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The Only Magic is in Orlando: Magic 91, Pistons 86

What Happened:

The all too familiar.  The Pistons fell behind by as many as 15 early and battled back to make it respectable, even being so kind to tease us a little into thinking they might steal one.  

The Pistons had a chance to take the lead with less than a shot clock left in the game, but a Rip leaner inside 10 feet with 18 seconds left rimmed out.  Tayshaun grabbed the rebound and kicked it to a wide open Ben Gordon, but his three came up short and into the hands of Rashard Lewis, who was fouled and subsequently hit both free throws.  

That gave the Pistons one final chance to send the game into OT with a three pointer, but an all of a sudden gun shy Gordon made a bad pass in traffic, which resulted in a turnover, another two free throws for Orlando, and another Pistons loss -- their fifth in a row.  

The Good:

Jonas Jerebko.  Plugged back into the starting lineup for the first time in almost two weeks, he didn't really miss a beat.  He scored 16 points (five during the instrumental comeback in the 2nd quarter) and had nine rebounds.  He was a team-best 2-3 from downtown.  As always, his constant hustle is what stands out most (I was informed when I entered the game thread because I missed the first three quarters live, and then witnessed it when I watched the replay after the game).  

The Bad: 

There's no hiding Ben Gordon's sub par performance.  He was signed to be the Pistons youthful sharp shooter and a guy who could carry the team on his back in the clutch, but he was 2-11 (0-4 from three pointers) and didn't make it very far when the Pistons planted the game on his shoulders late.  He had not one, but two chances to be the guy Joe Dumars so highly coveted (and paid) during the off-season and failed. I'm willing to give him a pass because he just returned and has been battling the injury bug for the first time in his career, but bad is bad and Gordon was bad.  

The John Long Unsung Heroes:

Rodney Stuckey and Tayshaun Prince.  Both played key roles in the Pistons making this one competitive.  Prince had 12 points and nine rebounds in the most minutes played for the Pistons.  He was a team-best plus-3 and his three pointer with just under a minute left kept the Pistons in it, giving them a chance to win/tie it in the end.  There's a good argument out there for him to fall under 'The Good.'  Most importantly, I think majority would agree that this game could help his trade value.

For all the grief he got early in the year (and I'm definitely guilty of giving him some tough love), it's becoming increasingly clear that the Pistons are at their best when Rodney Stuckey is on the floor.  He was even in the plus/minus, but he played the biggest role in the 2nd quarter comeback, scoring six points and assisting on three baskets.  He finished with 18 points (10 on free throws) and seven assists.

Quote of the post-game: 

"Part of me thinks if they put five 10-year-olds in Pistons jerseys out there, we’d struggle" 

- Stan Van Gundy speaking of the Magic's futility against the Pistons (via OPP

The Takeaway:

I said this back at the beginning of January: 

We can probably clear up any cloudy playoff forecasts by the end of January, after the 'stons complete their last major home stand (six games). 

Well, tonight's loss means a 1-5 record on the home stand -- 15-31 overall.  That's now good for eight and a half games out of the 'coveted' number eight playoff spot.  We're free falling down the ladder of a smelly Eastern Conference sewer and now only the rats Nets are below.

Yeah, the forecast is pretty clear now.  Where's that Adopt-a-Prospect thread?  

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Illusions, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money.”

by Mike Payne on Feb 1, 2010 2:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

*Sees Kids*

…Or cocaine.

Jonas Jerebko - the Tiger Woods of Swedish Basketball

by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 1, 2010 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe we should just make this an Arrested Development quote thread? It would be more entertaining than our team right now.

by garrettelliott on Feb 1, 2010 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

measures out rope, kicks stool

by Laughton on Feb 1, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate losing

There better be some silver lining somewhere.
I swear, 13 or 14 more losses like this one and I’m outta here!

by Laughton on Feb 1, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Jonas Jerebko is the silver the lining. I’m not sure if that’s enough to defer the rope and stool, though.

If Daye gets the chance to develop over the last 20 games, there could be more there as well.

Other than that? There just isn’t much.

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I love that Swede.

I watch him play and I see a guy who at the very least is going to be a spark for this team for the next few years. And he’s growing too. He’s developing an offensive game to go with his rebounding.

by madpoopz on Feb 1, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

He’ll be a good combo of Big Ben’s hustle and Tayshaun’s smarts. If his offensive game develops over the summer, he may even become better than Tay, at least IMO.

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's my question:

Is Kuester in “win now” mode? If so, why? The Playoffs aren’t possible at this point.

Looking at the minute distribution from last night tells a familiar story, one that seems to imply that Q thinks we’re in the Playoff race and needs to play his “best” players as much as possible. The only bench player to play more than 15 minutes was Gordon, 25 minutes (Max 15, Chucky 13, Wilcox 8, Daye 4).

Rip played 37, Tay 38.

IMHO, even if this team were winning, ~32 minutes is about right for Rip, at most. Same for Tay, perhaps a little more.

But we’re not winning! Under Flip’s regime, we all lived with riding the starters — because the starters were all in their primes and very good as a unit, we were always battling for playoff position, and there just wasn’t a lot on the bench to go to.

But now? We’re lottery bound, and we’ve got several prospects who need minutes in order to develop. What sense does it make to ride Tay and Rip loss after loss after loss? Let the young guys play. The worst thing that could happen is we keep doing what we’re doing — lose — right?

Let’s figure out if Stuckey + Gordon + JJ + Daye + Summers make sense for this team over the long term. Rip and Tay clearly don’t, and everyone knows it. As much as it sucks from an fan standpoint, it’s time to move on.

(Or perhaps this is all moot, and we’re playing them to showcase them for trades… time will tell. Even so, 30 minutes is plenty for that, and it would leave room for other guys).

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

This is where Dumars must intervene.

It’s a quandry because of the vets’ trade situation- but I would put the rookies out there, and play who’s healthy. Dumars has to hand the orders down.

He should be playing Summers, as well. If you want to get value out of him, play him and play him to his strengths. There’s another element to GM’ing besides winning the game in front of you. That’s marketing your players for sale. Play Summers and the rest of the rookies- Package Summers and the Vets in february. See who bites.

"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden

by Skylar on Feb 1, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's safe to be patient with Kuester and his lineups

until the trade deadline— then switch it up and do exactly what you described, seeing what we’ve got with our rookies.

by Mike Payne on Feb 1, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I hear you. I also wonder if the orders are coming up from higher up the food chain …

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

That sounds a lot like tanking

I understand the logic of your argument, but would throwing the rookies out there necessarily make them better? What if what they really learn is that it’s okay to stop trying as soon as they start losing? I want to see the rookies play as much as anyone, but I think it is actually more important to play as tough as we can every game.

by bugman222 on Feb 1, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair point

I don’t think experience inevitably translates into improvement. I also think it’s possible to throw a young guy out there too early and damage his confidence.

But my argument was a little more nuanced. I didn’t argue in favor of benching Rip and Tay, just limiting their minutes to under 30. That strikes a good balance, I think.

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Tanking is what Doc Rivers did... what the Cavs did.

They all gave up.

I don’t think playing who you drafted over some seemingly burnt-out vets who know they’re on the trade block is tanking, but I’m not a GM or coach. I don’t see them as the same.

Playing tough is imperative… I’m not seeing that on a nightly basis, is all.

They should kick the shit out of the Nets tomorrow night though.

"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden

by Skylar on Feb 1, 2010 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

i dont think its tanking either

if you arent playing for a playoff spot you are playing for a draft pick. whats the point of playing rip and tay 40 mins a night? put daye, jj and summers in and see how they play. they are the future of the team, let them get plenty of minutes with stuckey and see if we can build on them going into next year. theres not really much of a difference to me between a 30 win season and a 20 win season. it might suck to watch but watching rip and tay out there sucks pretty bad right now anyways.

that drew gooden quote is hilarious.

by dandresden on Feb 1, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The return of small ball

The Pistons were leading and in a position to win the game until… anyone?… ok, I’ll let you know the exact moment it started going down-hill.

Q-Star pulled Jerebko. The lineup in crunch time was Stuckey, Gordon, Hamilton, Prince, and Maxiell. WHAT? Didn’t Kuestar WATCH any of the games last year?

This is EXACTLY what got the Pistons in trouble last year. They went small with TP at PF. Voila! They can no longer get rebounds, and instead of getting second chances off their jump-shots, they get one-and-done.

I realize Jerebko had to rest; I think he had played the entire 3rd quarter and the first few minutes of the fourth. But, playing Prince as PF and Maxiell as C is a sure way to get pounded.

This really just goes back to the bigger issue: this roster is completely unbalanced. Too much talent and money is invested in the guard positions and not enough in the PF/C positions.

FIX THIS MESS, JOE!

by Big Z in Orlando on Feb 1, 2010 3:44 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yessir. It’s broken. No lineup is a winning lineup right now.

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

On the bright side of all this

I feel like we have a legitimate shot at an elite player for the first time in 7 years or so.

by Trysdor on Feb 1, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Alright, time to have a go at this...

Rodney Stuckey has
been playing better lately
but Pistons still lose

Fail?

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

when Rodney plays well
the Pistons are not so bad
do not tell Mike Payne

by brgulker on Feb 1, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Pistons still flounder
I drink my wine
and Wait for the draft

"I’ve had to overcome a lot of diversity." — Drew Gooden

by Skylar on Feb 1, 2010 8:43 PM CST reply actions  


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