This is ashame to the name of basketball. from the owner down to the president dumars, and this bargin basment coach. he insists on starting the old guys they get behind 12 to 16 points, he calls time out puts the bench in thet catch up, then he puts the starters back in. what in the hell is he trying to prove? they had chance to get players to fill holes, the rest of the league is growng, and good ole detroit stays the same. pathetic just pathetic, awful terrible. theres only one way to see it as it is. they simply gave up.