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Grading the Pistons

Well, the mid-season, and I think pretty much everyone's happy with how things are working out.  It's time to hand out some grades! Now, I want every Pistons player to take these home to get a parental signature, and have these back to me by Friday.  Jonas, you can have an extra three days. 

(insert caveats... nobody expected a championship boilerplate... injuries...)

Onward, ho!

Rodney Stuckey: C+

He is continuing his slow progression on offense, becoming more active without turning the ball over.  He is also becoming more selfish on offense, reflected in his assist rate and true shooting percentage.  His outside shot has yet to develop, and that's going to be the key to his transition from starter to star.  On defense, Stuckey is showing some modest improvement, as he is learning to use his size on both ends of the court.

Rip Hamilton: D

This grade could change substantially, but right now, Rip is destroying the offensive with his turnovers and missed shots.  Two years ago, Rip participated in the three-point shootout.  This year, he's shooting 24% from behind the arc.  He's hobbled, trying to do too much, and looks lost on both ends of the court.  Worse, he is quickly climbing the "worst contracts in the NBA" charts. 

Ben Wallace: A

One of only two Pistons to play every game, Ben is only 2/10ths of a point from leading the team in Player Efficiency rating.  He leads the team in rebounding rate, blocks/40, steals/40, FG%, foul rate (!).  He leads the league in offensive rebounding rate, should make one of the NBA all-defensive teams, and may be the one thing separating Detroit from a New Jersey Nets style fiasco. 

Jonas Jerebko: B-

After wandering into the starting position thanks to injuries, Jerebko has fought off all comers to keep it with his hustle and defense.  He has become a fan favorite, and is even starting to bring a little offense to the table.  His quality play should silence the "Dumars can't draft" for a little while, though I don't think the Pistons are a playoff team with Jerebko playing 30 mpg.  

Tayshaun Prince: Inc. (In danger of failing.  Needs to turn in more work.)

It has only been eleven games, most of them coming off a back injury, but it's amazing how quickly the Pistons' iron man has fallen.  If he continues to play like this, he will almost certainly be benched, and likely asked to take some time off to recuperate.  Already, this season is looking like a wash.  What does that mean for a 30 year old swingman who relies on his defense to contribute at a starter level?

Charlie Villanueva: C

There are two Charlie V's on offense.  The first is a smooth operator in the post with a nearly unstoppable mid-range game.  The second is a bad version of Sam Perkins.  On some nights Charlie looks like the all-star go-to guy the Pistons desperately need.  Other nights, the offense stalls as he drifts behind the three point line and watches.  On defense, there is only one Charlie V, and that guy has trouble sticking to his man, though he does a nice job on the defensive glass.

Ben Gordon: C+

Before going down with an injury, Ben Gordon was playing like a superstar.  Since then, he has been hobbled, and has played like it.  Perhaps the most disappoint aspect of Gordon's play has been his inefficiency (32%) from behind the arc.  Even when he was producing, he was getting to the paint and dictating the offensive flow.  Teams were figuring this out, and collapsing their defenses, just like they did last year.  On defense, Gordon has been as unspectacular as expected, though a bit better than advertised.

Will Bynum: B-

Ankle injuries make a big difference for guys who rely on blinding speed to beat their guys to the basket.  MFWB (which, for new readers, stands for Messed-up Foot Will Bynum) was off to a great start after leading the team in PER last year.  Bynum compensates for a lack of outside shooting my getting to the hoop and (are you listening, Rodney?) creating shots for teammates.  Unfortunately, he seems to be most effective in small doses, and is not at all effective in no doses due to the aforementioned foot ailment.

Chucky Atkins: D

I'll say this... In terms of minutes per dollar, the Pistons have some of the best bargains in the NBA.  Unfortunately, many of those minutes are spent pulling up long three pointers early in the shot clock, thanks to Chucky, who has taken a far too active role in the offense.  His PER of 8.2 is among the worst in the league, and I'm looking forward to a day when Atkins is providing intangibles like "veteran leadership" rather than tangibles like "missed field goals". His assist rate and low turnover ratio are saving him from an F here.

Austin Daye: B

His numbers are solid, and rapidly improving.  He is aggressive on offense, and successful enough that this seems like a good idea.  Prior to a recent slump, he was a actually a bonafide three point threat.  Frankly, I think the Pistons would do well to keep hobbling players on the bench go develop for the future.  His game is the sort that will take some time to mature, but he shows every bit of promise as a multi-tool player at both ends of the floor.

Jason Maxiell: D

What happened? Two seasons ago, it looked like Maxiell was going to be a breakout player.  Now, he's struggling to stay relevant on a team that is hurting for offense.  He's starting to improve with more consistent minutes, a sign that maybe he wasn't in game shape at the start of the season.  Still, it's hard to ignore the fouls, turnovers, and missed shots from a player who is normally pretty efficient.

Chris Wilcox: C+

Much maligned in these parts, Wilcox has more or less lived up to his billing as a solid rotation big man who can provide some offense and keep Kwame Brown off the court.  Fouls will always limit his minutes, and his recent tendency to turn the ball at an absurd rate may keep him on the bench entirely, since those are two areas coaches tend to over-emphasize.  

Kwame Brown: F

See above.  Turnovers are tough to swallow from guys who contribute on offense.  When they come from a guy who almost never scores? Ugh.  All Kwame had to do to be a starter right now is make modest improvements in a limited offensive game and stay tough on defense.  He has not done that, and now it appears he will be relegated to cheerleader if he (and his expiring contract) are not traded at the deadline.

DaJaun Summers: F

The wrong DaJuan has failed to earn minutes in an atmosphere where they are ripe for the picking.  That'll happen when you shoot 29%.  I am still think draft night in the war room went something like this.

Joe Dumars: Okay, we got our man. (Picks up the phone)  Langlois, write up a piece about how we're not worried about his knees.  Arnie Kander can work with that.  We need rebounding and we got it.  All you needed to see was what he did to Thabeet and... What? Wait... That was the oth... Wow.  Um, have Langlois write a piece about the fine tradition of Temple basketball and...

Georgetown? I have no idea who this guy is.  Just tell 'em we planned to pick him in the first round, so we're thrilled he fell in our laps... Tell 'em this "Joe Dumars is walking around with a smile like he knows something everyone else doesn't".  What? We used that? On who? I have no idea who that is... Uh, huh, sleeps a lot.  Doesn't sound like anyone I'd draft.  Also, we're trading that Swedish guy to Houston, so sell that up.  Alright, I'm going to bed.

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Daye vs. Jerebko

B vs. B-

That’s a head-scratcher. I’m not sure what it is that makes JJ worse than Daye at this point in the season (and their careers). I mean, JJ was a starter while Tay was down and will probably be a starter once Tay is gone.

Other than that, I’d pretty much co-sign.

by brgulker on Jan 25, 2010 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Daye has a higher PER, for starters. I’m also taking into account the fact that rookies like Daye (and Jerebko) improve with minutes. Jerebko has gotten them, while Daye has not. Part of it is just the confidence Daye has on the offensive end. That’s kind of a subjective thing, but I feel like I’m seeing more from him.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jan 25, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

What Boney said. Rather than go by PER, why not go by what we’ve all seen with our eyes? Jerebko has been a sparkplug, exceeding all expectations, while Daye has been kind of shaky in limited minutes. That doesn’t mean Daye won’t eventually surpass Jerebko talent-wise, but as of right now Jerebko is far outplaying him.

by garrettelliott on Jan 25, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Difference being

Amir got a shot at extended minutes, but couldn’t hold them due to foul trouble. Daye can’t be compared to Amir until he’s been given a similar shot, and he’s far from having his minutes restricted by foul trouble (although he does foul more than average)

by Mike Payne on Jan 25, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

umm

that’s not what I said…

Daye doesn’t play as much as Jerebko, so basing his higher grade on PER alone is a bad way of going about it.

That’s like saying Amir Johnson is better than Jason Maxiell.

This isn’t about foul trouble at all

by Boney on Jan 25, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

ALSO

it’s obvious that Jerebko’s “maturity” surpasses Daye’s at this point so..

no knock against Daye. I believe he is the best pure scorer in this past year’s draft, so long as he can put a little weight on his frame

by Boney on Jan 25, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

basing his higher grade on PER alone is a bad way of going about it

Understood, my bad.

by Mike Payne on Jan 25, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Daye's minutes

IMO, his low minutes come down to his physical limitations.

He’s just not ready for big minutes in the NBA yet. He can help in spot minutes against the right teams against specific matchups. In those situations, he’s mostly performed admirably.

However, Jerebko has been quite productive, shown big improvements in his offensive game since pre-season, and has done an admirable job against some of the NBA’s best offensive SFs.

I just don’t see how he’s performed worse than Austin Daye. It’s the other way around in my view, and it’s not really close.

by brgulker on Jan 26, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Co-sign on almost everything, though I’m with brgulker in thinking JJ definitely deserves either a B+ or even an A-. He’s been above steadily above average, which is pretty rare for a young euro rookie. I’m a big fan of Daye’s also, and I agree with his grade, just think JJ should rate the same or a little higher.

That aside, my one major nitpick, if that’s possible, is Wilcox and Kwame’s grades should really be switched. Kwame has been crappy in the ways that he’s alway crappy, but Wilcox might be the worst player I’ve ever seen. Literally. If you don’t believe me, look at THIS.

by Gabe F-B on Jan 25, 2010 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting

Those sorts of number need big sample sizes to be reliable. Wilcox is often replacing our best defensive player, who also happens to be our best offensive rebounder (and, at present, the best in the NBA). I think any 4th big would register those kind of numbers in these circumstances.

by Kevin Sawyer on Jan 25, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, but there was a long time when Wilcox was completely out of the rotation, and the other guys who have been our 4th bigs (Max and Kwame) don’t have nearly as terrible an on/off court +/-. The sample size is tiny, but it matches my subjective impression watching Wilcox play (fwiw, he also has the lowest WP48 of any PF/C on the roster).

As you noted; Wilcox’s turnover rate is unbelievably bad, and IMO it’s tanking the only semi-productive thing he brings to the table- decent inside scoring. Up to this point, he’s been abysmal in every phase of the game.

by Gabe F-B on Jan 25, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to pile on, but...

I was thinking that maybe the Wilcox grade was an example of recency bias. Wilcox has had some decent games lately, so those might stick out in our minds more. Then again, I’ve seen all of 3 games this year.

by Colin M on Jan 25, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Strongly disagree..

..with the Wilcox and Kwame grades (especially Wilcox), needs to be a lot lower and a tad higher.

But I guess it doesn’t matter both should be used as trade pieces in the next coming weeks.

by DBB Diablo on Jan 25, 2010 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

I know what the title says

But I was hoping for a little write up on Q, too. Guys in a tough spot w/vets who are used to winning and not being injured. I’d give the guy a B-, cause I know he’s trying, but isn’t quite getting the results quite yet. As for the guys actually on the court, I think you pretty much nailed it. Maybe a A+ for ben for not destroying any of his poor defense/shot happy teammates.

by C$ on Jan 25, 2010 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

agreed

coach q has really went up in my books, i really like him even though were not winning.

by Band Aid on Jan 25, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Q and Joe both deserve an analysis

I’ve got my own in-depth analysis on Joe which will hit on the day following the trade deadline. One on Kuester would be a good idea, as C$ said— anyone?

by Mike Payne on Jan 25, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Jerebko gets an "Ä"

I am already drinking to that, because I agree with myself.

"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd

by Skylar on Jan 25, 2010 10:19 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

curse you, wikipedia

"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd

by Skylar on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

WHAT.

You kiddin me, haha I’m joking about this one but if I was the teacher I would have taken that A from Wallace to a B because he just wanted the money back then and he left us for the Bulls. But welcome back Ben, time to fear the fro. Forget about the past and do work on the court.

by this_is_SPARTA on Jan 26, 2010 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

Chris Wilcox

I think you should stop picking on Chris Wilcox and give him another chance. This was his first year with a new team and he was injured. He is a great player and has been in the NBA for 7 years. It is easy to sit on the outside and throw criticisims.

by baskethoop on Jun 19, 2010 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  


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