Lucky 13: Bulls 120, Pistons 87
by Packey on Jan 11, 2010 11:26 PM EST
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What Happened:
The Bulls put this game on "Rookie" level and made the Pistons their little... brother in a game of NBA 2K10 on Xbox. If only the Pistons could have kicked the machine dead, thrown the remote controller at Joakim Noah, and stormed out of the United Center without having to finish the game. Instead, they were forced to suffer through a 33-point (!!) loss and drop their 13th game in a row. It marks their longest losing streak since the '93-94 season when they lost the final 13 games of the season. Unfortunately, there are still 46 left in this one.
The Pistons were stagnant on both ends of the floor tonight, allowing the Bulls to rest while on defense and pick apart the Pistons on offense. The Bulls shot above 60% for the majority of the game (finishing at 57%) and had 29 team assists.
The Good:
Aside from the game finally ending, probably Austin Daye. He was one of just two Pistons not in the negatives for plus/minus (0) and scored 10 points on 3-6 shooting. He also had six rebounds in his 18 minutes.
Oh, if any other teams are reading this, Richard Hamilton was awesome! He was 6-11 (55%) shooting and had a team-high 17 points. Let's hear those trade offers!
The Bad:
It's tough to sift through all that dung and pinpoint a single thing. Charlie Villanueva was 1-10 shooting, thus making him a bigger offensive threat for the other team. Stuckey started the game hot, scoring nine points in the first quarter, but finished with just 11 points on 4-11 shooting. He was also a team-worst -33 in plus/minus.
Tayshaun Prince sat out tonight with an injury (even if he hasn't helped the team's cause much on the court, he's not helping his trade value in street clothes). And Ben Gordon only played six minutes before aggravating the groin thigh muscle he tweaked last game.
And serving as tonight's extra kick to the shins, the Pistons totally embarrassed themselves in front of a fat Luc Longley, (looking somewhat like a fat Chandler Bing) who was at the game sitting courtside.
The Bill Curley Unsung Hero:
I'm going to be a little unorthodox here (since nobody on the Pistons deserve it) and give it to the DBB community. I'm relatively new to it, but I know this community has never experienced a worse team. With the great amount of suck the Pistons have been displaying lately, it'd be easy to make game threads & discussions just as unpleasant . Collectively, though, you've kept your head on a swivel and haven't let it affect how you treat each other and the overall value of the discussion. In fact, the quality has been enhanced. Pat yourselves on the back.
The Takeaway:
Lots and lots of question marks.
DBB Diablo made an interesting presumption in the Game Thread about a possible locker room rift. There's not a whole lot other than the losses to base that on, but at this point, I'm not counting anything out. There was definitely something peculiar about Stuckey's public comments before tonight's game. You might also want to try and make something of Detroit's 1-13 record since Rip returned from his injury -- the one win being on the tail end of a five game winning streak that started without him (and remember Rip was unhappy last year with his situation).
Now, it could all be coincidental -- and there's nothing civil about a 13-game losing streak -- but this team has shown flashes indicating they are a much better team than this. It might be hard to look back before the 13 straight losses, but they have beaten Orlando, Atlanta, and Denver this year. Flukes or not, they shouldn't be losing to Chicago by 30+ points.
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Never experienced a worse team?
Was everyone born in the 2000’s?
Because some of those 90’s teams sucked something fierce. This team is pretty bad, but not quite the lowest of the low. They can get there, though.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 11:41 PM EST reply actions
Crap, I read that wrong.
I was thinking Piston community, not DBB community. My mistake. Yeah, since the internet age we haven’t had a team this bad, but the teal era is still very fresh in my mind.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't make it very clear
But yeah I meant the DBB community itself, not Pistons fans.
Detroit Bad Boys- SB Nation's Detroit Pistons Blog
Nah, it was my bad.
I wonder how many people actually remember the teal years (and early 90’s) vividly. I’m talking watching on a regular basis and seeing them lose on a regular basis.
Personally, I try to catch every Piston game I could, even as a kid, so I watched how bad that 90’s team could be at different points.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 11, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not me
I was/am a Piston’s fan since 1988, but I’ll be honest: I checked out about 1995. I was too young (high school) to be committed to something so horrible at the time.
It was the “teal years” that weaned me off watching the Pistons and put me in hibernation. I started watching again when the Pistons made the playoffs in Stack’s last year.
If the Pistons plan to do another Teal Years: Part II, I wish they would tell me know. I’ve got a lot of other shit going on I can focus on. I’ll never jump ship for another team, and I’ll come right back if they can manage “respectable” again, but I’ve lasted exactly 1/2 of each of the last two games before handing the controller over to the wife.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jan 12, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is the worst we’ve played since the David Wood years. Blogging hadn’t been invented yet.
On a positive note, if we break the franchise record for consecutive losses, we’ll be doing it on National Television. Mark your calendars for January 29th, everybody.
http://dwoodbasketball.com
His coaching specialty is shooting the basketball and running the pick and roll…. maybe we could add him to the staff?
@TL: I remember the teal years VERY vividly. Like, so vividly I can recite Blaha sound bites from specific plays. I used to record a lot of Pistons games on our VCR tape recording machine thing and I would watch and re-watch highlight packages and clips a zillion times. One that jumps out in my brain as I type this is Terry Mills coming in on a fast break and pulling the ol’ one-handed fake pass to the wing to psych the defender out and then laying it in.
by garrettelliott on Jan 11, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s why the play stands out! Blaha goes ka-ra-zay!
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
The problem with this losing streak
Is that a lot of key players on this team have never experienced this before, and they’re getting more frustrated and doing dumber stuff and not trying as hard. A win, just one win, could do a lot towards at least getting some confidence back because the team just looks like it doesn’t like each other or playing in general.
I don’t think our personnel is this bad. I don’t think our coach is this bad, either. I think it’s an attitude issue, and the only way to solve is to, well, move some guys.
I’m in no rush, however. This is probably one of the best drafts since 2003. I’d love to have me a top 3 pick here.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think Rip's attitude became a problem
When Billups couldn’t keep him in check. Notice how some of the dumber Nugget players suddenly behave themselves when Billups arrives.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
its funny because i never got that vibe from chauncey, that he was a leader who kept guys in line
but perhaps he was, it would certainly seem like he has had a good effect on melo and jr smith out there in denver. perhaps it was splintered here in detroit between him and sheed. the last ten years in pistons history could make for an interesting book.
Honestly, the 2000's Pistons were a mixture of some of the best and worst aspects
of basketball. Great team chemistry but questionable effort in key moments. Smart heads-up players who managed to do some incredibly dumb things. Moments of elite triumph (Championship) and embarrassing loss (nothing this season compares to Lebron dropping 25 in a row).
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Man you are passionate about driving this team off the cliff and into the draft.
Let’s hope Joe makes it a good one.
I don’t think they’re going to break the franchise streak. Fuck that noise.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
by Skylar on Jan 12, 2010 12:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, we got the wolves coming up dont we?
i dont think we will break the all time streak either, these are some proud dudes. they wont allow it. hopefully.
The worst thing that could happen
Is if this team turns it around and gets stuck with a #8-9 pick. That’s just going to prolong the rebuilding process. A top 3 pick can go a long ways towards getting us back to the top.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly- I think your worst fears will be confirmed.
Look at the talent we have. I just don’t see them losing that many games this season. But whatta I know.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
I know, which is why I don't want Dumars to go out and make us better
As in, any trade we make should improve us in the future, not the present. I don’t want to do something stupid like trade Rip/Max for Elton Brand or something.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
That would be really stupid. Brand is damaged, expensive goods.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Yet he'd probably make us better.
And that’s my fear. Dumars needs to exert patience in this scenario, not panic. If this team is going to be awful, let it be awful, but don’t want into a deal that locks us in long-term mediocrity. I can suffer through being the Thunder for a couple seasons rather than becoming the Wizards long term.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
ummmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
but don’t want into a deal that locks us in long-term mediocrity.
Jod’s already made that deal. Or a couple of them actually:
1) Rip’s overpriced and overlong extension.
2) Gordon’s ridiculous free agent contract where we bid against ourselves and lost.
3) CV.
4) Max.
Those 4 players are eating up over half of our overall salary cap space for the next 2-3 years. Welcome to mediocrity.
Add John Wall
And welcome to playoffs.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Plus, I can guarantee Rip won't finish his contract here.
So he won’t be a part of the future anyway.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
If games like tonight is what Rip & Tay have in the chamber
then shoot those motherfuckers towards another team.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
No, I'm flat fucking broke.
You can have e-drinks. Which are free and will get you e-drunk and maybe some e-pussy.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
If we get John Wall
I propose we all meet up at some nice joint and get smashed on draft night.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Are you buying?
Once again, flat broke.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
John Wall and Stuckey
We’d be FORCED to run the ball or get rid of Stuckey. Personally, I’m growing more and more cynical each day about him being the guy.
And I would show up to this drinking fest, but I’m seventeen and I live in Virginia.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
If you'll do that
I’d like to have it in one of those ole timey wooden crates full of straw.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'll get back to you during the draft.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Wall is awesome and all
But he doesn’t solve that little problem of having tons of money tied up in not so great players.
He’d definitely help mask some of the issues, but he’s not gonna suddenly make Rip and Ben Gordon worth $23m
I will get nice and drunk if he falls into our laps though.
Rip will be gone soon enough.
Honestly, I don’t think he lasts beyond this season.
Like I said, this is a 2-3 year project. We could have a very different looking team in 2012.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Rip
Now, I have to put some clarification into this because I’ve only been following basketball since the 2008 season, but for some reason, Rip’s always been the Piston I was the most lukewarm about. He’s just kind of always struck me as a bitch. He’s the Piston I have the least emotional attachment to out of the 2004 championship team.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, Rip was my favorite.
Loved his game, loved the mask, loved a lot about him. But the last two seasons really soured me on him.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Veteranos that don't mentor
really piss me off. You’re making a fuckload of money. Do your team a favor and act professional for the new generation.
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by Skylar on Jan 12, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, there’s still no proof that there’s any tension (beyond our horrible play) or that Rip is being a bitch about stuff. Maybe I’m just sticking up for him because I’ve always thought he was one of the most professional (and productive) players we’ve had for the last 10 years.
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Rip's bitchiness
I think I just have a bad taste in my mouth regarding last season. But still, I always preferred Sheed and Billups over him. I mean, I like him because he’s a Piston, but I’d live with him being traded.
Tay, on the other hand, that’ll hurt.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Man I hated Sheed and Tay.
Tay for his complete lack of testicles during the ECF most years.
Sheed for ability to be the biggest underachievement in NBA history.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think Rip was pretty professional
When we were winning. The guy doesn’t seem to take losing well (as most players don’t) but he seems to take the wrong approach when trying to fix it.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Like come off the bench when his moron coach asks him so that Iverson can start instead?
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See, he kept his mouth shut.
But his play wasn’t terribly good off the bench. He forced too much and didn’t play to his strengths. This is becoming an increasingly annoying aspect over the last two seasons.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t he super awesome and getting near triple-doubles in that stretch or something? Maybe not. I suck at looking up the numbers, but in my Piston-frosted mind grapes I remember him being just as productive coming off the bench. I’m sure someone can confirm or deny this.
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Fact check
Rip was solid off the bench, per minute, just as good as he was as a starter.
by brgulker on Jan 12, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks!
I thought so! Hooray for stats!
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
To me he always seemed like the selfish one
its just that in the makeup on the team his selfishness worked. His was working alongside his friend in a team that made him the number one option on offense.
rip had a really good stretch last season where he was scoring well and making tons of assists.
i think it coincided with his return to the starting lineup.
Yeah, when Rip's happy he plays well
He ain’t happy right now (can’t blame him) but he takes the wrong approach. That’s why you have to deal Rip, because he can’t function on a bad team, unfortunately.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I just wanted to move the margin over this much more.
by TDP on Jan 12, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Given how the team did play before...
and how they’re playing now, I think very little blame can fall on Kuester. The fact of the matter is his “vets” don’t really want to play with any passion except that old fart Ben Wallace. At this point I wanna see all three rookies starting, big ben at center, and either will or rodney as the starting PG with the other being the sixth man. I really don’t give a fuck at this point who comes off the bench in what order. Pistons basketball is supposed to be played one god damn way with a passion to win in any way no matter how much fucking work needs to be done. And that “BG only taking one shot” crap I heard during the game thread? Rodney Stuckey has no problem trying to pull this team out of holes. BG gets to be the primary ball handler sometimes, he can shoot as much as he wants. It isn’t coach Kue telling him he can’t shoot. I went to bed during the game, and I wake up a few hours later to see this score? What the hell? I don’t expect us to be great but come the fuck on.
The only thing Kue can do is better is drop every semblance of a nice guy he has in him toward these guys. Get fucking mean. Let these lazy fucks know that they are just fucking embarassments.
And let it be known, I held back on my “fucks” in this comment. Gotta keep up appearances.
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by madpoopz on Jan 12, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
BG was clearly hurt during this game.
That’s why he only took one shot.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I missed that part.
I was outta of it during the part that I was awake, but I was with it enough to see absolute laziness.
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I was getting ready to post about Kuester
Something’s got to be up if we managed to put together something of a nice streak early in the season with Rip and Tayshaun gone and now we couldn’t beat the fucking Washington Generals.
And to think I was hoping that this game would be on WGN.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
the more I think about a locker room riff...
the more it seems likely in regards to our play. I’m just having trouble believing that it can make our team this bad.
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Well I'm depressed
Pistons are now 3rd worst team in the entire NBA. That’s insane.
What do they do at this point? There has to be some kind of a trade, right?
by Steve Kays on Jan 12, 2010 12:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Do you honestly think one trade is going to do anything?
Unless it’s simply dumping Rip/Tay, I really don’t want to do anything to jeopardize our chances at a top pick.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
it depends on who we can get?
but I’m mad enough right now to trade Rip for a bat for Kue to hit these idiots with.
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by madpoopz on Jan 12, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I support this Rip for Bat trade.
But unless we land LeBron, uh.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I have the answer to this team's problems:
GET JAVARIS CRITTENTON UP IN THIS PIECE!
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Has anyone sat through a New Jersey or Minnesota game? I’m starting to get worried that we’re actually worse to watch than they are….
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
we are definitely worse than NJ
way worse.
Minnesota I’ve only watched once, but they are WAY WAY WAY better now that Kevin Love is back. Without him they actually had less PF/C depth than us.
by Gabe F-B on Jan 12, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Currently, we have to agree that we are the worst team in the NBA.
At least the way we’re playing right now. A month ago this was a very different answer.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm
Scroll down to #12- they have us taking Devin Ebanks
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Draftexpress
They’ve got us taking Aminu. And nbadraft.net has us taking Evan Turner, who I think is awesome, but I don’t know if he’d be my first pick.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Favors and Wall are the two guaranteed superstars this draft.
If we land either of them, it’s easily worth this sucktitude.
That being said, the guys after those two are pretty damn good as well. Like I said, this is one of the best drafts in recent years.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Guys after that
What about Patterson? 9.0 rebounds, two blocks. That’s if we need somebody who can sort of sub in for Ben Wallace (same kind of production, mind you, not level of talent). Or Ed Davis.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
I like these guys, too.
I know neither guy is a center, but honestly any high quality big man is good, too.
That’s why I said, this is a good year to tank. A lot of high quality bigs to pick from.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Motiejunas
I’m not sure how I feel about Donatas. From descriptions, he kind of sounds like Bargnani, and we definitely don’t need that with Villaneuva. But the dude can shoot apparently.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
It totally sounds like I'm talking at you in the above post. I meant to add Donatas as a sidenote.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Motiejunas would be a helluva reach if we're in the top 5.
I understand some people don’t have a lot of confidence in Dumars picks, but I feel that if we finish where we currently are, we’re going to get a high quality big man.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
im unfamilar with him, is he a euro big man?
the thought of jod thinking he is smarter than everyone and drafting a euro big man in the top five gives me shivers though.
Darko haunts him
he aint gonna go that route.
by Kriz on Jan 12, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kriz is right
Darko got Dumars shook. Believe it
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Yeah
He’s a Lithuanian PF/C that gets compared to Pau Gasol. I’m no fan, but then again, my ex-girlfriend I hate was a Lithuanian. But still, I’m no fan.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely
I was speaking more to the way draftexpress and draft.net had us listed. I think Joe D’s got this as long as he doesn’t decide to draft a 4’8 Slovakian PG with Alzheimer’s.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as much as we don't trust Dumars draft history.
There really isn’t a whole lot of bust-worthy players. Like I said, some might just turn into functional big men, but I don’t see anyone out of the league ala a lot of his other picks.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of that, is walter sharpe done? is he in the d league now or something?
i havent been following the Sleepy Saga since he got shipped.
Bucks waived him
That’s the last I heard of dude
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He was a Buck?
I have no idea how THAT happened.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a second...
Was that part of the Oberto deal that we used to clear up cap space?
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Denver McNuggets traded him for Malik Allen.
Bucks waived him.
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Joe D's problem
I think Dumars’s problem with the draft is that he has the need to feel like a genius with every pick, so he uses a Ouja Board to find the most obscure player possible instead of taking somebody that seems solid. Hence his second round draft pick fetish.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Of course, there's a couple times where he's gone with the obvious pick
And got burned, too. The hype behind Darko was enormous. People were saying he’d be top 5 player IN THE LEAGUE within his first three years.
Some of it’s JoD’s doing. Some of it’s just plain bad luck.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
True
Sort of like Cleaves not working out.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
i think most of us dont fault jod for darko,
but the thought of him drafting another euro big guy scares the shit out of me. even if hes legit.
Well, the last Euro he drafted.
Is working out pretty well.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said in another post.
Dumars ranked around average to below average in terms of drafting over his Piston career.
If he gets a pick in the top two, there’s no question he will not blow it.
Top 5, very difficult to mess up. Evan Turner might be tempting because he’s quite a good player, but he’s not a good fit at all.
Top 10, little questionable, might reach for someone. But as long as it’s a big man, it’ll likely be a good pick.
And at the end of the day, if Dumars blows this pick then we finally move on from the Dumars era and look towards someone else.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
This draft
If this pick gets that high and Dumars fucks up, he’s done. No steak knives, no Cadillac.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see a better alternative out there.
So Dumars is my guy for a couple more years.
I’m not as frustrated with him as some.
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On Alternatives
I don’t see one either, really. People underestimate how bad some of the GMs in this league are and Dumars is above average. He just gets a lot of crap.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in wait and see mode with Dumars.
Like I said, rebuilding usually takes multiple seasons, upwards of sometimes 5 seasons before you finally pay major dividends. I think 2-3 seasons should be a viable window for Dumars to do his magic.
If by then, we’re on a 223 game losing streak, changes might have to come.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, im not really as down on joe as it sounds from this
just the general pessimism being on a 12 game losing streak is bumming me out. overall i like joe and the team he put together for the last couple of years. i am fully willing to worship him if he can rebuild this team into a powerhouse again.
I think that's the problem right here
Worship.
I think we put “Jod” on such a high pedestal it makes us hold him to a higher standard than your average GM. Honestly, he’s still an all-around solid GM, but like every GM it took a little bit of luck to build that first team and he’s probably going to need it again.
I’m actually considered optimistic on this board and pessimistic on most others. Go figure.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing but optimism from me.
Things will improve, we have the talent, we have a good GM, and I have faith that Kuester can be a good coach. Half a season, however bad- is just too little to condemn anybody.
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right on skylar
im going to crack a beer, play some uncharted 2 and think positive thoughts about the future of pistons. good night all.
Yeah I'm dunzo
Link up with yall tomorrow or the next.
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There is a crazy prank call .mp3 I have
with pieces of that movie on a sound board, and the dude calls people up and plays pieces of Al Pacino’s dialogue. It’s pretty goddamn funny
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In kinda more positive news...
DBB’s posts on the Pistons sucking make the list of SBNations Best Post’s for January, 11!
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/11/1246532/best-of-the-sb-nation-network
Not entirely positive, but I’ll take what I can get.
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Word, that's like a moral victory right?
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I am now at 3000...
heres your moral victory.
Plus I’m not at 3000 comments. Hoorah.
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I don't know how that "not" got in there...
that killed the moral victory.
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Just an observation.
I’m not sure what is going on with this team but from what I’ve seen from other teams (not just basketball either) with a decent amount of talent (like our team has), it always seems to fall back on some type of fued with players amongst players, players amongst coaches, etc.
And narrowing down all the possibilities and events leading up to today, I think there is a very good chance there is a locker room fued going on.
- Team plays with heart when vets and other star players are hurt.
- Team all of a sudden looks “dead” on both offense and defense when those players come back
- Coach has to bark out orders just to get players motivated (shouldn’t be necessary at this level)
- Younger players publicly making ultimatums for the rest of the team
- Certain vets are constantly having their names thrown around in trade talks
Just a small list of things that I’ve noticed over the last couple weeks that just don’t sit right with me. It’s disturbing…
by DBB Diablo on Jan 12, 2010 1:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
also the stones are getting kinda slammed in two of the latest true hoop postings.
for overspending on mediocre players. how did none of us notice this?
I don't read much of true hoop.
but I love the hoopshype rumors section.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
i like truehoop, well i like it more specificaly for the links that are listed in the bullets sections
and a couple of the other things they link to, i just kinda skip anything that the staff writers from espn post.
I still think Gordon and Villanueva are good contracts.
Rip and Maxiell definitely are not.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely not saying shit about their contracts
You can’t play these guys for half a season and say it was a bad move. You need to give them more time than that to play, shit is absurd.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
When both were healthy, they looked damn good.
Especially Gordon.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
The signing weren't the mistakes
The extensions were.
Did Joe think our future depended on 30 year old rip and…Maxiell?
Let's see, Maxiell's 2007-2008
7.9 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 1.2 babies consumed per game. He signed his contract after that season.
$5 million would be about right. Unfortunately, he hasn’t done the same since.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Maxiell was actually pretty solid he got the extension.
7-5 at $5 million actually seemed pretty reasonable. We gave Dyess $6-7 million for 8-6 for a while (until he started). But he’s regressed massively.
Rip, I think, was an attempt to appease him after the Billups trade, which is what makes it a mistake.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but since he got paid he hasnt really lived up to whatever potential jod thought he had
this might have to do with how erratic his minutes are in the last two years but i think we can all agree that in hindsight he isnt worth that money.
Oh I definitely agree in hindsight.
At the time, he seemed like he was worth it, though.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
This is where we approach Portland and go
“You guys seem to be low on big guys. Well we have this AWESOME PF who will HUSTLE and EAT BABIES! And all you have to give up is that useless Travis Outlaw, who’s not even playing right now, and his expiring deal.”
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
true hoop is right
Both of those signings were mediocre guys.
CV’s contract isn’t horrible, and he’s been hurt. He’s tradeable, and I hope we move him.
OTOH, Ben Gordon hasn’t done squat since that opening stretch of the season, and he’s on the books for $58+ million! It’s a god awful contract that we’re stuck with.
Wanna know what guys?
I’m blaming my cat for our losing streak because I can and because I don’t like the other possibilities. absurd i will go with. Once again I say good night.
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I gotta believe the reason our vets are logging so many minutes
Is to up their trade value and display them for teams. Playing the rooks and young-ins in general was actually very successful early on.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions
Yikes
I go away for an hour and come back to 120+ comments!?!? Are you guys rioting because I named you unsung heroes and not MVPs?
Detroit Bad Boys- SB Nation's Detroit Pistons Blog
Actually, it's a pretty interesting, civil discussion.
Most of it about potential picks.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
That's right. Purple drank for all. Or beer.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
I used to mix purple drank with vodka.
It’s pretty good.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Party
Due to geographical/legal obstacles I’m getting an ol’ timey wooden crate of brew cradled by straw. That’s why Skype exists.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Man, I'm pissed
I had a TV Party tonight, and the pistons blew it
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
That was the reference.
I also love Repo Man.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Also, I put a fanpost out.
Apparently, Detroit might be interested in Carlos Boozer.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions
Ughh
That’s a recipe for disaster: unfaithful primadonna with an injury riddled history that puts up good numbers. That’s the LAST thing I want Joe to do, unless we somehow wrangle one of their first round draft picks out of it.
by Biz Markie Moon on Jan 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Add Langlois to the tank train
Is this going to be the new Pistons propaganda line:
The Pistons have lost as many as 14 in a row in one season only twice in their history, the 1979-80 Pistons and the 1993-94 version. The ’80 Pistons drafted No. 2 overall and wound up with Isiah Thomas. The ’94 Pistons drafted No. 3 overall, landing Grant Hill. If that type of reward awaits this year’s team, then maybe the current misery will be rendered bearable.
Also, there’s this mini-whopper to chew on:
The Pistons aren’t ready to say Jonas Jerebko is better suited to playing small forward, but he’s had his best performances starting at that spot as opposed to power forward. It could be a product of the lineup combinations as much as anything – the sample size is just too small to say with certainty – but Jerebko was good again in his pinch-hitting role for Tayshaun Prince
Jeez, so many fucking qualifiers squeezed in there. Why is it so hard for the Pistons to just be happy that they have a rookie SF who is already above average??!!?!
Seriously, Jod should be doing jumping jacks that Jerebko is already as good as he is. Forcing the kid to play PF is the worst kind of stupid.
by Gabe F-B on Jan 12, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
with bynum out there isnt really a reason to go to rip at the 3
i guess just start stuckey and rip, and sub gordon for either one of them. though im not thrilled with bg at the point i like it better than jj at pf. jonas is able to contribute at small forward and do well, lets not fuck that up.
I'm riding this tank until it runs out of gas.
Then I will personally push it as far as it can go.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Jan 12, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Agree With Gabe
Why aren’t the Pistons “ready” to say, “Yup, he’s a small forward, alright!” Is that such a bad thing? No! It’s good! He has a defined role to play, and he plays it well! Especially for a rookie! Stop messing with him and just let him do his thing.
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with Gabe
If Langlois is already talking about the future pick, there’s plenty of reason to be worried, pissed, and confused — wasn’t the money that we dumped Billups for supposed to make us better, not a lottery team? Garbage.
And Jonas is a SF. It’s obvious to everyone who watches. Playing him at PF is just as stupid as playing Tay at PF was last year.
Make room for JJ by cutting Rip’s minutes to 25 per. JJ should be here long-term; Rip should not. I hate to lose Rip, but them’s the breaks.
Sadly...
We’ve said that about the Sixers. Also, the Bulls. So I guess the Wiz will beat us by 30-plus.
I bet we’ll catch a good team napping and sneak out a victory. Bad teams will probably continue to trounce us.
Teal Jerseys
Who else has ’em?
I’m going to wear my Grant Hill teal jersey during tonight’s game. Hopefully, I’ll feel some nostalgia mixed in with my disgust.
I do, I do!
Grant Hill teal jersey AND shorts. I still wear the shorts all the time haha
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They should just trot out the teal tonight
That would make it clear where everything stands, just in case anyone out there still didn’t know. When the team is no longer humiliating the real jersey they can bring it back again.
Also, there should be a lifetime exception for the players who have won a championship for the Pistons. Rip, Tay, and Ben, can still wear red, white, and blue.
by Bill Higgins on Jan 12, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
if the team wore teal throwbacks
the irony humor alone would justify this stretch.
by Mike Payne on Jan 12, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would definitely be where amazing happens.
by garrettelliott on Jan 12, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
also Joe should be made to wear his uniform from the wear he retired until the next time we win.
EVERY DAMN DAY
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
I wasn't aware until I saw the picture.
I didn’t realize the Pistons had added Andre 3000 to the roster.
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Team?
no sugarcoat, pistons PLAYER and TEAM struggleing. need not just score more POINTS, but also have better DEFENSE. just epinion
by coachDP on Jan 12, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
HE RETURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is a glorious day. Shall the Coach of DP’s storied return to DBB herald the end of this wintry cold losing streak?
Agreed!
The return of coachDP is the one ray of sunshine in the miserable winter of the Pistons’ discontent.
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