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Joe Dumars officially announced the signing of big man Chris Wilcox today. Terms of the contract were not disclosed, but those will become available in time. It is believed that Wilcox will earn roughly around $6 million over 2-years.

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To early to tell

But I’m going to jump on the Wilcox-for-starting-job bandwagon now. Although I do acknowledge the advantages of him coming off the bench for offensive purposes, his rebounding will be beneficial to us especially with Villanueva in the lineup.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 23, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilcox, BG & CV

I like these 3 moves for all the right reasons. Flashback several years to when Rip was labeled as just a shooter from the Wizards…or Big Ben was just an Undersized guy trying to play Center. or how bout Rasheed with his inside outside game. No one really cared for those moves then, but look how it all turned out. Sure the Celtics, Orlando, Cavs will be good this yr, but got no younger. Dumars has just gone and practically replaced his winning 5 with 5 guys of the same mold.

Rip = Gordon
Sheed = CV
Big Ben = Wilcox
Prince = Daye

Stop for a moment and really look at the games of the players, stats, similarities in bodies & athleticism. These guys are scary similar and if they get the us against the world mentality, then their upside is endless.

As for Billups, sure Stuckey is here, but if you can get a GREAT floor general, you have plenty of pieces to offer (Rip, Prince, Stuckey…all trade bait).

by Mr International on Jul 24, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I Really....

….Like Wilcox…..Hes only going to be 27 and I think he will suprise a lot of people this year.

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely. Though I don’t see Daye replacing Tayshaun anytime soon. Tayshaun is going to be the team veteran for years to come, I think. With Gordon here, however, I think Rip is gone for sure. Hopefully for a good sized backup big man (I like Wilcox and Villanueva starting) and a decent pass-first point guard. I think Stuckey is expendable and could be used in a trade with Rip too simply because I think Bynum is already better than Stuckey. So we trade Rip and Stuckey for a backup center (read: CENTER. No shorter than 6’11 with a bit of bulk on them. Preferably not a Nestorovic type center) and either a starting point guard or someone who could compete with Bynum for the starting position. Not a bad lineup if you ask me. Not championship worthy, no, but top 4 in the East, I think. At the moment we are in bottom half of the playoffs, probably 6th or 7th seed in my eyes. We have to get rid of Rip, that’s the key.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Wouldnt Get Rid Of Stuckey Yet.....

…..Bynum has no outsdie range and this year he will have to make that shot….he wont sneak up on anyone….Stuckey is a future all star for sire…..Big strong body for a guard….Love his game.

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 24, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno. I think that Stuckey is a decent point guard but not all star quality. I don’t see much improvement coming either. That’s just the feeling I am getting. Not to mention that a starting point guard needs to average more than 5 assists a night. When you have Rip Hamilton running, Sheed (albeit sparingly last season) posting up, and Tayshaun driving and shooting mid to long range, you should average more than 5. And with one of the streakiest shooters in the league on the team now in Gordon, our point guard won’t be the one hitting three pointers. We need a pass first point guard and I think that Bynum is a much better player in that respect than Stuckey.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 24, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta give Stuckey time

Look at Billups, he possibly had the best season of his career last year, it sometimes takes years to develop a good PG skill set. Would you rather have had us take Acie Law? Stuckey will be good, give him time.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does take time. What I saw in Stuckey last season was nothing to be admired though. He seemed lazy most games. I’m not saying he was a bad pick for us, no. No way at all. He was the obvious choice for us and it’s amazing that he dropped to 15th to begin with. But I don’t think he will ever be a great point guard. He’s a shooter, he’s not a passer. And with Gordon being his wingman, you can’t honestly expect Stuckey to be able to shoot all that much. Not to mention his on-floor leadership leaves something to be desired. Unless you have a Kobe or a Lebron out there, your point guard should be the general of the team. I doubt Stuckey has that in him.

Of course, I could be completely wrong and he could become another Billups (Doubtful. Different types of playing). So I suppose we’ll have to see. If it came down to it, though, I don’t think Dumars would hesitate to package Stuckey with Rip if we were getting another point guard and a big man in return.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 25, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wholeheartedly disagree

I didn’t see much laziness out of Stuckey, he became frustrated at times because his jumper wouldn’t go down, and he couldn’t drive because the defender was sagging off. This made his game on and off, his game fluctauted with the ability to knockdown the open jumper. 1-on-1, he can beat anybody off the dribble, but when the defender sags off, it makes driving alot harder, so he resorted to shooting, which was largely unsuccessful (.295 3pt%). Don’t forget, Curry’s offense was utter garbage, and Stuckey suffered as a part of that. WIth such a young PG in place, the coach has to accomodate by guiding him with plays that better his teammates. (Think of what Larry Brown did to Chauncey).

Stuckey is by no means a shooter yet, I think what you meant to say was “scorer” which is true, but it’s not his only dimension. He’s not like Ben Gordon or Monta Ellis or Leandro Barbosa, he can still playmake, but he’s a better scorer. I would compare his PG game to Baron Davis. BDiddy can score, but he’s also an adequate PG who can set his teammates up off the drive and dish.

You bring up BG as his wingman, I think with Gordon as his backcourt partner, Stuckey will flourish. Detroit was one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the league, when Stuckey would drive and help would come over, Stuckey would dish it out to the perimiter, but most of the time, this was unsuccessful. Now with Gordon on the team, teams will always be mindful of him on the perimeter, and teams will be less likely to have the help defense converge on Stuckey. If they do, Gordon will burn them with the 3, if they don’t, Stuckey will have an open/1-on-1 layup. Add Charlie Villanueva to the mix, and you have 3 guys that Stuckey can dish to that can score 3s with regularity.

I think Stuckey is ready to lead this team. I recall a freep article that said Stuckey was planning to lead this team, only time will tell if he’s ready.

You mention Billups and Stuckey have different games. Not so. Billups had the same reputation Stuckey has. He’s only a scorer, he can’t playmake, he’s a 2 guard in a PG body. Well we know how that turned out. PG is the toughest position to learn, and Stuckey was thrust into a position that he was destined to fail in. His coach couldn’t help him, and they had a chemistry killer that would never listen to a 2nd year PG. This year is different, and I think Stuckey will improve by leaps and bounds, especially if he can improve his shooting touch.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 25, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Streakiest shooter in the game?

He’s NEVER averaged less than 40% on 3 pt shots, even in his rookie season. Last year he hit on 45% of his shots. Ben Gordon is a sharpshooter and a prolific scorer. Streaky wouldn’t be something to describe him. Not with a 3pt percentage like that.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He liked to take nights off in Chicago. He is a prolific scorer, there is no doubting that. But he doesn’t show up to every game. And there are patches of time when he won’t shoot the ball at all. Hopefully that’s not the Gordon who will show up for us but that is who Chicago had (again, he has averaged 40%+ for his entire career. He is the most underrated scorer in the league without a doubt. If he were to show up for 40 minutes a game, 82 games a season, he could probably be up there for the scoring title every year. Time will tell though)

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

BG - Streakiest Shooter???

I have to disagree. Being a FORMER Bull fan (love BG) I have to say that he was jerked around daily. They might start him. They might not. They play him 1st quarter then sit him in the 2nd, play him start of 3rd then sit him til the middle of the 4th (expecting him to save the day).

I think He knows his role. He knows the Pistons want him. I think he will be far more productive (or as DWade & Kobe both said) one of the BEST scorers in the league.

OFF Subject….I am truly excited for this team. I agree they are a 5 or 6 seed, depending on who gets added in Miami. I would like to see Rip traded for a Solid player (Point or Center). Big Ben is more the mentor for Wilcox. Stuckey will be better playing alongside BG. And CV31 is waiting to come into his own. This team is 1 player away from Contending. Also they are younger while C’s, Orl, Clev & Wiz are all trying to win now.

by Mr International on Jul 26, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stuckey would have averaged....

….more then 5 ast a game…..He didnt start but the final half the season….I believe her average almost 7 as a starter.

by BennieBladesFan on Jul 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He averaged more than 30 minutes a game. Regardless of if he was a starter or not, he should have had more assists than that per game.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 25, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stats are deceiving

Detroit plays in one of the slowest offenses in the league. Do you know how many assists Billups averaged in the 03-04 championship season? 5.7, yep that’s it. A measely .8 more than Stuck. His career assist average is only 5.6. It’s like Amare Stoudemire, he can block 2 a game, but is he a good defender? No, not at all. On the contrary, he’s actually pretty bad. Stuckey had a pretty good Ast/TO ratio of 2.2. You can do alot worse for a guy who’s only played in 157 games. (Derrick Rose had an Ast/TO of 2.5)

A better indication of Stuckey’s playmaking skils would be AST%. Which is an estimate of the number of FGs assisted by the player. Stuckey’s was 26.1%, compare to Chauncey Billups’s AST% of 28.9%. In short, Stuck was a big part of this offense, and his playmaking skills were fine. Stuckey needs to develop a consistent jumpshot, as of now defenders don’t have to respect his jumper which takes away his drive. He also needs to develop a better left handed drive, he becomes too predictable going to his right at times. Other than that, the “PG Reflex” will come to him with experience. He can already score, albeit a bit inconsistently, if he can develop a better PG mentality, just wait, he’ll be one of the best in the business

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bynum and Gordon

I dont think you will see Bynum and Gordon playing together very much so I think Stuck has to be your main point guard. Bynum and Gordon would be an extremely short backcourt and wouldnt give you many options on the defensive side of the ball. When Gordon is playing I think you will see Stuck guarding the opponents two guard and Ben checking the opponents point.

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by davw83 on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

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