Pistons at Bulls: The Streak Ends ... Tonight?
by Matt Watson on Jan 11, 2010 8:06 PM EST
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PrintDetroit Pistons at Chicago Bulls, Jan 11, 2010 8:00 PM EST
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Oppo Research:
The Bulls have had no shortage of turmoil themselves, what with rumors of Vinny Del Negro's eventual dismissal hanging over their heads. But instead of shrinking under the pressure and dropping a dozen games, they've manned up and actually played some decent ball, winning five of their last eight and seven of their last 12.
The Drama:
Did you realize the Pistons have dropped 10 of their last 12 regular season games against the Bulls? And haven't won in Chicago since Feb. 2006?
Everyone knows about the 12-game losing streak (and how the Pistons are just two away from tying the worst in team history), but I never realized just how badly the Bulls had Detroit's number in recent years. Selective memory, I suppose.
Keys for Detroit:
Picking up the pace: It can't hurt, right? The Pistons have been slow out of the gate more times than not this year, so at the very least, perhaps a concerted effort to get up and down the court in a hurry will help set the tone.
And ... that's all for now. Fill in the rest of the keys for the game in the comments.
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Actually...
Earlier, I was kind of thinking Stuckey might go for 40 again.
Bulls announcers
sound like White Sox guys on that charge. Completely ignore that they are calling a game and start bitching about the call…
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Screw WGN
I wish I could actually watch this game, but WGN isn’t showing it. Probably due to the records, but still, I’m a VA Pistons fan and I want to see if I can actually feel good about this team, unlike last year’s travesty.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 11, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions
Someone else said this in another thread
But when he called out Lebron he gained a ton of points with me… I still hate him, but gd’it I respect him.
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Calling out 'Bron
That was pretty hardcore. Its just too bad Noah wasn’t Bill Laimbeer because Lebron James would have left that game with his face gone.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 11, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Replayed Jerebko tip in
Said it was shot clock violation before he got it off
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It was right call
Way late…I hate that crap. Either stop action there and check it or don’t change it at all. I’m not a fan of the “we’ll review it during a timeout, even if it’s four scores from now” BS
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Go to timeout down 3
Comeback down 5 and they immediately hit an and-one
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Is Ben running the point right now?
Gamecast doesn’t list Stuckey or Bynum on the court, so I can only assume Gordon is. Sorry, I don’t have any TV access.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 11, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions
Efficiency
Daye killing it, 4 points on 0 attempts.
Want to take back that article you wrote about him?
Because I blame that for his downhill slide.
I see what Rodney was talking about regarding picking up the pace
the Bulls are doing it quite well.
The fiance is watching Desperate Houswives
The only way to block that out is to be tunnel visioned on the game. That makes me speedy.
Not to heap too much praise
on Stuckey, but we are atrocious when he is not on the floor. I think that says more about the roster than it does about Rodney.
Of course...
we’re not very good when he’s on the floor either.
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it baseball season yet?
Watching the Tigers choke and die in epic soul crushing fashion is almost better than this.
I can sleep at night knowing.
John Wall is gonna look great in that Detroit red and blue.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions
Isn't he likely to go #1?
We won’t pick that high, or is my math off.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
it’s likely we won’t have better than a 13% chance at the number 1 pick. NJ and Minnesota will likely have the best shots at the 1st two picks.
Since 1991, the worst team has won it only 3 times.
By comparison, the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th worst team have won it four times each. The 6th worst team has won it 3 times.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
That’s totally irrelevant.
The probably doesn’t change just because the improbable happened in the past.
by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is it irrelevent?
It shows that the lottery odds are largely inconsequential to the actual results. If you’re in the top 6, there’s a good chance you’ll get the top pick.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Probability
Doesn’t change. I can’t explain it further. You’re not arguing with me and MP; you’re arguing with Mathematics.
The only thing you’ve done is establish that the improbable has happened in the past. You’ve said squadoosh about the future, because the past doesn’t impact future probability.
by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, with the lottery.
It favors the team that DOESN’T have the worst record in the NBA. If you’re 2nd-6th, regularly you’ve gotten the pick more often than 1st. I think only 2-4 times in the last 20 years, the worst team has gotten the top pick.
And if we don’t, Favors is awesome, too.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I just want more awesome
and less lossums
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not mathematically, it doesn’t. it doesn’t matter if the 2nd-6th team gets the pick, the worst team has the best statistical chance of getting the pick.
by Mike Payne on Jan 11, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Statistically, they do.
In practice, they’ve only won it three times out of 20 lotteries.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
that doesn’t make this statement correct:
It favors the team that DOESN’T have the worst record in the NBA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery#1990.E2.80.93present:_Weighted_lottery_system
by Mike Payne on Jan 11, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who cares about statistical probability if it doesn't work in application?
If it actually worked out that way, and the worst team routinely got the #1 pick, then it would have some merit, but it rarely works out that way. I mean, come on, the team we’re playing had the 9th worst record in league and still got Derrick Rose.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
My point is this:
If you are in the top 5, odds don’t really matter because history has shown an even distribution among those who get the top pick. And it’s unlikely to change barring a major shift in the weighted lottery.
Teams like Washington, Sacramento, and Boston, all in recent years, failed to even grab a top 3 pick.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
NO!
Please stop.
If you’re arguing the lottery is fixed, that’s one thing. What you’re currently arguing is WRONG. Seriously, please stop. It’s making my my head hurt.
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I fear the wrath of the Basketball Gods
They don’t take too kindly to tanking.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is so wrong
Dude, I don’t want to flame, but this way of thinking is so spectacularly unbelievably wrong.
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Go flip a coin one hundred times
If it comes up heads 90 times, come back and debate probability with me.
MFTL
Much respect man, but it’s a lot easier to just admit that you’re wrong instead of belaboring a poor argument.
That's a fist bump
I would always pass on.
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Yo, check out Margaret McPoyle when she ain't on set.
Pretty crazy. She uglies herself up alot for that show.
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I'm just superstitious.
In 20 years, #1 pick has only been the worst team 3 times. I’d rather not get the worst record. 2nd or 3rd is much better.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I just really really really really really really really really hate arguments that feature bad math.
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The past is irrelevant!
It doesn’t matter what’s happened in the past. Ping Pong balls don’t have memories. They will bounce around, and teams will get picks. The teams with the most balls have the best chance of getting the best picks.
Why you would argue that is confusing.
by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Quick Math Lesson
Just because the odds don’t always play out the way that does not mean that your are statistically more likely to win the best pick with 12% of the combinations when you could have 22% of the combinations by being the worst team.
It’s like when you play roulette at the casino, just because #19 has come up 3 times in the last 10 spins DOES NOT mean that it’s more likely to hit again. You still have a 1 in 33 chance of hitting 19.
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I actually enjoyed my college stats class...
I hated my prof though.
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A comment from Blog A Bull that some of you might agree with:
“The Pistons have played 17 minutes and Ben Gordon has attempted one shot.
Yeah, I don’t think this team is very well run.”
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Who are they to accuse another team's coach of being terrible?
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Nobody sees a problem with him only having one shot right now?
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Oh, I have no opinion. I think he’s dinged and it’s not like he’s been lighting the world on fire lately.
I just like taking shots at Vinny Del Negro because he’s turrrrrrrrrible. Like he might be in Michael Curry territory, except, you know, he speaks English and doesn’t wear patterns that I might consider for my couch.
I'm frustrated...
long day, getting longer, but if we’re going to lose big again, I’d at least like to see BG do something (against his former team)… at least put up 20 shots trying.
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by Packey on Jan 11, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to determine when I'm gonna stick my first Futurama thing in tonight...
and whether it should express my feelings or pure optimism?
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by madpoopz on Jan 11, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to buy one art please...
…or a big man, or something, anything that will help this team.
by Other Matt on Jan 11, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jonas has taken 9 shots?
I like the kid but I see a problem with that.
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I only have a problem
that he’s taking 3-pointers. That is a terrible, terrible idea.
by Mike Payne on Jan 11, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don’t understand why he’s got the green light out there. He’s not a good 3-point shooter at all.
Blaha:
“The Pistons will have some Comebacking to do”
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Gordon + Charlie
Combined:
11 Minutes, 2 points, 3 boards, one assist.
Good lord, those signings are looking worse with every game we lose.
OTOH, JJ has 19 minutes, 11 points, and 9 boards.
What a mess.
That's what I'm starting to hate about Kuester.
Why the hell are these guys only attempting 4 shots? They’re your best offensive weapons.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
exactly what i was saying above about BG
Dude’s got 1 shot…
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Just was looking at his game log...
He hasn’t been the same since that 1-16 game against Dallas. That must have effed his head up big time. He was on a tear before that and since then he’s been inconsistent as all hell and has been hurt twice (maybe thrice?)
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I'm not convinced it's all coaching
Rip is doing his normal thing. Stuck is doing his normal thing. JJ is doing his normal thing.
CV and BG just look fricking passive. BG’s looked that way for large chunks of the season.
Obviously, they can’t give themselves minutes — that’s on the coach. But when they are in the game, it just doesn’t look right.
The Free Agents are playing shitty lately.
That’s fact.
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Agreed, they just need to stop playing him as point.
by Ronsti on Jan 11, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree — he’s gotta keep shooting. He can’t be on the floor and not even attempt a shot. He’s too good for that.
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Offense isnt the problem.....
….its the defense plain and simple.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 11, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions
Both.
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by Skylar on Jan 11, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Poor, poor Michael Redd
Well, not literally poor- but I’m sorry for Milwaukee’s fans, that guy just cannot get healthy and stay that way for a season.
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Tigh Croff needs to teach this team how to shoot.
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Just so everyone knows
21 games is our franchise record losing streak. I hate hate hate hate hate hate that I just looked that up.
by Mike Payne on Jan 11, 2010 9:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Somewhere Allen Iverson is laughing to himself in an abandoned apartment building
wearing a purple suit and playing with knives.
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by Skylar on Jan 11, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There's that Greg Kelser trademark "wow"
by Mike Payne on Jan 11, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The Box Score Says
that it’s a good thing my feed died.
Someone has to explain to me
How this team put together a 5 game winning streak and beat both Atlanta and Denver during said streak?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Like I said...
I’m thinking there is some kind of locker room rift…
It just doesn’t make any sense how well and tough this team was playing not even a month ago and then to just crap it out for the last couple of weeks.
But what could it possibly be?
Everyone is playing except the rookies .. I don’t know, perhaps. But if it is, we’ve got a team full of pussies.
Don't know...
I find it disturbing that Stuckey has to come out publicly to announce his take over…why publicly? Why give the team an ultimatum? Like there are player on this roster that want to play one way but others that want to play another?
There is definitely something going on that the average fan doesn’t know about…
by DBB Diablo on Jan 11, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone said that there was some jealousy between Stuckey and Rip last year.
That Rip didn’t like the attention Stuckey was getting and blamed him for getting Billups traded.
It strikes me as odd how I have to suddenly question the team’s effort the moment Rip comes back from injury. Why do we go from “Scrappy team that just doesn’t have the talent” to “somewhat talented team getting blown out for no reason.”
It could be the losses starting to pile-up and players getting frustrated and doing stupid stuff. I dunno.
But at least early on this team felt like it was fighting most nights. Now I don’t even see that.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
The only way I can watch shit like this
is coming on DBB to pair with this basketbarf
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30 fucking points up!
let’s start hustling out there ladies!!
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My fantasy basketball strategy should be to load up on guys who are playing The Pistons, because we’ll let them have career nights.
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's sad
because that’s what I do in football with whoever plays the Lions….
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by Packey on Jan 11, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So this is what a versatile, up-tempo offense looks like!
I’m glad we’ve got that cleared up.
by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I still like the signings.
I don’t like a lot of the rest of the team, though.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I like Jerebko & Wallace right now
Everybody else including Dumars and Kuester are making me want get… sarcastic.
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I give Gordon and CV a bit of a pass.
Gordon was looking like a beast early on in the season, then hurts his ankle and hasn’t been the same. I also believe that Rip and Gordon simply can’t co-exist, and Gordon is a far superior player to Rip at this point.
Villanueva has been solid save that nasty stretch in December and a couple games here or there. The problem is that he’s good value but not good enough to carry the frontcourt offense.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
The signings...
Have done almost nothing to help us get out of this losing streak. 19 million dollars, and nothing.
JKIAFI --- IF....
He doesn’t play the young guys for the entire 4th quarter.
This game has been over. Let the vets sit. Get the young guys some experience.
Seriously. If we’re going to get blown out, at least use it as a learning experience.
He's going to swap Twilight
for Indiana Jones and the case of the Crystal Skull
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I'm tired...
and this game isn’t worth watching to me right now.
Good night y’all.
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Holding the Bulls to 97 isn’t a great defensive performance. It’s not horrible, but it’s not great either.
Oh wait, there’s another 12 minutes to play.
by brgulker on Jan 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Trade Rip and Tay.....
…..for something…..Just wana dump the salries.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Someone please help me check the FG%
Is it over 30%?
I think we should start follow NCAA games to see how we can get better next season.
Right now, this team is PATHETIC. I don’t know how these players can remain on the court playing when us losing 30 sth points.
What?
I told him exactly where to go to find the FG% for this game, and it’s a dick move?
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300111004
There, that better? Give me a break, Packey.
we're shooting 43%
Bulls are 58% (under 60 for first time all night)
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
Now, instead of having to ask for FG%, SHH will know exactly where to find how.
I have no idea how you read “dick move” into my above comments, but it surely wasn’t there.
woah, I was mostly kidding. /should have added LOL JK
I just read it as you being somewhat of a wise ass, which I’m not opposed to right now. Sorry I may have misunderstood. Your quote is truth, but my hunch is that he wasn’t asking for directions and wanted the easy answer or else he probably could have pulled it up himself. That’s all. Bump it.
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I'll take Elliot
put him on my intermural team, the Ann Arbor Rocketpops. Can you play Center?
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If you draw up some of those funky Batman symbol plays, I think I can.
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhhh....
Just my own baby. But bebounds are good, too.
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
This guy:
Actually, he kind of looks a little like Matt Watson… hmm…
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Were looking at a top 5
pick at this point.
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 11, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions
Blow it up, Joe!
Keep Daye, JJ, Ben Wallace, and MFWB.
Dump the rest for salary and start from scratch!
/overreaction but not by much
what the hell is going on with all these wide open jump shots for the bulls?
not that i even give a shit at this point, but its still pretty ridiculous
Oh gawrsh
getting Mahorned is never good
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There is no excuse for that miss by brown!!
Not even his small hands matter that much.
WOOOO almost 40 down
well at least they didn’t double our score
Oh god
I stopped watching.. down by 40 is a very, very low.. low.
Morale will be so horrible after this game.
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+/- Numbers
Are going to be interesting tomorrow.
Stuck, Wilcox and Big Ben all register at 0.
Rip: -25
CV: -22
No one is +, but no one else is double digit -
Odd.
They do?
Wilcox is -30
Ben is a -11
I don’t have Stuckey’s.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
It's like a tale of two losing streaks.
The initial 7 game losing streak:
Losses to tough teams that we fought tooth and nail and were never really out of the game save Phoenix. Weren’t even healthy.
This losing streak:
Losing to some of the worst teams in the league, lack of effort despite being relatively healthy.
So which team is it? It’s frustrating because at the very least the former gave effort and just were overwhelmed by talent. This current team isn’t this bad, which makes me believe it’s either the coaching or the team’s mentality.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions
NBA.com’s box score has Stuckey with the lowest at -33, the lowest on the team. Ouch.
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions
I wonder what Q-Star will say post-game?
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 10:21 PM EST reply actions
Recap coming soon if you guys can stomach it/the wait.
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Bummer, man.
The gf got me tickets to this game for Christmas. I guess it’s the thought that counts. That was the worst game I’ve ever seen in person. Pathetic.
The only game..
…I’ve been able to go to this season was the Denver Nuggets game. Good thing I went because it doesn’t look like things are going to turn around any time soon.
Personally, I'm proud of our guys tonight
Allowing a team shooting 43 percent on the season, fourth worst in the league, to shoot 57 percent on you? That’s an accomplishment.
by Shinons on Jan 11, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We will never win another game. I’m convinced. Well, I don’t know… maybe we can catch the Kings sleeping some night.
No way we beat the Kings
Better version of Stuckey (Evans), better version of JJ (Casspi), and better version of Rip (Martin) would destroy us.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Jan 11, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"No way we beat the Kings"
is such a fucked up statement!
I am Jack’s raging bile duct.
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That's something most teams in the league couldn't accomplish.
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With this loss, we're now the third worst team in the league.
So long as we don’t get completely screwed and end up with the 6th pick, I like anyone we can get there.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions
If the Knicks by out Darko...
Dumars is unable to draft him again, right? Okay, good… just making sure.
I'd say this year's draft, at least the top 5, is relatively bust-proof.
Now, not all of them will become superstars, but all of them will at the very least become serviceable NBA players. I want the superstar, obviously.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions
I like Aminu
Besides, Dumars could go the Draft Exclusively Small Forwards strategy, popularized of course by Millen with his wide receivers…
Nah, it'll be an even year draft.
All guards!
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, though, this is the draft of the big man.
After Wall, you’ve got a ton of quality big men to look at. Favors, Aldrich, Patterson, Davis, Cousins, Brackins. Though the last two are definitely reaches if we’re top 5-6.
Aminu could become a PF at the NBA level, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Honestly, I’m not really concerned with whether or not our draft pick is a C. Just adding a high quality big man that can take the pressure off of CV to score and play defense would be a huge boost to the team.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not in the top 6.
If we can deal for someone’s mid-first (like if they’re selling the pick), those two, plus Monroe, would be great pick-ups.
This might be a draft where Dumars one-position draft might work out. If he says “big men only” he’s got a great list to choose from.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
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