Trade Speculation & Scenarios (Det/Hou/Dal)
by The Boourns on Dec 20, 2010 5:48 PM EST
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So this idea is based on a few roomers as stated by Hoopshype's trade rumors page. With Yao being done for the year AND on an expiring contract, it seems natural to consider him a huge trade chip in the coming months. Additionally, the Mavericks are pretty well stacked in their frontcourt and Haywood's minutes are being deferred to a more effective Tyson Chandler as it currently stands.
Houston desperately needs a center and Mark Cuban loves Kevin Martin so how might all this mesh together...
Detroit Trades:
Tayshaun Prince - Houston
Rip Hamilton - Houston
Detroit Receives:
Yao Ming (from Houston)
DeShawn Stevenson (from Dallas)
Reasoning: Detroit gets a crapload of expiring contracts in return for roster balance. DeShawn Stevenson's numbers aren't great, but who cares when he's expiring and at least offers extra depth at the SG and SF positions. While Yao will never wear a Pistons uniform, his placement on the IR will open up a roster spot for Artsiom Parakhouski who is destroying souls in Latvia (NOT LITHUANIA YOU IDIOT BOOURNS GOD GET IT RIGHT MORON!).
Houston Trades:
Yao Ming - Detroit
Kevin Martin - Dallas
Houston Receives:
Tayshaun Prince (from Detroit)
Rip Hamilton (from Detroit)
Brendan Haywood (from Dallas)
Reasoning: While Rip certainly doesn't provide nearly the scoring punch that Kevin Martin does, Houston has the opportunity to fill their center position on a somewhat reasonable contract, acquire an upgrade/expiring contract over Battier, and still maintain a reasonable replacement for Kevin Martin.
Dallas Trades:
Brendan Haywood - Houston
DeShawn Stevenson - Detroit
Dallas Receives:
Kevin Martin (from Houston)
Reasoning: Mark Cuban is apparently in love with Kevin Martin. Given how well Chandler is playing, and conversely, how poorly Haywood has performed thus far (averaging career low in points and close to career lows in blocks and rebounds all while also shooting only 27% from the free throw line. So long story short, moving Haywood for a player with the scoring power of Kevin Martin would appear to be a near obvious trade considering Mahinmi is playing well enough to fill the 13-16 minutes that Haywood has been playing.
The Issue (as I see it): Dallas is simply playing too well to make any meaningful roster changes, especially one that would warrant a new starting line-up (I'm guessing Martin would beat out Beaubois for the starting spot). Additionally, Dallas is left relatively thin up front while having almost as many guards as the Pistons currently have.
Realistically, Dallas does have the pieces necessary (and for a team like Houston arguably more attractive) to make a trade for both Yao and K-Mart if they sent over Haywood, Terry, and Caron Butler, but that trade doesn't seem likely given how well Dallas is playing and how much they'd have to sacrifice. Realistically, I think Detroit could play an integral part in ensuring Houston gets a replacement for Kevin Martin while getting them real immediate value for Yao's expiring (both contractually and from the league all together most likely). Additionally, Houston did just trade for Terrence Williams giving them more SG/SFs (including Rip and Tay) than you can shake a stick at.
Lastly, I can't see Houston just giving up Kevin Martin for Haywood and spare change based on Haywood's play thus far and Kevin Martin's impact to Houston's team which is why a 3rd team would be necessary to ensure Houston got more value back.
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i like it
but would houston be willing to take on rip and haywood’s bad contracts? idk, but other than that it sounds real good
i agree
dallas and detroit do it, but houston does not
by mgoblue4ever on Dec 20, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
really?
so if miami offered us lebron for prince and maxiell you’d pass???
(i know that would never happen, i’m just trying to make a point.)
Prince should be moved for a combination of young assets/ draft picks and expiring contracts. Prince could be that player that puts a team over the edge. With or without prince, the pistons are not a championship caliber team. How does prince and wilcox for jordan hill and the expiring contract of shane battier/ jared jeffries sound? it works with houston’s trade exception from trevor ariza.
by mgoblue4ever on Dec 20, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's called loyalty -- something people forget.
by Fadel on Dec 20, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wins are the currency of loyalty
A trade is our best opportunity for improving our win record.
A trade will thereby engender wider and deeper loyalty amongst the bandwagon and the die-hards alike.
(also, I will gladly remind you of this comment next summer when Prince signs elsewhere)
For Jonas!!
by Mike Payne on Dec 20, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Prince doesn't seem happy
as much as i’d like to be loyal to prince who has done so much for the organization, i’d bet he’d be happier someplace that has a shot at another ring. and, if the pistons can use him to get young assets or to get out of a bad contract, a trade would benefit both sides
by mgoblue4ever on Dec 20, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
lol...loyalty is best left in the NCAA fadel. The only thing today's NBA players are really loyal to is cash money
And the only reason Tayshaun has been loyal to this franchise is because this franchise drafted him, gave him a chance, and got him a ring. If you think for one second that he would have stayed in Detroit through his rookie contract had Detroit been a losing team, you’re more foolish than you let on….
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 20, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, I don't want to package Prince in any deal for expirings
Even if it means we have to hold onto Rip until the next trade deadline, Prince has been really good as of late. If we trade him, it should be for a starter, not just to move a few salaries imo
I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short
by bearded thundar on Dec 20, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions
Yeah just got back from dinner with the fiance (oh yeah, that happened last Wednesday)
and took another look at this. Not to use our standard argument for substantiating the CV/BG signing (eg – well CV’s salary looks pretty damn good compared to Rashard Lewis, or I’d rather have BG on his contract than Rudy Gay on his), but would Houston rather have a starting center that has actually well played over the past 2 or 3 years or Yao?
Is having a starting center, legitimate starting SF, and a SG who is at least serviceable in a starting lineup with Aaron Brooks and Luis Scola better than having a center who will likely never play again and a SG on a reasonable contract?
Right now, Kevin Martin is arguably Houston’s best trading chip that provides anything more than cap relief to the team they’re moving him to.
Ultimately, after looking at this and any and all other trade scenarios, I’m starting to come to the conclusion that this trade deadline may be EXTREMELY anti-climatic given the potential for a lockout. I’d love to know how many “blockbuster” trades occurred in the season prior to the previous lockout.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 20, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Hey, congrats on the engagement.
Also, I totally agree that Haywood would work for Houston. They really need someone with size who can do the dirty work if they’re going to do anything this year, and if all it costs them is an expiring contract then that’s a good thing. As they’re situated right now, there’s no way they can tell themselves they can compete with LA.
Lastly: haha, Sonics left!
It's true, I'm a rageaholic. I just can't live without rageahol!
Can we get a name change to "Nelson"?
Or at least an avatar change. You are the Nelson Muntz to my Millhouse sir.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 20, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
second'd
I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short
by bearded thundar on Dec 21, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
lol...no, and I don't have a friend in the diamond business with Shane Company
I looked at a number of places after sending the fiance (that is still strange to type let alone say) out with girlfriends to try some rings on and get an idea for what she liked. I was then referred to a gemologist/diamond wholesaler which for any of you looking or planning on ever getting married, I cannot recommend highly enough.
Most of these guys do not advertise. They don’t have websites or anything like that and work entirely off of personal references. Reason being they’re the same guys that supply the diamonds to the retailers on a consigment model (jeweler asks for a specific cut due to interest from a potential customer and these guys supply the cut).
Ultimately I was able to get twice the diamond I would have gotten had I just purchased from a retailer and on top of that, the guy knows his shit and can pretty much answer every single question you’d ever ask of him.
Comparing that with the foreign lady at Ben Bridge who was trying to sell me a ring before she even asked what I was looking for and had little to know in-depth knowledge of diamonds, precious metals, etc wasn’t even fair. Anyways, super long answer to what would appear to be a simple question but like I said, if any of you are planning on popping the question, definitely ask around to co-workers and friends to see if you can locate one of these guys. There is a great chance they will either save you a ton of dough or get you a much bigger stone for the same price.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 21, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Stick with Fiancee not Fiance
I mean, unless you really did mean Fiance. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
by Big Z in Orlando on Dec 22, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Congrats on the engagement
Many rec’s and happy years to you and your bride-to-be.
by Rob Rogacki on Dec 21, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
this is still just basketball
and Tayshaun Prince is playing the best and most consistent basketball on the team.
However, I would trade Rip to Dallas for Ian Mahinmi, money, and a draft pick.
To build on this...
Both Houston and Dallas have been vocal about their use of advanced statistical analysis (as an aside the real Mark Cuban has actually commented a time or two on Berri’s blog with his comments on Berri’s work).
I don’t see any way Morey takes on Rip, and I’m skeptical Cuban would either, all contracts aside, because of what those two guys have said publicly about their thoughts on the advanced numbers.
To add onto this
When Cuban made the Jason Kidd trade, he said it was because Kidd was really high (like top ten) on his statistical ranking of players.
Maybe he also inexplicably has Rip or more believable Tay very highly ranked.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 21, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Just to make things clear for once...`
As a big fan of DBB and Pistons I must point it out that Parakhouski is spending this season in Latvia not Lithunia. It’s the country Biedrins is from, however countries are nex to each other so this mistake is usual. I have watched a lot of games with Parakhouski this year and must say that he has some potential but still is far from being an NBA caliber player.
by Mr Vovers on Dec 21, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Oh snap, Boourns
He just called out your lack of Artisom knowledge. And you call yourself a fanboy.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
Sad Panda.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Mr Vovers mea culpa!
Being one of the only DBB members of Art Parakhouski’s facebook fan club, I consider myself a local expert on all things Art. I should not have failed to make such an egregious error. If I could go back and edit the original post at this point I would. I shall now commit myself to 7 days of shame.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The 7 days of shame sounds good and all
but since you were the one who wrote the original post you should have the ability to edit it. It should be at the very top of the page.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
ooooo! I looked and didn't see the "Edit it again" thing show up and didn't realize that the edit button was under "admin"
imagine that!
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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