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Playing Around with ESPN Trade Machine

 And ended up with this gem of a trade

 

Detroit receives


Travis Outlaw SF 1 yr

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Tyson Chandler C 2 yrs

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Joel Przybilla C 2 yrs

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New Orleans Receives


Kwame Brown C 1 yr

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Portland Receives

Tayshaun Prince SF 2 yrs

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Jason Maxiell PF 3 yrs

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DET 2nd rd pick(?)

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For Detroit:

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It definitely solves the Pistons's size problem, and also offers insurance if Tyson gets injured. I really like Joel Przyzbilla. The 'Vanilla Gorilla' he's shown he can be reliable coming off the bench or starting. Travis Outlaw is young (25), a decent defender, and has proven he can be a role player. Here's a comparison of their stats from last season:

Prince: 14.2pts, 5.8reb, 3.1ast, 0.5stl, 0.6blk in 37.3 minutes a game

Outlaw: 12.8pts, 4.1reb, 1.0ast, 0.6stl, 0.7blk in 27.7 minutes a game

Excellent stats from a guy that played in only 28 mins. He also has some pretty gaudy per-36 minute numbers

16.6 pts, 5.3 rebs, 1.3 ast, .8 stl, and .9 blk

Tayshaun and Outlaw are very similar players, they'll never be the main piece on any team, but he'll be a valuable role player on a starting lineup. If Outlaw doesn't work, he only has 1 year left on his contract. In the end, because of Outlaw's age, and very similar stats I say this isn't the downgrade everyone will accuse it of being. I haven't seen much of Outlaw's defensive game, but he has a defensive rating of 109 compared to Tayshaun's 110. I understand little of this stat to be honest, but it's the only number I have to go by. Travis Outlaw has a Offensive/Defensive bias of -1.0 meaning he is more important on the defensive end. Tayshaun Prince has an Offensive/Defensive bias of -.1 meaning he is marginally more important on the defensive end. This could be a result of Chauncey leaving and Tayshaun having to take a larger role. They had a similar usage rate. (Tayshaun 19.2%, Outlaw 22%). Outlaw will be a perfect complementary player to all the scorers on the team. Tayshaun shot a better 3pt % (40%) than Outlaw (38%). But Outlaw attempted more (2.9) than Tayshaun (1.7), in nearly 10 less minutes per game.

 

For New Orleans

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It's gotta be a tough position for New Orleans, they were really close to edging out the Nuggets, they have the next greatest thing since sliced bread in Chris Paul, and they have a team that looks like it can give teams headaches, if not contend for a 'ship. it's given this city something to cheer for. Unfortunately, the Hornets are looking to cut salary, it's a frustrating instance for any fan. How many times have you screamed at your T.V because your team traded a strong propsect for, those ugly words, cash considerations? It's tantrum-inducing. Cash considerations don't score points, they don't rebound, they don't do anything but fatten the owners pocket, so why do we want them? As much as that might frustrate you, imagine how it must be to hear the front office is actively shopping a starting center for basically nothing? Well this trade accomplishes that goal about as well as it could. They receive Kwame Brown and his 4.0 mil expiring contract for Chandler. this shaves 8.2 mil off the Hornet's payroll, successfully putting them under the luxury tax, and actually puts them under the salary cap by a couple thousand or so (If ESPN's info is accurate). Kwame Brown won't give you much. He'll rebound, kinda. He'll defend, kinda. He'll put in effort, kinda. He'll contribute on the offensive end, once in a while. He'll catch balls in traffic, never. The main motivation of this trade is money, and it accomplishes this goal excellently.

 

For Portland 

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Portland has been eyeing Prince for awhile, he brings excellent leadership to a young team, and can carry a team if he needs to. When Rip was injured, it was Tayshaun that began exploding for 30 pts a game. He'll bring strong defense to Portland, and some playoff experience. Tayshaun is a straight up warrior, he's never missed a game since entering the starting lineup in 2003. He'll score, he'll take care of the ball, he'll get teammates involved, he'll rebound, and most of all he'll defend. He'll be a great glue guy for Portland, and I think he's somebody that can put them in contention.

Jason Maxiell is a nice piece to add to the Portland rotation. He's been developing consistently in Detroit since he's got here. He's a tireless worker and puts in the effort everyday to get better. He's developed a bit of a mid range jumper that he'll occasionally put up. He's been working with his back-to-the-basket game, and you can see Sheed's tutelage is getting through. He suffered last season because of Michael Curry's idiotic rotations and lost some confidence in his game, so when he did get minutes, he wasn't as efficient as he was a year ago. For that reason, we'll observe his 07-08 stats because they're a more accurate representation of what he brings to the table (he wasn't injured or anything like that in 08-09, it was all Michael Curry who would give him 30 mins one night and a DNP-CD the next.).

7.9 pts, 5.3 rebs, .6 ast, .3 stl, 1.1 blk 2.2 PF, .9 TO in 21.6 mins

His per-36 minute stats:

13.3 pts, 8.8 rebs, .9 ast, .4 stl, 1.9 blk, 3.7 PF, 1.4 TO per 36 mins

He was very effective coming off the bench for Detroit. What is most valuable about his game however, are the "momentum swingers" he brings to the table. Electrifying dunks, ferocious swats, alley oops and putbacks that nearly bring the rim down. These are underrated parts of the game that can swing a game in the other team's favor.

He's a big body (260lbs) but his height will always limit him (6'7 being generous) Despite being undersized,  Maxiell is actually a very effective defender, I would rate him the best post defender on the team at this point. He is the type of player that may never be a starter, unless he has a particularly gargantuan center across from him, but he'll still be able to hold his own. He's slimmed down alot since he's came into the league, and it's result is a much higher vertical. He's able to get up and swat shots with regularity, and when he does, it's with authority. Making players not want to go into the lane again. He absolutely gave Howard fits in the 2008 finals, Charles Barkely discussed it with the rest of the ESPN crew, Sir Charles talked about how Maxiell used his lower center of gravity to his advantage and pushed Howard around. The Round Mound of Rebound actually compared the way Maxiell did this to what he did years ago.

 

The only reason I can see Portland declining this trade is money issues. They take back an extra 5mil in salary and none of it is expiring. If Portland declines for this reason, instead of trading Maxiell to Portland we can simply swing him to New Orleans. The money still works, but New Orleans doesn't get the same amount of cap space.

 

So that's it, my attempt at being a GM. If this trade happens, I'll put it on my resume accordingly. Thanks for taking the time to read all this. Feedback is greatly appreciated.

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Intead Of Tay....

….Id make it Rip…..I like Tay and hes a much better player then Rip

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 18, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with yu

But with Brandon Roy already established at the 2 spot for many years, Rip would be redundant. The Blazers are notably high on Prince, this isn’t a trade that just came out of the blue. All of these have been proposed before, I’m just streamlining it into one 3 team trade

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 18, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

instead of tay

im with you 100% beenie

by deeeetroit on Jul 19, 2009 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Impressive work here

While I agree Portland would probably only want Tay, I think it’s becoming clear Prince is a guy that Dumars wants on his squad. If the Pistons make a trade at all, it’s probably going to involve Rip. I think I would be satisfied with this trade, though.

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by Packey on Jul 20, 2009 2:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I like the trade for Detroit, Rip is (arguably) the best guy on the team right now, so I figure trading Tay for a center is better. Especially because Rip plays an important leadership role. With his contract, it’ll be really tough to move him anywhere, and his contract will end when he’s 34 which isn’t the end of the world. He’ll still be playing at a very high level, at which point Ben Gordon will most likely gain starting duties and Rip will bring a big spark off the bench. At least it doesn’t extend until he’s 36.

I’m getting mixed reactions from the Portland blog (my post actually got deleted, I have no idea why because the positive/negative feedback was about 50-50). Some seem excited at the prospect of having Tay, while others are hesitant to lose Joel Przybilla because Oden is anything but a sure thing right now. And their frontcourt depth won’t be very big.

Predictably, everyone in New Orleans hates the deal, but I’m confident Hornet’s FO will do this one. They almost traded Tyson Chandler for Ben Wallace which is essentially Tyson Chandler for nothing. At least in this deal they get a player back that won’t be bought out.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 20, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blazers blog deleted your post?

Did they give you any explanation?

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by Packey on Jul 20, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just got their email

They want to cut down an overflow of fanposts so they wanted me to post it on a fanpost designated for trades. Apparently all users are required to do this. I just joined them though so I wouldnt know.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 20, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is what I came up with...

Not as good, but much more realistic…..Hard to see yours happening…I mean..who gives up Chandler for Kwame LOL

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lh9w46

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 20, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hornets would accept Kwame for Chandler

Earlier this offseason, they were considering Tyson for Ben Wallace, they would then buyout Wallace’s contract essentially giving up Chandler for nothing. Earlier this season, they were going to trade Chandler for Wilcox and Joe Smith, those contracts would run out at the end of the season, again trading Chandler for nothing. Kwame will at least play this season, unlike both of the previous trades.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 20, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hornets are trying to dump salary

They would give up Chandler for some spare parts

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 21, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's good

But Portland gets too much and Charlotte gets too little, I don’t think Charlotte would be motivated for that.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade

it can be fixed but it would be fantastic if they could do that trade because they could let boozer leave and sign bosh and have a great team for a long time

by David7 on Jul 22, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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