Moral Victories? We don't need no stinkin' moral victories. Heat @ Pistons
by Packey on Jan 29, 2010 7:29 PM EST
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[Ed. Note -- I started to write the preview, but Kevin called me and said he'd take care of it. So this is his fine work. -- Packey]
Game tips at 8:00 pm ET
Detroit Pistons: 15-29 (11-12 home, -4.8 margin)
Miami Heat: 23-22 (10-11 road, +0.2 margin)
Oppo Research
If Dwyane Wade played in any other era, people would mention him among the best of all time. Unfortunately, for him, he plays in this era, and LeBron James gets all the love. Oh, and Kobe Bryant, but for some reason, I think it would be easier for fans to favor Wade over Kobe.
This season, Wade's numbers are somewhat off from his jaw-dropping 08-09 campaign. In fact, he is down in nearly every category, resulting in a lowly PER of 28, good for third in the NBA.
Wade has at least one weakness. He is a poor three point shooter. He is shooting 30% from beyond the arc, with a relatively robust 3.4 attempts per game. Detroit would do well to push that attempt number as much as possible.
Apparently, Wade's team features a plethora of other basketball players, who man the other positions and help Wade to thrive. Little is known about these men, but it is rumored that at least one of them does drugs.
The Drama
Ben Gordon is back! Limit minutes! Amazing has happened!
Keys for Detroit
Get Gordon going - At his best, he can drive the offense. Oh, and he can make a free throw or two. Let's just get the clunky jump shots out now, eh?
Feed it to Charlie V. inside - I've got a feeling I can just cut and paste this one for the rest of the season.
Keep Wade outside - Seriously, bad three point shooter, more than willing to shoot.
Question of the Game
How will Ingmar Jerebko respond to Gordon's return? Will he destroy Ben with his Swedish glare? Will he score 28 points, simply to assert his dominance?
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is it really a good idea to post links if they just result in fail?
ppl should know by now where to go
I've looked at all my normal sites ann have got nothing
I’m just hoping someone has had more luck than me
That's not the reason
I think that NBA lackeys monitor the popular blogs and shut down feeds as people post them. We had this problem on DBB 1.0 for a long time. The rule of thumb is if you post a link here, it will die very shortly after you post it.
technically
SB Nation told us to hide any comments with links to illegal feeds. Since posting them actually helps the NBA find them to shut them down more than it helps us, I’ve never adhered to that rule. Maybe get the email of guys who usually need them/find them and interact that way.
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Are there a thousand Pistons fans left?
by TDP on Jan 29, 2010 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Last two passes I've seen from Wade
behind the back fails.
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Just saw the replay
had it minimized live. Pretty sweet — for some reason, Ben Wallace got the outlet pass, dribbled a few feet past half court and lobbed it to Wilcox.
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Tay’s upfake might be the single most useless move ever. everyone knows it’s coming. i know it’s coming. you know it’s coming. the other team knows it’s coming. tay knows it’s coming. the ballboy knows it’s coming. arnie kander knows it’s coming. it hasn’t fooled anyone since ’05. someone needs to tell him.
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I may be wrong
But I think its mostly a coincidence. I doubt any NBA lackeys are wasting time on our blog searching for streams to shut down. Plus, most times the streams last quite a while. The streams shutting down are more or less independent of being posted here. Or so I think.
I agree...
It would be more worthwhile to attack the video streaming sites themselves with those lawsuit things.
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I fell asleep.
and woke up and saw them just hurl three’s, so I went back to sleep.
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the only thing slower than the action on the court...
is the action in this thread. Where is everyone?
were you here before DBB moved over here?
cuz that was some slow shit.
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there were like 4 or 5 of us on the MTSM threads...
I think I did 50 straight comments all alone once.
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Tay...
Is it bad that even though he’s only been injured once in his career, I now instantly expect him to break when he falls to the floor?
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What's up motherfuckers. I got home from a long day at work
and this is the thanks I get.. down 20. Soy enojado
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
it should be much worse than that.
work your head around that fact.
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Do like I did
Pour yourself a glass of tequila and divide your attention.
or go to sleep like I did.
but than again Tequila may help with that.
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In my defense
I had a terrible week. A lot of stressful meetings with people I hate having to deal with. And when I thought it was over, I got slammed today and didn’t get to the shit I’d been putting off and planning all week on finishing up. In short, I’m on my first of multiple glasses of booze.
never said it was bad...
just don’t drive anywhere buddy.
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Psht.
I’m already home from dinner and rockin my (formerly) lucky maize Michigan basketball shorts. Don’t worry, I’ve got strict rules on the drinking and driving thing. Rule one, never drive after your second drink. Rule two, repeat rule one.
Love How Charlie....
…..Runs away from wade there and leaves him wide open for a 3…..Unreal
by BennieBladesFan on Jan 29, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions
wth
was Villanueva thinking on that play…..
by Giggitty Giggitty Goo on Jan 29, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I poured a Guinness as soon as I saw the score
Pirate fuel to follow
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The only thing explosive about this team
is the ankles.
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by Skylar on Jan 29, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to go drinking.
Night of tragi-comedy of errors. Awful. So awful.
just EPINION
by real Rob G on Jan 29, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Cheers, everyone.
Sounds like everyone’s drowning the sorrows tonight.
/clinks MadPoopz’s Pepsi ;-)
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Oh
I took your comment to mean you weren’t drinking something of the alcoholic variety, which I thought was LAME. I may have assumed something that was not true.
You could do Vernors and Gin.
Or Vernors and Bourbon- That’s like a Kentucky Bed Warmer.. Tayshaun would approve
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
drinking a nice cold brewski myself
I was taking a light hearted jab at my buddy MadPoopz because he told us in another thread he doesn’t drink. Meant no harm but I’m sorry if it was offensive.
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I figured
You were laying off the sauce cause you had to study tonight, which is also LAME. It’s all good, though. Being in the south, I assume you are not drinking a Bell’s.
ha
I do study a lot, but I try my best not to let my studying get in the way of my weekend drinking. Drinking some Sweetwater Blue, Atlanta brewery down here that’s succulent
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just to give some explanation...
the only advice my dad has ever given me was to not drink. I figure if it was the one thing in this life he thought was worth telling me they must be good words to live by.
I don’t mean any offense by not drinking. It’s just what I do.
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That's just fine, man.
Personally I don’t smoke nothin, period. Just imbibe.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
This
Is good advice. Although a good cigar on a special occasion is delicious.
I don't know the background to this comment and dont care to scroll up
but there is nothing wrong with not drinking.
some people get down right offended when I tell them I don't drink.
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I didn't drink for a really long time
and it can get in the way if you socialize with drinkers, but if they get offended, it’s their loss.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
those people are idiots
sorry if I came across as being one of those people.
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no explanation needed bro
110% nothing wrong with not drinking. I was just playing around.
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I know dude.
and I like the joking around. Some people need an explanation though and it’s for those people why I posted.
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I got Vernors tonight actually...
It was on sale.
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That's a great call
I miss Vernors…. I don’t see it down here.
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It's weird seeing all these losses stack up.
Looking forward to the draft is so wack when it ain’t even AllStar weekend yet.
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Paging Mike Payne
We’re having this conversation while missing the original Drunk and Surly. Doesn’t seem right.
wanna know what's fun?
seeing the ball go in the basket.
and I am now watching this thread more than the game.
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Breaking up with my girlfriend of 2 years tonight
It’s gonna be a fucked up weekend.
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Sorry, man
That sucks, man. Nobody likes having to go through that.
It gets worse.
She was attack dialing and texting me while I was at the wake for my good friend’s poor mother who passed due to brain cancer.
She just wouldn’t let up. Messy!
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Wow, this site got all fancy and shit while I was gone.
The Pistons? Not so much.
I know of three ways to improve this season and give us a brighter future.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M1A1.jpg
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-72A_tank_on_parade.jpg
3. http://www.brusselspictures.com/wp-content/photos/WWI-tanks/mark-iv-tank.jpg
Count on it. Although I have some sort of secret job interview tomorrow
so I can’t get too tore down
Yeah OM & Pack it’s lame. She made me do it though.
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It's one of my best buddy's brother's partnership or something.
It could be great, thanks for the well wishin’
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I'm learning all about partnerships in my business orgs class
wish that meant something & I could help you, BUT good luck, man.
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They're good dudes and respect my work ethic
so that’s like immense, right off the bat..
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
By the way, did someone steal my name while I was gone (couldn’t register as just SadPanda) or is the new system beyond my comprehension?
I wouldn't go
The unbelievable amount of suck that’s going to be on display might be contagious and then you might start randomly falling over, walking into walls, opening doors into your face, and insulting people you like. I wouldn’t risk it.
You may begin to hate the game of basketball.
“The 2009/2010 Pistons and Nets: They forced me to hate”
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Ah, it'll be fun.
Just keep your eyes on Jonas, Wallace, etc… it’ll be fun to see Devin Harris and Terrence Williams, too.
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Is this really the best way to introduce somebody to the game of basketball? It would be like hiring Charles Barkley to coach you at the game of golf.
I agree with this
If he hasn’t been to a game yet, he can wait until it’ll actually be a positive experience ha
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that's a classic clip
Actually, speaking of HTML fail, one of the features in the SB Nation drop box is embedding youtube videos in comments. It might get crazy here then
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can't embed now
And I don’t know where that feature falls on their list of priorities but I saw it on the “suggestions” site and it had some votes from other SB Nation bloggers
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we get 9 active votes
I spent 6 on a ‘recent comments’ widget
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you may have to tell people to adjust dimensions of the video's than...
cuz it will get crazy.
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Drunk that like a big man Cake Boss
Ima pour one out for the first half of a dead-ass season
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GANG UP
on Magloire!! Jonas & Daye
by Giggitty Giggitty Goo on Jan 29, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions
What the hell happened to this team? They have good players but the sum of those parts is a pile of shit.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
65 points!!
just avoided the lowest record! celebrate…….
by Giggitty Giggitty Goo on Jan 29, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions
James Jones
Pullin’ some of that Rookie-Year-Rodney-Stuckey-shoot-it-until-the-buzzer-when-you’re-up-twenty shots.
so...
can we pull a moral victory out of this one?
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Hmmm
what could be Stuckey’s laugh all about..
by Giggitty Giggitty Goo on Jan 29, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
That he gets paid to do this?
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
by SadPanda1 on Jan 29, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With the Charlie V freethrow we avoid tieing the Pistons Franchise record low score for a game
Rebounding war lost 54-25
3 Point FG war lost 10-1
Moral Victory war lost PERIOD
He's laughing on the outside
but crying on the in.
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What the hell is our moral victory, that they used lube? I don’t think they did.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
"When I get drunk I might act uncouth/
but when I get drunk I always tell the truth" – J Ro, tha Alkaholiks
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
hahaha
that’s how I feel. Is he in a snowglobe?
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If anybody needs me...
I’ll be in the ANGRY DOME!
grumble grumble grumble grumble
So we should have resigned Sheed?
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
League Pass update
Bulls in OT with New Orleans. Chris Paul playin’ with a serious limp
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MAKE THEM WEAR TEAL
WITH THE HORSE.
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by Skylar on Jan 29, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hope Joe Dumars is proud
Remember when the Pistons lost in the East finals and Dumars got all mad and went on TV and said, “I’ve seen enough”? And then repeated the words “I’ve seen enough” four or five more times? And acted all tough like the Pistons who had played their hearts out for five, six, seven years had betrayed him, like they wanted to lose or something even though they obviously were crushed, and how Dumars said he would gladly trade anyone but Stuckey? And then he traded Chauncey, the team’s one truly untradeable player, for Iverson, whom he had lusted after since 2001 at least, and then when that move failed claimed that all along it was about cap space, and then how he spent most of that money on a guy who played the same position as our best player, and then spent almost all the rest of it on a guy who couldn’t even start for bad teams, and how he gave both those guys big big contracts although literally no other teams expressed interest in them and he was bidding against himself? And how he also gave away Afflalo so that he could clear a roster spot for the supposed defensive stopper Deron Washington, who is now the 7th man for the Tulsa 66ers of the D-League? And before that how he said that Michael Curry “reminded him the most of himself” out of all the coaches he had hired?
Sheeeeeesh. None of what has gone on in the past two years had to happen.
Damn, man.
I need another drink after that.
Although, you must have forgotten how sick we all were after the LeBron game in the 07 ECF or the 08 ECF against the Celts. I believe we were better than Boston and were probably the best team in the league that year. Unfortunately our guys played like it was 2004 and didn’t have enough when it was gut check time.
What’s going on right now sucks for sure, but I don’t know how many more times I could’ve had my heart ripped out like we did in 05 (games 5 and 7 Finals), 07 (game 5 ECF), and 08 (games 3 and 6 ECF).
I may be in the minority, but I still believe it was time to drop that core and renew
Dumars has gone about it wrong, but I still believe that rebuilding is where we are supposed to be at, right now.
It's just tough as shit to watch
but you nailed it. Rebuilding is an ugly word, but we haven’t had to do it in so many years.
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32 wins
The Irvine year… do we have another 17 wins in us this year? That year was actually somewhat bearable to watch because Stackhouse was dropping 30 on a nightly basis.
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Man, what are we rebuilding?
I see absolutely no signs of anything being put together. Only things being ripped apart. The team gets worse every week, seems like. And the future is worse than the present. In 3-4 years a huge chunk of of our cap will still be going to Ben Gordon and Villanueva. They are role players!
by Bill Higgins on Jan 29, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
So draft someone special.
That’s part of rebuilding too.
Picture ain’t as bleak to me I guess.
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I don't think any of that is enough to ask for his resignation
but he is eroding the fanbase a bit the past two seasons.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
He's a dirt-merchant vagabond excuse for a coach.
But the dude can work magic.
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Larry Brown would literally murder Rodney Stuckey for making all these lousy decisions every game
Every time Stuckey takes it with his right hand (always the right!) into traffic and gets blocked because he wants so badly to be Wade but can’t jump high enough, LB would bench him. Every time Stuckey is “aggressive” and dribbles into two defenders and loses the ball or throws up a hideous brick (not intending actually to get a decent shot but only looking for a foul call that will never come) while a teammate stands open, LB would bench him.
Stuckey would be pretty low for awhile, but with this regimen over the course of months, he might stand a chance of becoming a decent point guard. It’s how Chauncey Billups became elite. Without it poor Stuckey doesn’t stand a chance.
by Bill Higgins on Jan 29, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
He has no class, moral fiber, or any sense of duty to his employer
but the guy is goddamn magic in practice and gametime.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Lots of geniuses are crazy, unfortunately
You understand that the positives by far outweigh the negatives, and you live with them.
by Bill Higgins on Jan 29, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Except in Ted Bundy’s case. Then you die with them.
by TDP on Jan 29, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll never forgive him for the skullduggery with the Cavs' job
but Bill, I miss that dude as much as you do. He got the most out of both ’Sheed and Billups.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Are you serious?
He fucking interviewed with Cleveland between Games 6 and 7 of the NBA Finals in 2005! Ridiculous. Fuck him after that. Unforgivable.
by Other Matt on Jan 29, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
He was the best coach we’d had since Daddy Rich though, right?
Like I said, I hate the motherfucker.. but I loved the winning
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That did probably cost us a championship.
But having LB in the next 2-3 years after that, if somehow it would have been possible, would have delivered at least one more chip to compensate. That would make it forgivable to me.
by Bill Higgins on Jan 29, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t argue with his chops as a coach, but man I can’t forgive him for the way it ended.
2004 we arrived a year early and won it all completely surprising everyone. Then we lost in 2005 after he flirted with the Cavs during the f-ing Finals. Then he forced Mr. D to fire him because he had “health issues” and couldn’t “guarantee he’d coach a full season”. Then he took a job with the Knicks about 8.3 seconds after getting fired. He deserved every fucking bit of getting saddled with that Isiah assembled atrocity.
The Cleveland junk
started before the finals…I remember it going on during the ECF against the Heat
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That doesn't change anything you said...
Just pointing that out
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Bottom line is
he never tried to dispute his rep as a sketchball who would come to a city for a couple years and then jet on his team for somewhere new, regardless of chemistry, popularity, or personal finance… he perpetuates it again and again.
He’s just such a weirdo.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Still, would you rather have LB's cheatin' heart...
…or Michael Curry?
It’s an easy choice, and the answer is not Curry.
In LB’s case it is worth it to negotiate with terrorists.
by Bill Higgins on Jan 29, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not disputing that at all
I miss the hell out of LB’s hard nosed coaching style, actually. Most of all, I miss winning — like anyone else here.
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Yeah, I'm done talking mess about the man.
And, I said as much about him already.
All I can really do is hope Kuester can keep these guys believing in themselves, and evolve into a better coach, every year that he is here.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
I'm hoping Q actually sticks around...
I think he’s humble enough to realize his mistakes and learn from them. He’ll grow with this team and as he does such the team will gain respect for him.
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He'll be back at least another season.
I guess it depends on what happens to Hamilton and Prince.
If they go, Stuckey & Wallace will be the clear leaders on the team and hopefully shit just stays positive through the losses.
Jerebko will be better next year, Daye as well. Add to that whoever we pick up in the draft, and they could be much better next season.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Do we think Kuester is smart/tough enough though?
I feel like he may be a career assistant who likes to be friends with the players. I haven’t seen any X’s and O’s advantage for the Pistons in any of our games so far this year. And his substitution patterns often make me wonder.
by Bill Higgins on Jan 29, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
You could garbagecan Curry after a season.
That was unanimous.
I need to see more from Coach Kuester before I decide a change is needed.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
I’m not entirely prepared to asses his abilities as a coach until I see him play with this team performing at full strength. Regarding his ability to coach a team that has not been full strength, I’d say he’s done a pretty good job.
Q was not handed the keys to an injury depleted team. Until he gets to coach the team he was given, I’ll withhold all of my judgments.
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Yeah
It started during the ECF, but the actual interview happened between Games 6 and 7 of the NBA Finals.
Xavier Henry, Lance Stephenson, John Wall, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins
lottery ftw
by Giggitty Giggitty Goo on Jan 29, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions
Two points:
1. Larry Brown can suck my balls. Much love for the ’ship, but flirting with the enemy during a run for another ’ship is fucking unforgivable.
2. I’ll have to let you guys scout the college players because I don’t watch NCAA ball.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
Too depressed to comment
missed the game, again. our only chance for the remainder of the season to get a little home cooking going and we suck even more.
While the Pistons are getting their lazy asses kicked at home,
the Bulls are owning the west
by Giggitty Giggitty Goo on Jan 29, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions
How's Tyrus Thomas at center?
I think CHI wants to move him. I wonder what Wallace & Gordon think of him.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
I just haven't seen him play a whole lot and I'm looking at Centers on the market
because I don’t think the draft will yield one, and I’m sick of losing.
"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden
Tyrus Thomas...
…is a mediocre PF, certainly not a C. But he’s much better than Chris Wilcox—and every other big man on the Pistons roster save Mr. Wallace.
I was just reading about Stephen Jackson's return to Golden State since his trade
Jackson had 30- They beat the Warriors by 11, 121-110.
We put up 65 last night? Charlie led all scorers with 15? Horrible effort.
Something’s got to give. The Pistons are in the gutter right now.
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