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Since we have a little down time between games, I think now would be a good time to explain in greater detail all the powerful features we have at our fingertips at SB Nation.  I realize this might be a review for the readers of the defunct MTSM, but for the longtime DBB readers unfamiliar with SB Nation's platform, this should be very useful.  

FanPosts:

This is the blog within the blog, where you can write your own blogs and, potentially, get them posted on the front page.  These are as readily available to the public eye as anything else on DBB, so make sure they are well thought out, edited thoroughly, and, I'd say, at least 200 words (not counting "I'm trying to meet the minimum word limit" fluff). Use your best judgment for the word limit.  New FanPosts can be created (with the FanShots) in that box on the upper right side of the site.  You'll see a list of all FanPosts along the right side of the site.  Seriously, it's not hard to find.

Some key guidelines about FanPosts that you should know:

  • Don't spam or pimp your own blog (especially if you do not comment here regularly), but that should go without saying.  If you are simply trying to point people to another link's work, then please promote it in a FanShot (see below)
  • If someone has already written a FanPost on a particular subject, do not duplicate it.  We currently have 4-5 separate T-Mac trade FanPosts, when the last 3-4 should have simply been comments within the first one.  Sometimes it will happen by accident, that's OK, but think of it this way: Matt, Kevin, Mike or I will never have two posts about, say, trading Richard Hamilton unless it's a planned argument/counter-argument post.  If you think you have something better than the initial FanPost, post it in the comments and we'll notice it.  Too many comments are spread out and getting lost in the shuffle with all these T-Mac threads.  
  • If you like a particular FanPost, you can let everyone know by clicking the "Rec" link at the end of the post.  It's usually the third link between Print and Flag, and it has a star next to it.  Three Recs will get the FanPost promoted to the top of the section and it will be given extra attention for a front page posting.  This helps your lazy editors and readers, directing attention to the preferable posts.
  • As is the case with any thread, the discussion within should pertain to the content of the FanPost.  I'll have more on this later. 

FanShots:

FanShots are different from FanPosts in that these are quick posts, usually used for quotes, links, pictures, or videos.  I didn't want to single anyone out, but this is a great example of what should have been a FanShot -- a link to a story with a quick recap so people know what they are going to read.  

Same idea here with the "Rec" link; click it if you like it and feel it's worthy of being atop the FanShots section and possibly, on the front page of the blog.  You'll notice the FanShots publish as bluish boxes.

For both FanPosts and FanShots you can have anything you post immediately linked to your Twitter account (if that's your thing).  You can get your Twitter linked to your username in your profile settings. 


Commenting: 
We are going to come up with some guidelines (elaborating on the current "don't be stupid"), so that we can have something in place to fall back on if things ever get out of hand (although I'm hoping that won't be a problem).  For the most part, I think we're capable of being mature and realizing that this is a basketball community where we talk about basketball and treat everyone's opinion with respect.  With the guidelines to come, we're not trying to be fastidious dictators; we just want to make sure potential newcomers who could add value to the community are not being scared away because they see certain individuals calling each other effing douches and making nonstop ad hominem remarks. 


HAVING SAID THAT, here are a few general tips about commenting: 

  • You'll notice that you can have the comments refresh automatically, so you'll never have to manually hit refresh again.  When a new comment is posted, the person's user ID pops up in the lower right hand corner and you can click on that to go directly to it or hit Z.  
  • Hitting 'Z' will also help you sift through all the unread comments and mark them as read, so you'll never have to read them again if you don't want to.
  • If you have something to say to someone else's comment, reply directly.  There is a "Reply" link there for a reason.  This indents your response, creates an easy to read thread within the thread, and makes rummaging through the comments much easier for everyone (and will be particularly helpful when there are a lot of comments).  If you don't use it, there's a chance someone will never see your reply.  
  • Similar to clicking "Rec" on FanPosts/FanShots, you can "Rec" a comment and it will tint it GREEN! (which is the default color, I think).  The "Rec" is a little harder to find, but you'll see it staring you in the eye if you click the "Actions" link to the right of "Reply."  Three Recs will change the comment's color and will obviously give the great comments their due attention.  (Note: This is the new way of saying "+1" but you're welcome to say that, also (to draw extra attention to it), but it's not really necessary anymore). 
  • Try to stick to the discussion.  Game threads will obviously be a little more loose, but if there is a post about trading for T-Mac, nobody should be talking about Gilbert Arenas' Wild Wild West showdown with his teammate or what you had for dinner the night before (unless you can make a reasonable argument that Arenas' guns and chicken alfredo will help bring T-Mac to Detroit).   You get the idea. 
  • If you're not near the computer, you can still be apart of the community at any time by commenting from your mobile phone, assuming you have the internet on it.  It's pretty easy and you can access all the same commenting features.  
  • For format guidelines you can click the "Show Formatting Guide" link to the right of "POST."  That will help you learn how to italicize, bold, quote, make lists, etc.   

There's a chance that I'm missing some stuff, so if I am, then add it in the comments.  I'm hoping this will help clear up some things for any of you who had questions about the cool features here at SB Nation.  The tech team is always trying to improve the platform, too, so if you have any suggestions on enhancing what is already in place, leave your thoughts in the comments. (Note: We're currently working on the color scheme and sidebars with the tech team).  

FanPosts are user-created posts from the Detroit Bad Boys community and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of all fans or the staff at DBB. The DBB staff reserves the right at any time to edit the contents of FanPosts as they reasonably see fit.

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Try to stick to the discussion. Game threads will obviously be a little more loose, but if there is a post about trading for T-Mac, nobody should be talking about Gilbert Arenas’ Wild Wild West showdown with his teammate or what you had for dinner the night before (unless you can make a reasonable argument that Arenas’ guns and chicken alfredo will help bring T-Mac to Detroit)

Good luck policing that one :)

by brgulker on Jan 3, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

While the decision is up to Matt and Packey, I think we should allow the community to police itself re: on/off topic.

by Mike Payne on Jan 3, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the really nice things is that the DBB community does an excellent job of self-policing. The standard has more or less been that Matt W has stayed out of the way and employed the editorial ban-hammer very rarely. While the fact that we’re on the SB Nation platform now may invite more trolls and/or juveniles, I’d hate to have a rigid structure in place that inhibits our (the community’s) established standards.

by Other Matt on Jan 3, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And not much of the old way is going to change
While the fact that we’re on the SB Nation platform now may invite more trolls and/or juveniles, I’d hate to have a rigid structure in place that inhibits our (the community’s) established standards.

You hit the nail on the head — we’re going to grow and we’re going to get more trolls and/or juveniles. We just need to have something in place for those people who can’t adhere to the old DBB ways. Any commenting guidelines will be more of a formality, than a “rigid structure in place”

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by Packey on Jan 3, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

the general rule of gamethreads is more or less a self policing thing anyways...

it’s hard to police gamethreads, which can get quite big on SBNation sites due to the commenting features. It wouldn’t make watching the game much fun for Packey or Matt W if they had to watch every single comment on a gamethread.

Commenting guidelines generally apply more to the actual posts than to the gamethreads/openthreads.

Right?

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by madpoopz on Jan 3, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

on/off topic

We just want to make sure people are talking about basketball, that’s the main thing. If we have 100 comments in a game thread, there shouldn’t be 75 about a date you went on last night or something completely unrelated to the Pistons (although as long as it’s basketball related it should be okay). That’s more of a preference, not so much a strict rule.

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by Packey on Jan 3, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But what about a date that you took to a Pistons game? Eh?

by Birdman84 on Jan 3, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If that were the case...

I would make sure to brag about it anonymously on a website, without offering any evidence of my assertion.

Though, I might make a FanShot about it; I’d hate for such an important event to get lost in a game thread.

by Birdman84 on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haha

I think it’s implied that your date would be unrelated to the Pistons, but if you were wearing a Dumars jersey, I definitely want to know if you went up her/his shirt.

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by Packey on Jan 3, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I like slam dunk shots………..when they’re within the context of SB Nation’s many features.

by garrettelliott on Jan 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Another thing to remember...

and Ian was always saying this at BYB…Fanposts can be used to create your very own open threads if theres a day you just want to talk with people about whatever.

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by madpoopz on Jan 3, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah this is a pretty good idea

And I know Matt W has put up posts for open discussions in the past… I was talking particularly about specific posts and sticking to those topics. This is just an example, but If the post is about CV’s post play, we probably shouldn’t have an in depth discussion on the Golden State Warriors. It just doesn’t make sense and it’s something we could have a separate post on to make it easier to find, as the site’s readership is inevitably going to grow.

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by Packey on Jan 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the more I think about it, the less I want any kind of guideline...

…aside from “don’t troll, don’t use hateful speech, don’t outright attack eachother”.

As DBB’s most numerous commenter pats myself on the back, my pride was always in the fact that this community policed itself. If, after some time, that doesn’t work anymore, then maybe its worth looking back into this issue. Until this point, natural community moderation has worked just fine.

Is it an SB Nation rule to have a set comment policy— beyond what I stated above in quotes? If not, is it really necessary? Forgive me if there is some rule suggesting it must be so, but if not, added restrictions don’t appear to add meaningful value to a community that is steeped in vocally policing itself.

Could new asshats come along and mess shit up? They have since day one— and notice that they’re not here any more.

by Mike Payne on Jan 3, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

and Packey

Note that I’m speaking as a “commenter” and not an “editor” in this context. I don’t mean to step on anyone’s toes to mention my own thoughts publicly, but I feel this should be a community decision first and foremost.

by Mike Payne on Jan 3, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the idea behind 'don't be stupid'

But I think it’s encouraged by Tyler (SBN creator) that communities have something clear in place to fall back on if things do get out of hand. I don’t think it’s required by any means, though. I actually think your three rules would be sufficient with maybe a little definition of what might constitute trolling, hateful speech, and outright attacking someone.

I thought I mentioned this in another comment to kind of put everyone at ease, but I must have not posted it — this won’t really apply to any of us. Hopefully, assuming we do self-police adequately, the guidelines will virtually never exist. They will only be visible for n00bs who join the community and have to click “OK I agree” or whatever when they first join. I hope that it won’t get to the point of needing to say to someone, “hey clown, look at our guidelines or be banned” (and that’s why they should exist in some fashion I guess), but if that never happens then we’ll never need to point people to them once they do join the community (and probably all old DBBers have already joined). Does that make sense? I’ve been up all night….

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by Packey on Jan 4, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

small suggestion...

obviously commenting guidelines are a hot topic and the disadvantages/advantages of which are both pointed out so far. I guess I have a suggestion…why not make a commenting moderator?

I know that there are 2 managers and 2 editors already here, but it helps to have someone more in touch with the actual community here determine what is most appropriate as content here within the posts. Really the candidate would need to be involved within the SBNation community not only here but abroad. This is an SBNation blog afterall and all the blogs run kinda similarly on this network.

I know you guys are members here as well but the moderator would more or less be a peon above the peons. Kinda like my boss at work. More connected to the community, knowing the type of discussions the community likes and thus seeing when the discussion is going no where.

Ultimately the banning of members should be the decision of Packey or Matt W, but determining off topicness or general stupidity should be that of a community member.

I’m thinking there maybe a general fear that procedure could make things less relaxed and too purposeful and that maybe a banhammer could be dropped to easily. Really I’m just saying the judgement of an established community member could prove useful.

(just as a note…I’m not suggesting myself for the job because it’s not even a job yet. This is just a suggestion. I will do it though if our Supreme DBB Overlords like it though.)

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by madpoopz on Jan 4, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

heck...

maybe the editors could have a duel role here.

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by madpoopz on Jan 4, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Dueling Editors

They would fight each other? This sounds like a good idea to me.

by Birdman84 on Jan 4, 2010 5:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not a bad suggestion at all

But I think this would defeat the purpose of a self-policing community…

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by Packey on Jan 4, 2010 5:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus

The four of us will be pretty in touch with the community so we’ll be able to handle something if it gets out of hand and nobody else handles it

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by Packey on Jan 4, 2010 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i liked the way things were done on the old site

but enjoy the features of this new site a lot as well.

when it comes to on/off topic i dont really mind if a game thread goes off on tangents, though i can see why people dont like it. i used to enjoy coming home after work and having a giant page of comments to scroll through while cracking a beer and unwinding after work. i like the fan posts though it would be nice if ones that were similar to each other would be merged into a single thread for the sake of convenience.

all in all i come here for the analysis of the commentators who i feel are knowledgeable, funny and have lots of interesting points and ideas. as long as the community doesnt change i will be a loyal dbb’er.

p.s thanks packey for being active and accomodating of all the new faces here who are getting used to the new features. you have been very helpful.

by dandresden on Jan 4, 2010 1:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad I'm helping..

I’m really trying to make it easier for you guys since the switch is more of a culture shock for all of you than it is for me and the handful of regular MTSM commenters

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by Packey on Jan 4, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100% ...

… with Packey’s original post, as well as most of the reader comments that have followed.

The primary reason anyone will be policing “off-topicness” is simply so that no one’s analysis gets lost in the shuffle. Between regular posts, FanPosts and FanShots, there are literally dozens of posts/topics surfaced on the front page at any given time, so trying to establish a predictable order for where people can find (or re-visit) various discussions should help everyone.

Game threads are clearly one of the most popular/engaging features of DBB, and like all conversations, it’s impossible to predict exactly what direction they will go. So think of it this way:

- if you find yourself writing a lengthy response to someone’s comment not directly about the game, consider posting it as a FanPost, either before you hit submit or after you publish it. (ie, “I originally wrote this as a response to so-and-so’s comment, but to make sure everyone has a chance to see it, I’m also posting it here.”)
- if you find yourself sharing a funny/interesting but off-topic link in the Game Thread, also consider posting it as a separate FanShot.

For those merely scanning the comments, I’ll make this final point bold, because it’s probably the most important:

Ideally, I’d like to push engaging FanPosts / interesting FanShots into the center column on a semi-regular basis, but that’s impossible to do if that analysis/commentary/link is merely posted as an off-topic comment.

by Matt Watson on Jan 4, 2010 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

My One Issue With The New Setup....

Is kind of what you described, Matt. On the old DBB, I always knew the action was happening in the first (and sometimes second) thread. It seems like a lot of the comments are scattered all over the place and I’m opening 5 or 6 different threads to find the new posts. Or scanning all over the main page for the little “3 new posts” note. Am I doing it wrong? Is there a better way to track the current topics, or do you just have to click around a lot?

by garrettelliott on Jan 4, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I don’t think there’s a way to create a “most recent comments” sidebar module, but I’ll poke around. I know what you’re describing — I basically scan the entire page looking for the “X new comments” messages, as well.

by Matt Watson on Jan 5, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you fellars.

If there could be a “most recent comments” sidebar, it’d make life a LOT easier. Like, as in “worth SBN to develop such a widget if it doesn’t already exist”.

by Mike Payne on Jan 5, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there is such a widget either

I see ‘most commented’ but those would just be a list of game threads. I’ll see if “recent comments” has already been recommended to tech on User Voice system…

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by Packey on Jan 5, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

RSS Feeds!

Not a perfect solution, but there are RSS feeds for Fan posts, Fan shots, and Front Page posts.

by brgulker on Jan 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hating the change.

It’s depressing. Everything is scattered and it’s a hassle to find the "action.’

The new look is corny.

I already feel like we’re being managed. The old DBB never felt that way.

Concerning on/off topic: Go with the flow. The “conversation” will go where it goes. Some of the best stuff is off topic. Yes this is a Pistons Basketball blog and the main focus is Pistons Basketball but let the people be the pulse of the community. Sometimes it’s nice to talk about something other than basketball.

by Rotten Atom on Jan 5, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

A couple things

We can’t please everyone with the look, but we’re trying to please as many as we can. Right now, we’re waiting on the tech team to change some colors around to bring back the dark DBB look. No matter what tech allows us to get away with, this platform far and away outweighs any look you might be familiar with.

I agree everything is more scattered than what you’re used to, but it’s not really a hassle to find the action — it says “X new comments” under any post that has new comments. Even so, we’re working on getting the tech team to create a recent comments widget for the sidebar so it’s easier for readers to see, in one place, where the most recent action is.

I don’t know how to react to you feeling managed. Matt and I are the “managers” of the site, so our job is to manage the content and make sure everyone is getting the most from these features. Discussions won’t & shouldn’t change. I’ve been a reader of DBB for a long time and, of all the comments I’ve read over the years, I don’t think there’s been problems with at the very least getting back to basketball discussion when it sometimes gets a little off topic. My little rule is a reminder that nobody wants to read 70 comments about your girl issues and letting all new readers we get (which will happen) that this is a basketball site. If you want to talk about random things, by all means feel free to start up an Open Thread in the FanPosts, they can be there for that, too. And as I said, this is more of a preference simply to keep things organized and help people sift through comments and find the meat easier than it is a strict, we’ll ban you if you don’t, rule.

I’m willing to do what I can to help anyone not comfortable with the change… just let me know.

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by Packey on Jan 5, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

… let the people be the pulse of the community

That’s really the goal of the entire platform — our intent with this post wasn’t to “manage” the community so much as explain all of the different features of the new site. I’d suggest not getting too depressed/disappointed until everyone actually gets comfortable in the new digs and starts taking advantage of everything, which is designed to let the best content (whether it comes from editors or readers) float to the top. Once things start clicking, things will (hopefully) feel much more organic.

Either way, thanks for the feedback.

by Matt Watson on Jan 5, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I’ve come around to SBNation. I was skeptical at first, but there are a lot of great features here, and comments appear instantly (as opposed to waiting and waiting and waiting for the server to accept them).

by brgulker on Jan 6, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I see some new colors around here.

very…red. Guess I’m just used to the traditional SBNation color schemes. I’ll adjust.

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by madpoopz on Jan 7, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

I noticed it, too. I like the grey blockquotes quite a bit, actually.

by brgulker on Jan 8, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad you guys like it!

by Matt Watson on Jan 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey...

Someone needs to tell Yahoo that we’re not MTSM anymore.

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by madpoopz on Jan 8, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

Sent a message about that to tech last week

… they have 240 blogs to manage, so I doubt that’s up there on the To Do list, but it’ll get done.

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by Packey on Jan 9, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I sent the request to Yahoo this week - it was at the very top of my pile

We were waiting to couple it w/ a few other blog name/url/logo updates we requested.

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by Trei Brundrett on Jan 10, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

fancy.

direct reply on the board from tech. Another reason to like SBNation.

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by madpoopz on Jan 10, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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