Pistons Down Clippers 113-107; Maxiell Holds Impromptu Free Throw Seminar

Wonder what it will take for us to unleash him on some starting power forwards?

i say bravo cv

Cause we would win.

If Will Bynum doesn’t play like a man who’s all talk about challenging Stuckey, OT never happens.

Because we win.

If Tayshaun Prince doesn’t shoot WTFallways and have bad iso plays ran for him, OT never happens.

Because we would win.

Why don’t you criticize the guys who did very little to help us win before you criticize the guy who did a whole helluva lot to help us win?

Charlie Villanueva’s “duty” is to help us win God damn games in whatever way he can. Tonight, it was his offense. Yes, maybe another night we need his rebounding and THAT’S when you get on his ass about rebounding or lack their of. And that’s a discussion for a different night. But not tonight. This dude deserves all the praise in the world and you leave the rebounding stuff alone because tonight he did far more to outweigh it. He played solid defense and provided tremendous offense when we couldn’t buy a bucket. He did more than anyone else on the court to help us win a game, and that’s more important than whether the box score is 30-1 or 15-10.

And don’t try to diminish his performance by calling it borderline “luck.” That’s fucking ridiculous and you know it.

yeah batman 2 was the one that got me laughing. my gf was like “some guy must really love batman” i instantly rewound it and laughed my ass off.

They did play together for a little while…might have only been a couple of minutes. But I remember it happening…it happened, right?

I think we’re on the same page. The team’s issue is that about half of them play well together, but nobody else plays well outside of these people. And of course, because the coach is a fucknut that couldn’t adjust for a monsoon.

Rip and Tayshaun aren’t even trying anymore.

I meant as in both him and Ben Wallace. Ben I can understand, but T-Mac I don’t get in the slightest.

I don’t know how Synergy complies their numbers, but even assuming they’re correct— the fact is CV’s awful rebounding means the Pistons lose possessions and the other team gains possessions. Against this current crop of Piston defenders, possessions = points. So, even if CV’s individual defense has been good, his lack of rebounding negates that positive contribution.

When the hot 3 point shooting streak comes to an end, on his current track, CV will be a worse rebounding Keith Van Horn-clone.

Echoing what Gabe said, and prefaced by the fact that I don’t have access to Synergy sports or have any understanding of how they compile everything you referenced:

I’m not opposed to Charlie shooting 3’s. In fact, his 3PT% is probably the only thing he’s done that’s kept him on the court this year. As Gabe noted, he’s shooting piss poor from everywhere else — which indicates that his post game hasn’t worked yet. But I’m getting sidetracked.

The point I want to make is that Charlie V plays PF, and thus he competes against other PFs. In the NBA, the best rebounders (and hence best possession creators) tend to be PFs and Cs, because big guys tend to get rebounds and thus possessions for their teams (and I’m ignoring blocks for the moment, which Charlie is just meh at). Charlie V is averaging 5 and a half boards per 36. That is god awful. His TRB% is under 10%, which is mind-bogglingly bad.

What Charlie V has done relative to shooting well has helped our team. There’s no doubt about that. But what Charlie has failed to do relative to rebounding the ball at his position has hurt our team, and there’s no doubt about that. I don’t see the schemes Q draws up — maybe it does impact Charlie’s rebounding, that’s a fair point to raise.

What I do see is what Charlie actually does on the floor and the numbers he produces while on the floor — and his two worst rebounding season in his career have both come in Detroit, and this season is almost unbelievably bad.

If rebounding matters relative to winning (I think it does, because you can’t win without getting the ball and keeping the ball from your opponent), and if you have a PF who doesn’t rebound much at all (which Charlie doesn’t), then you’d better have excellent rebounders at the other 4 positions (which we don’t, apart from Wallace and TMac, both of whose minutes are quite limited).

Is Charlie the only one? No, of course not. But if someone is going to claim he’s been the best player on the team, then it’s perfectly fair to point out that he’s the absolute worst rebounder on the team relative to position played, and it’s fair to question whether that fact outweighs an uncharacteristically high 3PT%.

Seriously, your act is already getting old. I still don’t see your criticism of others, just Villanueva, in a game where Villanueva was by far our best player.

You wanna bitch about Charlie’s rebounding, make a fanpost or something. This is the last place it should be.