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Thoughts From The Open Practice

Surprisingly, I made it to the Open Practice on Saturday and took notes while I was there so that I could offer as much insight as possible to those fans who couldn't make it.  The theme this year's pistons seems to be "lineup chaos", but watching this practice made me think some things are certain.  

 - This will be a year where the whole NBA gets to know Austin Daye's name, and begins forcing it into horrible puns

 - Outside shooting should be one of our strong points

 - Greg Monroe is more raw than I thought, made more mistakes than I expected, and yet I was even more positive about him than before.

Star-divide

Starting Line - Ups

White     Rodney / Rip / Tayshaun / JJ / Wilcox

Blue       Bynum / Bengo / T-Mac / CV / Moose

 

Game 1 

The game starts as cheers of 'SHEEEEEEED' are slowly wane.  He exits (perhaps to talk with Joe about a contract?)

First thing I noticed was that Ben Go guarded Stuckey the entire time he was on the floor, leaving Bynum to be guarded by Rip.  This matchup was so comically mismatched that Rip was clearly smiling and laughing the whole time they were on the floor this game.  Summers came in for rip and alleviated this somewhat, but no one tried to take Bynum in the post.  I guess this is why it is the preseason, and not really serious.

One of the first plays of the game sees Ben Gordon lead the break only to throw an Alley-Oop to Monroe who finishes with the sickest two handed layup ever.  Monroe had flurries of activity and mistakes this game.  One time he leads a 3-1 fast break only to end it when he makes the wrong pass.  But he keeps hustling.  Another time he gets his hands on what looked like a Jerebko rebound only to miss the layup. And miss the putback.  And rebounds his miss and passes it out to bynum for a new possession.  

T Mac dribbled around a lot, missed some jumpers, made some passes.  Then he came out after 3 minutes and didn't play again. He was replaced by Daye (foreshadowing?) who hits a corner three and runners in the lane like he's playing summer league. 

Turnovers were happening all over. Monroe and Stuckey had notable ones.  Blue team was much better at turning them into points.

The Award for Best Turnover goes to Charlie Villanueva, who thought Jason Maxiell would let him finish with a nice little finger roll in traffic.  Maxiell swatted the ball against the backboard and immediately devoured an infant, while Charlie V put his head down and internally grumbled.

 

Game 2

Big Ben started this game and Rip sat out entirely, but the teams stayed the same.

This game was the game that Chris Wilcox forced every one to say "Ike who"?  Agile around the basket, got a solid post up on Charlie (probably the best one by anybody all game), and hit open Jumpers.

Bynum is still in, and Bynum is still intense.  He runs the second unit the whole game, telling everyone what they need to do.  They take Stuckey out and put V. Hamilton on Bynum for most of this game.  The guy harasses Willy B., but  Bynum stays unfazed, and actually leaves the Hamilton on the floor before dishing to a perfectly positioned Monroe.

Despite early mistakes I like Monroe more and more.  He stays around the basket, receiving dishes and quickly gets them off the glass into the basket.  He is definitely good, maybe not superstar-good, but definitely piston-good.  He works hard for the ball when he is near it, he stays in motion when he isn't near the ball, and he has enough skill to do what needs to be done when he gets it.   

Daye owned this game.  On the wing he mixed Tayshaun with a crossover before taking the ball in the lane and finishing across the rim with a lefty finger roll.  A couple plays later he takes a bad pass out of the air, leads the break, and threads a sick pass across the lane to find Big Ben (who was finishing everything out there).  Corner 3...All Daye.  Makes me think McGrady might as well get cut if Daye is doing the same stuff.  

Charlie V almost made a sick alley-oop, and was hitting jumpers all over the floor.  He also looked like his jersey wasn't hiding a beer gut, and like he was ready to get up and down the court on each play, I'll say it was a summer well spent.

Terrico White played here two, he hit a three and got eye level with the net for an Alley-oop, but otherwise blended in.  

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And then finally I saw Ike Diogu on the floor...wait for it....when the team came in for the huddle!!! otherwise he kept the towels folded.  After the game Rip took the house microphone and thanked everyone for coming (not Kuester, not Stuckey). 

That is what I noticed, what stood out to anyone else?

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I though Maxiell played well, eating babies, active on the glass, general badassery – I think he’s going to be an important physical presence for us this year.

by Shinons on Oct 2, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a note

Sheed cannot sign an NBA contract out of retirement until next summer. If he works with the Pistons, it will be in a coaching capacity 100%. This could be a very good thing, and Sheed could continue his record of technicals with a seat on the floor :)

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by Mike Payne on Oct 2, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I love the idea of Monroe fusing the tutelage of both Big Ben and Sheed. The in-game intensity and hustle of Big Ben and the really technical unguardable post-moves of Sheed in practice. I still wish we would have brought on Lambeer in some capacity, too.

by JoeDip on Oct 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d for tutelage

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by Mike Payne on Oct 2, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, folks...stop with the "Sheed as a Coach" nonsense.

High BBIQ? Don’t doubt it. But he quits. He doesn’t try hard. And if things aren’t going right, he matters far more than his team. I’m still sticking with my “If Sheed kept in shape all season as he was paid $6 million to do, the Celtics would have been NBA champs, despite the injury to Perkins” spiel.

Someone that selfish and with a history of packing it in when he’s not happy couldn’t possibly be an effective coach at this level.

(Mind you, I don’t often watch NBA basketball, since the regular season totally bores me. So that does kinda discredit me. But I still swear I’m right!)

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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 6, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with MHM. As much as I appreciated what Sheed brought during our peak, I think he’d be too much of a distraction on the coaching staff.

by garrettelliott on Oct 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree I don’t think he should be an assistant coach or head coach, without a dramatic change in approach … however plenty of teams employ position coaches (e.g., Ewing in Orlando) to work with specific players and/or positions. For all his faults, Sheed was an excellent one-on-one post defender, and I could see him being an excellent tutor for that position.

by brgulker on Oct 6, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kareem in LA, working with The Wrong Bynum.

by -PS- on Oct 6, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for "The Wrong Bynum"

There's no justice like angry mob justice!

by bugman222 on Oct 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps it will catch on…

by -PS- on Oct 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

A reasonable argument

I"d still be wary, but in a limited role with clearly and lightly defined responsibilities and pressure, he could be very good.

Actually, that’s ’Sheed’s playing career in a nutshell.

Still, the guy gave every impression of not playing hard when he didn’t want to. Could he really coach NBA millionaires?

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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 8, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a Need 4 Coach Sheed.

by -PS- on Oct 3, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me.

A fuckin’ disaster. And they complain that Laimbeer may not have the temperament? Laimbeer never decided not to play hard.

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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 6, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Despite his selfish meltdowns, the one thing that his teammates have always said

is that he’s great teacher. Regardless of his selfishness on the court, this is one thing that seems to hold true.

As an assistant coach, your only job is to assist in the teaching of the game in any way the head coach directs you to. Its not like he could just get up and leave…could he have a meltdown and get t’d up? Maybe…but I doubt that he’d be as crazy on the sidelines with the calls going against players on his team rather than on himself.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Oct 6, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

if he could get Monroe saying "ball don’t lie’ it would be pretty awesome.

Where in the world is Chris Wilcox?

by Kriz on Oct 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw

Austin Daye

Where in the world is Chris Wilcox?

by Kriz on Oct 2, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Too much DBB?

I overhear this Old Man telling his son “The Pistons would never get rid of Rip or Tayshaun they’ll stay here forever” I say to my brother next to me “Too bad the Tayshaun might just leave, this is his last chance to get any money with this contract and if Detroit doesn’t give it to him why would he stay? Remember Ben?” The old guy says “You’re right, we kept Ben too.” I try to hide a puzzled look, and he continues. “Besides, Tayshaun knows how to guard all the other players in the league.” Then he taps his head and points at me as if he just clued me into some secret insider info. I turn back to the action to my brother who then says “Is that the rookie?” as he points to Chris Wilcox.

At that point I wondered “Does everyone around me knew far too little about the Pistons, or do I know far more about the Pistons than can be considered normal.”

by tads on Oct 2, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

yeah people say dumb shit like that all the time.

you gotta mentally face palm shit like that sometimes.

by dandresden on Oct 2, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't it be cool

if the Pistons signed Tracy McGrady?

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by Mike Payne on Oct 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way!

I’ll tell you what though. Otis Thorpe would really round out this roster.

by Alex_Be on Oct 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of run into the same scenerios...

Very few times I run into a person who actually knows what they are talking about.

And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue

by DBB Diablo on Oct 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why this is such a great site. You guys actually watch basketball, pay attention, and basically know what you’re talking about. It’s fantastic.

To experience the consequences of my own choices. This is why I live

by JumpingBlob on Oct 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really agree

As I mentioned above, I don’t actually enjoy watching regular season NBA, and anyhow, I live in Asia and wouldn’t get a whole lot of opportunity. But I love reading this site, and even occasionally chipping in.

When people ask about what sports I’m into, I quickly respond, “College football and reading about the NBA.” And I do most of my reading here.

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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 6, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I run into this alot..

accept I generally talk baseball. You guys are who I talk basketball with.

by madpoopz on Oct 4, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball is the one that once you walk away from it,

you are gone forever.

Up until the early 90’s, baseball was it for me. As a 25 year Cubs fan, I never quite recovered from that goddamned ground ball rolling through Leon Durham’s legs in the 84 playoffs. And by the summer of "85, I was in the bleachers at Tiger Stadium at least a dozen times a season.

But something about interleague play and the extended post season turned me away. (I love that the "78 Red Socks won 99 games, were clearly the second best team—by an eyelash—in baseball and didn’t even make the playoffs, because a light hitting shortstop hit a pop fly that the wind blew over the Green Monster.) My final pitch as a fan was Mitch Williams to Joe Carter. Will never forget Molitor’s tears as he rounded the bases or Carter’s huge boyish smile.

The problem with baseball is that if you take a decade off, it’s so hard to come back. Obviously, being a huge and knowledgeable basketball or football fan enhances the viewing experience. But baseball all but demands a certain amount of expertise to get more than a passing joy out of it. It takes no great sophistication to oooh and aaaahhh at LeBron’s moves or Adrian Peterson’s punishing quickness. But baseball is soooo slow and so immobile. Now that I couldn’t name more than 30 players in the majors, I find it hard to watch. The game was made for “Do you send Whitaker? Probably not…Thompson is a dead pull hitter and you want to keep the hole open for him? Yeah, but Tiant’s got that slow, winding delivery, so if Lou can avoid that pick off move, it should be smooth sailing into second, especially since Fisk just has a bad shoulder. Plus Tiant coaxes all those ground balls from the power hitters” type of conversations. I miss that a lot, but don’t have the time or the access to refamiliarize myself enough to be able to do it again.

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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 6, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of a few years ago when I was at the Palace

and the guy behind us said to his friends “That Carlos Arroyo is a good assist-er!”. Then he started yelling for LB to put the ’Cic in! As in, Darko Milicic.

All the time relaxed.

by Supa Dupe on Oct 5, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Thoughts on the Open Practice

McGrady looked passive.

Daye looked great (Tayshaun looked good too).

Maxiell did indeed eat CV’s baby.

Noticed that Villa/Monroe were paired with Ben. Bynum and Gordon were paired with Daye/TMac. Stuckey, Rip and Tay were together as well.

Terrico continues to impress with his shooting. Pulled up off the dribble on a three. He looked like Ben Gordon.

Monroe looked like he was thinking too much. Held the ball too long when he got it in the post. But had a nice pass to Daye in the corner after he caught in on a pick and roll.

by Quick Darshan on Oct 3, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t mind those moments if you see a young/new guy thinking too much. It hopefully means that Monroe knows he’s got some things to learn and is trying to implement things that are being thrown at him right now. I saw Charlie V have a few of those moments on defense last year that gives me a little hope still. I can’t wait to see if he’s improved… though I’m still glad Maxiell crushed him! Don’t pussy foot around CV, eat babies like Maxiell!

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by JumpingBlob on Oct 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest take-away

is just how awesome the smallest player on this team is. I loved that motherfucker from day one during Summer League, and he’s been my favorite stone (love to Ben and Jonas) since. Rock.

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by Mike Payne on Oct 3, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

good stuff

i took a few pics, 95% happen to be of T-mac (fan boy here), but i did happen to turn my camera into video mode just in time to catch T-mac throwing the alley-oop to Charlie, we have a lot of confused Pistons fans, after Austin Daye scored i heard a fan shouting “yeah tayshaun!” then again…its not that hard to confuse skeletor jr. with skeletor

by mcgadget on Oct 3, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Really Really hope Roscoe comes back and coaches

you can wear two headbands if you want man just sign here it’s all in the contract.

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Oct 5, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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