Maybe we should go for an all-guard roster. Bring back AI for the vet min and play him at the 5.

R.I.P. Rip.

If I was Rip, I’d ask for a trade.

I don’t think Rip is automatically gone. I think a more likely scenario is Tay and Williams for a starting 5 with Rip moving to SF.

^agreed sauce.

RIP for Okafor straight up works out numbers wise. The bobcats would still have Nazr and Diop under contract for their 5 spot, so they MIGHT be willing to do the deal. Even though they just drafted Henderson, RIP would easily be their best SG.

Some stats from his season here in Israel:
http://www.safsal.co.il/hplayer.aspx?id=3003

Other than that, i wrote about him a couple of times during the year…
He was a good player. athletic, versatile, the works. The only problem was his ups and downs. one game he scores 20 and gets 12 rebs and the next 0 and 1. this lessened and he became consistent later in the season as you can see here:
http://www.safsal.co.il/hGameLog.aspx?id=3003&s=2009

Thed bottom box there are the playoff where they didn’t pass the first round. his numbers drop and the inconsistency returns but he won’t have such a big part with the pistons so maybe less pressure will equal more balance…

After watching D.Wash in Holon this season, I agree with everything Ohad wrote, and I’ll also add this:
He has an NBA body and NBA potential. He’ll definately turn a few heads, especially on the highlight reel (people WILL be asking “Deron who!?”).
He still however needs to develop a consistent jumper. He also lacks maturity, and as of now his B-Ball IQ isn’t that high. He choked a bit in crunch time and definately wasn’t the leader of his team.
But lets not forget he’s still a kid, and if he realizes his potential he could be a great pickup for Detroit.

I don’t see how this move has anything to do with Rip being traded or not.

This “report” assumes The signing is to take on extra salary for a July 8th trade that the Pistons would need to send back more money in.

Regarding an Okafor trade—didn’t MJ trade away Rip from Washington in ‘01 because he wasn’t fond of him? Am I imagining a mutual dislike? (Come to think of it, Rip is part of Jumpman/Brand Jordan/Cheap-Chinese-Clothes-Pimped-Expensively, so maybe Michael would be interested? LB would surely take him.)

I like this youth movement. I would also hope that if Rip is traded, its at least for a big. Tay would remain as the leader of the team, if all comes to pass perhaps a breakout year for him as a leader.

yeah, i’m done expecting tay to “break out” it seems the more we ask of him the less he manages to deliver.

i don’t like any of this, at all. there better be some big trades on the way, because if anyone can explain to me how ben gordon isn’t a massive downgrade from rip i’d love to hear how.

let’s just load up on shooting guards and stack the team with crappy defenders. Detroit Basketball, baby!

Washington was going to be very exciting to have on the team – if we didn’t already have like ten guards and small forwards.

I don’t get how this makes the team any better to suck up more cap space. It’s official, if he can’t get us a starting center due to not having enough cap space, then he’s becoming Matt Milan.

The rumors have us trying to trade Max and Kwame for Chandler. I guess he could somehow be included in that, but didn’t we already assume he was going to be on the 15 man roster this season? This really is not that surprising, imo.

I could see the Hornets going for a deal like that, since all they seem to care about is dumping Chandler’s salary. He’s a little overrated and overpaid but he would fill a huge need on this team. That trade would make the Pistons a better team IMO and JoD might go for it to keep the team competitive and keep the Palace full.

Iverson sign-and-trade to Chicago involved in the Gordon deal? Not sure yet how this helps the Pistons… From HoopsHype

Ben Gordon to the Pistons is a done deal. The method by which he will get there is still under discussion. CBSSports.com has learned that the Bulls and Pistons may yet revisit Detroit’s agreement with Ben Gordon and instead investigate a sign-and- trade that would send Allen Iverson to Chicago. CBSSports.com

Discussions have not yet reached the highest levels of both organizations, but the revised look at how Gordon goes from Chicago to Detroit would benefit Gordon and the Bulls. Gordon would get an extra year, and thus more money, by signing with the Bulls and getting traded. The Bulls, who currently are getting nothing for losing him, would get Iverson — a fading future Hall of Famer who would get to finish his career in a major market as long as he’s willing to accept a secondary role. CBSSports.com

A person familiar with the situation said the Pistons would flat-out refuse to entertain a sign-and-trade for Gordon unless it provided significant savings. The Bulls, too, may not be eager to do business with Gordon, whose agent did not give the team a chance to match Detroit’s offer. The Bulls also would want to know that Iverson, 34, would be totally committed despite not making the $20 million he’s accustomed to and without playing the primary role he enjoyed for his entire career until he was traded to the Pistons for Chauncey Billups last season. Iverson did not adapt well to diminished minutes with the Pistons, and late in the season vowed to retire before he would come off another team’s bench. CBSSports.com

That Iverson sign-and-trade stuff sounds like crazy talk but I hope it happens if it makes Detroit get more players and/or spend less money.

Back up in your ass with the resurrection. I’m surprised to see the Answer’s name attached to Detroit dealings. I’ve read in addition to Memphis, Miami might want a crack, since they couldn’t contend with LA for Artest, Iverson is the booby prize, to use some antiquated parlance.

I’ve heard Tayshaun takes the team over, but I don’t know about that. Maybe Gordon emerges. Tayshaun will be the last ring holder if Rip’s traded, but as previously mentioned, Tay might just be too low profile to step up like that.

And once again we’ve come full circle to the fact that AI sucks.

Just saw this poor ad placement on SI’s FanNation rumor list. Had to screencap and share:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/370/sheedteeth.jpg

Screencap is handy, MFMP

Off-topic, Trevor Ariza passed on 9 million to leave LA, pass on TOR, and join HOU. Mas Respeto.

I’ve never been down on Tayshaun’s effort or character. I think his leadership abilities have been somewhat restricted by playing with a bunch of Sonny Corleones for most of his career. Sonny has to get whacked before Michael takes over the family. Is being a leader getting a T when things are tough or getting your team together to play swarming D when you need to generate a TO to get back in the game.

I know it doesn’t work this way but if you put Tay’s head on ’Sheed’s shoulders you’d probably have a player that was better than Tim Duncan. Maybe putting Tay’s head in the captain role is the next best thing.

I think it was Shaq who called Dwayne Wade his Michael Corleone, and I agree with parts of your comparison, Triplejoe. Tayshaun is no Dwayne Wade. If you Frankenstein’d Roscoe Wallace and Tayshaun Prince, you’d have a titlemachine. It indeed does not work this way, but www.detroitbadboys.com is nothing if not a place to dream.

FWIW, Rip and Tay were both captains last year. Tay has been a co-captain the last few years, I think.

Matt Watson – Thanks for the correction.

I should have wrote ‘leader’ not ‘captain’. I think over time Tay has always been seen as the little brother of Rip, ‘Sheed, Billups, Big Ben — even as his contributions and maturity has sometimes surpassed all of the above. If he’s the only one left from the original championship team, the institutional memory of ‘playing the right way’ is his alone to pass on and I think that is a good thing. The complimentary nature of Prince’s game might be empowering to new teammate with good habits.

That said, Rip was excellent last year and has done nothing but perform in Detroit. I’m not trying to run him out of town. I’m just not sure how there is room at the inn for all these SGs or why Dumars would want to duplicate the logjam at SG after it was such a disaster last year.

A speculation from the article on NBA.com about Gortat probably moving to Dallas:

The Mavs are shopping Dampier and one possible destination is Detroit, which might be willing to move Rip Hamilton after adding Ben Gordon. Dallas would love to plug Hamilton into the backcourt, and Dampier could be of use in a division that now employs Shaquille O’Neal. Mavs swingman Jerry Stackhouse could also be included in any deal involving Dampier.

Boooooooooo……..

I can see Rip for Josh Howard but add me to the ‘NO’ camp for Dampier. A lot depends on if Avery Johnson is going to be the new coach or not. I trust AJ’s opinion of who is and isn’t good in Dallas a lot more than Laimbeer or JVG.

Garrett:

Rip for Dampier would be a pretty odd move. But I actually don’t hate it. Dampier’s stats are actually decent:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dampier01.html

He’s basically been an average, to slight better than average, center for the last 7 years. And his contract is expiring, so we’d have a solid amount of cap space again next off-season.

Rip’s better, but Dampier fits a need, and we’d have a lot more flexibility down the road.

Doh- yeah, never mind. Damp’s contract has another year on it. In that case, definitely pass.

Boo on a trade for Dampier. If we trade Rip for that clown, I’ll knife somebody.

However, you can go ahead and add Erick Dampier to the long list of centers that are better than Tyson Chandler, and who I’d rather have on this team.

If Dampier and Dalembert are both on the table (and I assume Dalembert still is), I’d opt for the latter.

That’s an $11 million expiring contract and an upgrade at Center.

MP,

I was just thinking that, age aside, Dampier was more productive last year.

Dalembert’s contract is not expiring, and he has a 15 percent trade kicker. No thank you.

Mikki Moore for vet min would be a nice pick-up to bolster the froncourt, could man the annual Elden Campbell-Dale Davis role.

@Kevin S.:
Dalembert’s $12.2 million and Dampier’s $13 million both expire in 2011.

Otherwise, the trade kicker is the only real thing that scares me away for a deal for Dalembert, aside from the fact he’s a colossal douche.

Except Mikki Moore would get Shaq Fu’d all night long.

Dampier for Rip would be a horrible trade for Detroit, so profoundly one-sided. You’d be giving up multiple-all-star talent for marginal productivity. Those are the kinds of trades that buy tickets straight to the lottery. No thanks.

Mike I disagree about Dalembert. He’s totally soft, why do you think Philly wants to get rid of him?

Also how about trading Tay for Josh Smith? Yes he’s got the monster trade kicker, but he has played small forward pretty well before and is a great helpside defender. We need a lot more blocks, that was a key part of the championship year – having two great defensive bigs.

Huh. Don’t know where I got the idea that Dampier was expiring. Yeah, not interested.

According to 82 games Smith has a negative net value as a SF but a pretty good number for PF. He gets a lot more rebounds as a SF, around 5 more 48 and the opposing FG% is much lower. However his FG% is much lower as a SF; you’d think that if anything, it would be higher as he goes up against small players. More than likely, this is due to having too small a sample.

So in theory, with a good defensive center, Smith should be a defensive monster SF.

@Ali:
Mike I disagree about Dalembert. He’s totally soft, why do you think Philly wants to get rid of him?

Remember trading for Ben Wallace in 2000? That was considered one-sided, very few had faith that Wallace would ever turn into what he did. I’m not suggesting that Dalembert is Ben Wallace 2.0, but that a current team’s valuation is certainly not definitive.

I don’t care if Dalembert is “soft”— he’s a tremendous rebounder, a great shot blocker and a good defensive talent. On the negative, he’s turnover prone, fouls a bit much and doesn’t score (like Ben). But next to Villanueva, who can put up 20 a game yet doesn’t rebound/defend well, a guy like Dalembert would be an excellent option at the 5.

He’s not happy in Philly, nor is Philly very thrilled with him. Whatever team he goes to is going to get a fresh start out of him— and based on production alone, I feel that he’s a great option.

I don’t see how any trade that involves Maxiell and Kwame helps the Pistons’ depth up front. Maybe, you get an upgrade in talent, but who’s the backup?

Barring a trade, I would go after Zaza Pachulia. He’s probably the best C for the cap space available. Or one year of McDyess.

But Mike my point is when you have guys like Villanueva or Gordon, you need a hardcore center, not a soft guy that gets pushed around. A guy that’s not afraid to get in the mess for rebounds and swats shots, like The Worm.

If anything Kendrick Perkins has to one of the best defensive centers to get via trade, thing is most of us can’t stand him as a person (myself included).

Our best bet would a healthy Tyson Chandler, if and only if he gives us 35 to 40 minutes a game and plays in at least 78 games.

Between Dalembert and Villanueva, that would be an awful lot of fouls. I see no evidence that Dalembert is “soft”, but he is turnover prone and collects fouls. Right or wrong, coaches won’t put up with that, and so we’ll be left with Kwame or (worse) Oberto starting in the middle.

I thought Oberto was released.

he was

@Ali:
First you say “A guy that’s not afraid to get in the mess for rebounds and swats shots” and then you follow it up with “Our best bet would a healthy Tyson Chandler, if and only if he gives us 35 to 40 minutes a game and plays in at least 78 games.”

I’m a damn broken record on here about staying the hell away from Tyson Chandler, probably to the point of annoying everyone else on this site. Sorry err’body.

But that statement you made is quite contradictory. You want a guy who “won’t get pushed around” but Chandler only weighs 235. You want a guy who can grab rebounds and swat shots, when Chandler is poor at both— and a set of stats in which Dalembert is clearly superior.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=chandty01&y1=2009&p2=dalemsa01&y2=2009

In eight less minutes per game, Dalembert grabbed more rebounds and blocked one more shot per game than Chandler. And on top of everything else, consistent healthy seasons for Chandler are no more— his career will likely play out like Yao Ming. Dalembert has played 82 game straight for 3 seasons in a row, making this comparison a no-brainer.

I’ll admit, Chandler had a pretty crappy season last year. But just 2 years ago he got 12.4 rebounds a game. I’m not trading Rip or Tay for a game that doesn’t get 9 rebounds a game. That’s why I said you only trade for Chandler if you’re sure he’s healthy.

MP,

Not quite. Chandler was hampered by injury last year, but played superior basketball the two years prior. He also played alongside David West, who grabbed a fair share of rebounds.

Dallas is reportedly shopping Dampier. Gortat might be signing with the Mavs.

Kwame and Dampier together at last? Tell me reading that doesn’t feel good…

I should read previous posts once in a while. Fizzuck…

We should trade for Raymond Chandler and play a noir style.

@Kevin S.:
Not quite. Chandler was hampered by injury last year, but played superior basketball the two years prior. He also played alongside David West, who grabbed a fair share of rebounds.

If you’re going to justify the rebound stat by adding David West to the equation, you might as well dock the ppg totals thanks to Chris Paul.

If Chandler played superior basketball the two years prior in even minutes, it was by less than one point and less than one rebound per game— and still not blocking half as many shots as Dalembert. Funny enough, any “superiority” was about as proportionate to the difference in pay, as Chandler earns about $500k more per season.

In the last three years, the stat that tips the scale to Dalembert is the 246/246 regular season games he’s played vs. 197/246 for Chandler. I’ll eat a tasty crow pie if I’m wrong, but I’d bet the farm that Chandler won’t ever play a full season again.

Not the farm!?! Where will I get my milk, they don’t allow livestock in the city

Too bad the Sixers and Hawks gave Dalembert and Smith these stupid ass trade kickers. WTH. I would love to do Rip straight up for Dalembert and Tay straight up for Smith. Now don’t get me wrong, I hate Josh Smith 50% of the time, down here in Atlanta. He’s the opposite of Tay. More athletic but very low basketball IQ. He’s a guy who plays 100% body and 0% brain. That being said, drastic times call for drastic measures and I’d be willing to take a flyer on him if he didn’t have that stupid trade kicker. Imagine a line-up of Stuck, Gordon, Smith, CV, Dalembert. With AA, MFWB, Daye/Washington, Kwame and Max coming off the bench. I do realize that leaves the bench lite on scoring. Championship squad? Maybe not just yet, but damn competitive, I think. Why did these idiots give these guys trade kickers? If it isn’t Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Howard etc, you don’t give trade kickers or no trade clauses, you morons. You don’t give ‘good’ players like Smith and Dalembert trade kickers. WTF. Well I know Atlanta would love to move Smith and I hear on DBB that Phily would love to move Dalembert, but they may be stuck with them because of these damn kickers.

@MFSkylar:
Titties, buddy. Titties.

@E-Double:
If we could pull off those two trades sans trade kickers, you can bet that Dyess wouldn’t hesitate to sign with us. Then you’d have MFWB and Dyess, capable of a combined 35 points if you need ’em to.

@Mike P, so maybe we have to look at Rip for Kaman. That gives Clips a 3 guard rotation of Gordon, Davis, Rip, not too shabby. So we’re looking at Stuck, Gordon, Tay,CV,Kaman, with AA, MFWB, Daye/Washington, Max, Kwame and maybe Dice off the bench. Not championship caliber but I can live with it for now. I just hate that Kaman makes $11-12M. I don’t think him, Dalembert or Chandler are worth the $11,12,13M those guys make to be honest with you.

I hate the thought of moving Rip because I’m a big fan of his game, but if it was for Kaman I’d be on board. Even though we need big men, I can’t justify Rip for Dalembert or Chandler. Rip is an all-star with a ring; Dalembert and Chandler are…….tall.

Also, I can’t go through a Deron Washington thread without mentioning this: I like slam dunk shots. If he plays, I hope he brings more above-the-rim action than Amir (who I always thought had underwhelming athleticism, despite the claims otherwise).

A big resounding NO on Kaman as well as Chandler. Kaman’s played 87 games in the last two years. Next to Yao and Oden, is there a bigger injury risk in the league? Kander is good, but not good enough to magically push Kaman to play more than 60 games/season.

We have had it so, SO lucky in the last six seasons. We’ve never once lost an important player to lasting injuries. I don’t think Pistons fans realize just how rare and lucky that is. I think this luck has gone to our heads, and I wince every time someone brings up Chandler or Kaman here. We don’t know how good we’ve had it— and we’d learn the hard way if we trade for either of those players.

Celts offer Rasheed a contract:

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/07/03/wallace.celtics.ap.ap/index.html

Good point MP. For the record, ‘Sheed would be a PERRRRRRFECT fit for either Orlando or San Antonio. He could start for both and not be asked to do too much. Just be a good role player. He’d have a great chance for a championship and maybe playing a limited role effectively, he could restore his luster. If he doesn any other team he’s an idiot. Screw the money ‘Sheed, I’m sure you’ve made over $100M in your career. But for the Pistons sake, hell, sign with the Hornets. LOL :-)

Throwing out some numbers…

If Gordon is 55mil/5yrs, then if you assume an 8% increase from year to year in salary (that’s pretty standard for NBA contracts). Then, he will start at 9.5mil. If Villanueva is 35mil/5yrs, he will start at 6mil. That’s 15.5mil.

Dumars predicted that the Pistons would have 17-19mil in cap space (This was before the Amir trade which added another 1.7mil). So, 18.7-20.7.

Detroit should have 3.2-5.2mil left over right now to either spend on a free agent or take back in a trade.

I don’t know that I’m sold on the notion that we need to have a 7 footer in the middle, especially at 7-footer prices. We could make a pitch to a guy like Brandon Bass and go small if we have a coach who is willing to speed it up.

Man, I hate the Celtics with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. I really despise them. But if Rasheed goes to Boston I won’t hate the Celtics anymore. Even if I want to keep hating them I just won’t be able to. I love Roscoe too much.

I can keep hating Garnett at least.

Maybe Joe Dumars could hire some new scouts and send them deep to places like Siberia, western China, sub-Saharan Africa, the Amazon rainforest, and so on, in search of all the seven-footers the world has to offer who have never heard of basketball before. Bring them to Detroit, put sneakers on them, and pick the one you like best. The Pistons now have a starting center.

(Actually, the joking scenario I’ve described above is not dissimilar from how the Red Wings actually found Lidstrom. At the time there was almost no one in the NHL really scouting Sweden. Though Lidstrom did know how to play hockey when the Wings discovered him.)

Bill Higgins, that also describes how they probably found Cheick Samb.

I hated Sheed when he played for the Pistons, I can’t imagine how I’ll feel about him as a Celtic.

That being said, I think Garnett will keep him in line and he’ll be the Sheed I always wanted in Detroit.

RE: Deron Washington

If he turns out to be a vastly improved player, then the Pistons should just send all of their players to Israel. Especially, considering how well Will Bynum turned out.

Garnett is going to keep ‘Sheed in line? Garnett is every bit the hothead that ’Sheed is only without the reputation. The Celtics led the league in techs last year without ’Sheed. Anyway, ’Sheed could be suspended for 40 games during the regular season and as long as he takes Brian Scalabrine’s minutes in the playoffs the Celtics will be much better.

I’m hoping ’Sheed goes to Orlando or San Antonio. Boston would be a bit much to stomach.

Garnett is such a jerk. When his team is up by 20, he loves to scream obscenities at rookies and bash his head against the basket support. When it’s the fourth quarter in a tight game, he quietly sets screens. I really don’t like that guy.

Rasheed is still the biggest badass in the NBA. He’s got the blistering wit and the awesome white patch of hair. He had the classic MTV Cribs performance wherein it was revealed that he’d had a urinal installed in the bathroom at his house in Portland. One time he did an entire practice with the Trailblazers wearing Timberland boots. God, what a monster.

how about joel Pryzbila? He’s a monster rebounder and Portland has already invested in Greg Oden. Or how about making a move for Kevin Love? Min already has Al Jefferson but still no SG, Rip could fill that role and provide veteran experience.

Statistically, Dalembert seems to be the best available option. However there’s just too much talk of him being soft for me to be comfortable with a front line of him and CV

@Ali:
I’d love to see Przybilla on this squad. I’ve been clamoring for the dude since the season ended, as he appears to fill every need we have at the 5 spot. I’d love to trade for him and extend him cheap and then do the same for Brown. Rotating those two at the 5 spot would be solid.

Then we agree on Przybilla.

After spending time looking at Dalembert’s hollinger numbers and his stats on 82games, I think he’s a much better player than I ever would have thought.

But still, Przybilla had even better numbers so he’s my man right now.

Third for getting the Vanilla Gorilla. I can’t see Portland looking to move him while he’s the best center on their roster but if they want to force Oden in we should make an offer. The only reason I would look at Chandler over Pryzbilla is because we already know Chandler is on the market. It Portland wants to move Pryzbilla I would take him over Chandler in a heart beat. Pryzbilla is Chandler with a reasonable contract and without the injuries.

Another thing to consider is who’s the smartest player? One thing that made Sheed so good defensively is that he had the best understanding of the game, and that’s one of the reasons why he’s still productive and Ben isn’t.

Shit, I’m having a hard time with the trade machine finding both A) A trade that works and B) A trade Portland would go for. They have Brandon Roy so no need for Rip. They’re about to sign Turkoglu so they don’t need Tayshaun either. I can’t see them giving up Pryzbilla for Kwame and some throw in. I don’t see how we can get Pryzbilla unless Portland wants to get rid of his salary.

Let’s get a “JP for JD” campaign started! If we can convince Joe to grab Joel, he def solidifies the middle and doesnt require touches to be effective.

“When it’s the fourth quarter in a tight game, he quietly sets screens.”

And by quietly setting screens, you mean hip checking defenders, grabbing their jerseys, and shoving them on their way by while the referee pretends to pick up a penny he dropped.

There’s no way the Pistons could get him but Kevin Love would be perfect. He can grab a rebound in traffic and throw a perfect outlet pass to set up the break. Much better pro than I ever would have expected.

To be fair QD, it’s awfully hard to see if Garnett is setting illegal screens when you have a mouth full of his wang. Those refs have a hard job!

True, QD! In close fourth quarters, Garnett still does little cheap things. But he is as quiet and docile as a lamb. Oh, and no shooting the ball either! Don’t want to have to shoot when it matters, or be noticed in any way by anyone. That’s only for when his team is winning by 20 or 30.

Okay I’m just being mean there. But the way Boston is allowed to run their offense on moving picks pisses me off.

I guess that’s the benefit for staring in meatspin

Question for DBBers— I didn’t watch the Boston/Chicago series. Generally, I don’t watch many playoff games other than Pistons games. I wanted to watch more this season, but I didn’t (although I do have the entire Golden State / Dallas series on my computer from a few years ago).

Question: who did Ben Gordon guard in that series? Allen scored 51 points against Chicago, Rondo was equally huge. Who was BG responsible for? If it’s a split, how did that split go?

I watched a lot of the series, but I didn’t think to pay much attention to who was guarding whom at the time. I believe that Kirk was guarding Allen on the game that he blew up for 51. However you should have seen it, Ray just couldn’t miss. He was on pace for 60 by the third quarter. Ray even drained a clutch 3 right over Joakim Noah.

But on the flip side, Ray was also awful some games. He’s a streaky shooter, despite what everyone says. That’s like saying its bad defense when Eddie House goes 7 for 8 from downtown, but great defense when he goes 0 for 5 the next day.

I do believe that Gordon did take some turns guarding Allen and Rondo, but I can’t tell you who got the better end of the deal.

More than likely, in close game situations when Detroit is up, we’ll see AA on floor over Gordon. Even Curry was smart enough to do this with AI.

Looking back at the highlights, in Game 2 (when BG couldn’t miss) it was Gordon vs Allen straight up. It looked like bad rotation off screens on both sides to me. So that has just as much to do with Chicago’s bigs as it does with Gordon’s poor defense. You could see that he was at least trying, unlike the Suns or the Clippers.

Also looking back at the highlights, as far I can could see, Captain Kirk did in fact guard Allen. By that time Gordon’s bad hamstring had made him essentially useless on the defensive end against both Rondo and Allen.

This Garnett video never gets old:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbB731KpKuw

Przybilla’s performance has been erratic, and he has suffered through a slew of injuries. I like him the least of the guys mentioned here. He certainly wouldn’t be worth trading Tayshaun.

erratic? The guy gets something like 14 rebounds per 40

Przybilla’s performance has been erratic, and he has suffered through a slew of injuries.

He’s been healthy the last two seasons. That’s better than anyone else that has been mentioned here.

The only thing “erratic” about Przybilla is his minutes— his averages are more than solid, they’re great.

Also, I don’t know who mentioned trading Tayshaun for Przy.

hey, Turk goes to Toronto, so Prince could be very useful for Blazers since they are in a search for expierenced leader

Like I posted above, the Pistons will have 3.2-5.2mil left in cap space.

My first choice would be to trade Rip for Boozer and CJ Miles. Milsap hasn’t signed an offer sheet yet, but if it’s reasonable, Utah might be willing to match and bring in Rip. We’ll see once Milsap signs an offer sheet. This would make the Pistons a very young team with loads of talent.

Barring a good trade, the Pistons could use the 3.2-5.2mil on a big man.

Here, my first choice would be Chris Anderson. Not a true Center but a great shotblocker and rebounder. My guess is that he’ll stay in Denver unless the Pistons can outbid them.

Second choice right now is Zaza Pachulia. Decent backup C that can work in an uptempo system.

I like Brandon Bass too but don’t see where he fills a need as he’s not a great rebounder. Big Baby has similar concerns. Chris Wilcox is another one to consider.

Rip + cap space for Boozer + CJ Miles is far and away the best reasonable deal I’ve seen mentioned for the Pistons this offseason. The talent in that deal favors Detroit but Utah might go for it because they have big problems signing Milsap now that both Boozer and Okur exercised their player option.

How do you intend to give Utah cap space? After July 1s, Boozer officially became an expiring contract. And unless you reach some amazing buyout agreement, you still have the player’s salary listed on your cap (into the luxury tax) when you release people.

Utah would never do it. Plain and simple. We know they’re willing to go into the luxury tax for Milsap. Rip only puts them above the luxury tax for like the next 3 years (expect Okur to resign); not a chance they’d except.

The only way you get Boozer right now is if you trade young, cheap pieces or draft picks and take back salary. Utah wants to do a major unload, not get a guy with a $11 deal until 2012.

I have been mentioning Zaza Pachulia for a while now, well at least since I have seen the obsession with Gortat around the league. He is a legit center who could take up space in the middle or drain the occasional 15 footer. He isn’t an overwhelming rebounder or shot blocker but he can get the job done. Plus, he has a fiery side which was evident when he got in Garnetts face in the playoffs a couple years back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6JNQHZSkfE&feature=related

However KG did come back with that hard screen in game 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T99aL8j4yyc&feature=related

I’d rather take Przybilla over Pachulia, but another good option nonetheless.

The advantage of trading for Przybilla is that you can also clear cap space. Portland wants a veteran small forward; we can oblige by sending over Tay. They’ve got the cap space to take on additional salary.

If my calculations are right, then we’d have around $7 to $8 million in cap space. That’s more than enough to sign Marvin Williams to good deal.

Marvin Williams is another great defender/shot blocker. So now you’ve got a premier rebounder and a lock down defender/shot blocker in exchange for a guy that’s already peaked.

I think you are all forgetting that Chris Kaman would most likely be the center we trade for especially cause Tyson Chandler is only a year younger than him and has had 2 more years of punishment on his body.

Sit all the other Pistons, I want to see D. Wash play!!!

Or you could sign Gortat with that money. You wouldn’t have a legit starting small forward, but I think Deron Washington could hold the fort down defensively while Jerebko and Summers provide scoring until Daye bulks up.

Just think about it, a front line of Gortat, Przybilla, Brown, Villanueva and Maxiell.

Ali, I’m in Atlanta and let me correct you on something. Marvin Williams is a promising young player. I think he’s turn out to be pretty good before its all said and done. But he is not great at anything and he’s not a lock down defender by far. Not a defensive liability, but no where near a lock down defender. We tend to have the habit of calling our own players trash or under valueing them and calling other possibly available players the greatest thing since Jordan when sometimes all they are, are nice players. Please don’t use the word great when describing Marvin Williams or any parts of his game. Please. He’s a promising young player, who is multi-skilled. Let’s leave it there brother.

Interesting, I’ve never seen him play because of his injury in the playoffs, but everything I had heard about him pointed to him being a great defender.

Regardless, how you could get either Gortat or Brandon Bass along with Przybilla for Tayshaun. That’s a very solid front line, not quite McDyess, and both Wallaces, but a solid start.

Also Matt Barnes would be another solid option.

Another thing to consider is Rudy Fernandez was upset by Portland’s push for the Turk. There wouldn’t be much room in the rotation for him as a guard, but a swap of him for one of our small forwards could prove to be worthwhile.

How about Sammy D and Iggy for Rip and Tay?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ntmvky

You know a year or two back and you’d get dry-gulched for a suggestion like that. Nowadays though it seems like errbody wants Rip & Tay out. I don’t know homes, that’s the last of our Champions right thurr.

I don’t necessarily want them out, but most of us agree that a trade is needed to balance our roster out. I figured Rip for Dalembert was a little uneven, so swapping 3s in Iggy and Prince evened it out. Prince seems to have barely improved the past 4 years, and each year he puts up a 15 PER and gets older his trade value is only going down.

We get younger through this trade, also, getting back a 25 and a 28 for a 31 and 29.

I wouldn’t MIND the trade so much just because we would be getting Iggy, but Dalembert is terribly overpaid. But at least he would be our defensive center and we would be getting younger at the 3 spot.

I think claiming that the Vanilla Gorilla’s numbers are great is a bit of an exaggeration…5.5 points/8.7 rebounds per game in 23 minutes is a solid middle of the road defensive minded center. He gets his points efficiently shooting 63% from the field laste year, but he’ll also be 30 before the season starts. He’s a mediocre free throw shooter and above average shot blocker.

Sure with more minutes his numbers would likely go up but his efficiency would likely come down a bit too. Don’t get me wrong, I would definitely take Przybilla and he’d give us the size we need inside to compete against the likes of Shaq, but let’s not get carried away…

I agree Skylar, I don’t want to oust Rip just yet. Especially not when Ben Gordon would be our starter. That’s just asking for 130-110 losses.

I personally would rather get rid of Tayshaun first. We need a small forward with some size, and defensively Washington could likely get the job done. Dajaun Summers would be another option for guarding LeBron. Thus trading Tay for a center would benefit the team far mroe than trading Rip.

I don’t think the sixers will be able to trade Dalembert. I just read where he’s got a 15% trade kicker. That just made him way, way too expensive for the production we’ll be getting.

And, except for the Kobe’s and Bron’s of the world, WTF is up with the trade kickers for medicore players? Philly can keep him.

Agreed, especially Josh Smith’s $7 million kicker? Josh Smiff ain’t that good; he must have some amazing agent.

Deron Washington’s dunks are impressive, but they are against college competition!

Trading Rip is a possibility, but I don’t like the idea of getting rid of Tayshaun. He is the one guy who is irreplaceable when he is on the bench.

Are trade kickers set in stone? I mean if a player is happy for the trade to take place can he choose to veto the kicker if it’s preventing the trade from happening?

@push: I don’t think so. If it were true, it might as well be the “veto trade” written into the contract. Like the one Kobe has/had.