Rodney Stuckey and John Kuester Feuding? We've Seen This Before
by Matt Watson on Nov 4, 2010 7:49 AM EDT
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Rodney Stuckey played just 13:30 minutes on Wednesday, sitting the final 21 minutes after halftime. What gives? John Kuester apparently opted to send a message after Stuckey ignored the coach early in the third quarter. Justin Rogers of MLive.com describes the odd turn of events:
With Atlanta Hawks center Al Horford shooting free throws early in the third quarter, Detroit Pistons coach John Kuester attempted to get Rodney Stuckey's attention by calling out his name. Stuckey didn't flinch.
Kuester got up and called out twice more, a little louder in case his point guard didn't hear him the first time. Stuckey continued to look straight ahead, appearing to ignore his coach's summoning.
Not willing to tolerate the apparent insubordination, Kuester subbed Stuckey out and glued him to the bench for the remainder of the game. As the situation was unfolding, Tayshaun Prince and Ben Gordon looked on, shaking their heads in disappointment. Whether they were upset at Stuckey, Kuester or both remains unclear.
What's most frustrating is the fact that Stuckey's benching clearly cost the Pistons -- as Mike Payne described in the recap, after building a 48-44 lead at halftime, the Pistons were outscored 37 to 50 in the second half, with most of the damage coming on Atlanta's 14-4 run in the final five minutes.
Hopefully the drama resolves itself soon so the coaching staff and players can focus solely on winning and player development, not grudges and power plays. To their credit, neither Kuester nor Stuckey aired their frustrations in the media -- Kuester cut his press conference short before he could be asked about it, and Stuckey went with the bland yet safe, "It is what it is" answer when prodded.
For the vast majority of his career, Stuckey has avoided attaching himself to any type of controversy -- I can't recall anything remotely similar -- so it's easy to write this off as temporary frustration. But at the same time, should we be surprised?
Stuckey's been an intimate observer of teammates clashing with coaches his entire career. As a rookie he witnessed the cold Rasheed Wallace / Flip Saunders marriage; as a sophomore he lived through Michael Curry vs Allen Iverson vs. Rip Hamilton vs. the world, and last year he saw the beginning stages of what now seems to be a fractured Kuester / Prince relationship.
For all he knows, defiance and dysfunction are the expected attributes of this team's leaders. If this were a cheesy 1980s PSA, I'd finish with, "Players who feud with coaches have teammates who feud with coaches."
Will this situation end as disastrously as the previous situations? Considering Stuckey's playing for a contract, I can't imagine he'd risk the playing time. He's a good guy who made a poor decision, and until he becomes a repeat offender, I refuse to hold it against him.
That said, I won't be surprised if frustration continues to fester among other players, especially Prince or Hamitlon, who each must realize he's as good as gone should the right trade offer appear. This is your creation, Joe Dumars. A culture of disposable coaches has permeated this franchise the last few years, and until this crazy roster is balanced or an established coach who demands respect is put in place, these occasional player/coach kerfuffles will likely continue.
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This is your creation, Joe Dumars.
I agree and disagree with this. I think Joe started the snowball by firing Carlisle for LB. Although LB led us to a title the very next year, I think the right decision for the long run would have been keeping Carlisle (call me Captain Hindsight).
Now, what followed I don’t know that you can completely blame Joe for. LB clashed with Bill Davidson. Whenever you clash with the man signing your check, you have to go.
Then, Flip Saunders proved to be a complete dud as a coach. Sure, he put up great regular season records, but it was painfully obvious that he was not going to be able to get it done in the playoffs as a coach due to the rigid nature of his game planning.
Michael Curry’s career ended because of Allen Iverson. I mean, when we made that trade, for the most part, I think people (fans at least) were open to it. Then you get Iverson last week saying it wasn’t about starting but just being wanted? Then, the immaturity of our veterans was highlighted two nights ago by the way they reacted to Kuester calling them out. I think that gives everyone an insight into what Curry was dealing with at the time.
But, if JoD wants to break the cycle, it’s time to start offing players rather than his coach. I think the time to find a coach to fit the players is past and it’s time to find players that fit the coach.
One nitpick: Flip Saunders couldn’t get it done in the playoffs? The man reached the Eastern Conference Finals all three years he was in town. It was easy to marginalize that accomplishment at the time, but the last couple of years should have given us some perspective.
The players had as much to do with that
as did Flip. I would say Flip was a step back in coaching since he couldn’t accomplish as much with a relatively similar cast. That’s not to say that 3 straight ECF isn’t a great accomplishment, but the expectations were high and he couldn’t cut it. The last couple years for us had more to do with a poor and unbalanced roster than anything else, MCIAFI aside.
Didn’t Flip actually accomplish more than LB? Like, more wins, better efficiency, players had breakout years, etc? Sure, he didn’t win a championship, but that’s as much luck as it is skill. A few bad bounces, bad calls, missed lay-ups, whatever and you’re done for the year.
by garrettelliott on Nov 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the "not repeating" was on Flip so much as the bench
Our bench sucked after 2004. Yes, we had a great starting five, and we still did even after Ben left with McDyess, but in 2004 we had Okur, Corliss, Mike James, and a still frisky Lindsey Hunter coming off the bench. After that we had, well let’s see, the highlights were probably Los Dos, Delfino and Arroyo, and they were/are mediocre at best. The starters in the Flip years played way too many minutes, but that’s because the bench players, when they were in, routinely gave up leads.
The debate back then was, “is Flip failing to develop our bench players, or do they really, basically, stink?” I think time has proven that it was at least mostly the latter.
We still went to the finals in 2005 with a weak bench, something that we couldn’t do years after with Flip. We even had the best record in the league with a weak bench and flamed out in the playoffs. I think that has a lot to do with coaching.
I remember getting destroyed by LBJ because Flip had the guys playing zone the entire time while LBJ would just drive right to the hole and dunk possession after possession.
Which is exactly my point
falling apart against teams they shoud’ve beaten in 3 straight ECF is not improvement, so yeah, he didn’t accomplish more than LB. The regular season doesn’t mean much when you flame out in the playoffs the minute you face strong competition.
Flip was an excellent coach. My only compliant about him was his inability to develop the bench — and that is probably just as much about the players not becoming who we thought they might as anything Flip did or didn’t do.
The two main reasons we didn’t win it under Flip, IME, are pretty straightforward. First, great as Dyess was as a Piston, he couldn’t replace Ben Wallace. No doubt about it, the Going to Work Pistons were grounded in Ben Wallace’s dominance on the defensive side of the ball. We never dominated after he left. Second, lack of depth. Come Playoffs, our rotation shrunk, often because it had to in order to win — which took a toll on the 8 guys who played big minutes.
I don’t think you can blame Flip for either of those directly. We were a great team under his leadership … and while I agree it was time for him to go when he did (the players had quit on him, it appeared), I think he did a wonderful job while he was here.
I agree with brgulker with a minor caveat
2005-08, we didn’t have 8 good guys for even the shorter playoff rotation. With guys 7-8 in the rotation, it’s not that they were tired from major minutes, it’s just that they really weren’t very good.
If you have an excellent starting five, that’s not a huge problem against most teams. But in conference finals, when the other starting five is really good too, it hurts when the other team has a better bench and your starting five are all or mostly all tired, or one or two is having an off night.
It doesn't help that we had random games where we simply didn't show up.
Key turning point in the 2008 ECF: Game 3.
Just handed Boston their first home loss of the entire postseason.
They hadn’t won a single game on the road during said postseason.
And then we just come out really half-assed. Like, no urgency at all.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I was there.
I was at a rib cook-off which was pretty good, too.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i am not regular enough at dbb
but sweet baby jesus on high that seemed like a comment ripe for comments…
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first off, caveat is overused...
althou a great big word so keep using it. i think the problems the team had was what they have now, not respecting the coach. flip was a pussy. brown unfortunately didnt know what he had til is was gone or could have had a ring or two more >and now is coaching the mfg BOBCATS!!!!
curry, keuster…nuf d=said
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Good Sir, I disagree!
I don’t think any of the teams that beat us in the ECF had anymore depth than we did, except for maybe Boston, but even then, we had them and gave it away.
funkydonut
man i cant gt too angry with you only because of your name! I dont disagree that we didnt have more talent, i just felt that our coaching wasnt where it needed to be. larry brown, for what ever he is, kept shit reigned in. flip and the rest just couldnt. too many big personalities to deal with. thats where a team like the lakers keeps winning…there is only one personality besides the coach to deal with…good luck heat
I smell a troll
we're saying the same thing
check a couple of my posts above from earlier today.
And yes, my screen name is awesome!
Where you at, caveat?
“Caveat” probably comes from me being a lawyer/law professor. Boston had more depth, but my point wasn’t that it was always there bench players outplaying ours. It was also our starters being dog tired (especially Tayshaun) because they played so many damn minutes in the regular season and then even more in the playoffs — because our bench sucked. So maybe some nights when it appeared our starters “didn’t have it,” fatigue had something to do with it. Also, even the best starters even when they are rested have some off nights, for whatever reason. If you have some quality subs, that’s not as big of a problem as when you don’t have quality subs.
Flip was an excellent regular season coach
Fixed that for you. Flip was a horrible playoff coach. The 2007 playoffs were so abysmally coached by Flip I was surprised he wasn’t fired that summer. Dude did a great job in the regular season by allowing a team that doesn’t need coaching to pretty much run its own show. But as soon as the time came to pull back on the rotation and actually make important coaching decisions, dude became garbage.
I still contend, to this day, that if Flip properly managed the rotations and used his bench in the 2007 playoffs, we would have at least made it out of the East. The Pistons were so tired (ironically because the starters were over-played), so weak on both ends of the court that they severely needed to up the tempo and find someone to do shit in the paint. Maxiell was our most productive player per minute in those playoffs. Every time he gave Maxiell minutes, this happened, and the stones stayed competitive and/or excelled. In the Cleveland series, when Maxiell was on the floor the Pistons were at their best on both ends of the court. I was so furious with Flip after that series. We basically gave it away because he didn’t trust his roster or apply it properly to the opponent.
After that playoff exit, Dumars mandated that Flip use his bench and give them extended minutes in the coming season. This would both rest his starters and develop the team’s youth. Flip did this for roughly 82 games. Then he stopped in the playoffs. Then he got fired.
Flip was a really poor playoff coach, and much of his credit for being a great regular season coach came from getting the hell out of the way and letting an amazing team run itself.
For Jonas!!
amen
i hated those years…the stones were like the hawks are now. absolute dick teases.
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Another bad memory from the 2008 playoffs.
The Sixers about ready to go up 3-1 on us, and the only person that gave a shit was a broken-nosed, vomiting Antonio McDyess.
I see Boston heading down the same road, with Rondo being the only major difference.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a great example to show why Flip is often unfairly criticized. So many people want to blame our falling short on Flip, but most of the time in the playoffs the only player who consistently gave a shit was Dice. Everyone else who mattered had already been there so many times they took it for granted and no longer really cared. Some people think we should have kept Billups and gotten rid of Flip sooner. But I’m just the opposite. I would have had no problem keeping Flip and blowing up our core a good year earlier. Once our players stopped caring about winning it all, I stopped caring about them.
There's no justice like angry mob justice!
Problem is that a good coach can motivate his team.
Doc Rivers is a terrible X’s and O’s guy, but at the very least he knows how to get the blood pumping for his team.
If you can’t get your players up for the ECF, you’re just as much to blame as they are.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This Was So Obvious At Minnesota
Even though he was the best available to coach to replace LB, I’m surprised Dumars hired him anyway.
by V. on Nov 5, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess we'll never know, but
MP: the question remains, did the bench suck because Flip didn’t play them / use them correctly, or did the bench suck because, well, the players on it sucked. You make a fair point about playing Maxy more in that series. But beyond that, I’m going with “the players on it sucked.”
Trout: McDyess was so great in so many ways. One of my fave Pistons ever, even more for character than for skill, although even post-injury, his skills were impressive.
And Matt, What Was The Benchmark For Success?
Certainly more than 3 ECFs.
by V. on Nov 5, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Kuester should probably go...
I like the man and hope he gets another shot somewhere where rebuilding isn’t an associated word, but he needs to be let go from Detroit.
I really don’t think any of the situations presented right now are Q’s fault in any particular way, most of the blame falls on JOD. Even an established coach would have a hard time taking a bunch of young players playing out of position and make a winning product out of them. The big difference is that an established NBA head coach (with emphasis on head coach) has a track record that he can fall back on that even the most unruly of players can’t disagree with.
Do I have any suggestions? Not really. But we really wouldn’t be hiring til next season any way. Plenty of time to figure it out.
Man
there are many probs with the stones i cant even start, but i agreeeeee wholeheartedly that a good, longterm coach would help. do we really, seriously think that two rookie coaches in a row will use our veterans and make them happy in a team that basically sucks?
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and that's another point...
even just keeping a coach at this point is an improvement. Hell, keep Kuester.
Reverse Psychology...
Joe D says, “Hey players, no matter what you do I ain’t firing Kuester short of a sexual harassment case.” Then he’d turn to Kuester and say, “learn to work with them or they’ll make your life a living hell.”
Refuse to change anything and they either continue to play like shit or they learn to play with each other. Moose is essntial in this plan. He’s cerebral enough to understand how all this works.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That may actually work
Come to think of it, I’m surprised Joe hasn’t done this already. He needs to teach the players who is truly in charge
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by bearded thundar on Nov 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
my next idea...
is that Kuester walk around brandishing a pistol during practices.
that’ll scare the shit out of somebody.
but then you’d be effectively banned from the palace
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by bearded thundar on Nov 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
why would I be banned?
Kuester would have the pistol, not I. at least not visibly. Afterall, what good is a CPL if people can actually see it?
terrible pun
“scare the shit out”
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by bearded thundar on Nov 6, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a Blunderbuss would get Kuester's point across better.
And I think there is a grandfather clause on bringing weapons to the Palace that makes blunderbusses exempt
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I like it!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
a trade
I have a solution…trade a package containing rip,chuckie v and stuckey to denver for carmello and (argh) k-mart
So, they take on two expensive contracts and Stuckey, and we get an awesome scorer and an expiring.
I’ll give someone else a shot to panda this.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ehh, we've been over Carmello many times
And most people here would agree that he is very overrated
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by bearded thundar on Nov 4, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
do you indeed have a large beard?
but zes, i agree that he is overrated, amying scorer but never going to change a team…but what if we had drafted him? i am unsure, much like a panda might be
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it is november
It shall be done by the end of the month
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by bearded thundar on Nov 4, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ok d sugar
you think we will get carmello by the end of the month? or do you mean we will aquire a 20 10 shot blocking monster who happens to be, in fact, a red panda? i would in this case, shit my pants….happily
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think alliterations
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by bearded thundar on Nov 4, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
???
sorry if i offend. but being an english junkie i would happenstance curiously query your questioning my diction.
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No Shave November
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by bearded thundar on Nov 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crybabies
I dont rememebr Joe D Isiah Laimbeer and Mahorn crying like this. It really is unbelieveable that a professional player wont listen to his coach. Let alone 2 or 3.
but they were also winning games/championships
and Daily had the team under control. Kuester is not winning, has lost respect from his players, and to top it off, the roster is poorly constructed which magnifies any coaching deficiencies.
They havent even given Kuester a chance.
Its the players that are the babies. They dont listen. Oh and Monroe IS A BEAST!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 4, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point, Bennie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Laimbeer at the head of the bench by the end of the season.
No one argues with that man.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
i agree
Laimbeer might be a question mark. He’s inexperienced, but it would be hard to believe that he wouldn’t get the players to listen to him. And if they didn’t he wouldn’t mess around. It’s the coaches fault if he can’t control the players.
There are of course other options. Laimbeer might not be the best option, but I wouldn’t be opposed to it either.
Mike F*cking Singletary, dude.
Remember, grown men don’t go for the tough guy shit.
by TDP on Nov 4, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
Those players dont listen to Singletary anymore.
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you.
I have a hard time believing bill laimbeer’s ego and “tough” approach would be successful.
The fact that the only thing you give Laimbeer credit for is his ego and toughness is kind of ridiculous
He won what 3 championships with the Shock, 2 playing for the Pistons, and is in his 2nd year of assistant coaching for a guy who used to play hard minutes against. If Laimbeer’s ego was that big, do you think he would report to Rambis?
Avery Johnson pulls the tough guy bullshit and despite being 3 feet tall it worked for him in Dallas for a good amount of time. Personally, I’d rather have a guy like Laimbeer who has the resume to back up his toughness and has the attitude to not take shit from players but at the same time understands and respects his players over a guy like Curry who flat out lied to his players to avoid confrontation.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Furthermore
Laimbeer works his ass off even though he had some seriously rich parents. I’m sure he could Reggie Miller his way into some commentary job or just post up on a beach somewhere, but he doesn’t. He works his ass off working his way up the ladder because it’s his dream to coach an NBA team. For him, it’s not about the money and that’s what I’d want barking at my lazy ass players.
You have my sword, Boourns, and my recs.
from all indications
he is as much of a hothead as a coach as a player, and not wanting to seem too macho, i wonder if dudes would give him as much respect as female players >god did that sound as dickish as i think?<
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I think simply he needs the time to grow up for HC.
He should hired as assistant and pass over several years.
And then he become the HC with some respect from the players.
Where broken English happens
I mean it would definitely help for him to get more experience than Asst. Coach to Kurt Rambis,
But we still hired MCIAFI with only 1 year of assistant coaching so Lamb already has more experience than him.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I think being assistant coach to the guy who makes those 2K11 videos on youtube might be better than Kurt Rambis. Dude is benching Kevin Love right now
Darko is the future.
If you haven’t figured that out by now, well you’re clueless. [SARCASM’D]
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Daly
was THE man…besides that i think in the past teams listend to their coaches more. i am not the biggest joe d hater but one thing he has done is instilled the lack of respect for coaches…you dont mess with rick adelman, you dont screw with sloan, you definitely do NOT fuck with phil jackson. hmmm, filp, curry, kuester….not so much
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If last night's game taught me one thing,
it’s that Greg Monroe needs to be getting 25+ minutes per game every night.
1) He wasn’t the defensive liability that we all expected him to be (he was playing against a very stout frontcourt in Smith/Horford and definitely held his own)
2) The offense seems to run better as he can post high and have people run off him offering actual floor balance or post low and look for his own shot
3) The passing skills are obviously there and for a team that struggles to create shots for one another, this should be essential
4) Dude has a serious nose for the basketball. Two plays in particular come to mind:
- CV drives the lane and goes for a layup…Monroe is on the opposite side of the hoop in the paint which on layups is typically where the ball comes off when a player goes up too strong. Monroe recognized that CV was being defended tight and anticipated the ball coming off short. He rolled around his man right behind CV’s shot and grabbed the offensive board
- Loose ball foul on Horford in the 2nd half…the ball was off the rim long in the middle of the paint, Monroe was close enough to get a hand on it but he waited and allowed the ball to be tipped again either by Atlanta/Detroit. He anticipated the direction of THAT tip and jumped to meet the ball crushing Marvin Williams and drawing a foul on Horford.
So yeah last night was disappointing, but I’d argue that Moose played a great game. His FG% would have been slightly higher (and o-rebounds slightly lower) had he not missed a couple bunnies in a row but what he showed last night, to me anyway, is extremely promising.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
yup
I’m sold on Monroe right now. He just better keep it up. Nobody questions his skills, it’s his desire that has been questioned.
I’m with you on Monroe. He’s making rookie mistakes. But the mistakes I see all look like things that will disappear once he gets some experience and catches his stride with the NBA game. Though I don’t know if he’ll be great or simply good.
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yeah...in fact, his mistakes look like things that he's smart enough to correct within the season
as opposed to in a matter of years. I think if he continues to get consistent minutes now, he could be a dark horse for rookie of the year. Won’t happen if the Pistons are terrible, but if he keeps his head down and keeps pushing out those rebounds and making smart plays with the ball on offense, I think he’s got a real good shot.
I think what I was actually most impressed with was his ability to take the ball to the hoop from the high post either with a series of back to the basket quick moves or with a quick step around his defender. He had a few like that in the 2nd half.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
agreed on the timeline. I like players that look smart enough to adjust and not continsuously make bone headed plays 4 year down the road. But I can’t imagine any rookie of the year talk. He’s got competition in Griffin, Wall, and Mr. Controversy. Grabbing some headlines is gonna take a lot more minutes than the Pistons will probably give him.
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+1 for crushing Marvin Williams.
I still think Moose should start alongside Big Ben, but maybe he’s a better fit with CV?
by garrettelliott on Nov 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
how could it not be a good idea to get both Daye and CV off the court?
Monroe should get time at PF next to Wallace. I’d like to see it.
I would like to see Daye come off the bench behind Tay and McGrady back up Gordon while Rip is out. As far as who should start next to ben im torn. CV is better for instant offense off the bench, Jason has been inconsistent but has mainly been playing out of postion at center, and Monroe has proven he deserves playing time, but if he gets into foul trouble early and ben needs a rest that leaves just cv and jason for center which i dont like. Im all for playing monroe and ben together at the end of the half and the game though, but starting I dont know what would work the best
he gave us a real chance to win last night
just imagine if he had a point guard out there with him to distribute the ball to him in the post. I couldn’t be happier with his last two showings. GO MOOSE!
MOOOOSE!!
give him credit…he is reacting to people calling him lazy, no motor whatever. he is our future, just like daye and jerebko bynum etc, etc, and because no one else will i think terrico white will be dominating shit soon too. if i am wrong no one will remember…but if i am right i will bring it up daily
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the atlanta game
would of been a great game to get White into had he been healthy. ANYONE would’ve been better than Summers. He was out there trying to be McGrady of old.
RIP Sparky
Since this thread is about coach and player conflict, I think it’s worth noting the passing of one of Detroit’s greatest managers and greatest player advocates. Sparky Anderson passed away earlier today—http://detnews.com/article/20101104/SPORTS0104/11040457/1004/Hall-of-Fame-Tigers-manager-Sparky-Anderson-dead-at-76. Thank you, Sparky Anderson for great memories, great teams, and for being a great supporter of Detroit. I look forward to the times when our sports teams find similar leadership that inspires our teams to play with the skill and the love of the game that your teams always did. You are missed already.
by ToledoHill on Nov 4, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
before i was a pistons fan
i was a hardcore tigers fan…they absolutely dominated like the pistons did. i remember 1984… trammell, whitaker, morris,wilcox, brookens with his crazy ass handle bar moustach, lemon,darrell evans, larry mf herdon and aurelio mf senior smoke lopez. and let us not forget kirk MF gibson. that was a team to make detroit proud like the 2004 pistons did. and Sparky, he was he MAN. seeing the shit going down with Kuester it makes you realize they do not make coaches like they used to. A BIG MOMENT OF SILENCE for Sparky, one of the best, ever.
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If Stuck was intentionally ignoring Q, then Q has my support 100%. I have zero respect for insubordination.
by brgulker on Nov 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
A comment from a computer, not my mobile...
What I’m trying to say is this. I think that what we fans often perceive as “chemistry” is a byproduct, not a cause. In simple terms, good teams that win a lot are often perceived to have good “chemistry.” I think what we’re seeing in terms of conflict between players and coach is the opposite of that — bad teams that lose a lot tend to bicker amongst themselves and place the blame.
Take Kobe and Phil in LA. All’s good during the 3-peat. Shaq leaves, they start losing, and they want to kill each other. Andrew Bynum + Pao Gasol + Championships later, they’re besties.
If we’re 5-0 right now, none of this happens. Unfortunately, our roster is a Kluesterf*ck coupled with several years of coaches behind undermined by ownership and management. Hence, this.
dude i get ya
chemistry is a bitch. and we have had basically no chance of developing it.new players and bad>unexperienced coaches plus weirdly stacked rosters and players who do not want to be here. it was great to see tay give effort last night but then stuckey sits out….wtf. botttom line is rip and taye are being professionals but dont want to be on this team, and i cant blame them. joe d needs, NEEDS, to ship them out asap or else monroe will be our new darko or okur
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Also, lack of defined roles for the players
I agree that losing creates “chemistry” problems whereas winning solves them. But it’s also gotta be frustrating as hell for the players — including seasoned vets like Rip and Tay —not to know what their role is. Meaning everything from minutes, to what situations they will be in, to who they will be on the court with most of the time, to what positions they will play.
From the ‘02-’03 season to the ‘07-’08 season, the roles were incredibly well-defined. Since then it’s been chaos. I know that’s not all or even mostly Kuester’s fault: it’s mostly a product of injuries and an unbalanced roster. But I’m sure that doesn’t help with the players.
totally agree
we went from a totally rock solid starting 5 for YEARS to no semblance of coherency. every player wil tell you minutes dont matter but i cant belive it doesnt fuck with there heads.maxiell goes from 20 plus and playing ok to zero. how are you going to be ready for that?
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minutes don't matter
when your winning. guys like rip can’t sit on the bench and watch the other team go on a run, they always have the mindset that they need to be out there. i don’t think even kobe minds sitting on the bench as long as the backups hold there own, but if they start falling behind he’s gonna be itching to get in the game thinking it wouldn’t happen if he were in there.
dont totally agree
kobe is ok with less minutes if the team is winning but i cant imagine him being cool with winning when he doesnt drop 20….nice idea but these dudes are programed to score. winning for them is them winning, not the scrub bench. if luke walton scores the game winning three when he could have kobe is gonna be PISSED.
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I’ll give you Kobe in that he actually believes that the Lakers are HIS team. But with Teams like the Pistons it doesn’t matter as much so long as they were involved in the game and someone made the winning shot. If you feel you aren’t being involved in the game and your team is getting killed, you’re gonna be frustrated. This doesn’t happen when good coaches sub in and out properly for match ups and based on in game perfomance. Not you got 20 minutes last game and played well, tonight… take a nap.
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i don't buy that kobe would be pissed with luke walton hitting a game winner
if it happened all the time, then maybe he gets jealous.
but with kobe a 5 time champion, 2 time finals mvp, regular season mvp, 3-time all-star mvp, etc. etc…. and having a reputation as a closer… i highly doubt he’s upset walton hits a game winner… he’d be happy
he’s looked genuinely happy when ron artest and pau hit game winners last year during the playoffs
winning trumps all, especially when you’ve established yourself (which he most definitely has post-shaq)
couldn't you say then
that bad players = bad chemistry. not that kobe and shaq got along all that well. it’s bad chemistry because the pistons don’t have any players good enough to step up,
I put more emphasis on our roster being built more like oatmeal than a steel beam. Mainly because of the 7 year old problem of not finding a center.
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God I wish we had his 14.3% FG percentage on our team right now...
That stat is a bargain at $5 million a year.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
this is a mutherfer
no two ways about it. whether it is coaching or team play things are getting ugly. as well as rip and tay play i think the will NEVER be happy playing with what amounts to a scrub team compared to what we had 2004. joe d had his chance to make changes and continue the championship hope but it did not happen and hanging on to rip and tay seems like a kick in the teeth not only to them but to the pistons as a team. big ben is different, he realizes his legacy as a player was with the pistons and wants to ride it out. joe and his signings of bg and cv seem still like a grasp at trying to recreate 2004…as big of as a piston fan as i am i am starting to lose hope
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Pistons
I think we should fire our current coach and hire Laimbeer. We should also trade rip, charlie v, and Maxiell to Denver for Carmello, K-mart and Affalo. Should have never let him go to begin with reminds me of Allan Houston some. Then trade Tay to LA for Kaman. Start new.
if we get rid of Q
i think we need to go for a proven coach…carlyle, brown, murray, curry, kuester…..the only coach that worked was one that didnt cave in to the players. why dumars is so hesitant to hire a GREAT coach since brown i dont know.
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Money.
We’re still paying Curry not to coach.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that
was the big reason why we didn’t bring in Avery Johnson right?
by Taiwanese Tora on Nov 4, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We offered him a two year deal, he wanted four years.
Something like 4 years, $18 million if I recall. We offered two years, $8 million.
To be fair, while Avery would be a better coach than Kuester, I honestly don’t like Avery Johnson much as a coach.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Concerning Dumars point on waiting to pay for a coach.
Did he really have no faith in the team two years ago when he hired Curry. We had just nearly won the ECF again and rather than hire a great new coach he goes for MCIAFI then gives up by dropping Billups.
// Wanted one more year.
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I am not convinced
we are paying bad coaches, only that since larry b for some reason the players have no respect for the coaches, i think q could still do alright, but never great. there is a reason why the great teams keep doing well. spurs, lakers, jazz..they believe in their coaches.
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well yeah
i completely agree. but what do you do if the players don’t believe in their coach? keep trying until you find one that they like? get an established coach? those are hard to find. if the players don’t buy in then the coach is worthless imo. he’s just there to be there, which is the case we have now.
A competent coach making the right moves at the right time will gain the respect and loyalty of the players.
It’s really quite simple.
The issue right now is that no one really seems to be taking the onus on themselves to accept criticism and attempt to grow from it. Instead, it’s just a terrible back and forth of “You suck!” “No, you suck!” with no one really willing to accept their criticisms. It doesn’t matter if you’re a good player or a bad player, if simply won’t call a spade a spade you are going to struggle. Guys like Prince have a hard time accepting this because they’re veteran players and they’ve been on successful teams. Therefore, they have their own ideas on what makes a quality team, and any thing that goes against that is immediately dismissed.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
its a tough time now in he league where players are more respected than coaches. the phil jacksons of the league still have a shot at controlling young superstars but the kuesters of the league cant even control the stuckeys
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i cant help but think there are 2 options for the season
1> the players get pissed off in a good way and the vets show the youngins how to carry the team to the future or
2>everything blows up. the young players become disallusioned while the vets drag the team down because they cant handle anoher losing season
solution> joe d. deal your vets NOW. rip and tay are doing their best to be on a young team but we all know their best years are best served on winning teams. i dont think we should really care for equal value cuz they are killing us mentality wise looking forward. 2004 is long gone. in a lot of ways i think rip and taye would be HAPPY if you traded them..do it . NOW
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Yeah I don’t think either want to be here anymore. Prince probably wouldn’t even sign an extension at this point. If he doesn’t get dealt he’s walking. I don’t see him coming back. Rip and the Pistons might be stuck with each other though.
rip
altho i LOVe the dude for all he has done, needs to get moved…i honesty think stuck an bg could make a killer backcourt from a few of the games they have played, and i think a clean slate would help bg and cv immensely. they were brought in to change and revive he pistons but they havent ever gotten the green light to do so…seriously imagine the mindfuck…“you have been brought in to revive the team but we are not gonna play you much cuz we have older dudes that have to play” honestly i think if we moved tay and rip and had bg, cv, and daye in the starting lineuo we would play way better. maybe even get get monroe in there. we are not the pistons of 2004. move on.
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It's Dumars fault, full stop
He’s let the SG logjam continue for 2+ years and it’s killed team chemistry.
Trade Rip and Stuckey for Antawn Jamison. Both teams would be improved by moving albatross contracts from the frontcourt to backcourt and vice versa.
And I don’t blame Tayshaun Prince for complaining. The guy does everything from play PF to PG on the team, he played a zillion games in a row and wrecked his back for the franchise, and he’s got a ring. Stuckey’s done nothing for Detroit yet he’s treated like he’s the future. Stuckey’s not the future, he’s the present and the present sucks. Deal him.
Ewwwwwwwwwwww @ that trade.
If we’re going to move Rip for a bad contract you don’t:
A) move a young asset.
B) get a player that’s a bigger defensive sieve than Villanueva.
I’d rather go the Elton Brand route, because then you realistically could play Brand with anyone and he’d compliment them pretty well.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
jamison
might be all we could get for Rip. if we could even get that. wouldn’t be horrible. not stuckey and rip, but rip/wilcox or some scrubs.
philly has iggy and turner, and brand is playing well. and he’s their only good front court player. we have no shot at brand. might have last year, but not now.
If Jamison is the best we can, I still say no.
All he does is further hinder the development of Monroe.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 4, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
Jamison and CV would play PF and Wallace and Monroe center. It just gets Daye out of the front court.
by mcflies on Nov 5, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Monroe is not a center.
And secondly, there’s no point in trying to salvage this season. A couple extra wins isn’t worth it, especially since what we really need is a top 3 draft pick to build around. If we’re going to make a move, it’s gotta be one that allows us to go into full rebuild or makes us contenders. This “in the middle” stuff isn’t what we need and it’s going keep us there. It’s bad enough we have so much money invested with so little results. Adding Jamison doesn’t do enough to make it worth the while.
I agree that Rip needs to go. But not for the sake of taking on another bad contract that makes our chances of landing a true franchise player even less.
Terrence J. is feeling a bit fishy...
by Trout Jefferson on Nov 5, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your assessment of our needs
But:
Monroe is not a center.
I was on that train from far before dude was drafted. But the way he handled Horford last night (who himself may not be a true center) gives me faith that it could possibly work in time.
For Jonas!!
I’ll give you temporary or matchup based at the moment. Waiting for more Howard, Gasol, Lopez’s, Perkins, etc matchups.
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Agreed...but if Monroe can maintain his foot speed and lateral quickness
(not saying he has a ton of either which is why its that much more important to maintain what he has) while putting on another 10-15 lbs of good weight, then I think he’ll have what he needs to bang with Perkins, Lopez, and Gasol. I have a hard time with saying anyone has what it takes to bang with Howard. As far as physical specimens go, the guy is in a class of his own when it comes to the Center position.
Greg Monroe: 6’11" 253 lbs
Kendrick Perkins: 6’10" 280 lbs
Brook Lopez: 7’0" 260 lbs
Marc Gasol: 7’1" 265 lbs
Pau Gasol: 7’0" 227 lbs
Dwight Howard 6’11" 240 lbs
Nazr Mohammed: 6’10" 220 lbs
So Greg really isn’t undersized at all to be playing against the majority of the centers in this league…even less so if he puts on another 10-15 lbs.
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I don't think it's weight
but more so how he uses his weight and getting in position. He’s not light by any means.
I honestly think he can learn a lot from having a guy like Sheed in his ear. I wish we had him as a mentor for the young fella.
i am actually shocked all those guys don’t weigh more…
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Nov 5, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I thought Monroe handled himself nicely as a center. He certainly took some points from JJ when getting after the ball
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Nov 5, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
His career is too young to be saying what he isn't...
The man has a good skill set, and from what I’ve seen on the court he’s willing to work. A workers attitude is essential in playing the center position, especially when dealing with the leagues better bigs.
benefits
First off there is no guarantee that Cleveland doesn’t laugh in our faces for proposing a trade involving Rip for Jamison, but assuming they don’t – Jamison sucks. So he’s not automatically going to make us playoff contenders or anything. We’ll still suck.
Jamison also expires next season. That’s a $15 mil expiring deal we’d have the rights to. Over the next 2 seasons he would cost $28 million, Rip would cost $34 million because he has $9 mil guaranteed in his last season so assuming we waive him that season he’s costing $17 mil for each of the next two seasons. Savings of $6 mil, and Jamison would be easier to trade next season.
As for Monroe not being a center, I agree, but I don’t think the Pistons do. Langlois has said the Pistons believe Monroe is there center of the future, so I would believe that’s how Dumars feels. And the fact he hasn’t played PF and we are still starting Austin freaking Daye at PF might tell us something.
I'm pretty sure only like $4-5M is guaranteed for Rip
Ultimately though, we’re at what $48M at the end of this year assuming no changes were made and we didn’t re-sign any of our current players that are expiring.
You figure we’ll resign Jonas for somewhere around $3M/year so put us at $51M. If we can move Maxiell and Rip for anything that expires this year, then I think we absolutely need to do it. These guys are all expiring this year:
- Michael Redd ($18M)
- AK-47 ($17.8M)
- Zach Randolph ($17.7M)
- Yao ($17.7)
- K-Mart ($17.1)
- Jason Richardson ($14.4M)
- Peja ($14.2M)
Making a trade for any of these guys would be our best case scenario assuming it involved Rip. Hell, I’d give up Rip , Max, and a future conditional 1st rounder for any of the top 3 guys. Doesn’t even matter if Redd and AK are duplicate positions.
Best case scenario: We make that traade for Randolph, freeing up the cap space we need to then sign Marc Gasol in the off-season…Memphis would single-handedly enable us to outbid them.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
best case
is probably not going to happen. i think it will be a miracle if we can deal rip before his contract is up. i’d love to get one of those expiring deals for rip, but i don’t see any of those teams being in need a an aging washed up 2-guard. maybe utah. maybe.
just trying to think realistically, and jamison seems like a fit.
i read an article that said rip had $9 mil guaranteed. i haven’t fact checked that. assumed it would be right. if it is then i don’t see a team trading for him next season either.
yup $9 mil guaranteed
don’t know why they call it partially guaranteed, they should call it mostly guaranteed.
The more I think about it I started convincing myself that RIP will not get traded this year. I don’t think any teams will bite. He’s hasn’t played well, has been oft injured, and has a bloated contract. Then, you throw in the uncertainty of a very possible lockout after this season and you end up with team reluctant to take that kind of risk for another 2 years after this season.
yeah i’ve become resigned to the fact Rip will be playing out his contract with the Pistons.
still, i get excited about possible ways to get him out of town.
If this is the case, then I think all the more reason to consider moving BG or CV
I would love to give either one of them a chance to succeed but if moving either of them means us signing someone like Marc Gasol in the off-season then I’m all for it.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Stuckey isn't an asset
He’s a restricted free agent that you don’t want to keep on your team. What’s his role? A low percentage scorer who comes in as a sixth man? He’s a good defender with size and some offensive skill but huge flaws too in his low eFG% and high usage rate. He needs the ball to be below average. You win nothing with that kind of player. I’m afraid Stuckey is the kind of player who gets too many minutes on a bad team, not the kind of player who fills a role on a good one.
And Jamison has one fewer year of stink on his contract than Rip. You need something to sweeten the deal for Cleveland.
i think i'm with ya
nothing is locked in stone with stuckey as of yet, but if he’s not going to get better there should already be a predetermined plan as to whether they are going to let him walk or attempt to resign him in place. if he’s not getting better there is no reason to let him even reach the restricted stage. trade him.
i’d take jamison. doing nothing would be a lot worse than making that move.
mmmm not really no.
Trading our only technically point guard for a big at a time when both of our back up point guards are injured doesn’t make any sense.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Stuckey has a role. It’s called SuperSub 6th man SG.
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I think he can be
a very good 2 guard with a traditional PG feeding him the ball. He’s a good slasher type that knows how to attack the rim and is starting to draw more fouls each year. Just don’t have him shoot the 3.
Sure, I’m more of an apologist than most for him, but I don’t think he’ll ever be the player he has the potential to be in this situation. Out of all the players on our team, I think he’ll blow up if he leaves us and plays the 2 guard for another team.
This franchise does not have a good track record for developing young guys. I’ll consider him another causality due to that before pinning him for his faults. It’s managements responsibility to put guys in positions to win, not put guys in difficult positions and expect the most out of them. We can go down the list of all the guys playing out of position here and all the guys that left that are finding success because they are put in a position to win instead of working twice as hard to lose.
He’s a restricted free agent that you don’t want to keep on your team. What’s his role? A low percentage scorer who comes in as a sixth man? He’s a good defender with size and some offensive skill but huge flaws too in his low eFG% and high usage rate. He needs the ball to be below average. You win nothing with that kind of player. I’m afraid Stuckey is the kind of player who gets too many minutes on a bad team, not the kind of player who fills a role on a good one.
I would agree with all this if it were strictly past tense. Stuckey has played very well, except against Boston (and the ATL game I’m not counting at all). It’s too soon to know if the good play is fluke or not, but if it’s not …. well, I think he could be Jason Terry for a good team, i.e., significant supportive role.
Not to go Boney on you
But you being the voice in favor of Stuckey is bewildering.
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Gulks is favoring Stuckey actually play the way he should, as a SG. We gripe about him playing as a PG and see that he’ll be a great rotation player for some team that isn’t the current Pistons and can allow him to play the role he should be playing. If only Joe had traded Rip instead of Chauncey, and gone with Stuckey and Afflalo as our SG’s, we’d be a much better team in my opinion. Then you can subtract the Gordon pickup and have focused on another pg to replace Billups. I hate that so much. Although I did once believe Stuckey and Afflalo would once step ino Billups and Rips shoes respectively.
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Stuckey is absolutely not a shooting guard either
For Jonas!!
by Mike Payne on Nov 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
joeblo
maybe put dumars on the bench, then you’ll see what he really knows. he lost me with darko, billups/iverson was a horrendous mistake and, excuse me, stuckey is a stiff.
Good Write Up
Joe D needs to jump behind his coach now, so that way we can lure a real coach that will demand defense and the players know to respect him. This should be featured.
i read a comment on another blog that rings true…if we want to make shit work with the current vets then hire an experienced coach, if not keep q and start from scratch. q is not necessarily the problem. i go with rip and taye not being happy on the team and that eating away from the rooks and young players. if you were in any other job where you found success and then the company started sucking you would leave, especially if you knew you had better companies that wanted you.
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it be interesting to see what happens to Stuckey
Writers are speculating he will not start and might not even play much.
I know he ignored the coach during the game, but then again, he wasn’t the guy that criticized the coach in the media. So we would have to see if there is something else going on.
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stuckey...
man i have no idea what will happen with the dude. he had unrealistic expectations piled on him from day one. he is no doubt a good player but dumars held him up as a saviour and that can´t be easy. maybe he had a mancrush on isiah cuz honestly afflalo is way closer to dumars than stuckey, and arguably a better player.
I smell a troll
yeah it’s a pretty tough call who is the better player between afflalo and stuckey right now.
also saw Rip is playing tonight. who’s going to run point if stuckey doesn’t play? prince and mcgrady? stuckey has to play.
come on, gulks
you can’t tell me you’re not excited about the 10 game winning streak we’ll put up in April just to fuck ourselves out of a top pick.
For Jonas!!
77-5 finishing regular season record...
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the coach job is to win not lose a game to mack a point to a player want he should of done is at half time pulled him in hallor office and gave him hell about not lesting to the coach and put him back in the game aftear halft time if he didnot listen aftear lat then you bech him aftear that . also he is one of your best player on the roster and you say you want him to be your team laeder yet when he mack a mistack in being the the player you want him to be want do you show up the player yes you are the coach and the players are youer to coach but bye macking your point during the game you show that you donot care about therest of players who are trying to get thie frist win ofthe year plus this 1sttime that stuckey has not loch to you for the offince set call in a game maybee he was trying to show the leadrship roll you have asking by laeding by calling some of team sets him shelf thats want vearn piont gureds due sometimes during the game also you nead tolrt your veartun players due thier jobs in the lockeroom by geting on stuckey about not leting to the coach now you have players having to call ateam meating to get back on same payge with you as a coach not smarts think you can due as coach you want your playears to play basketball not woire if they will be benchend if you fell lick e thier not listing to you .
by kwfords on Nov 5, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Intriguing...where did you say you were from again?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
jesus christ I can't wrap my head around this
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Nov 5, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
this reminds me of a spam email
too unkind four understands complex dogs are you?
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Nov 5, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t even think im capable of writing anything close to that terrible I can however not use periods like professional and wall o texts are some what difficult but not out of the realm of possibility but the ultimate point is that Ive now made anybody who reads this completely waste their time recs to this kind sir or madame greatest comment or greatest comment ever question mark period comma exclamation point you decide is this not exciting I am going to keep writing like this forever now I needed a new schtick outside of the poop jokes and random futurama references and now I have it me and kwfords are now best friends.
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by Biz Markie Moon on Nov 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Kuester is a terrible coach who believes Charlie V is playing “outstanding” basketball. We all know Charlie V & Ben Gordon are the worst defenders on the team. Austin Daye shouldn’t even be on a NBA roster and he starts! STUCKEY is gonna leave like Allen Houston did and Joe Dumars is gonna regret it. We should have hired Avery Johnson when we had the chance. Too bad. It’ll be a miracle if we win 15 games with this weak ass team JOE D put together.
Charlie and Gordon are playing well offensively...
and Charlie is putting forth effort in his rebounding in defense. He’s improved, and is likely to continue to improve. As for Gordon defensively, as long as the net keeps swishing, I don’t give a fuck really.
"stones"
enjoyed y’alls comments on here.been a fan since bing and big bob!nothing can happen til team is sold,so hurry it up!play monroe,lets see what he has for game.agree white can play,will take some time,pt time,not bench time.rip n prince need to go.C.V.also.what a waste of big!1 rebound
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I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
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by Biz Markie Moon on Nov 7, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
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