Morning Shootaround: Trades, Energy and Injury Updates (Again)
• Joe Dumars on making trades before seeing what the Pistons can do when they're healthy:
"It's hard to say what you have when you've had your team for just two games," Dumars said. "You don't know about your team. It's not like we've had our full complement of players and we have the record (15-28) we have. "You don't know if you are a playoff team or not. So you don't talk about making trades."
[...] "You have to play with each other for a full stretch before you can get a feel for exactly how your team plays," Dumars said. "That's what I am trying to say. I think it would be premature to do something right now."
As eager as I am to see him pull the trigger at the trade deadline, he's right -- there have been only a scant handful of games that all key players have been available. But most of the injuries have been suffered by wings -- you don't need to see a healthy four-guard rotation to realize this team desperately needs a post presence.
(Random side note: I'm going to save my daily rant about already knowing the Pistons are not a "playoff team" and assume he simply means he doesn't know if this team can be a "playoff-caliber team," as in, capable of beating legitimate contenders on any given night when mostly healthy and in sync, regardless of whether the Pistons advance to the postseason or not.)
• Then again, what's it matter if players have missed time if they don't even try when they're healthy. That's John Kuester's beef:
"It bothers me when both rookies and veterans don’t give it everything that they have. I know we’re capable of it. I’ve seen it at times. We’ve had some of our numbers down, but whoever we put on the floor has to play with a certain amount of passion for us to be successful. Against Boston, we didn’t have a good first half, but we came out and played with a lot of emotion."
• Will Bynum on being injured the season before what should be the first big contract of his career:
"It's tough. I've been waiting on this opportunity my whole life," he said. "To be here and get hurt like this, it's tough."
• Speaking of Bynum, MLive's Chris Iott says he and Ben Gordon are game-time decisions tonight. Don't hold your breath -- Gordon suggested after yesterday's practice that he would play things safe, and Bynum doesn't sound like he's 100%, either:
"I can deal with the soreness, that's not anything," Bynum said. "It's just the sharp pains that I feel when I'm cutting, or defensively when I'm up pressuring the ball, or offensively when somebody's pressuring me. That's just been the problem."
"They both play with energy," Kuester said. "As we've found out the hard way, it takes time."
Memphis struggled early in the season while dealing with distractions from guard Allen Iverson before the two parties agreed to terminate his contract. The Grizzlies started the season 1-8 (.111), but they are 23-11 (.676) since and hold the eighth and final playoff spot in the tough Western Conference.
To put that in perspective, .676 is the equivalent of 55+ wins over 82 games -- and if the Griz won at that pace from Day 1, they'd be the No. 3 seed in the West. Don't sleep on the Griz.
• Charlie Villanueva may or may not have attacked some guy in 2008. The case has already been thrown out once, but -- surprise, surprise -- the guy filed a second complaint and is still hoping to get paid.
• Depending on your point of view, Joe Dumars knows a thing or two about bad contracts, but he's hardly the NBA's worst offender. Patrick Hayes examines the entire league, ranking the worst.
• Speaking of potentially bad contracts, Dan Feldman at PistonPowered.com points out how Dumars seems to have inadvertently admitted Gordon and Villanueva had all the leverage last summer, giving them inflated deals at the expense of waiting for a better bargain. When reading that (and I suggest you do), also realize that Dumars not only spent the most money, but also spent it the fastest.
• And ... speaking of PistonPowered, check out Feldman's nifty composite report card, combining midseason grades from the best of the Detroit's traditional and new media.
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Re not knowing enough about the team because of injuries
Normally, if a team had this many starters and regular rotation players out for as many games as Detroit has had, plus all the new faces (rookies + Gordon and CV, and I guess Wilcox and Chucky), I would entirely agree that there hasn’t been enough time to figure out how good the team is and what is needed for a trade. But on this roster (as the original post notes) it is just SO F’N OBVIOUS that the team needs a quality big or two who can score in the post, that I don’t think that’s the issue. Rather, the issue is probably that it’s harder to make a trade involving guys who are hurt, as Tay and Rip (for example) have been for most of the year.
I also have to assume that JOD is up in the air a bit about what he can do given the possible sale of the team.
by Toledo Joe on Jan 27, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
A lot of people are very sentimental about it … they can’t bear to see the team that Mr. D. loved so much sold out of the family.
Sorry, but I just don’t feel that way. The only thing I feel is concern that new ownership might 1) move the team, highly unlikely or 2) put constraints on management that would hamper decision making.
Agreed, those are definitely my concerns.
I don’t care who owns it. If Mr. Davidson wanted to keep it in the family, he would’ve expressed as much in his will.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
He did...
He talks about it here in his 2008 interview with Albom.
Q: At 85, have you thought about or made plans for the Pistons after you’re gone?
A: Yes. We’ll keep it in the family. It will always be in the family.
Q: And is it your hope your relatives will run it?
A: I’ve already set up the method in which it’s gonna be run.
Q: By your family members?
A: Yeah.
Personally, I don’t care if it stays in the family. I’d rather have an engaged owner who’s an NBA fan than the widow of one owning the team. Regardless of Mr. D’s wishes (God rest his soul), the team should be owned by someone who cares about it.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jan 28, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
remember the good old days when the season was young and we could speculate on what amazing big man we were going to trade rip and or tay for?
those blockbuster trades that would put us right back into contention? a whole lot of pie in the sky now it seems. that aspect has been pretty disappointing to me this year. every day i would get online and hope to see the news that we had made that great trade, as the days went by and the season progressed i now log on and wonder if im going to see "tayshaun prince traded to the clippers for a jumbo bag of funyuns and cash.
Maybe they can trade Prince for an In-and-Out Burger franchise to relocate in Michigan
I root for the Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings and yes, the Lions.
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We can draft a big man.
All is not lost. I agree though, I’d rather trade for a proven talent and start reclaiming some respect for Detroit Pistons basketball.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Hayes needs to redact his comments about Udrih
He’s earning that full-MLE contract this year. 13 ppg on 50% shooting, 39% from 3, and 4 assists per game as a sixth man. I mean, that’s impressive. Similarly, how is Andre Iguodala overpaid at 12 million/year? In my eyes, that’s a bargain for his all-around game. Certainly better than paying LaMarcus Aldridge the same salary.
Jonas Jerebko - the Tiger Woods of Swedish Basketball
Yeah, I don’t get the Iggy hating either. All around stud. Franchise guy? No, but he’s not making franchise money either.
Iguodala has improved a lot over the years..
seeing as though he’s spent his entire career shipwrecked in Philly- I got nothing but love for that guy.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd

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