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Stuckey: No More Crawl-Ball

Once upon a time, playing at a snail's crawl made sense for the Pistons, what with an extremely efficient point guard and multiple deep threats squeezing the most out of every possession.

But in the post-Chauncey era, it's clear that Detroit's glacier slow pace (29th out of 30 this year) hasn't done the team any favors -- and in fact, has highlighted the team's most glaring weaknesses. 

With that in mind, the Pistons are finally ready to try something new. From Pistons.com:

"Tomorrow’s game is going to be a lot different from my perspective," Stuckey said after Sunday’s practice, in which he was the last player to leave the court. "Because they’re going to have to start running with me. I’m going to start pushing the ball up the court and if they’re not going to be running with me, then, hey, we’re going to have to find something else. It’s going to be a lot different tomorrow." 

The philosophical shift, Stuckey said, sprang from Saturday’s postgame locker-room exchange of ideas and venting of frustrations when the Pistons lost to Philadelphia after scoring 10 points in the first quarter and falling 26 behind at halftime. 

"We’ve got to change the pace a little bit, so I’ve got to push the ball up the court and we’ve got to get out and run a little bit and get some easy baskets. We had a meeting (Saturday), so (coaches) know. That’s when I’m at my best, when I can get out on the court and create. We’ll see what happens tomorrow." 

I like the shift in mentality, but I'm not holding my breath for immediate dividends in the form of a slump-busting win: Stuckey has combined to play just 40 minutes in the last two games combined due to a knee injury, Bynum is still sidelined with two sprained ankles and Ben Gordon is nursing a thigh injury. In other words, it's kind of hard to break out the run-and-gun when all your guards are rolling on busted wheels.

The one thing the Pistons have going for them is the fact that the Bulls, more often than not, have been simply awful in terms of putting points on the board, ranking above only the lowly Nets in terms of offensive efficiency (99.6 ORtg). I think Stuckey tends to look for an extra gear going up against more heralded "point guards of the future" like Derrick Rose (the numbers somewhat bear this theory out) but it'll take more than a fine individual effort for this losing streak to come to an end.

What say you? Will a change in pace help, hurt or not make a difference whatsoever?

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“I’m going back to putting my head down and driving into the teeth of the defense every play.”

Like someone else said:

Sounds to me like we are going to see Rodney go back into “its all me” mode and drive the paint every time even with 4 defenders manning it. Its also pretty sweet he pretty much said he’s going to do what he wants and don’t care if his teammates are on the same page. Precisely the wrong thing you want to hear from your PG.

I find this more disheartening than anything. I also don’t think it’s going to have any effect.

by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 4:28 AM EST reply actions  

blockquoted paragraph "Because they’re going to have to start running with me. I’m going to start pushing the ball up the court and if they’re not going to be running with me, then, hey, we’re going to have to find something else

i think we will find out what the definition of “something else” is tomorrow night.

by dandresden on Jan 11, 2010 4:44 AM EST reply actions  

Stuckey

Finally Stuckey is taking the team from the old guys. By saying he’s tired of the slow pace of the old regime and that he’s going to be running with or without those apposed to his style is drawing a line between those who will be on the Pistons and those who will get traded for Al Jefferson………

by Victorsmiles on Jan 11, 2010 6:40 AM EST reply actions  

Didn’t we have a shoot first PG last year with the same mentaility, until his back went on him?

by V. on Jan 11, 2010 7:36 AM EST reply actions  

I am also troubled by the “I’m doing what I want, and if the other guys can’t keep up. . . .” attitude.

Beyond that, I’ve missed the last few games because I was out of town for work, but it seems to me that the problem continues to be defense. I saw that we only scored 10 points in the first quarter against Philly, but in the last, I dunno, large number of games, we’ve given up an obscenely high shooting percentage to our opponents.

by Toledo Joe on Jan 11, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

Defensive Rotations

I’m not sure if it’s not being coached, or of our guys simply aren’t executing.

It takes 2-3 passes to completely break down our D.

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Getting frustrated with losing?

Then stop allowing opposing teams to shoot over 50 percent on you.

by Shinons on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I for one welcome it...

Because what they are doing right now is not working. From the beginning of the year we kept hearing that they were going to play at a much faster pace because of their personnel being younger. That hasn’t happened, and I’m not sure if their struggles are due to that but at this point something needs to change. Stuckey has been playing his heart out and yes, sometimes he is selfish and goes for his. But when you have guys clanking it off the rim as often as RIP and BG have been doing it, you can’t blame him for doing what he can.

by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Jan 11, 2010 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

I love this.....

…..Stcikey is saying to the Old guys….hey you wana play run with me!!!….i love it…..Time for Rip and Tay to put up or shut up really.

by BennieBladesFan on Jan 11, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

MSU vs. Detroit Pistons

So I was watching the MSU men this weekend, and I watched how hard everyone ran the floor and how quickly the PGs pushed the ball. My immediate thought was: why don’t teams other than Phoenix, New York, and Golden State do that in the pros?

If you pay attention to the shot clock and the way the Pistons play, you’ll notice that more times than not, we’re not even into our offensive set until about 16 seconds into the shot clock — 16 seconds isn’t a lot of time. 2-3 screens, 2-3 passes, and a bad shot — that’s what our offense has amounted to of late.

Speeding up the tempo is not a golden bullet. This team is bad, and we’re probably not going to make the playoffs regardless. But wasn’t the PR spin that we were fed all summer that this was going to be a versatile, up-tempo team? As much as that wording made me cringe this summer, it’s about the only thing we haven’t tried so far. Might as well.

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

D has to come first

We used to get quite a few fast break opportunities back with the old squad, just they were always set up by our defense – a long rebound, a blocked shot, a steal. Those lead to efficient, effective running. Trying to run while allowing the seventh highest opposing field goal percentage won’t work – we may lead to more points from more possessions in the faster pace, but it will lead to even lower efficiency, more turnovers, and more easy shots for the opposing team.

It has to start with defense.

by Shinons on Jan 11, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree completely

But I also don’t think the players we have right now are capable of being great defenders. I mean, look no farther than Wilcox and Charlie — those guys just don’t cut it on interior defense, especially when playing together. Beyond Ben Wallace, who could we point to on the roster as significantly above average on defense?

From a GM standpoint: I agree with you 100%. We have to bring in players who are better defenders through the draft and trades over the next few seasons.

From a coaching standpoint: keep harping defense, but also encourage our guys to run the floor hard, even after giving up a bucket (because we’re inevitably going to give up buckets given our talent level).

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

oops

meant to reply to Shinons.

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Concern about Rodney

“We’ve got to change the pace a little bit, so I’ve got to push the ball up the court and we’ve got to get out and run a little bit and get some easy baskets. We had a meeting (Saturday), so (coaches) know. That’s when I’m at my best, when I can get out on the court and create. We’ll see what happens tomorrow.”

Is it just me, or is it that whenever Rodney is quoted in the press, it’s not about “us” or “we” or the “team,” but instead about “me” and “how I can be at my best”?

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t quite buy that, in part because it’s not up to Stuckey which quotes reporters use — it’d be different if we were analyzing his entire interview, not just the quotes that were pulled out.

Either way, I don’t see anything selfish about the quote you referenced — he’s saying the team needs a different outcome, so he’s detailing what he’s going to do differently. Part of the overall theme coming out of the last game was that not everybody was giving full effort, which is probably what his “they better keep up” statement was all about.

by Matt Watson on Jan 11, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I love this actually...

I don’t know if I love what could happen but I love that Stuckey is saying this publicly. He’s forcing the old guys hands with this one and telling the young guys how it’s gonna be.

How it will work out is another thing because Stuckey is out PG. For this to work out Stuckey needs to learn when to finish at the bucket and when to pass out to an open man. He’s good enough to draw multiple defenders but a circus shot is never the best shot. I like Stuckey as a player but for me to even have confidence in this he must show improved decision making skills with his drives to the hoop.

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by madpoopz on Jan 11, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

I think Tay is an above average defender — at the 3, but not at the 4. I think Rip is an above average defender — at the 2, but not at the 3. Which is reason #5,674 why I dislike smallball, although I understand why our unbalanced roster makes that tempting.

I also think that, especially with rule changes, defense can’t just be about being a lockdown defender 1-1. It’s about schemes, rotations, effort, and attitude.

Finally, much as I don’t miss some things about Rasheed, I think we need to understand that he was (at least most of the time) a very strong defensive presence, and we miss that.

by Toledo Joe on Jan 11, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

I agree about Rip and Tay being “above average,” but I don’t think I would call them “significantly above average” at this point in their careers (as vague as my terminology is.

Even so, if the only better than average defenders on the roster are Rip, Tay, and Big Ben, I don’t think it’s fair to expect a defensive powerhouse.

JJ and MFWB are solid, too … maybe I’m just getting too negative!

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Full Court Press

I loved that we pressed Philly in the 2nd half.

I could see it being a regular feature of our defense, especially after we get Bynum back — that dude is solid on the ball. I always wished we played more of it when we had Amir, because the dude was so lanky and quick for a big man.

What did others think of it?

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

MCIAFI..

…Flashed some Full Court Press here and there during the pre-season last year and it was really effective because Amir was on the court during those stints.

And then, as soon as the regular season started the Full Court Press, Amir, and our confidence in MC disappeared.

by DBB Diablo on Jan 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy baskets? What are those?

Havent seen any in a while.

Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!

by VikesPma on Jan 11, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Sure you have

New York, SA, and Philly all got lots of them in the past week!

:)

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Let's give it a shot.

At least somebody is saying something besides “We played poor and have to do better”.

Comparing Stuckey to Iverson is very premature, Iverson had a unique mentality and has 13 years of experience as either thinking he is/or being the go-to guy. Stuck knows the time and knows what the expectations are.

If Rodney’s really the confused ballhog some of you are branding him as, it won’t work, we’ll keep up the freefall, and Joe can draft a PG.

"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd

by Skylar on Jan 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

The shift was decided after a team meeting

so its not like this is him pulling a mutiny. If he goes out and just runs into the defense taking wild shots time and time again it won’t work, but if the team makes an effort of running and he looks for the open man, hey…

What’s the worst that can happen right now? They lose, yet again?

by Kriz on Jan 11, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

This seems like...

It came from above Kuester’s head…

IMO, Jod usually gives his coaches a ton of breathing room during the season, which is why he doesn’t have any qualms about firing them after, because their success or failure was completely their own doing.

But, it seems like Jod finally felt enough was enough. Jod put together a roster whose sole strength was obviously as a running, up-tempo team, and Kuester had us playing at a snail’s pace all year. It worked for a while mainly because Big Ben was playing out of his mind, anchoring the defense, and along with JJ gave us several huge rebounding performances. It was destined to fall apart though.

Even with all-out effort, this roster isn’t going to win many games. There’s a poor mix of high usage, inefficient scorers, and several players who only provide scoring.

Basically all our best players have severe flaws, and (unlike the old Pistons core) their strengths do not cover up each others flaws.

by Gabe F-B on Jan 11, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

I’d rather watch us lose 110-100 than 98-80, though.

If we’re gonna lose, let’s lose by utilizing our talent in the way that makes the most sense.

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Me too. Don’t get me wrong, IMO it is absolutely the correct move.

Playing someone like Jerebko at PF and having the slowest or 2nd slowest pace in the league was completely suicidal.

But, this is obviously Jod forcing Kuester’s hand to try and showcase some sliver of positives from this roster, before fan support collapses even more. And I actually think it will help.

Though I know we agree (as probably the two most pessimistic people here before the season starter), that the upside with this roster just isn’t very high.

by Gabe F-B on Jan 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

as probably the two most pessimistic people here before the season starter

I’m with you fellars. Me from July:

The pieces we have appear to resemble last year’s squad minus defense and leadership. With that, 39 wins is looking like a very high ceiling to hit.

by Mike Payne on Jan 11, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

search FTW

I’m going to have ot play around with that.

I’m sure I could get a kick out of my own comments during all the FA bonanza of this summer.

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

.500 was the ceiling, IMO

But that now seems like a misguided pipe dream.

At least a fast-paced, quick-hitting offense would force opposing defenses to react to, rather than determine, our offensive possessions.

Here’s hoping Q actually enforces this by implementing substitution patterns than keep fresh players on the floor, increase minutes for our younger guys, and limit minutes for the vets — so as to maximize the impact of a quicker pace of play.

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Need to play faster

At this point, something has to change.

This isn’t the 05-06 Pistons. This roster could, and should, play more uptempo. Even when we got AI we still played like CB was still here.

by Steve Kays on Jan 11, 2010 2:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

I was at the very first AI game in Jersey last year and my impressions from that game was that we were freaking unstoppable when we got out and ran, the problem was that we did that less and less as the season wore on. MCIAFI and all. That said, it’s hard to change the way we’ve been playing for the better part of a decade.

by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Kuester's getting desperate

I just saw this via Det Pistons twitter.

I guess they’re assuming Wilcox will run the floor better?

If you had told me 3 years ago that Chris Wilcox would get a start for the Pistons at PF, I would have told you to pinch me to make sure I wasn’t dreaming.

but it really has come down to this…….

by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

rotations

The DBB butchering of Curry began shortly after the first Maxiell DNP-CD last year. Q-Star has been at least as experimental with the 4/5 rotation (other than Big Ben). Wilcox and Kwame, are apparently Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde; when one is on the court, the other cannot be.

Someone help me here. What is it about Wilcox that’s taken him from out of the rotation entirely in late Nov/Early Dec (when the Pistons were winning, btw), to starting. And what is it about Kwame that has him so buried on the bench he must be practicing his 1-in punch, even though he’s probably the only TRUE center on this team.

Someone help me with this, please.

by Big Z in Orlando on Jan 11, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

"That ain't no way to have fun, son"

-Three Dog Night, 1970

"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd

by Skylar on Jan 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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