. But now he can’t love Sheed enough.

Rob G?

To further the ‘Bring Back Ben’. Since, per Langlois, we are getting hit with a 300K salary cap penalty for having too few players, signing him would free up another 300K for the first year of a free agent deal. I know, I know, peanuts, but it’s more cap space.

Off topic, but, really Richard Jefferson? Really?

What a prick. I get the “cold feet” thing, but not literally 2 hours before the ceremony. That’s like Growing Pains season finale type shit.

Joel – what happened with RJ?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Richard-Jefferson-gets-cold-feet-leaves-bride-a?urn=nba,176702

RJ called the wedding off.

actually, he called the wedding off before the weekend, but didn’t alert the guests until 2 hrs before the ceremony. Not much better I know, but still, not like 2-hrs-before-wedding cold feet that everyone is slamming him with.

Got my purple drank and my King Koopa greatest misses mixtape on for tonight. Bitchard Jefferson, bad karma son. Bad look son.

ball don’t lie, but RJ do

Yeah, sorry, don’t see how calling the wedding off before the weekend but not telling your guests until 2 hours before is ANY better than what he’s deservedly getting slammed with. So at least he didn’t waste the venue’s and caterer’s time? They don’t matter, not when money is clearly not an issue to the parties involved. He royally fucked friends and family over. That shit is beyond heavy.

Shoot me, but I think Big Baby is a good value at 3.5mil. A rebounder/shot blocker would be preferred however.

Locked and loaded, QD.

Big Baby is teh suxage. He scores points, but he scores inefficiently, he can’t rebound, he can’t block shots, and he can’t defend.

He will contribute to losses, not wins.

Um, FWIW the article says ‘some.’ I’m pretty sure he alerted many of not most of his guests. And moreover they apparently make use of his credit card.

Gotta love selective journalism.

The gist— he called off the wedding to the vendor, caterer, and his buddies (that’s all) on the Friday before the wedding. He then proceeded to give his buddies his black Amex card to make up for wasting their time, and then disappeared. Everybody else— you know, the bride, her family, maids, guests, etc.— found out 2 hours before the ceremony.

Not cool, unless he found out that she and Jason Kidd had been “beating eachother up” behind his back recently or something.

Zing.

Good thing Amir is putting up such great summer league numbers… oh wait…

@wiggles

At least Amir has this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Jennings-to-Amir-oops-could-win-me-over?urn=nba,176407

I put no stock in Randolph’s numbers given the fact that the two guys who were most likely to guard him had 9 and 7 fouls…he shot 21 free throws in a damn Summer League game…since when did the refs call that many freaking fouls in Summer league? I thought the purpose was to let the kids play?

“Shoot me, but I think Big Baby is a good value at 3.5mil.”

Shane Battier my ass.

@Joel

Nope, the bride knows the wedding was off and had informed her side of the party.

Annnnywayss.. LOL @Kevin.

Selective journalism indeed.

Is Jermaine O’Neal on the block with his $23 mil. expiring?

If so, I’ve got the first wildy improbable and ill-conceived trade scenario in this thread.

TDP, please tell me that was a joke.

@TDP. We would be attrocious next year lol..but damn thats a lot of cap space the year after.

@brgulker. Yea it’s gotta be a joke, but you gotta admit, we’d be huge players in the 2010 free agency lol…but that kinda defeats the purpose of spending all of our cap this year lol

First timer-
I still don’t understand the interest in baby. The pistons need a center, not a pf where they have maxiell, chuck v, and the three headed rookie combo-forwards. So going for an undersized power forward who lacks the athleticism or traditional big-man skills (i.e. rebounding/shot-blocking) to even remotely man the 5 on a small-ball lineup doesn’t make sense to me. Albeit he does have the requisite girth.

@ Cody:

I’ve made this comment several times, and it seems to be falling on deaf ears.

The cap is going to shrink next season by as much as 7+ million dollars. So, even though this is oversimplified, any cap space that we do clear would have to be adjusted accordingly.

So that stupid trade means that we have 30 million coming off the books, but it does not mean that we would have 30 million in cap space.

Not to mention the fact that we would struggle to win 30 games.

@brgulker. I know, I know. I got pissed at someone the other day for saying we got 20 mill in cap space this year because of Iverson alone. So, counting Sheed and Dice and everyone that left, by their logic, we would have nearly 40 mill in cap space this year lol. I wasn’t at all saying the trade was a good one. I was merely pointing out the one good thing about the trade, since it was posted on here.

Forget RJ. Supposedly gave his best buddy the AMEX fucking BLACK card to party with that nite. That’s treating your friends (what he has left) right. And my understanding it was a 2M dollar weeding. WTF?? Did I hear that right? I’m hoping at least 1/3 of that was for her rock.

This came out of nowhere but given the situation when I saw them bring the Coach from the 04′ season why not? Sign for a veteran’s minimum w/out affecting the cap it’s a win-win situation. I admit I first had my doubts but everybody knew the Pistons when they won in 04′ with Big Ben even the rookies we have now. They all remember Big Ben’s toughness . Not to mention Rip and Tay would be invigorated again. They would have a good leader in the locker room. The atmosphere would be electric bringing back the possibility of putting the fans back to the Palace……who knows but here’s something to think about…. The Lakers brought back a key piece from the Lakers Kobe-Shaq dynasty his name is Derek Fisher and he had a 2 yr contract his 2nd yr he won a Championship making key plays during the Orlando series..hmmmmmm

@Santiago re: Fisher

Correlation does not equal causation.

Would Ben Wallets take the vet minimum though? It amazes me how people forget these things.

Same deal with Boozer. Joe says he wants character guys, and Boozer’s name keeps popping up. Does no one remember how he screwed Cleveland over? “Hey Cavs, make me an unrestricted FA and I’ll re-sign with you. Next stop, Utah!”

Maybe Vin Baker is available.

@Tim

Well, since his other option is to retire an embarrassing disgrace, since no one is going to offer him anything more than the vet’s min, why wouldn’t he do it in D-Town? It’s not like he did anything even close to worth since he left. Basically he’d be saying he wants to retire a Piston (which he should), he can help out in spots at a position where we have DIRE need, and he can impart some defensive wisdom to the young’ns. Not to mention I’m sure Rip and Tay wouldn’t mind having one of their closest player-friends back in the locker room since Joe keeps shipping them all off. It’s really win/win, since it doesn’t count towards the cap.

worthwhile*

New York just blew our three draft picks. A hair off 3 double doubles.

speaking of selective journalism, how about selective memory?

does no one else remember ben’s pouting and sulking about not getting offensive touches, and butting heads with flip?

dude is washed up and it seems some people are remembering him more fondly than deserved.

No worries. We got Daye and Summers tearing up the summer league.

I think you could make a case that Daye and Summers combining for 53 is more impressive than Randolph’s 42.

1. Don’t know if this was mentioned or not, but does anyone remember Marco Bellineli dropping 40 points in a Summer League game last year? He pretty much rode the pine on Golden State’s team last season.

2. If Ben would come back for a minimum contract the worst case scenario is that it would put some butts in some empty seats.

c. Daye is like Tayshaun; skinny, but below average speed. Randolph is way quicker and I don’t think Daye will get any quicker. Tayshaun is going to get worse and worse on defense. His best days are gone, though Daye might do well to be handed that torch for a couple seasons.

FINALLY! If we traded spellcheck and sharpe because he was redundant and didn’t draft blair because he was redundant why would we sign glen davis who would make maxiell redundant? Why waste the money when we could probably get the same production from maxiell? I don’t think Davis would put up the same numbers if he doesn’t have a Paul Pierce or Ray Allen to bail him out.

how is ben wallace retiring as an embarrassing disgrace? the championship ring? the 4 dpotys? the allstar appearances? the all-nba teams? his legacy is mind-boggling. an undrafted, under-sized center who became one of the greatest rebounders and defensive players of the past 20 years. how embarrassed he must feel…

He means leaving all of that for money.

Looks like the Pistons’ rook forwards got the best of Jordan Hill

Out east this week vacationing at the Jersey Shore. By Chance I happened to notice we get the Madison Square Garden Network here. I caught the whole Pistons/Knicks game. What a treat. Some thoughts while watching:
Daye is Legit. He was grabbing boards and hit a lot of nice jumpers, all contested. MSG crew (Walt Frazier) was also impressed.
Summers looked strong, but a little rough. He has a sweet stroke and goes at the rim hard. This guys a hustler and has the body to back it up. Not too much of an inside game, and drew a lot of contact. I think both Daye and Summers outplayed Jordan Hill.
Jerekbo is all hustle and played the C position pretty good. I had expected a sweet Euro shot, but it seemed his stroke is not quite there. But he did not seem to have too many open shots and spent his time banging inside and put up a few and 1’s against the week Knicks inside.
Singeltary looked MFWB’esque. Not too many bad plays and seemed to be functional. He was schooling the weaker dudes out there though in the first half.
Washington looked a little spastic. Some bad TO’s and a “knuckleball” 3 at least according to Walt. I was hoping to see a bit more out of him. I’d be surprised if he makes the roster, but that’s just watching his game.
No one else even worth mentioning. Although I didn’t realize Alex Acker was on the Knicks. He played like crap, missing every single open shot he had.
They even had a short interview with Kuester who looked like he didn’t have much sleep. Dude is going to look worn out after 40 games.
All in all a great surprise on my vacation.

All signs point to Daye contributing quite soon. Players within 10% of his Hollinger player rater score are almost never busts, unless they get fat or are Adam Morrison (who was at the very bottom of the 10% spectrum).

I think the Rashard Lewis comparisons are right on. It doesn’t matter if you’re skinny when you are stroking the three, and tall perimeter players create as many matchup problems for the opponent as they do for themselves.

Randolph never got major minutes last year because he couldn’t play decent defense and that is with GS.

If fact I heard one of the GS people saying that Randolph’s court time this year will be dictated by his defense.

As far as Daye goes. No doubt that the kid has an abundant list of skills on offense.

The question is will he be able to successfully guard any forward in the NBA who weighs over 225 pounds which is most of them.

I guess we will all have to just wait and see how it plays out.

By the way Johnson had an amazing game today.

He got to the foul line 11 times. Last year he got to the free throw line a total of only 35 times.

He and Jennings go way back playing together since they are both Los Angeles guys. Sunday Jennings and Johnson connected on a half court alley-oop pass for a bucket. It was sweet.

Johnson wound up making 7 of those to finish with 17 points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks as the Bucks improved to 4 – 0.

Players within 10% of his Hollinger player rater score are almost never busts, unless they get fat or are Adam Morrison are drafted by Charlotte (who was at the very bottom of the 10% spectrum).

Fixed!

Big Baby never played for Charlotte.

Interesting thread on Hollinger’s player rater score for the draft choices. It also includes the numbers of last years pics for relative comparison to their first NBA year and projection for this years draft.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=915030

Wow, this article is 100% wrong on Randolph (fighting for a roster spot? yeah, right!). This summer league statline is no surprise – he was putting up monster numbers last year whenever he got the minutes. This year I fully expect him to emerge as the Warriors’ best player, and I think he’ll be among the league leaders in blocks and rebounds, while scoring around 20 ppg. Trust me, his scoring is just icing on the cake… whenever he plays 30+ minutes, he is nearly a lock to get 10 boards and 3 blocks. Remember his name when you draft your fantasy teams this year.

JackDutch – I enjoyed your defense of Ben Wallace. I’ve loved the guy’s entire career and wish him all the best.

I lost all respect for Hollinger when I saw his franchise rankings article.

I am glad to see Daye and Summers contributing well, and Jerebko not far behind.

I think Big Ben is a bad idea. Not because I don’t like the guy, but because he simply cannot run or jump anymore, and it’s not like he has an offensive game he can fall back on to make up for his lost athleticism. Bring on Drew Gooden and hire Laimbeer to teach him how to kick ass. Angry Gooden could be extremely entertaining and perhaps even useful off the bench.

I want no part in that duck-tailin sonnova bitch.

budwiser GOOD drink for TONIGHT. mostly get drunk and SURLY on weekend, not WEEKDAY. hangover bad for NEXT day. just epinion

coachDP sighting!

They even had a short interview with Kuester who looked like he didn’t have much sleep. Dude is going to look worn out after 40 games.

Does anyone actually sleep in Vegas?

Yahtzee speaking of ESPN’s negativity towards Detroit, the pistons put the beat down on NY with Summers scoring 26, and Daye scoring 27. Instead, ESPN thought it would be a better representation of the game show some of Jordan Hill’s moves and a single jumper from Daye. I mean seriously, is it too much to ask to give Detroit some highlight time?

Daye seems to have a lot of shooting ability, hopefully as he gets stronger and adapts to NBA players his turnovers will go down. Since he started handling the ball more, he’s had 8 and 5 turnovers in those games, including one particularly bad one where one of the GSW just tore the ball out of his hands, to go with a grand total of zero assists. I don’t think he can play point forward like Tayshaun; but given the right conditioning, I think its fair to say that he could be an offensive upgrade as he has a very fluid shot with a lot of range on top of his post moves.

@brgulker
is coachdp always this random?

@Ali. You mean, is coachDP always this awesome? Yes, yes he is.

@ Ali:

First, coachDP is a man among boys.

Second, it’s the summer league. Who really cares about summer league? We don’t have any big name rookies; NY does. Naturally, they are going to show the bigger name, especially if he’s dunking.

Daye’s highlights and stats have been impressive, but remember, so were Amir’s. Let’s not put the cart before the horse.

I understand that, that’s why i said could be with the right conditioning. He’s currently way too undersized to play good defense against guys like Granger, Peirce or LeBron right now and would be a major defensive liability.

Last year’s summer league stats for Amir:

9pts/6rbds/1bl in 26mpg, 5 games

Not impressive at all actually, not that it matters. Daye already has 100% more basketball skill than Amir, just not the athleticism. Could you imagine a mixture of the two? Pretty sure it’s Kevin Durant.

The Detroit-Denver deal had been in the works for a week or so, once the Indiana Pacers signed away Denver’s starting two guard from last season, Dahntay Jones, to a four-year, $11 million contract. Denver believes the 24-year-old Afflalo can step into the starting spot next to Chauncey Billups (whom, sources indicate, was a big Afflalo advocate, having played with him in 2007 in Detroit) and handle the defensive assignments Jones did while being a better perimeter shooter

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/14/freeagency.notes/

@Ali

I don’t think Daye is going to be as much of a defensive liability as you think. He’s not going to be an A#1 defender right away, obviously, but no one ever is as a rookie. And coming off the bench, he’s not going to be asked to consistently guard the Pierce’s/Lebron’s of the world right away— that’s still Prince’s job. But on defense in general I think he’s going to do well because he has outrageously long arms and will wreak havoc in the passing lanes. He’s a better than average shot blocker too.

The fact is that Johnson never got a real opportunity in Detroit.

I don’t care if is the LVSL, he got 11 free throw attempts yesterday.

How many Power Forwards get 11 free throws attempts in a game. Only those that are capable of scoring.

It seems like the Bucks know offensive talent when they see it and are willing to pass him the ball, which is more than the Pistons did in 4 years.
-————-

No doubt that Daye has a lot of skills on offense but I still want to see him guard forwards during the regular season that weigh over 225 pounds.

Aaaahhahahaha

The New York Post talked to RJ about the situation, and Jefferson admits he called off the wedding and broke up with Nichols by e-mail. He said he chose the typed word as the right medium to get his thoughts collected. Also, Jefferson tells the Post he gave Nichols a “six-figure settlement” to “help her move on.” Also, he insists a rumor that he’s gay is not true and has nothing to do with this. (Seriously. The Post actually asked that question, and he actually had to answer it.) Also, he called off his wedding via e-mail. I’m sure no heckling fan will ever use that as courtside ammunition.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-odomboozer071509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

2nd paragraph from bottom, Jailblazers covet Tayshaun.

@ Joel:

I meant to say D-League, not summer league, about Amir.

Anyone else interested in a Tayshaun for Pryzbilla + Outlaw/Fernandez/Batum deal? If they want him that bad, let’s get the big we need AND a good young wing.

@brgulker

Aaaaah, that would make more sense. Although I think summer league might actually be better competition.

At the Chicago combine Daye was the only player who couldn’t press 180 pounds even one time. On top of that his verticle leap measured out at only 28" whereas almost evveyone else was in the 30s with Griffin I think reaching 40" something.

He is going to have a very difficult time keeping guys off their sweet spots and stopping dribble drive penetration.

It seems to me that he will simply get over powered against the bigger SFs.

Now look at his maxium verticle reach which was measured at the pre-draft combine at 11’6"

Compare that to some of the other SF that were drafted

James Johnson 11’8.5"
Earl Clark 11’10"
Demar DeRozan 11’11"

So, not only is Daye light in the pants and weak but his verticle reach is manybe average at best.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

Who cares if a baller is gay?

Now a wrestler. That is a different story.

I miss Amir.

@Joel:
Anyone else interested in a Tayshaun for Pryzbilla + Outlaw/Fernandez/Batum deal?

In an Eddy Curry heartbeat. Do it.

Also, he called off his wedding via e-mail. I’m sure no heckling fan will ever use that as courtside ammunition.

I can hear the color guy now— “What a poor performance out of RJ tonight. He really just e-mailed it in.”

@Mike:
Who cares if a baller is gay?

Sulu does.

Last year, when Amir finally got consistent playing time (24 starts), all of his /36 min averages dropped across the board- accept for fouls. He averaged 6.8 fouls/36 minutes last year. It’s hard to argue that he didn’t get a chance, when he never developed any offensive skills and averaged a foul every 5 minutes… after 4 years on the team!

Amir was/is a great athlete, but that doesn’t make him a good basketball player. He was never ready to be a core player with the Pistons, and when they tried to jumpstart his game by making him a starter, he just couldn’t do it.

Griffin’s max vertical was 35.5", only an inch better than Hansbrough and around top 20 for the combine. Johnny Flynn was the only guy who actually hit 40". Daye’s vertical reach, the measurement that actually matters, was only 2" less than Griffin’s, which is pretty negligible in the long run— Jordan Hill and BJ Mullens crush both their numbers (almost 12’).

Kevin Durant also couldn’t bench 180 once.

Daye’s wingspan was 3rd best in the whole combine, trailing only 7’3" Thabeet and freakish Taj Gibson. He was also 3rd in standing reach, again behind Thabeet and BJ Mullens, both legit 7 footers.

Plus he’s 20— how much different do Lebron, Dwight, and even Durant look now than when they were 20? It’s really easy to eat food and lift weights when you’re paid millions of dollars to do it.

@Mike re: power forwards getting 11 free throws in a game.

I looked this up on basketball reference. Their position breakdowns are only guard, forward, and center. Last year, 62 forwards had games where they had 11 free throws or more. Power forwards on the list include Anderson Varejao, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Craig Smith, Ike Diogu, and Drew Gooden. Also, some of the players listed at forward were really centers (like Kwame and Darko). Yes, both Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic had games where they took 11+ free throws.

So, I don’t think that one game of 11+ free throw attempts means that much.

Also, I love basketball-reference.com.

As for the Port thing, if Utah matches I can see them having interest in Tay, sort Hedo light with less 3pt but more D. I don’t think they’re trading Pryz away until they’re sure Oden can make it thru a whole season.

I think once Utah makes their decision on Millsap, you’ll see alot of things go down right away. . . from Boozer to Odom to Lee. If not, you’ll see another offer sheet go to someone and we’ll wait another 7 days.

@MP

I can hear the color guy now– "What a poor performance out of RJ tonight. He really just e-mailed it in."

Holy shit I literally “lol’d” at my desk. I don’t actually ever do that. You sir deserve a high five.

Joel…I would do that trade with no hesitation, preferably for Pryz and Outlaw. If Utah matches Portland’s offer for Milsap I can’t see them trading away Pryz though. If Portland is able to get Milsap then it becomes a possibility.

There were also rumors that Daye tanked the combine because Joe made him a promise. I’m not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

As Joel alluded to, he is tremendously skilled and has freakish reach for a small forward. These attributes should help make up for some of his weaknesses.

Regarding his numbers, he’s a skinny 20 year old. Strength can be improved. If he’s serious about it, and works with the right people, he can get noticeablly bigger and stronger by the time training camp opens up. A couple years down the road, it likely wouldn’t even be an issue- again, if he works with the right people and is dilligent.

It’s not going to happen overnight, but given a couple years, he has potential to look like a Rashard Lewis/Tayshaun Prince hybrid.

Summer League is the perfect setting for an athlete like Amir Johnson to show off his wares under the basket. Johnson was an efficiency machine inside for the Bucks: 17 points on 11 possessions, along with eight rebounds. He owned the paint, gobbling up offensive boards, going up strong with the putbacks, either converting or getting fouled (11 free throw attempts for the game). Defensively, he was smart and physical, blocking shots and igniting breaks with sharp, quick outlet passes to Brandon Jennings.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-82/Day-Six-Summer-League-Roundup.html

So the question is. Will the Bucks pass him the ball on a regular basis or will they freeze him out of the offense like the Pistons did for 4 years.

I guess we are just going to have wait until Nov to find out.

Remember that even with Johnson being frozen out of the Pistons offense the last two years he rankd

3rd in on-court production in 2007-08 and 1st in on-court production last season. see 82games website.

Mike, go talk about Amir’s production with the Bucks at a blog for the Bucks.

I’m not kidding.

I like Amir, but he didn’t perform like we needed him to last year when we did give him the chance.

Now, he’s a Buck, not a Piston. We’re all over him. You’re not. This is a Pistons blog. Amir is not a Piston.

MFMP +1,000

The thing about the RJ situation that seems craziest to me isn’t the gay rumors, isn’t the emailing the breakup, isn’t the calling it off two hours before the wedding. It’s that he can commit to this for life, but not this. Wild.

Do those extrapolated numbers really mean anything when he was never able to stay on the floor long enough to do it in legitimate minutes? Amir has been the poster child for the flaw in “per-36/48/whatev” stats— there’s a difference between a guy not getting playing time and a guy fouling himself out of playing time.

Offensively, I’ll never understand your infatuation. I don’t know if anyone here will. But if you want to make the argument about the effect of his defensive presence, then I’ll join right in with you saying he was underutilized. Our defensive +/- with him on the floor was markedly better last year than with him off. If it were me, I’d have let him play every game until he fouled out— it would happen in the second or third quarter, but he’d be dynamite while he was out there.

And yes, we’d probably continue to freeze him out of the offense.

What is this about Amir being frozen out on offense? He is great at dunking, and nothing else. That kind of limits his effectiveness offensively.

What is this about Amir being frozen out on offense? >>

You have to be able to have the ball even to dunk it.

Actually Johnson shot 45% last year from outside the restricted area which was 2nd best on the Pistons team to only McDyess 47%.

see nba hotspots.

Maxiell by comparison shot something like 30% from outside the restricted area.

Extrapolated stats may be flawed, but I think in this case, they serve a purpose in illustrating how foul prone Amir was as a Piston. Of course, he never played 36 minutes/game. He would have fouled out!

And the huge dip in extrapolated stats last year also illustrates how hollow his extrapolated #’s and PER were his 1st 3 years. Once he got minutes, his production went way down.

TRADE AMIR NOW.

TRADE TRADING AMIR NOW.

Mike, go talk about Amir’s production with the Bucks at a blog for the Bucks.

I’m not kidding.

I like Amir, but he didn’t perform like we needed him to last year when we did give him the chance.

Now, he’s a Buck, not a Piston. We’re all over him. You’re not. This is a Pistons blog. Amir is not a Piston.

Seconded.

Amir = Birdman/Junk Yard Dog + Fouls

TRADE MIKE NOW

Mike’s obnoxious and irrelevant Amir hyping = Reason to get drunk and surly tonight

Joel I agree that bench pressing is less important for small forwards. In fact, I would say that leg press is a better indicator for bigs also.

I think Amir’s biggest problem was that not only did he have a hitch in his jumpshot (which caused him to take a long time to get a shot off, on top of that he had a low release point – meaning he couldn’t go down low to the post like Sheed did early in his career) but he didn’t have the leg strength to hold his position. Bench pressing is nice and all, but I just turned 17 (today) and I bench 220 pounds in sets of 5 reps and I doubt that would matter if I played against Griffin because his legs are much stronger than mine and he could just back me out of the post.

That’s the problem Amir had, he couldn’t hold his position in the post, so even though he had a big vertical, he couldn’t rebound against starting bigs. While on the flip side, when he played against other projects, he could dominate purely because of his ability to run the floor and jump.

At this point, its safe to say Amir won’t be able to put on much more weight; the frame he has doesn’t allow him to do so without losing mobility (otherwise Arnie Kander would have helped him do so years ago). I doubt Amir will be a legit starter, but he may be able to put in 15 solid minutes a game off the bench for Milwaukee.

220! 0hh la la.

Ali?

Thanks for the compliment Joel lol, but to be honest I don’t want to end up like that. You lose way too much flexbility and mobility when you shoot for extreme definition like that, I prefer strength training instead. It doesn’t show up as much, but I’ll take it since it doesn’t hold me back nearly as much either.

I wrestle; half our practice is conditioning (cardio and strength training). To be honest, as long as you work at it, its not very hard to make your way up the weights. That or I just happen to have a good frame to work with; I never started benching until I turned 15 and went from starting at 135 to repping at 175 in about 3 months. I currently weigh around 160-170 to put that in perspective.

Amir Johnson sucks fo sho, can’t touch this steez you moe, orders as follows: just eat that crow, trade amir’s a meme yo, ain’t cuz you fly though

/drops mic, walks off stage

Bench press is practically irrelavent to most athletes, as a measure of pure strength… especially basketball players. The NBA and NFL would be better served testing squats. Power, strength, and speed all comes from the legs.

Although, if they did actually test squats, fatigue would cause everyone to get worse results on all of the other tests.

I would trade Cherokee Parks for Mike Payne and a 6 pack of his Mike’s Hard Lemonade.

Exactly what I’m talking about Jamison. Especially for basketball, being able to bench 300 pounds really doesn’t do you much good unless you play center because it’ll only slow you down. Leg pressing ability should be the primary test at the combine, I guess they’d just have to do it last to get a fair representation. That or you take into account that everyone is fatigued a bit, so no one has an advantage.

Jamison: +1

Bench press is one of the most useless ways to build strength. Other than making you look cool it doesn’t really help in any practical way, and you’re right that it’s not very helpful for football either.

What a boner-inducing thread we have going here.

The combine should also measure hand size to go along with wingspan and standing reach.

“The combine should also measure hand size to go along with… standing reach.”

This is getting out of control.

I mos def don’t have a boner. I did chuckle a bit, though, when I saw how unfazed Ali was, that that he actually continued talking about his frame and how it was good and stuff. Seriously? I know the main reason I come here is to hear about the work out habits of other commenters.

Mike,

The key piece of that article was the first two words…SUMMER LEAGUE. Amir averaged crazy numbers in the D-League and always excited fans in Summer League. I remember last year going crazy that Joe D. didn’t have him signed in time to play with Stuckey and Afflalo for most of Summer League.

Personally, I think Amir could become a force in Europe where the game is still a bit looser when it comes to fouls and his jumping ability would give him a significant advantage over the typical interior european player.

Whatever Colin, someone brought up a picture, so I commented on it and moved on.

I don’t know Joel, hand size could actually be useful to know. For instance, Kwame Brown has relatively small hands and he is turnover prone on offense.

The reason that Amir wasn’t very good for us wasn’t that he was weak in the legs.

It was that he just isn’t a very good basketball player.

No need for over-analysis.

The size of one’s hog is also an important predictor of success in the NBA, and in life.

I think its a combination of both, because you can have bad basketball players that at least can rebound. Amir could never hold his position in the paint when he went up against stronger bigs, and I personally believe that’s why he went from being Mr. Fantasy to crappy. But that’s just me.

I know the NFL combine does measure hand size. I don’t know why the NBA doesn’t; it would be helpful.

We might have to set up a kids table.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162009/sports/nets/nets_hill_can_talk_with_pistons_179508.htm
http://www.freep.com/article/20090714/SPORTS03/90714053/1051/SPORTS03/Transcript-of-today-s-chat-with-Pistons-writer-Vince-Ellis

Just wondering, is there some kind of rift between Joe and Bill+rest of the bad boys? I don’t see why Laimbeer wouldn’t do a decent job at the assistant position. At the very least he would probably be good with dealing with egos. Think about it, what’s harder, getting a group of guys to play basketball, or convincing a room full of women to do something not related to chocolate?

Think about it, what’s harder, getting a group of guys to play basketball, or convincing a room full of women to do something not related to chocolate?

I’m 100% positive that exact quote was already used on DBB in the last two weeks. It was either you, Ali, in which case you’re throwing the same joke at the wall multiple times hoping it sticks, or it’s someone else’s, in which case you’re thowing the same joke at a wall multiple times hoping it sticks.

Can somebody with interweb skillz please find the post I’m speaking of? I know I’m not the only person who remembers this.

And my comment on hand-size, with the included quote, was most definitely a homosexual joke. I feel like I shouldn’t have to explain these types of things.

Joel, you really seem to like homo jokes.

Well, he also recycled the “Does Joe D have a rift with the other Bad Boys” meme, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

Yeah I saw that rift question in the last post.

@Sauce:
/drops mic, walks off stage

Reading that reminded me— a friend and I once stole MF Doom’s mic after he dropped it at a show in Chicago back in ’04

@Craig

I do. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Plus it seemed appropriate with all the personal workout details going around.

“Nice pecs, bra.”

it was pretty awesome.

@ Joel:

Ali FTW:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-07-07/as-john-kuester-arrives-antonio-mcdyess-leaves/#comment-189583

Ali. Where getting douchier by the day happens.

/Don’t beat me up though, kay buddy?

/Don’t beat me up though, kay buddy?

Yeah, ’cause I believe a kid who self-identifies as 17 and claims to be able to bench 220 for 5 reps is telling the truth.

The internet. Where lying about your bench press happens.

@Gabe

clap.. clap….

Seriously Gabe, nice find.

I thought brawn was left by the side of the road with a bullet in its head a long time ago.

From 1:24PM EST onward, this thread has been thoroughly dominated.

re: Laimbeer assistant coach

I don’t know why Laimbeer can’t get an assistant’s job for sure, but I thought head coaches were usually left to choose their own assistants. Unless Kuester has some sort of connection with Laimbeer, I doubt that’s gonna happen.

@MFMPDOOM:

Was it his Mic or his imposter doom’s mic? Either way, free mic, Mike

FREE MIC/KE!

Between all the Amir stroking, the “this way to the beach talk”, and the ridiculous off the wall trade scenarios, this blog is getting pretty cluttered the past month or so.

Someone please make them go away.

What was that suggestion about voting up or down comments? Because I’m sold on that.

@Sean W.:
Someone please make them go away.

I tried the douche flush button, sadly nothing happened.

Was it his Mic or his imposter doom’s mic? Either way, free mic, Mike

Twas the maddest villain’s mic. I’m sure of it!

Or we could do a Sauce-inspired Haiku test. All who wish to join DBB must write an impressive DBB-themed haiku. Any slip on the amount of syllables will be judged most harshly.

@MP

Maybe Matt Watson has a plunger….

You know what the problem is? We miss Curry. Curry gave us a common foe, bedecked in checked suits, speaking a babble none could understand, calling plays stolen from the playbooks of drunken late-night NBA 2K players.

So here’s an idea:

I’m willing to get a petition going to send to Matt via e-mail to ask for comment threading and voting up and down.

If it’s deemed to be a good idea by folks, indicate with a +1.

Or, if that’s too forward on my part, indicate with a -1.

I dunno, the outhouse quality of the comments has me checkin’ this shit for laughs more than I did when the Pistons were red hot.

Outhouse status

Also, voting comments doesn’t make them go away, does it?

If you want a league of esteemed gentlepeople with posting/comment access, this is gonna get to be like the He-Man Women-Haters Club.

I call dibs on Spanky.

“this is gonna get to be like the He-Man Women-Haters Club”

bit late for that. We (or AI) scared off our genuine female contributor, PG4L.

The longer a post stays up without a new post, the less on topic and focused the comments get. Even the smartest commenters here get a bit punchy after a stale post is up for a few days, especially a titled ‘Reasons to Get Drunk and Surly Tonight’. Couple that with the desire to make a sub-.500 team into a champion with nothing more than $3.5M in cap space and Trade Machine and everybody becomes a fountain of stoopid.

Well, anyone can still post a response is my point. New IDs/IPs seem to get monitored as a default for approval, so your drive-by C’s douchebag has to get a slick neutral comment in before he loads up the Tommy Heinsohn Gun.

It’s basically wide open …

@Brgulker:
I assume Matt is still away at Summer League, and probably won’t be back until next week— upon which I assume he’ll start working on DBB upgrades (since his job revolves around basketball, things will be quiet for him for a while).

That said, Matt did suggest a few ideas, like that we’re discussing here, before the season ended. We should ask him to revisit that in a post, then we can comment on our suggestions for improvement.

@Sauce:
Also, voting comments doesn’t make them go away, does it?

There is a plugin for wordpress called “intense debate” which will be included in future installs of the wordpress software. It’s basically an advanced comment management system that includes much of the functionality we’ve talked about here. It’s sort of similar to Digg comment system. When a comment has been voted down enough, it goes “below the viewing threshold”.

Here’s an example of a digg comment thread (as submitted by our very own matt watson), see the comments that are “below viewing threshold”:
http://digg.com/basketball/Allen_Iverson_cries_while_talking_about_scholarship_program

Good comments are voted up, bad ones voted down, if they’re bad enough they go below the viewing threshold, but can be viewed when clicked upon (which you know we’re all going to do anyway since DBB is like crack to us)

Boring day at work. I’m just waiting for JoeD to pull the trigger on a trade for rip. I’d be a bit disappointed to go into the season with a 3 guard rotation. I may change my mind if things go well and they play well together.

I don’t like the list of of FA candidates for center though. I’m hoping Ben is not brought back. I say just stack two 55 gallon drums on top of each other and put a Ben Wallace jersey on it. There’s your center.

@ MP: Like you said, that doesn’t make anyone go away. That just makes people try harder without any promise of ‘better.’ Remember LawyerBitch-a-minute with the comment totals? Try rubbing comments with a smudge of dirt in the form of negative votes. It’ll just make people go apeshit for more cracks at the thing, is my guess.

But what if the idiots band together and start voting down our comments? The horror. I think I’d prefer a benevolent dictator.

Devil’s advocate, but keep in mind that every summer, DBB sucks ass because there’s nothing to do but snipe at each other. Last year was worst, in my view.

Case in point: you’re all douches. Discuss.

/boney’d

@MP

Matt’s back in MI, according to his Twitter account, anyway.

And yeah, I’m sure he’ll give some time to DBB over the summer.

I was thinking that it might be helpful to have some feedback from those who post regularly, not necessarily trying to force his hand.

Petition was the wrong word.

I almost forgot my sole suggestion to make this place better.

You know the single most shit-fuckingly-irritating aspect of DBB? The kind that makes me go away?

Game-time … and any popular/busy moment for that matter … this thing slows down to 22k dialup days.

Dump the current host. Get a new host, take up a collection … a DBB fundraiser if you have to, I don’t care, just make sure you get a provider that doesn’t crash DBB when usage suddenly spikes.

Colin’s benevolent dictator is an agreement. Actually, a slightly mad dictator is better …. keeps the peeps on their toes.

“but who will lead us in the rebuilding process?”

Umm, that doesn’t sound bad, it sounds great and very peaceful.

Look at that, Sauce was busy paying me a compliment while I was readying an insult. HA! How cute.

@ Rob G:

It’s the summer. My only response is to hawk Massengill.

Colin, you’re too slow. Before I hit ‘submit,’ I already foresaw your swipe exactly as typed, just like I foresaw the shit sandwich that was AI.

@DBB:
Time to resurrect this thread, which Matt put together to address tech changes on DBB this summer:
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-04-26/state-of-the-blog/

If I remember rightly, we did settle upon a comment rating system in the thread you’ve linked, MP. I’d say, let’s try it this summer as a trial.

@Sauce: You’ve been watching too much Harry Potter.

i am not DEUESCH just epinion

Colin:

Not a fan of Harry Potter.

geez sorry guys, but I don’t recall ever getting a response to that question

I don’t know how to prove to you guys about the bench press thing though, take it how you will

AAAAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!1111111 Two hours later….so lame.

Actually the double 55 gallon drum idea reminded me that we could easily just go with this guy who’d be about the same as a washed up Ben Wallace:

http://www.rockbottomdeals.biz/prod_images_blowup/54557a.jpg

Colin I was out of the house

@ Rob G:

For those extra-douchey summer Colin days, try extreeeeem.

Message specifically for Ali: This isn’t a compliment or defense of you.

Great find dude

OMG. My worst nightmare has come true. Did I see above where Mike has resurrected the Amir Johnson conversation. Just shoot me now. Better yet, I better just lay off DBB until maybe training camp rolls around, before I do some bodily harm to myself. Hey Mike Payne & Sauce, wake me up when its October. Thanks much.

Mike and Ali illustrate Emerson’s adage that “Consistency is the hobgoblin of…” something. I forget.

Full throttle douche bottle does have a nice ring to it. Video was not funny, however.

@ Ali ~

We’re just messing with you man.

But, if you really did want to prove it, you could try out for the Spare Tires.

Colin, you clearly don’t have a sense of humor.

@Sauce: I didn’t take offense to it or call it mysoginistic. It just didn’t make me laugh. Actually, I laughed during the intro, but the actual sketch didn’t do it for me. So, yes, I clearly lack a sense of humor because I didn’t find one of the hundreds of youtube clips that you’ve posted to be funny.

@Colin,

At least you can be honest with yourself about your sense of humorless

Colin, I didn’t sense offense or mysogyny. You’re the first person to respond “meh” to it, one in a pool of what’s shaping up to be a large minority.

@ Jod, Won’t you make a trade or something so we can stop bickering back and forth? Otherwise I’ll have to go back to doing actual work.

@Sauce: fair enough, and congrats on spelling mysogyny correctly. I hate that word almost as much as…..

I don’t like the +/- system because the people most likely to use it don’t know how to differentiate that with which they disagree from that which is offensive. Would we really have wanted the AI fans having the power to censor our comments?

By the way, this post isn’t days old. It’s barely 24 hours old.

Lastly, ridiculous trade proposals are what NBA blogs are all about.

Ungrateful sons of bitches you all are.

+/- addition: Basically, Mike would also never get a fair comment in for approval, because he is synonymous with the “TRADE _______ NOW” meme.

Some of you applaud that. Just wait’ll that’s you.

QD IS UNGRATEFUL, AND SAUCE ENJOYS THE OUTHOUSE AMBIENCE OF THE BLOG, TRADE BOTH NOW!!!1

I co-sign Kevin S.

I would think that if there weren’t stupid posters to bitch and moan about, we would all generally be less happy people.

If the +/- system could just be a + system, where the best comments are voted up, but there is no way to vote down a comment, I think that could be a decent compromise. Then petty fights and disagreements don’t lead to people being being censored, but there would still be some filtering of the comments.

Dirk Nowitzki is such a deutschbag.

I looked at the rebounding percentages and block percentages of the free agent big men the Pistons were considering (Big Baby, Gooden, Wallace, Nesterovich, Wilcox and I looked at Powe too).

Powe had the best rebounding percentage, followed by Gooden and Wallace. Wallace had by far the best block percentage. Nesterovich was second (but a terrible rebounder) and Powe was close behind him.

I think giving Ben a one year contract and giving Powe a two year contract (with a team option in the second year) is my preferred course of action.

Look at Shane Battier coming in with logical posts and good ideas. What a douche.

Not sure if this question has already been asked, but if QD = Battier, what player is coachDP?

“Look at Shane Battier coming in with logical posts and good ideas. What a douche.”

Agreed. Way too rational for this thread. Deleted.

@Gabe:
Primoz Brezec

Scott Pollard

haha, that was funny, Colin. this thread amazes and amuses me.

Kevin s., that was awesome.

Afflalo is happy to be traded:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2009/07/16/nba_090716_afflalo_intv.nba/

I don’t know if someone had posted this, because I haven’t had a chance to read the page yet, but this is too funny:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-86/Portland-s-Pursuit-of-Paul-Millsap—Sincerity-or-Strategy-.html

I would definitely do this if I were a GM. I am loving seeing the Jazz squirm.

@Drew…that’s frikin awesome. It makes it so the Jazz stop waiting to see what other teams do. Everyone knows the Jazz want Millsap, and that they will match almost anything to keep him. The Tblazers are just quickening the process, and making them deal Boozer quicker, which screws the Jazz because they won’t get as good of offers. It’s frikin amazing. I hope the Tblazers win the championship in the next 2-4 fours years, as long as they don’t face the Stones lol

@ Rob G:

I think the Emerson quote is: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” Something like that. High school was a LONG time ago.

Continuing with the high school theme…it’s SAT analogy time!

QD : Shane Battier :: coachDP : Michael Curry

Hey guys, another trade suggestion. Crazy but it could work.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lrxsdg

Pistons get: Joel Przybilla, Andre Kirilenko, and Daequan Cook (24.5 million incoming)
Pistons lose: Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince (21.6 million outgoing)

Jazz get: Udonis Haslem, Dorell Wright, Rip Hamilton and Travis Outlaw (24.8 million incoming)
Jazz lose: Andre Kirilenko, Carlos Boozer, and Ronnie Brewer (31.7 million outgoing

Heat get: Carlos Boozer and Rudy Fernandez (13.7 million incoming)
Heat lose: Udonis Haslem, Daequan Cook, and Dorell Wright (11.2 million outgoing)

TBlazers get: Tayshaun Prince and Ronnie Brewer (13 million incoming)
TBlazers lose: Joel Przybilla, Travis Outlaw, and Rudy Fernandez (11.5 million outgoing)

Pistons benefits: They get their starting center, and replace Tayshun with AK47

Jazz Benefits: They save around 7 million in cap.

Heat benefits: They get Carlos freaking Boozer.

TBlazers benefits: They get Tay.

It’s already been rumored that the Heat are trying to trade for Boozer, and have offered Haslem and Wright. They also want Lamar Odom to sign for 5 years for the MLE. Damn nice starting lineup: Chalmers, Wade, Odom, Boozer, O’Neal

What do you guys think of this one?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Chatter-090716

Second to last section. Jesus. RASHO!

It’s believed that the Pistons, as of Thursday, have Rasho Nesterovic and Chris Wilcox ahead of Drew Gooden as their next free-agent targets, since it appears that they can’t assemble an offer sheet rich enough for Glen Davis to keep the Boston Celtics from matching.

Thank god.

Even RadishLove is better than Big Baby.

I’m okay with Wilcox. Not so sure about Rasho though.

I feel like we keep getting San Antonio’s sloppy seconds. They use the hell out of Nazr and Rasho when they’re pretty; then once they’ve gained some weight and the self-esteem drops, in comes the Pistons for the pity fuck.

Oh my god, Gooden makes that list too. Ugh, I think the Pistons are gonna need a shower.

@Cody

Prolly your worst trade idea yet. I still contend we’re going to use up our cap space before any trade is made. I also don’t think a trade should be made anyway.

The Jazz have officialy matched Portland’s offer for Millsap.

AK-47 one of the five worst contracts in the league. Joe D ain’t taking that one on at gunpoint.

Detroit should pull a Portland and extend the “baby” an offer just to screw with the celt’s !

We need AK-47 on this team like we need Darko back.

i have hated the guy in the past but i would actually prefer gooden over rasho or wilcox

Who names their kid Rasho? Why not Cysto? Or Boilo? Or Subdermalhematoma-o?

@Rob G:
“Subdermalhematoma-o” — win.

“Rasho” is actually a nickname, his real name is Radoslav (hence me referring to him as RadishLove above)

“I love ya, Rasho. I got you under my skin, or should I say in the shallow epidermis. Seriously, though, kid, you’re gonna be great in the league. You’re gonna spread like… herpes. Really, I mean it, I love you, at least until I meet your cousin Ointmento.”

I don’t know what the hell this thread has come to, but I’m just glad Sauce dropped the mic and walked off stage.

From that ESPN article:
“The Clippers — apart from owner Donald Sterling — would greatly prefer to add more of a set-up man to a backcourt rotation that already features Baron Davis and emerging star Eric Gordon as opposed to signing Allen Iverson to a one-year deal up to the full $5.9 million midlevel exception.

The top choice in that scenario? Extending an offer sheet to restricted free agent Ramon Sessions.

Yet as we covered here Wednesday, Sterling wants a ticket-seller if he’s going to spend. Winning the draft lottery and the right to select Blake Griffin with the No. 1 overall pick apparently resulted in the sale of only a few hundred extra season-ticket packages. "

Good lord. Don’t they get it? You sell tickets BY FUCKING WINNING AT THE GAME OF BASKETBALL. Not with stars.

Sterling is AFI. Clippers=second worst franchise ever(behind the Lions)

kevin s. – I need 3 DBB posts a day or I get the shakes. It feels like days since I had my last fix. HOW IS JEREBKO DOING IN SUMMER LEAGUE?!? HALLO?!?

Jazz finally matched Millsap’s offer sheet…Boozer will be traded in the next few days most likely…Also, Portland is interested in Tayshaun and Hinrich. Still a lot to happen trade-wise.

This is me on a Thursday night with WAY too much time on my hands, so feel free to ignore this:

Rip Hamilton, Jason Maxiell, and future pick for Amare Stoudamire

Depth Chart with Minutes Per Game:
Rodney Stuckey (32 mpg)/Will Bynum (16 mpg)/ Sean Singeltary
Ben Gordon (38 mpg)/Marquis Daniels (10 mpg)/Deron Washington
Tayshaun Prince (32 mpg)/Dajuan Summers (8 mpg)/Austin Daye (8 mpg)
Amare Stoudamire (36 mpg)/Charlie Villanueva (28 mpg)/Jonas Jerebko (6 mpg)
Ben Wallace (18mpg)/Kwame Brown (8mpg)/Dwayne Jones

Minutes by Position:
PG: Stuckey (24 mpg) / Bynum (16 mpg) / Gordon (8 mpg) / Singletary (DL/SM)
SG: Gordon (30 mpg) / Daniels (10 mpg) / Stuckey (8 mpg) / Washington (DL/SM)
SF: Prince (32 mpg) / Summers (8 mpg) / Daye (8 mpg) / Daniels (SM)
PF: Stoudamire (14 mpg) / Villanueva (28 mpg) / Jerebko (6 mpg) / Jones (DL/SM)
C : Wallace (18 mpg) / Stoudamire (22 mpg) / Brown (8 mpg) / Jones (DL/SM)
DL = D-League
*SM = spot minutes

Kay Wan, I love the Amare deal. However, starting Big Ben at center is crazy at this point. He is 6 foot 9 and can no longer jump. Ben can still rotate decently and take charges, but doesn’t have the ups to play C. I say make the Amare trade and grab a different big. CV being a bench player kind of intrigues me, but I don’t know how you can allow a player that versatile not to start. I really hope this trade goes down, even though it won’t. This team could give a powerhouse a run for their money.

Kay Wan, why would Phoenix do that deal? Would they put Rip at SF and Earl Clark at PF? Doesn’t make sense for them.

Rasho, the Delaware of Centers. I’d do that. He’d be a bargain, can start at the C, and we could scale his minutes depending on our contending/rebuilding factor.

Those rotation/minutes breakdowns are all fun and games until the coach throws in a Jason Maxiell DNP-MCIAFI and then your head explodes.

Ok, well Portland covets Tayshaun and Hinrich, so I did a deal that would net them both players.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m3sumx

With this deal Postland has to exhaust all of their remaining cap(all of their contracts were just too small to try and trade equal value), but they get the 2 players they seem to covet the most. Chicago actually saves about $6 million, and we are even cap-wise but we get a center and a promising, young SF in Outlaw. Chicago gets a solid back-up PG in Blake as well as a good SG in Fernandez to help alleviate the pain of losing BG. They do lose Noah but they still have Miller and Jerome James to man the middle. Portland has to give up Przybilla, Outlaw, Blake, and Fernandez but they get Hinrich, Tayshaun, and Noah as replacements. Fernandez is already upset at the organization so might as well trade him. As for our team we basically just give up Tay for Przybilla and Outlaw. I just brought Chicago in the deal so that the Blazers could get Hinrich as well. I really think the Blazers make out the best in this deal.

Portland*

@ QD: they could probably put J-Rich at SF. He is 6’6", 225, I think he could more than hold his own.

Matt Barnes is talking to Orlando? How many fuckers can that team sign? It must be nice being over the cap…

Matt Barnes will probably get a minimum contract.

hey guys, long time reader, first time poster.

So I’ll start with a inventory of what I think are our strengths:

The husky brigade-(BG, RIP, CV)- 3 all star calibur players with the ability to get their shots.

X Factors-(Tay, Bynum, Max, Stuckey)-Tay had a rough time this past season but we all know what he is capable of. Max is a beast and is just the type of post presence you need for the return to the bad boy type play. Bynum has tons of upside and has came up big as of late. Stuckey was built in the mold of Chauncey, I think he’ll come into that and use his size and other skills to dominate like Chauncey does.

The Surprising Prospects-(Daye, Summers, D.Washington, J.J.)- Summers has a wealth of raw talent relative to his experience, at least thats the word from NBA scouts(definite steal), Daye has the athleticism, shooting skills, and length that with the right nourishment could lead him to far surpass Tay, D.Wash is a freak athlete and has shown the intangible ability to grow as a player(last year to this year), JJ is good too.

Players lost-this is a strength as far as I am concerned. Sheed)Let this guy go to Boston and be a cancer like he was here post championship. That kind of lazy, entitled attitude is nothing JoD wants around his prospects. Chauncey)lights out shooter, but on the latter side of his career. Dyess)great rebounder, on the backside of his career. AI) need I say. AA)D.Washington is a slight upgrade given the point in his career.

What we need is not only another big man, but a bruiser down low, think bad boys. Now think Wallacex2. Common Factor- You always got knocked around when you came in the post. Maxiell needs a partner in crime. Big names don’t matter, the Pistons have proven that in the past.

I came to the conclusion that the only people on the Pistons that are expendable is the Fans!!!!! lol

why are we up so late on dbb… why

JoD doesn’t sleep til the deal is done, neither shall i.

Ointmento is going to be a professional baseball player someday. Bank on that. Coco Crisp lives. You know Ointmento’s coming.

@QD:

The could move J-Rich to the 3, start Rip at SG, and start either Frye or Maxiell at the 4. I don’t know if Lopez is a starting-caliber C yet, but they could give try him our or sign another C on the cheap that would fit their system like Wilcox. They could even start Maxiell at the 4 and move Frye to the 5.

Nash/Barbosa/Dragic
Hamilton/Pavlovic
Richardson/Hill
Maxiell/Clark
Frye/Lopez

Nevermind.

@ Rob G: The clippers have never gotten it.

@ Cody: I think they make a run at Lamar. He’s in the mold of Hedo who they first chased and it makes the Lakers considrably weaker. As an added bonus, it’s a team in their own conference.

Kay Wan: Phx would have to trade Rich Jefferson first at the 2. They’re paying him a boatload of money and they would have more money wrapped at the two the we currently do. I see they could move him to the 3, but I don’t think they’re that enamored with him.

KronJ: I like it but Chi won’t part with Noah for that package.
Maybe Tyrus.

I can’t wait to see if the Blazers jump at Odom. This will be interesting.

Let’s start some tradmachine shit:

Chris Paul, during an interview with Pro Basketball News, said he thinks it’s possible the Hornets could trade him to help alleviate the team’s high payroll.
“In this league, anything can happen,” said Paul. “I can be dealt.”

Paul then was asked that surely he can’t be serious he could be traded.

“It’s possible,” he said. “It’s possible.”

@KRONIKjose

Chicago gets HOSED in that deal. No way they even think about that deal. Joakim, the only young big that they like, and a top 10 PG in Heinrich for career backup Steve Blake and a bag of potential in Fernandez? If anything, you substitute Ty Thomas and it’s a LOT more attractive for the Bulls— trust me, everyone in this city is 100% convinced Noah > Tyrus, and with Tyrus’ attitude and athleticism up for an extension this year, they’d love nothing more than to dump that moody bitch on some other unsuspecting team.

Beaten to the punch by Mr. Butter in sunny Southern California.

Sunny it is baby~!! And please, no “Misters.” lol

Ya I wanted to include Tyrus because I know they have been trying to deal him, but Noah was the only center that had the contract to make the deal work. Plus, maybe you guys missed it, but they would be saving between $6 and $7 million in that deal. I know it’s not the GREATEST deal for the Bulls, but in today’s economy, saving that kind of money is a big deal. You guys are probably right though, they wouldn’t want to have the fans in an uproar.

Out of all the potential centers I’ve heard suggested, my favorite option is still Robin Lopez. Since they dealt Shaq I’m not sure Phoenix would give him up, but then again they’re ridiculous so you never know. If we had a few young assets to offer, such as an athletic young big man or a solid shooting guard to offer, maybe they’d pull the trigger. Unfortunately we don’t have anyone like that on our roster…

such as an athletic young big man or a solid shooting guard to offer, maybe they’d pull the trigger. Unfortunately we don’t have anyone like that on our roster…

Maybe we could just pay them the cash we saved by dumping those types of players?

/sarcasm

I’m reading that Rasho Nesterovic and Chris Wilcox are the top guys on the Dumars Doppler 4 radar right now.

@Skylar

That might actually the be the combo of bigs for our money that I’ve seen yet— this might be because Joe Dumars is smarter than us? Rasho’s a completely average C, which is something we need. And Wilcox is nothing if 6’10", athletic, and young— and you can really never have enough of those type of guys.

I’d like Rasho before Gooden. He will serve a purpose at the 5, which I don’t think Gooden could do.

And at least we’re hopefully off that Baby Davis thought.

Central Michigan Rocks!

On another news.. Antoine Walker has been arrested on gambling debts charges..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4336288

Rasho and Wilcox on small short term deals is definitely a huge step up from throwing a more expensive long term deal at Big Baby.

Personally, I’d probably prefer Gooden and Singleton, then try to get Big Ben on a vet minimum contract. Rasho’s rebound rate is a bit too low for my taste, and his block rate has been in decline for the last few years, so while he’s a good 1v1 post defender, he’s not much of a help defender. As old and slow as Ben is, he still rebounds and blocks shots more than Rasho, though he’s probably not as good at 1v1 post defense.

But IMO, with our current roster, we need rebounding (especially defensive rebounding) even more than individual, 1v1 post defense. Gooden, Singleton and Big Ben each have plenty of holes in their games, but they can all rebound the ball very well (they’ve all put up better rebounding numbers than Wilcox or Rasho).

Still, as long as it’s not Baby Davis, I’ll be happy.

Overall, I like where the roster is heading. I like the young core:

Stuckey, Gordon, Villanueva, Daye, Bynum, Maxiell, Summers, Jerebko, Kwame, and Washington.

I think just about everything is there. A young Ben Wallace type who’s a beast on the boards, block shots and gets garbage points is the only hole.

I’m also excited to see Tayshaun, Rip and hopefully Ben Wallace work to get these guys to play team defense.

I think Dumars traded Afflalo so he would have some flexibility if a good trade presented itself, but I wish he would have kept him too.

Also, I hope Dumars doesn’t bring in too many more guys. I’d rather watch Jerebko get minutes out of position at center than watch some guy on a one year contract.

@QD

Second the notion of the putting the young guys into the fire right away. No more Amirs. I’d rather these young guys sharpen their teeth with real minutes than throw Rasho out there for 20+ a night. 10mpg each for Daye/Summers/Jerebko shouldn’t be out of the question. And 10 mpg+ for Washington should basically be implied at this point, given that we have literally no other backup SG.

I’m still on board with Benny Wallace for the vet’s minimum too, regardless of Rasho/Wilcox/Gooden/etc.

I’m down for Big Ben part Deux. He’s gonna have to pick a new number though.

Ugh, Keith Langlois’s new article/post starts out summarizing things everyone already knows, then ends on a note that is below his already shoddy standards:
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/truebluepistons.html#090717

Brief quote:
“…[Jod] will go into next summer without any particular critical need, meaning he’ll be able to target the best player and the best personality fit for the Pistons instead of looking for the best shooter or best rebounder or best shot-blocker on the market.”

On what planet does our roster next year not have a “critical need?” If we don’t trade Rip, most of our money is committed to a core of Gordon/Rip/Tay/CV/Max (around $45mil is tied to just those five), then we have Stuck/MFWB at PG, plus the rookie SF/PF’s. WOW, that’s a lot of depth… Except, wait, isn’t there another position, it’s the one big, tall guys usually play, that Keith and I are forgetting about??

I’m not totally devoted to NBA orthodoxy/conventional wisdom when it comes to the idea that teams need dominant centers to win, but WE DON’T EVEN HAVE ONE CENTER UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT SEASON, and that’s okay, there are options out there to fill that obvious hole. But it’s retarded to pretend that next years roster doesn’t have a single “critical need,” when it has a blindingly obvious one.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Wilcox and Ben Wallace in uniform.

Wallace could be our Nazr, maybe get 15-20 minutes a night at both PF and C depending on foul trouble…

PG – Stuckey/Bynum
SG – Rip/Gordon/Washington
SF – Tay/Rip/Summers/Daye
PF – CV/Max/Wilcox/Summers/Jerebko
C – Wallace/Kwame/Wilcox

That’s not the best rotation but if you can get Wilcox and Wallace for 3.5m? I’d give the offseason a C+/B- as far as acquisitions go. Wilcox is still young and over the course of the season Ben can be faded out into an Elden Campbell role where really he only plays when the others are in foul trouble.

I really like the names on the roster with regard to our perimeter shooting. I think adding CV and Gordon were positive and eventually if we can find a taker for Rip, it’ll be even better and make the team even deeper. Right now though, with Afflalo gone, it’s almost as if Joe D is going to have to get another combo guard to come off the bench before he dumps Rip. Otherwise running a 3 guard rotation with Washington as the 4th option isn’t going to work. For all the respect I have for Tayshaun, I don’t want to see him dribbling the ball up as if he’s some sort of Grant Hill “point forward” bullshit.

@ Colin

Ben can wear #30 like he did in Washington… or maybe Joe D will pay him some respect and un-retire #4 for him.

I’m in the “Ben is washed up camp” but even at 10 minutes a night I think he can be decent.

I think Stuck would change his number for Ben..he’s already offered to change it a few times.

I don’t see the point in him changing it for 1 year. I like Boney’s suggestions.

Cody,

it’s not like baseball where you can just change the number for whatever reason. Stuckey wasn’t allowed to change it for Allen Iverson…

I wouldn’t want Stuckey to change it. Let Ben give respect to Rasheed and wear #30.

He wouldn’t change for just a year…Big Ben’s number 3 will probably get retired here.

@Boney…Stuckey wasn’t allowed to change it because it was in the middle of the season. Correct me if i’m wrong, but they can change it during the offseason, and i’d love to have Ben don the big, rugged, and tough 3 once more.

@ Boney:

The reason Stuckey couldn’t change his jersey had to do with it being mid-season.

They could change it off-season with no issues.

@ brgulker

Like always, you’re right… no matter how douchey you sound when making your point (kidding!)

@ cody

Screw Ben. Let him have #30.

lol @ boney. It’s been a long day and week. For some reason, you making fun of me was just the chuckle I needed. :)

Portland is a little bi- tri-curious.

Fail.

Couldn’t Ben just wear a backward 3?

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Ben could wear a 3 and a < and it would totally make a heart!

I had a chance to watch Wilcox a lot as I’ve lived in Seattle the past three years (FUCK YOU CLAY BENNETT) and I think he’s one of those guys who’s game would improve with better players around him…when Robert Swift is getting significant minutes on your team, you know there is something wrong…

In any event, he’s the youngest of bunch that we’re looking at, averages 14.7/8 rpg per 36 minutes, and plays bigger than 6’10.

While Nesterovic has the best overall numbers especially defensively (I only looked at per 36 minutes), he’s 33 years old. Gooden is a year older than Wilcox but with more wear and tear.

I’d rather have Wilcox on our team who can commit his time to putback dunks, rebounding, and helpside defense over Gooden’s ducktail or a 33 y/o 7 footer who’s been playing deep into the playoffs the past however many years. Pick up Ben Wallace to anchor your 2nd team defense and use Kwame as your Dale Davis/Elden Campbell.

“use Kwame as your Dale Davis/Elden Campbell”

I am probably in the minority, but I think Kwame, alongside an offense-mined PF, is your starting C, because Kwame is pretty damn solid on D.

not a pistons trade, but +66 wins!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ns4twl

I agree, Rob. Kwame can defend and rebound very well at center and Wilcox would be nice off the bench because of his athleticism/energy.

I completely agree, Rob G. That’s why I don’t understand why everyone’s panicking about not having a “center.” I’m happy with Kwame starting. There are only a few centers out there who are any good, so when you play one of those teams that have one, you give Kwame more minutes. And when you’re not you scale down his minutes and roll with Villanueva, Maxiell and the rookies.

I’ll fourth that shit.

Friday afternoon Trade machine Boredom…

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mnerpq

Detroit gets: Pryzbilla, Outlaw, Rudy Fernandez (or Batum), Jerome James
Portland gets: Prince, Hinrich
Chicago gets: Rip, Steve Blake

With all the rumors going around about Portland’s interest in Prince and Hinrich, I thought I’d put something together that gets them what they want. Not sure how willing they would be to include Rudy, but this seems like a reasonable deal to me, and definitely fixes the Pistons imbalance issues.

Depth Chart Game:

Stuckey/Bynum
Gordon/Rudy
Outlaw/Summers/Daye
CV31/Max/Wilcox?
Pryz/Kwame/Jerebko

*Jerome James would be released, or perhaps traded at the deadline as an expiring deal.

I agree that Kwame is better than Campbell/Davis…I was really only drawing the comparison based on body type and the idea that he’d be your guy for your bigger centers whom you expect no offense from but full use of his 6 fouls.

And I know we’re in a different boat now than we were last year, but it’s pretty depressing to hear people say, “I’m happy with Kwame as our starting center.”

Kwame is a properly valued commodity at $4 million/year but he wouldn’t start on any team in the top 25% of the league. I can’t really be happy about that because it’s openly admitting that we’re definitely not in the top 25% anymore…and a better center could ultimately get us back there much sooner than expected.

It’s slow on here so I’ll propose a trade to piss everyone off and spark snide comments.

Rip for Manu Ginobli.

San Antonio gets a SG that’s more likely to be healthy.

Detroit gets a SG that can handle the ball and probabaly fits better with the up-tempo game. His contract expires so you can resign him at a lower salary than Rip’s contract (Ginobli won’t do better with next year’s cap shrinkage) and uses those savings to re-up Stuckey and add a center using the full MLE and still avoid the luxury tax penalty. Sharing the SG duties with Gordon could help him recover from his injuries.

I’ve been a fan of Ginobli’s game since he cut his hair and stopped using it to flop with.

@QD:
I don’t think trading Rip for ANY sg, hated or not, makes sense for Detroit. We have improvements to make in our starting lineup (starting SF and C) and holes in our bench (backup C). We have a $22 million logjam at the 2, plus serviceable backups— so aside from getting out of Rip’s contract, I just don’t see how that makes any sense.

Eastern Conference Centers:

First Tier: Dwight Howard
Second Tier: Shaq, Brook Lopez
Third Tier: Okafor, Perkins, Bogut, Dalembert
Fourth Tier: O’Neal, Darko, Haywood, Miller, Hibbert
Fifth Tier: Bargnani

I would take Kwame over everyone in the 4th and 5th tier. And I think he’ll hold his own against anyone on the 3rd Tier (none of them will score on him and vice versa).

And, to be clear, when I say I think Kwame should start, I don’t mean he should play starter’s minutes. I see him as the 3rd or 4th big man in terms of minutes played.

@patthepat

I read Simmons’ mailbag too. He did come up with a pretty neat trade, didn’t he?

By the way, I just got done writing this book, Ulysses.

I agree, QD. Kwame at center is OK, if he’s only playing 24-28 minutes and isn’t asked to score more than 6-8 ppg. That is the best way to max out his ability.

That said, we need that 4th big guy before I’ll feel really comfortable with the arrangement!

@QD:
That’s why I don’t understand why everyone’s panicking about not having a "center."

Also, and I don’t mean to single you out, but I think the panic represents two concerns:
1) that we only have one center and no other player with enough size to truly manage that position. (by “size” I mean weight and height).

2) there is potential in players like Przybilla and Dalembert to improve over Kwame. Portland is actively seeking Prince, Philly wants to rinse their hands of Dalembert. We have options that could be on our table right now to make a significant upgrade at the five, while retaining Kwame to fill the hole we have at the backup.

That said, I’m totally comfortable with Kwame as our starting C. I was impressed by what he gave us last year and his price is certainly right. But Kwame alone doesn’t address the needs this team has in our frontcourt depth chart. With the Shaqs, Perkins and Howards of the EC, we don’t have enough bodies for fouls alone that don’t present horrific matchup problems (in other words, Jerebko is 6’9 210— and ain’t gonna cut it with even a few minutes at the 5).

Let’s just sign Patrick Chewing from those Snickers ads. That guy can dunk.

Patrick Chewing would solve all of our problems.

MP, I don’t see as many holes as you do (but it might be that I’m looking long term and not at next year). I think the SF spot is stocked with the 4 rookies coming in. As for the center position, I’m probably higher on Kwame than you are. But, I also think that you can get a center with the MLE next year. I’m sure another Marcin Gortat will pop up.

@QD:
I think the SF spot is stocked with the 4 rookies coming in.

No doubt, there’s nothing wrong at our SF, other than the guy we’re starting. Unlike the beginning of the summer, I’d rather retain Prince than Hamilton now due to the BG signing. I mentioned the SF upgrade not because of our depth, but to find an upgrade over Tayshaun Prince.

I’m probably higher on Kwame than you are.

Who knows. I will say he was one of three bright spots in our last season, in MFWB, Kwame himself and actually Rip (who we shat on repeatedly and he still performed). I love Kwame as a Piston, I think he deserves more minutes this season— plenty. I’m more than comfortable with him as a starter. But the situation is still pretty clear— we have a logjam, a big trade piece in Hamilton, and an opportunity to improve. Kwame would be our weakest starter, no matter how much you and I both like him.

Would Philly go for Rip for Dalembert? Is that a good move for Detroit?

Philly would do that trade. Joe Dumars would not.

Wilcox is definitely the most appealing of the guys available. He’s put up good numbers and he’s pretty efficient. Plus, he’s young, athletic, hustles (he’s unbelievably fast getting up and down the court), and can be had for cheap. I feel like he’s never really had a fair shot anywhere. He got stuck in bad situations with the Clips, Sonics/Thunder (where he played quite well), and Knicks. And he can dunk. Man, can he dunk. With him and Maxiell on the team… let’s just say a lot of babies would go missing in the Auburn Hills area.

philly would shoot lou williams in the face to get that deal done. rip for dalembert would not be good for us though. sammy probably has the worst contract in the league.

anyone have a link for he summer league game?

Dalembert has a trade kicker. Not gonna happen.

@Joel

never claimed credit for that one, nice try though

I leave for a week fully expecting to come home to a DBB headline reading, “Amare Stoudamire Is A Piston” or something equally ground breaking but all I get are reasons to drink. sigh

I’m thinking it’s about time to go pick up 24 more reasons to drink tonight.

@Colin:
Dalembert has a trade kicker. Not gonna happen.

It’s a small one though, 15% of his salary, which wouldn’t put it over the cap. I know it is still unlikely, but not impossible. Will he might be pricey, his production on rebounding, defense and shot blocking is on par with kaman, chandler, et. al., albeit better in some spots— but dalembert has played 82 games a year for the last three straight.

Summers shooting a little too much this game so far— 5-15 for 12 points and 10 (!) fouls.

Daye having another good game— 7-12 for 19/8/2stls.

Jerebko also having a nice game— 5-8 for 17 and 5, 6-12 FT.

wow. jerebko has more than twice as many points as fga’s. nice job.

Jerebko gets to the line!

Could it be that overpaying (not Joe’s style) is worth it when you’re getting what this new core needs? (Rebounding, defense, 82 games/season) There is going to be plenty of offense no matter who is added to the team.

Really though it seems to me like Joe will wait this one out until he gets a home run trade deal. Develop the young core until the perfect piece becomes available. Be it October, the trade deadline…or next summer.

@Garrett

What, these reasons to drink aren’t good enough? It beats coming home to read “Pistons trade for (insert player you hate here),” and then needing to have a few drinks.

*overpaying for Dalembert

@MP:

Good points. The trade kicker would bring his salary up to around 13 million a year (is it 15% of his avearage yearly salary?). Not so bad, I guess but I would rather stand pat for now, sign a couple big guys to the minimum and only trade for him if everything else falls through.

are you guys watching feeds of the summer league and if so where can it be watched?

“Really though it seems to me like Joe will wait this one out until he gets a home run trade deal. Develop the young core until the perfect piece becomes available. Be it October, the trade deadline…or next summer.”

I hope so. Don’t trade Rip unless you get a young player of comparable ability in return. One person’s logjam is another person’s 48 minutes of unadulterated offensive assault.

Jerekbo > Green

summer league is over. today’s cavs game was the last we’ll see of these guys until the fall. i checked nba tv, but it seems the only pistons game they’re rerunning anytime soon is the warriors game, our only loss of the summer league. no thanks.

however, set your tivos for monday on nba tv, starting noon eastern:

-“nba legends: chuck daly”
-“nba hardwood classics” game 4 of the ’89 nba finals
-“motor city madness: the 1989 detroit pistons
-”nba hardwood classics" game 5 of the ’90 nba finals
-“pure pistons: 1990 detroit pistons”
-“the pistons reign”

i don’t know what we did to deserve it, but there it is…

Summers had ten fouls and Daye got a tech in their final Summer League game. Bad Boys!

One person’s logjam is another person’s 48 minutes of unadulterated offensive assault.

Don Nelson, you stay away from QD’s keyboard!

MP: That was good.

But, I do think there’s a difference in that half of our offensive players are willing and capable passers unlike the Warriors (Rip, Tay, Stuckey, the rookie forwards).

Hopefully, they can get the others to get with the program (Bynum, Gordon and CV, in particular).

I see utah matched on millsap Portland fucked them over on that one , I’d say I feel sorry for them but I’d be lying .

Wow – 20 assists between both teams today. Now that’s what I call sharing the ball.

Herrmann news!

@TDP:
Not to be a grammar nazi, but it is spelled “nnewws”.

@MP

Nnot to be a grrammarr nnazi, but is spelled “nnewws.”

Corrected that for ya.

Just in case you guys were wondering:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=brownkw01&y1=2009&p2=dalemsa01&y2=2009

Looking at that points one post up comparison, i would love to have Dalembert on the team as a 24 mpg starter, with Kwame getting around 20 mpg at center, and 4 mpg to Maxiell/whoever else we sign.
BUT…not for Rip…Rip for a 24 mpg center who is barely better than Kwame? No thanks.

Yyouu gguyys aarre ddickks.

man im wasted but i just gotta say, rip shouldn’t be traded for some asshole just to plug a hole. i mean cmon, he’s been our leading scorer for a couple of years now and we are just going to get rid of him for some 7’0 joker? really? lots of teams would love to have him and i think that if we just get another semi-big power forward we will be okay and we can ride it out until we get a real offer for rip. dalembert for rip? thats absurd even with our glaring hole at center. its not like we are going to win anything this year anyway, lets just give it a try with our rooks and kwame and wait and see what develops instead of just giving away one of our if not best players.

Great intro…..man im wasted…..metoo!

Dalembert sucks, that’s why Phili benched him for much of last season. Apparently he forgot how to play basketball for a few months. Then he regained his starting spot by upgrading his production from “horrible” to “only slightly below average”. Kwame is just as good as that guy.