Trade Rumor: Rip Hamilton for Carlos Boozer

by N4S on Jul 6, 2009 2:07 PM EDT

Joe Dumars did this once before. He added virtually every vital piece of Detroit’s championship team bit-by-bit through trades and the Draft. In 2000, he acquired Ben Wallace via trade. In ‘02, he added Tayshaun Prince through the Draft and Rip Hamilton by dealing Jerry Stackhouse. In ‘04, Joe D picked up Rasheed Wallace in a trade.

The biggest difference between building that championship-caliber squad and his task this offseason, is that he’s attempting to do all of this in one year.

He laid about $90 million on the line last week, signing both Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. Now, he’s contemplating a move that could provide some cap relief down the line.

Talks continue between the Pistons and Jazz about a Carlos Boozer-Rip Hamilton trade. Hamilton didn’t fit with Allen Iverson this season, and he won’t fit with newly acquired Ben Gordon.

http://dimemag.com/2009/07/nba-trade-rumor-rip-hamilton-for-carlos-boozer/

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I Like this better than the Prince rumors..

But I still think we can do better than boozer.

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 6, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

What? Rip doesn't fit? where does Boozer fit?

What on Earth are you talking about? Gordon has struggled in the Starting Lineup his whole career so im sure he wouldn’t be opposed to coming off the bench be hind Rip which means they will fit together. You want Boozer to play PF while Villanueva plays C? that doesn’t work man both are PFs so how does Boozer fit? please explain. if you are going to make any trades try and get a starter for a couple reserves not a straight up starter for starter switch either that or you try to get expiring contracts for both Rip and Tay so that you will have a bunch of Cap again next year

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Okur is a very similar player to Villanueva

And Boozer has played alongside him for years, Boozer at the center could work well, Utah doesn’t have any elite perimeter defenders (Kirilenko isn’t any better than Prince) yet they are still a pretty good team defensively.

And what’s this about a starter for reserves? Really? We have an overload at the guard position and need at the Center position, anyone with half a brain would come to the conclusion that you trade one of those guards for a center.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions

yes but go to the Stats

Rip is the best Guard on the team he is better then Stuckey he is better the Gordon so why would you want to downgrade the SG position just to get younger? or to get a aging undersized big? Dumb i tell you dumb

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Youth will always be valued over credentials

Look at Brandan Wright, the Warriors traded J-Rich, an excellent 20-a-night scorer, for an unproved rookie. Look at the Supersonics, they traded Ray Allen, a proven scorer, for Jeff Green, anohter unproven rookie. Look at Vince Carter, Magic traded young talent for a better player. it happens alot. Teams move old pieces to get youth. I can’t believe you’d ask that question because the answer is a resounding “Duh!” The PIstons have passed the point where they need a few tweaks to become a contender, they needed a good overhaul. It would be prudent to move Rip before he ages past his usefullness. Rip has never possessed an amazing 3 pt jumpshot, so it’s may not last long like Reggie Miller did. When Rip Hamilton can’t run around the court for 38 minutes like he’s accustomed to doing, he won’t be nearly as useful as he is now. It’d be better to trade him now for a young big man to develop with Stuckey, Gordon, and Villanueva for a young core that Detroit can build around and tweak until it’s ready to be a contender, rather than keep a 31 year old that may progress beyond usefullness soon.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Umm look what happened

The Cinderella Story that was the Warriors fell apart,the Sonics changed there name and became the laughing stock of the league while the guy they traded went out a won a Championship, same thing with KG and Minnesota. Don’t discount Chemistry it is huge on the basketball court if last year Joey D would have traded Rip Chauncey would have gotten the message that the NBA is about winning not messing around with your buddies after the game. If we don’t have Rip on this team for the first year we are done, Rip is going to lead the guys that were already here and he is a Veteran so he will command respect from the new guys Rip is your Leader stop talking about how Boozer is going to make us better it won’t it will be the end of an era

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Not Exactly

Golden State managment pulled a bunch of dumb moves after that, they let Baron, the face of their franchise slip away. And they made alot of frivilous trades. Minnesota was going nowhere with KG, so they traded for Al Jefferson (a future cornerstone), and a boatload of picks. They set themselves up to be a good young team. And OKC has the best core of young players in the NBA, give it a few years and I guarantee they take the league by storm (or should I say Thunder?)

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Rip is not better than Gordon by the stats...

We already had this discussion.

http://www.motownstringmusic.com/2009/7/1/934609/the-rip-vs-gordon-debate-ended

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Thats not to say I am ecstatic about this deal..

I think we can get more for Rip than boozer…he is an injury problem.

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions

True

If Boozer was on a long term contract, I would hesitate, but Boozer has 1 year left on his contract, this allows alot of flexibility with what we want to do with our team. Say Boozer has a perfect year, he plays about 77 games, puts up 22 and 12 while performing solid defense, and all his teammates love him. At the end of the year, we can offer him a good contract. But, say he’s injured half the year, and the while he was playing he wasn’t much of an impact. He was lazy and underperformed. Well then we have alot of options. We can let Boozer walk, and use the resulting 10 mllion in cap acquired from Boozer’s and Kwame’s expiring deals, or we can free up even more and trade Tayshaun for an expiring deal, resulting in around the same amount of cap that we had this year. That’s one max contract ot offer a superstar, or two contracts to offer 2 guys that can provide a huge impact (like Gordon and Villanueva). Bosh has been a name to pop up, as well as Amare. There’s going to be alot of cornerstones to build around in the 2010 FA class, and it would be valuable to go in there with plenty of cap room.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 7, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Hey Detpistons3

What ever Joe has to do to get Bosh, lets do it…you have convinced me!

I am onboard..

2010 Line up:

Stuckey
Gordon
Daye?
CVill
Bosh

That is a team that I can deal with

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions

There's alot of possibilities at the SF as well

Trades can be done, and Bosh may take less to be with a contender (one reason he wants to leave Toronto) and we can use the extra cash to sign a good defensive SF about the same caliber as Mikhael Pietrus. And who knows? Maybe we like Daye well enough to insert him into the starting lineup like we did with Tayshaun Prince in the playoffs against Orlando.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions

And...22 and 12..

Wow…if he does that, don’t tell me we cant bang with the other teams in the East….tell me these stats aren’t realistic!

Stuckey- 16pts/6assts
Gordon-21pts/3assts
Prince-17Pts/5Rbs
Boozer-22pts/12Rbs
Vill-18pts/10Rbs

Thats pretty formidable

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

I like the high expectations :D

The only one that’s far-fetched is Tayshaun Prince, he’s been consistent for about 14 points a game, he’ll blow up occasionally and score 30 (he did it earlier this season) but eventually levels off to 14. It’s likely Tay will be the 5th option in the lineup (something any team would love).

Boozer’s stats may seem outrageous, but consider last year, he averaged 21 pts, and 10 rebounds and the year before that he put up 21 and 12. He can be a great player, I don’t know why everyone here is calling for his head.

Villanueva pulling down 10 rebs is a bit much, When you look at Villanueva’s stats on a per 36 minute basis, he averages 20 pts and 8 rebs which is exciting. I think CV31 will be another one of Joe Ds FA gems, like Chauncey was years ago.

We’ll see if Stuckey develops a consistent jumpshot, if he does he’ll be scary. He’ll develop into a threat to score 30 a night, similar to Gordon. Him and Gordon will form one of the most dangerous offensive backcourts if Stuck can hit from deep. As of now defenses don’t have to respect his jumper, and they can sag off a bit taking away the drive and stripping Stuckey of his go-to move. He still managed to put up 13.5 pts however, and dished out 5 assists, so those numbers look reasonable.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 7, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I think 36 real time minutes in Detroit

will equal out to better numbers than the formulated 36 mins…just my opinion

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Good point

Depends on the offense we run and how important CV is in that offense. It also depends on the center next to CV. If it’s Kwame, CV is going to gobble up alot more boards, if it’s Chandler, CV won’t get as much.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 8, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions

what?

Rip: FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
.454 .349 .853 3.3 3.4 .8 .1 2.10 2.70 17.9

Gordon: FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
.437 .415 .859 3.0 3.0 .8 .1 2.42 2.70 18.5

NBA.com Career Stats. Who the heck is Rip not better? the are the same offensively and we both know Rip is a much better on the ball defender. Please look at the stats they are basicilly the same now add Defense to Rip as well as 4 inches Rip is better

by JMW62689 on Jul 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Can't do career stats man..

Now is Now, and Rip isn’t what he was…2008-2009 Stats….

Gordon Hamilton

45.5% FG > 44.7% FG
41.0% 3PT > 36.8% 3PT
86.4% FT > 84.8% FT
3.5 RB > 3.1 RB Note…Hamilton is much taller
3.4 AST < 4.4 AST
2.4 TO’s < 2.0 TO’s
0.9 STLs > 0.6 STLs
20.7 PPG > 18.3 PPG

a slightly better assist to turnover ratio doesn’t make up for the missed games, age, and point production, not to mention Gordon is more efficent in every shooting %….everyone…and thats what SG’s do…

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

oh my gosh

Consistency is the point, not one years totals what if Gordon had a breakout year and can’t repeat it? what if Rip played on a very Team oriented team and therefore didn’t need to score a ton of points on a nightly basis? what if Rip was pushed out of the Starting Lineup by a no good ball hogging jackrabbit? there are so many varibles in one year, you can’t just throw out last years stats and compare players by that you need to look at their consistent stats. Go look at Boozer and Millsap very similar atats this year but we both know Boozer is a better player then Millsap. i do not believe that Rips slight decrease in stats means he is on the decline i think it was the fact that AI came here and took away from him

by JMW62689 on Jul 7, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

True

And I agree, it’s biased to look at 1 years worth of stats when so much can go wrong. But, Rip is going to reach his decline soon, I think he can still play at a high level for a year or 2 but after that now what? We’re left with an aged Rip and a big hole at SG, it would be better to move him now before he gets to that point than milk all the points out of him than be left with an overpaid washed up former all star (this happens to alot of teams, look at the Jazz with Kirilenko, and to the Hornets with Stojakovic.)

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 8, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Wait scratch that "big hole at SG part"

Meant to say big hole at C

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 8, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Consider Rip is 5 years older

And they put up about the same stats, that’s mightily impressive. Rip was never known for D when he arrived in Detroit, come to think of it neither was Chauncey. They both grew into defensive weapons AFTER they came to Detroit, not before. The same can happen to Gordon and Villanueva. It’s not like Villy has a slight frame, he’s a solid 6’11 240 lbs, heavy enough to bang with most PFs in the league. He can be developed into a solid defensive player with the right coaching

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Amen

We would be better in 2009-2010 with a healthy Los, over a healthy Rip

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Ben Gordon will never gaurd a SF

Rip will, that is a big thing. Can Gordon play good Defense here? yes i believe he will buy into the Defensive mindset but he will still have trouble guarding a lot of SGs let alone SFs just because of his size. all i am saying is Rip is a guy you want to keep this year and next year if you want to let him go then so be it

by JMW62689 on Jul 7, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Ben Gordon will never be a defender

He is a scorer – period. Horrible ball-handler. Horrible defender. If Avery Johnson had become the coach he would have gone crazy trying to teach BG defense just as Skiles did. BG will have unbelievable games where he drains 3 from all over the court and scores 40 and he will have 4x more games where he goes 3 for 13, turns the ball over against no pressure and is a non-factor. The Bulls had no intention of signing him so Detroit basically bid against themselves. He’s a great weapon as a 6th man and 4th qtr. guy if he’s hot, but that’s it.

by Duck99 on Jul 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Chicago was dumb for not resigning him

He basically beat Boston by himself, and you don’t resign this guy? Pssh your loss.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I like Rip, but factor it all in...

I would rather have Gordon for the next 5 years than Rip…We wont be winning it all this year, so why not get an explosive scorer and a young capable bigman, several good rooks and 2nd year players, next season do a sign and trade with prince, a pick, and others for bosh…Chris’ defence will go a long way to cover gordons shortfalls..so we go 42-40 and wash out in the first round this year…we are setting up for bigger things…Again, love Rip, but we are not championship material…out with the old, in with the new.

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

it would be best to bring Gordon off the bench

and have Rip start scoring from both players and they won’t get in the way of each other either. you could also play small ball with Stuckey at PG,Gordon at SG and Rip at SF so why do you want to trade a guy that is able to give you a bunch of lineup options? if anyone should go it should be Prince he is not showing up Defensively and we can find better scoring options i personally believe no starter should be traded

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions

Oh and why Boozer?

why not trade Rip to Denver for Nene or to New Orleans for Tyson Chandler? why not just sign Chris Wilcox? or heck even Ben Wallace for a million bucks once he gets bought out? Boozer isn’t the only option and he sure isn’t the going to get us a Championship so please tell me why

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions

Both Nene and Chandler

Have a history of injury concerns. Chandler is scary to me, that ankle actually rescinded a trade, when was the last time that happened? But I agree we shouldn’t zero in on Boozer because we weren’t able to net him in Free Agency, one option I like is trading Prince for Pryzbilla, then with the cap we gain for trading Prince’s contract for the “Vanilla Gorilla’s”, we sign a guy like Marvin Williams or Lamar Odom, that way, we get the C we need and Gordon still comes off the bench.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions

oh and Boozer sitting out Half of last season

that injury is not a concern? give me a break. Yes i know but its the NBA everyone on the block is on there for a reason or else you are going to have to give up way to much for them

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Did you not read the post?`

But I agree we shouldn’t zero in on Boozer because we weren’t able to net him in Free Agency, I guess you ignored that part. I am not saying Boozer is the answer. I liked the option of signing him (until I learned the price to obtain him) because we didn’t have to give anybody in return. But Tyson has his share of injury concerns, as well as Nene (cancer anyone?). Chandler only played in 45 games last season! This season marked the first season Nene played in 70 games in 5 years. Last year Boozer played in 81 games, and the year before he played in 74, he was injured this season, but I think he can bounce back, if he doesn’t, remember he’s only under contract for 1 year, so if he doesn’t play the way we expect him to, we let him walk and we’re left with 13 million in cap room which would translate to around 8-9 million to spend on FAs (not sure the exact number), Remember when you said this?

try to get expiring contracts for both Rip and Tay so that you will have a bunch of Cap again next year

Boozer is an expiring contract, AND he’s a great player, so if Boozer really is the way to go, he doesnt’ come with much risk.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions

If you read the article, the writer makes the same point I just made

The money is also a factor. Carlos Boozer’s deal expires after this season. If Detroit wants to play in the open market of 2010, they’d be smart to move Rip for an expiring contract. Plus, they can test out Boozer for an entire year to see if he works well in their system before going after him with a monster offer. I’m sure the Sixers would have loved to try out this whole Elton Brand experience before actually putting the ink on the page. If it doesn’t work, they’ll have more resources to throw a big deal at Chris Bosh.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Whats the Point?

i would rather trade Rip and Tay get some expiring contracts and give Daye,Summers and Washington a ton of playing time then have us try and win and expire every one of our starters then next year we will have about 20 Million in Cap again (Might be wrong i though it was close to that though if you get rid of Tay and Rip) this allows us to maybe pull in maybe 2 FAs (Harris,Stuckey,Summers/Daye/Washington,Villanueva,Stoudemire with Gordon coming off the bench looks pretty good) then we look like a good team again young too

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

You said it again!

Trade Rip and Tay for expiring contracts. Boozer is an expiring contract!!!

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions

What would be optimal

and I agree with your thoughts, if we can clear cap space again, we can create a very formidable team. Trade Rip for Boozer, a 1 year rental, and see how he turns out. If Kander works the magic again, and Boozer is injury free, sign him to a good contract. If not, deal Tayshaun for another expiring contract (possibly Amare?), and use the resulting 20 million in cap space to finish the rebuilding process.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Jul 6, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions

O Come on

No love for Jonas Jerbeko? I believe Rivals.com said out of the three draft picks he’s the most NBA ready.

by MichiganBillsFan84 on Jul 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

One thing about trading Rip or Tayshaun

Everyone is selling no one is buying i will give Joe credit for doing that you can get a lot of good deals right now because of the 2010 market but Rip and Tay are going to have to go to a team that wants a Championship now and belives they can build a Dynasty with the guys they already have so its going to be extremely hard. the only trade i can see is where the team has a young player with a big long term deal and they feel he is not living up to potential (Maybe Okafor) so we will probably have to take a somewhat bust that still has potential in order to dump Rip or Tay

by JMW62689 on Jul 6, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions

I think Rip is the real issue here

Rip won’t give up minutes to Gordon, they just can’t play together. If they keep Rip he’s gonna mope and mess up any chemistry they trying to build and it will be another lost season. So if we can trade him and get a guy who can score and play some defense why not. Not that I’m saying Boozer is a better player that Rip it just seem that at this point in his career Rip on the Pistons would be bad for the team as a whole.

by MichiganBillsFan84 on Jul 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions