Arenas, Richardson, Turkoglu to Orlando / Carter, Gortat, Pietrus, to Phoenix / Lewis to Washington / UPDATE: Now with more Earl Clark!

"The Orlando Magic have completed a pair of blockbuster trades that will send them Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas and Hedo Turkoglu and Jason Richardson from the Phoenix Suns, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

As a prelude to the trade for Arenas, the Magic have agreed in principle to send guards Vince Carter and Mickael Pietrus, backup center Marcin Gortat, a 2011 first-round pick and $3 million to the Phoenix Suns for Turkoglu and Richardson, sources said.

The Magic also are nearing completion on a deal to send forward Rashard Lewis to the Wizards for Arenas, sources said. No other players or picks will be in that trade."

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According to Fanhouse, the Magic also get Earl Clark.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/18/gilbert-arenas-trade-to-magic-likely-expected-to-be-in-orlando/

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions

ESPN agrees.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5932861

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions

What happens to Jameer Nelson?

I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 18, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions

It looks like he’s staying in Orlando.

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions

wow this is really happening?

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions

Here’s how it looks in the Trade Machine.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2wc4w9c

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions

its up at pinstriped post

not that it makes it official or anything but appears this is going down. weird. kinda seems like orlando is taking a mulligan on the whole VC trade. interesting to see how this all works out.

will arenas be coming off the bench?

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions

Not to mention the Turkoglu situation two years ago.

I have no idea what Orlando’s backcourt rotation is going to look like.

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions

yeah exactly. “well ditching hedo for the shell of vince carter didnt work out to well, lets just trade for him now”.

i imagine that hedo will resume the role of point forward with jameer starting alongside richardson. arenas will be the main ball handler with the second unit with reddick to space the floor.

so who’s backing up howard now? they dont have another real center now do they?

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions

Put Maxiell on high heels and send him to them for...

nevermind.

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by Kriz on Dec 18, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions

this is the closing of a chapter in DBB wild trade speculation

from this day forth we will never see the words “send player x and player y to orlando for gortat and player z”

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs

But it’s the BEGINNING of the “trade player x to Phoenix for Gortat!” era.

by garrettelliott on Dec 18, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

One door closes, another opens.

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions

indeed young simba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX07j9SDFcc

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions

Now the Magic have even more surplus guards than the Pistons.

PG: Nelson, Arenas, Duhon, W-Choc
SG: J-Rich, Redick, Q-Rich

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions

and we all know thats the secret to success.

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

Most definitely.

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions

Not to mention Phoenix taking a mulligan on the Turkoglu signing.

I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 18, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Ha my bad dude, I overlookd ya there.

Should have waited ’till after 1 to start drinking.

If only we had a “delete comment” option.

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by Roll The Dyess on Dec 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

If only we had a "delete comment" option.

khandor deletes comments all the time!

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions

This is funny

@ShotDrJr: For the first time in sports history, a team — the Orlando Magic — has fired its players and not the coach.

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by Kriz on Dec 18, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions

Both deals are done, ESPN reports. Earl Clark is also bound for Orlando, in addition to the players mentioned above.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5932861

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions

Congrats to the Magic and the Wizards, but the Suns got the best deal here.

They get rid of Turkoglu, who was underperforming.
Carter and Pietrus can replace Richardson’s offense; Nash makes all 2/3s play well.
With Gortat and Lopez, they have two centers who can rebound. Frye can play the 4.
They get a 1st-round pick.
They can buy out Carter for about $4M, which Orlando’s cash pays for.
Gortat is cheap, as is Pietrus (who only has one year left on his contract).

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions

holy shit

DO IT JOE!!!….

For Jonas!!

by Mike Payne on Dec 18, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

phoenix makes out like bandits

you could look at each team and argue they did well in this trade. all teams got what they wanted out of it. imo orlando just messed up, and they will be no better.

pheonix might even be better this year after this trade, and definitely set themselves up better moving forward. they needed a big man badly. they got it. carter v. richardson is almost a wash, and they got rid of turk who sucked anyway.

by mcflies on Dec 18, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions

Agreed. ORL remains no better than the third seed in the East. PHX is better right now and in the years to come.

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions

Otis Smith : Hedo Turkoglu :: lonely dude : his ex

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions

LOL. Orlando is going to be paying Gil and Hedo a combined 27m+/year for the next four years. NBA GM’s really are so, so, so dumb. Congratulations Otis Smith, you’ve probably just wasted the next four years of Dwight Howard’s prime.

by Gabe F-B on Dec 18, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions 5 recs

I commend Smith for making moves, though. It’s very, very obvious that they’re trying hard to put the right pieces around Dwight Howard while they can. Even though Dwight can’t be happy with losing, he has to be happy with the effort the franchise is making to build up around him. Things weren’t working and they’re taking a chance, something we haven’t done in 5 years. I have massive trade envy.

by garrettelliott on Dec 18, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions

so

when dwight howard leaves after next year the magic will still be paying these bums. that’s just wonderful for them.

by mcflies on Dec 18, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions

see: the cleveland cavaliers.

by dandresden on Dec 18, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions

Meh, you gotta do what you can while you have a superstar. Not everyone gets to have a Dwight Howard.

by garrettelliott on Dec 18, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly.

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions

It’s Dwight Howard’s fault for not being dominant enough on offense to win a title all by himself!

by -PS- on Dec 18, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions

Need For Kryptonite?

just Vpinion

by V. on Dec 19, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions

Heh.

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions

the cleveland cavaliers

Adrian Wojnarowski agrees:

"The mandate hangs over the Orlando Magic with words spoken and unspoken, an understanding of the ultimate requirement necessary for sparing themselves the devastation of Dwight Howard’s departure as a free agent.

"Nothing short of a championship," one league source insists is the burden the Magic are working under to hold onto Howard.

Privately, Magic general manager Otis Smith confessed to his closest associates this week that his franchise’s circumstances have become Cleveland and LeBron James all over again. The Magic are burying themselves deep into the luxury tax, taking on risky roster propositions and desperately trying to beat the clock to free agency in 2012. Deep down, Magic officials fear that Shaquille O’Neal long ago crafted the blueprint for leaving Orlando for the bright lights, big city."

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

And that’s why I think he’s doing the right thing. Maybe Dwight will leave, but the best chance of getting him to stay is to win a championship. Smith might lose the gamble, but I think it’s better than letting your superstar walk without at least trying.

by garrettelliott on Dec 19, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions

+1

This is an awful, awful trade for Orlando. I bet Gilbert blows up in their faces, or he steals minutes from Jameer — either way it’s a lose. Hedo’s washed up, and they’re totally screwed when Dwight gets into foul trouble in the Playoffs.

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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions

I like it for Phoenix though.

I didn’t think they could be able to get out of Hedo’s contract.

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by Kriz on Dec 20, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions

Yessir. Amazing trade for them, really. Turning Hedo and J Rich into Gortat and a big expiring? Best they could have hoped for.

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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, Orlando’s uberfucked. Phoenix, on the other hand, may extend their okayness for a few years.

by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 20, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

Phoenix wins.

by TDP on Dec 18, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions

first post ever

i’d say it’s a small improvement. just by getting rid of vince carter.. the real reason i’m posting is i’m watching NBAtv, slightly drunk. does anybody else find it to be annoying as fuck how they keep saying “moneyball” “moneyball” for everything motherfucking 3-pointer. 3-D, and smitty, and bitty, and titty: god damn stop saying motherfucking “moneyball”

by RoscoeJacksonJr on Dec 18, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions 6 recs

Rec’d for the first post coming while drunk. And for not making any sense.

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by Shinons on Dec 19, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions

Sir, you are drunk and surly. You’ll fit right in!

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions

Sheed, is that you?

I'm sad as Jonas

by alaskanpistonsfan on Dec 19, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs

This is slightly drunk?

I’m sure a MF full-on RJJ drunk rant will be one for the ages

by tads on Dec 20, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions

Orlando may make a third trade to re-balance their new roster:

"After committing to two blockbuster trades involving eight players that change the dynamic of the Orlando Magic, a pair of questions come to mind: Are the Magic back to championship contention now that they’ve surrounded Dwight Howard with an abundance of perimeter scoring from Gilbert Arenas to Jason Richardson to Hedo Turkoglu?

Perhaps that question can’t be resolved until we know the answer to question No. 2: Are the Magic done dealing? Another move may be on the way, which GM Otis Smith said could happen within the next month, because right now their roster is bottom-heavy with small players, leaving Howard with no backup at center and very little length or strength in the frontcourt overall."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/12/18/magic.trades/index.html

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions

ha

welcome to our world. good like trying to trade a guard for a big man. jameer nelson will probably be dangled though. everybody needs bigs and the magic just traded one of theirs away. good job. otis smith should be smacked upside the head for this.

by mcflies on Dec 19, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions

*luck

by mcflies on Dec 19, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions

Nelson to Bobs?

I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 19, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions

That’s a good roomer!

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions

I think it also needs to be said: the Wizards are a bunch of fucknuts. They turned Arenas, Jamison, Butler, and Brendan Haywood into Lewis, Josh Howard, Thornton, and Lazar Hayward. Wow.

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by Shinons on Dec 19, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

they would totally fall

for this.

For Jonas!!

by Mike Payne on Dec 19, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions

2 > 1

I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.

by Roll The Dyess on Dec 19, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions

The WIzards would get an extra win from that trade!!!

They have to do it.

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by Kriz on Dec 19, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions

DO IT JOD! Hollinger demands it.

by -PS- on Dec 19, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions

REPORT: Magic Eye Tony Battie, Ronny Turiaf as Replacement for Marcin Gortat.

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by -PS- on Dec 20, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Wow. Talk about downgrading.

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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions

Hence my schadenfreude!

by -PS- on Dec 20, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

it's possible Gortat wanted out

And so Smith did his best to oblige?

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by bearded thundar on Dec 20, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions

That’s a possibility…but I think that ORL could have gotten more for a center with starter’s talent and an extremely reasonable contract. There’s got to be more than a few teams in the league willing to give up some combination of a high draft pick, a solid young player, and cash.

by -PS- on Dec 20, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions

I mean, Gortat’s salary is only 0.900615385 Chunky Charlie units.

by -PS- on Dec 20, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions

Gortat sucks.

by garrettelliott on Dec 20, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions

Only 0.900615385 as much as Chunky Charlie!

by -PS- on Dec 20, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions

DO IT JOD!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29blncp

by -PS- on Dec 20, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions

BUT HOLLINGER SAYS WE LOSE FOUR MORE GAMES1

by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 20, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions

Hold on a second, I meant to do the “Many exclamation points and ones”, but SBnation is up to monkey business.

by Biz Markie Moon on Dec 20, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions

You got out 1337’d by SBN4T10n.

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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

I would take Gortat over any ~~big man~~ player on our roster.

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by brgulker on Dec 20, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions

Really? I must be the only anti-Gortat here. I just don’t see the allure besides being teased by his athleticism the same way we were with Amir.

by garrettelliott on Dec 20, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions

defense

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gortama01.html
He’s always put up solid rebounds and blocks; when given the minnutes, he has typically performed (including in the playoffs when Dwight was suspended)

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by bearded thundar on Dec 20, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions

He’s an athletic big man with post moves and shot-blocking ability. Superstar? Nah. But someone who will give you good-to-great play at C for the next 5 years? Yep.

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by brgulker on Dec 21, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions

Every time I’ve seen him play (which, admittedly, is probably between 20-30 times) he just doesn’t ever do anything on the court. I guess the numbers say otherwise, but he always underwhelms me. Part of it might be that my expectations are so high from the hype on here, but hopefully he’ll show that he can play in Phoenix if he’s given the minutes!

by garrettelliott on Dec 21, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions

yeah ive never seen much out of him either other than he is a big body who can run the floor, which is a nice thing to have in a center. he is good on defense i suppose but i havent seen much in the way of post moves from him. maybe an expanded role will show off his offensive game. i dont think he’s much of a game changer or anything but i would have taken him simply due to the fact that we have no bigs.

by dandresden on Dec 21, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t think he’s a star, just a really solid player. I think he’ll get you 8-10 points, and some of those will be spoon fed to him and/or garbage buckets, and he’ll get you 8-10 boards, and he’ll add 1-2 blocks.

So on any given night, you’ve got a 7-footer who’s capable of getting you a double double with a couple blocks, without turning it over a lot and while shooting a high percentage. That, and he’s paid similarly to Charlie V.

He’s not going to turn anyone’s franchise around, but he’s a wonderful role player.

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by brgulker on Dec 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions