Morning Shootaround: The Richard Hamilton distraction
by Packey on Dec 21, 2010 6:58 AM EST
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PrintI haven't done a morning shootaround since the last total lunar eclipse on the winter solstice, but I think it's time, what with the 9-19 record and all. I will say, if Richard Hamilton wasn't so darn distracting, we could probably post some layup drills a little more often.
- Richard Hamilton, distracting?!? Yup, sources told Detroit News' Vincent Goodwill that Rip Hamilton has become a distraction to the team. [insert Red Panda here]. One team source said, "he quit on us." I'm sorry, but how could you not see this storyline (or something remarkably similar) coming? Rip Hamilton just happens to come down with an "upset stomach," the same day Coach John Koostis says he's going to start Ben Gordon (in place of Rip)? My Dad delivered the zingers while we watched the game together: "Upset stomach? I bet it's more like 'upset at coach.'"
- Will Koostis stick with Gordon or cave to Rip after a single (successful) game? Chris Iott at MLIVE takes the words from my grubby fingertips:
- Justin Rogers at MLIVE has audio of a Joe Dumars interview with ESPN 96.1 during which Dumars says he'll sit down and have a long talk with Rip if he needs to. He needs to (trade him).
- Speaking of trades, Joe Dumars told Matt Dery last week that he hopes to be close to a deal. An audio clip on Pistons.com, which was mysteriously removed, revealed Dumars telling Keith Langlois "there's nothing." Dan Feldman at PistonPowered and tads here think Joe Dumars was misleading fans and full of crap, respectively. Dan Feldman has since posted a mea culpa, which I don't think was entirely necessary, but probably a fair move.
I honestly believe Dumars is hopeful of pulling the trigger on some type of a deal and is trying. I think the "there's nothing," answer to Langlois' question could just as easily suggest there's nothing (imminent?) beyond initial trade talks, as opposed to zero trade discussions whatsoever. Do I think Dumars (or any other GM for that matter) says things to simply appease the fans? I'd guess it's done a whole lot more than we think or are let on, but I don't know if there's enough evidence or context here to insinuate Dumars has been caught being slimy in this instance. If Dumars isn't attempting to make a deal (and people need to understand there are a lot of variables at play, so I'm not too impatient, yet) then please scooch over to make room for me on the JDIAFI wagon. - Kuester and Rip lead the NBA in technical fouls.
- Remember when Jason Maxiell stole it from David West and slam dunk shot it to seal the victory? Yeah, that was awesome:
More after the jump
The Pistons seem to play better when they are shorthanded, when the players who are in the lineup know they are going to get minutes and can fight their way through the tough stretches without fear that they will be replaced. That seems especially true when it comes to Gordon and Hamilton.
Who should start? Who should get the majority of the minutes?
Kuester might have an important decision to make. But it looks to me like he has already made it.
"He wasn’t a dick. To other players on other teams, yeah, he was a real asshole. … But it’s cool the way he intimidated people as far as getting into people’s heads. … All the guys on that team got into people’s heads and he was the catalyst of all that."
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I'm going to put this out there
Rips is uncoachable, and it’s a significant reason why the past several teams have quit on their coaches, from Flip, to Curry, to Kuester.
I’m not sure I even agree with all that myself… thoughts?
Personally I've never enjoyed Rips attitude...
it’s always seemed a bit stand-offish. It’s hard to determine if it’s a general summation from watching him play or a result of watching him get all those techs over the years. As for uncoachable, it’s really easy to say that Rip probably isn’t helping the situation as a whole. He’s not helping himself get traded, he’s not helping the team win, and he’s doing nothing to help build any type of cohesive team environment.
Really, uncoachable or not, he’s just kinda failing right now.
by madpoopz on Dec 21, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rip has had the same ‘tude from when we were going to eastern conference finals to now. In my eyes his attitude doesn’t really matter. Before he played very well, now he plays very poorly. Thus, his poor play is the only reason we need to trade him.
You could look at it the other way around too. Before the team rallied around his shit, making us better. Now the team crumbles under his shit making us worse, but we’re already bad, so it’s actually helping us in getting a better draft pick.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 21, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
The Pistons of the past could rally around that "fuck you" attitude...
because they were a bunch of misfits. The Pistons of now are a bunch of kids who are trying to find their place on a team and Rip is kinda standing in the way.
Rip's on-the-court antics are what bother me the most
It’s not surprise to me that he’s got the most techs this season and has been booted from a few games. Sure the rules are tighter than years past but ultimately, I don’t even think thats why Rip avoided so many techs. Rasheed took so much attention away from his teammates with his own antics that Rip was able to largely go unnoticed with the way he acts towards referees.
As for Rip as a person, I hope he’s a better person than he appears to be on camera. But a part of me doesn’t even believe that. Maybe some of you recall Reggie Miller back in the days when Tayshaun was blocking his layups complaining about how Rip keeps his nails really long and scratches/grabs you the entire time he’s running off screens. I thought to myself back then, “no way…that’s bush league shit right there.” Since way back then, I’ve gotten myself a brillian HDTV and can tell you that I look for this in particular. And he does. He’s got long ass claw nails. Sure this is a minor thing but to me it exemplifies his attitude and lack of consideration for what are effectively his co-workers.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 21, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that gives his nickname a whole new meaning, doesn´t it?
Actually, it made me laugh a little, but you´re right, thats not ok.
I think the only reason for his behaviour is frustation.
I can understand him partially (giving him a big contract, signing ben gordon for big money after that, less minutes,…), but he needs to be much more mature about it.
Unfortunately, I don´t see this happen.
HEY!
Allen said he talked to Hamilton about his fingernails, which prompted Allen to wear an arm sleeve against the Pistons in the playoffs last season. “He was saying how when he saw me come out the next game with an arm sleeve on, they started laughing about it,” said Allen. "And then I said, ‘Look, man, I’m wearing an arm sleeve because . . .’ And then I picked his hand up and looked at his nails. And his nails were way out. He said, ‘Man, I didn’t know I cut people up like that. People tell me all the time that I need to cut my nails, but I don’t know what I’m doing.’ I told him, ‘Come on, dog, you know why you’re using them.’
ray ray had to wear a sleeve cuz of them nails
by don'tworryaboutit on Dec 21, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
naw
ray ray had to wear a sleeve cuz of my snails. ho!
/notmakinganysense’d
//slashy hat tip to boney’d
For Jonas!!
by Mike Payne on Dec 21, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Richard Hamilton
You would think that if he was so unhappy and wanted to go that he would play great basketball to show off his skills to other teams but he’s not even doing that. At this point I would be happy with any sort of trade for him just so he’s not on this team anymore.
Another CONTROVERSY created by Detroit’s most CONTROVERSIAL. When will the CONTROVERSY end? When Rip is CONTROVERSIALLY traded—or bought out of his CONTROVERSIAL contract.
To add to the controversyism
The new Pistons advertisement.
The first player it mentions is Ben Gordon, then Monroe and Wallace (not positive on order).
Who it doesn’t mention: Stuckey, Rip, and Tay.
It talks about the Pistons “going back to work” and also inexplicably mentions Pistons returning to the playoffs.
/hmmm’d
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 21, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't they put Will Bynum on the I-75 billboard this summer when he was still a free agent
Shortly before Joe D signed Will Bynum AND Tracey McGrady? It seems obvious to me that there is only way this can end:
We only get 9 wins out of that? Psh, they can keep their precious Kobe and Blake!
by garrettelliott on Dec 21, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't You Mean, "Controversiness"?
just Vpinion
by V. on Dec 22, 2010 3:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Controversy"
I must’ve missed where this first came up, but is it meant to be funny? Was there an inside joke that got lots of rec’s so we keep using it? I don’t get it.
I'm not sure there's nothing funny about it...
At the very least you’d have to admit it’s controversial.
I can admit that
And from my perspective, this might be the most controversial thread of DBB comments since the CONTROVERSIAL one was last in the news.
I can't imagine anyone taking him...
Unless they could package in someone equally controversial to ship away… and there’s only one other player in this league I can think of who’d be as controversial as Rip is right now…
The CBA says that salaries AND levels of controversy must match.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bdtok4
DO IT JOD!
How exactly is that trade even legal? Are the Kings that far under the cap?
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
that's why it's controversial
I have decided to start a career in rap under the presumptuous name of Dextrorotatory Glucose. However, you may call me "D-Sugar" for short
by bearded thundar on Dec 21, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Surprised... or not?
I’m not sure how to feel about this Rip Hamilton situation. The Piston’s fan is happy because Ben Gordon is obviously better for this team in the long run. But, I’m not sure what to make of Rip’s reaction to the current team situation.
I guess the question going through my mind is: Should we really have expected this? Rip has always been an emotional player (technical fouls, anyone?), but that always seemed to be directed outward: the fans, and opponents. It was obvious that during the whole A.I. thing, Hamilton wasn’t pleased with coming off the bench, but he framed it by saying he would do it if the team was winning (they were not, of course).
Now that the team is not winning with him in the lineup, he wants to change his tune? Fuck that. It’s not like Rip has to look far for an example of an aging veteran who isn’t concerned with his role on the team and just wants to play and play hard. Ben Wallace earned the starting job last year, and hasn’t relinquished it yet. Not because he’s “Ben Wallace”, but because he works his ass off and helps the team on the court.
If you can’t get your shit together Rip, then step aside. If you want to be moved to another team, the best way to do that is to STFU and play good basketball. Joe has already proven he will move players that want out, so just give him the chance to do it by playing nice for another couple of months.
You know, the more I type about this, the angrier I get. I still want to like Hamilton, so I’m going to stop now before I forget everything he’s done for this franchise in the last 10 years.
by Big Z in Orlando on Dec 21, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sunday marked the first time in sports history a city’s NFL, NHL and NBA teams all went to overtime on the same day. Ironically, the Wings lost while the Lions and Pistons won. That’s just a cool fact.
That is a cool fact. It was a good win for my Stones & Lions. It’s rare that the Red Wings let you down.
To me, Rip’s been all Steve Francis on us since Chauncey got dealt. The Technicals and clear disdain for the man chosen to coach him is unacceptable. I never said deal the guy until now, but faking a stomach injury is some Gilbert Arenas type shit. I think his work ethic has diminished considerably, and not just due to age. I thank him for his service, but it looks like he’d be happy going somewhere else.
Fire CJ and trade Schwartz lol
by spicymchaggis on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply Star Unrec? 1
by Skylar on Dec 21, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is on Dumars
Rip needs to be moved ASAP to save his legacy here, like Sheed, Billups & McDyess before him. Wallace only works because he’s such a beast and cares so much. We, as fans, deserve to be allowed to love Rip eternally for bringing a championship here…Dumars needs to move, and I don’t care who we get back, or what contract we get back…this is about the dignity of the franchise, and I, for one, don’t want that at stake.
Scott Hastings was the greatest player in the league in Bulls vs. Lakers.
by newfy on Dec 21, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Rip getting disillusioned with a guy who traded his best friend away-
We, as fans, deserve to be allowed to love Rip eternally for bringing a championship here
Rip no longer giving it his best effort on the court, Rip not modeling well for the young cats (I consider veteran modeling a part of that contact extension) …these are all problems, and I think it’ll ultimately lead to moving him, but in no way do I not love the guy. I just think some are meant to retire with the franchise, and some are meant to leave. Rip wants to leave.
Fire CJ and trade Schwartz lol
by spicymchaggis on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply Star Unrec? 1
by Skylar on Dec 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So does this mean The Baby Eater is the face of this blog again?
Or does Jonas still hold those reigns.
Me on the 2008 Detroit Pistons..
"Blowing leads, losing to poor quality teams, having a coach that preaches defense but we can barely guard a soul. This is reminding me too much of the Detroit Lions…
…depression starting to set in."
Good Times!
You almost deserve a red panda for suggesting Jonas could ever come in second in our hearts.
"You’d be surprised what you can accomplish if you’re not concerned with making sense!"- PS
From the mailbag:
Langlois: Arnie Kander avoids putting timetables on rehab, but my sense – and I mean that, not anything that’s been said because it’s completely in Kander’s hands and he simply doesn’t talk timetables – is that the rehab is going well. Jonas is upbeat. My guess is he has a better chance to beat the original estimate – five to six months – than see it drag past that. A great outcome for him would be to get back at least a month or so before the end of the season – early to mid-March – to give himself enough time to shake off the rust and feel like he’ll leave the season back to the level he was playing at throughout training camp.
I think we’re at the halfway point of Jonas being gone!
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 21, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
gone? GONE? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
HE CAN’T LEAVE DAMN IT! DOES HE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HE’LL DO TO THE PSYCHE OF THIS COLLECTIVE SHITSHOW?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 21, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
When we reach the full point of Jonas being gone, he will be back.
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 21, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
nailed it
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 22, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Chris_Iott Chris Iott
Richard Hamilton: “Sometimes things have got to change a little bit. There’s nothing wrong with that.” #Pistons
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Chris_Iott Chris Iott
Richard Hamilton: “Sometimes things have got to change a little bit. There’s nothing wrong with that.” #Pistons
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Chris Iott
Richard Hamilton: “It’s important for me to just stay motivated, go out there, help my teammates … and try to get some wins.” #Pistons
Chris_Iott Chris Iott
Richard Hamilton: “I’m just going to play hard, whatever role they need me to do.” #Pistons
vgoodwill Vincent Goodwill
Rip: “It’s a different time in my career now. It’s important for me to stay motivated, help my teammates, help BG out.” #Pistons
Last one made me think about Gilbert Arenas and John Wall.
Jonas, jag älskar dig! Du är vacker.
i'm on the phone but my brother showed me dery's tweets
Dumars quoted “I love rip” and “he is the last guy I have to worry about. He’s our captain”.
Fire CJ and trade Schwartz lol
by spicymchaggis on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply Star Unrec? 1
by Skylar on Dec 21, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chris_Iott Chris Iott
Joe Dumars on Richard Hamilton: “Rip is our captain, and I love Rip Hamilton.” #Pistons
Chris_Iott Chris Iott
Joe Dumars on Richard Hamilton: “He’s been a warrior here for a long time, and I trust him as much as anybody on this team.”
Chris_Iott Chris Iott
Joe Dumars on Richard Hamilton: “Rip and I had a great conversation. He’s the last guy that I need to worry about competing.” #Pistons
Jonas, jag älskar dig! Du är vacker.
What part of these quotes says he's getting traded to charlotte?
I will forever abhor DMC not being a Piston.
by Roll The Dyess on Dec 21, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
sweet! teaches me to comment on the go
Fire CJ and trade Schwartz lol
by spicymchaggis on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply Star Unrec? 1
If there is one thing you can expect from Joe D, it's run-on sentences
If there are two things you can expect from Joe D, it’s run-on sentences and manipulating the media.
Remember when they said that Michael Curry was going to be the coach, only a month later to decide to fire him. Also, remember that they decided to fire him right after “reports surfaced” that Curry’s relationship was strained with Hamilton (which would have been obvious at the time when they said that they were going to keep him on.) Good times.
I am not going to be surprised if they trade Rip tomorrow, I am equally not going to be surprised if he starts the next game, goes 2 -19 and Gordon goes 5-6 in 18 minutes.
They are all very non commital.
Is Rip captain still? Yes
Does Joe love him? He said so himself.
Has he been a warrior for the team for a long time? Yes, which is not necessarily a comment on the present.
I trust him as much as anybody on the team? Maybe he trust no one on the team.
They had a great conversation? So he says.
He’s the last guy I need to worry about? I wouldn’t worry much about a guy on the way out either.
Nothing says he’’s staying or going. Nothing says he has or hasn’t been a problem lately.
Jonas, jag älskar dig! Du är vacker.
It all makes me wonder
If Q and JOD also have these “talks.” I would like to think so, but right now this seems totally in play:
JOD: Q — can I talk to you for a minute?
Q: Sure, Mr. Dumars, how are you, sir?
JOD: So Rip and I had a nice little chat…
Q: Yes, I heard about that the radio.
JOD: And you’re fired.
Q: …
…
…mother fucker.
This signature is false.
by heWizard on Dec 22, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
JOD: Aren’t you interested in the best part?
Q: Is there a “best part” to getting fired?
JOD: Like I would ever know LOL. But seriously, wanna know?
Q: …
JOD: I’m gonna bring back Sheed as Player/Coach. Gonna start him at the 2-guard.
Q: Brilliant!!!!!!!
For Jonas!!
by Mike Payne on Dec 22, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Team Longball
PG: Tmac
SG/Coach: Sheed
SF: Daye
PF: Dwight Howard
C: Manut Bol
DRIVE AND DISH IS DEAD, BABY!
This signature is false.
by heWizard on Dec 22, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you are some kind of huge idiot
for not starting Iverson at the 4.
For Jonas!!
by Mike Payne on Dec 22, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just think how much that would deform the defense!
by -PS- on Dec 22, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
SI’s take on Hornets game and Hamilton’s “suspicious upset stomach”:
Hamilton should be ill more often.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/britt_robson/12/21/power.rankings/index.html
he obviously checked out.
rip’s a bitch now. i think this new tech rule is garbage but whenever i see rip crying and carrying on it actually makes the new rule make sense. Rip little act whenever calls dont go his way is beyond tired and i think even he knows its played out. Part of me is relieved when he gets kicked out of games.
the sad thing is what gm would want to trade for a nigh washed up whiny baby chemistry killer?
This really shoulda been a dead horse by now
I'm sad as Jonas
by alaskanpistonsfan on Dec 21, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions
....new shit has come to light.
Fire CJ and trade Schwartz lol
by spicymchaggis on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply Star Unrec? 1
by Skylar on Dec 21, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Are you saying we should leave Hooper's head...
in Rip’s bed?
This signature is false.
by heWizard on Dec 22, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course Rip would want to stay...
Rip has gotten insanely comfortable here and its hard to blame him. He’s got a fat extension, the offense is primarily geared around him, a season ago he was dreaming about having his jersey retired. His self proclaimed status as “The best conditioned guy in the league” he is convinced that he is going to stay on through this extension and probably another contract passing milestones after milestone along the way.
Sadly, Rip just isn’t that good. He has always been a second fiddle, even if he was our leading scorer. His best years were not the “great” by any measure, and outside of our system from 2004 he would probably be even less effective. I really have yet to meet anyone for whom rip was their favorite piston of the championship run, or since. It is probably safe to assume that Rip’s views of himself are more inflated than reality.
Sadder still… The delusion will probably continue. Let’s assume for a second that Joe D would actually trade Rip if a team wanted him. Rip is coming off an injured season and since has been arguable as effective as T-Mac, and as consistent. If you’re calling Joe D in need of scoring for a playoff run, who are you going to ask about? Rip will most likely not get traded, and Joe D will have to keep feeding Rip’s inflated image of himself in order to keep him from becoming cancerous.
To me, this brings up a lot of questions...
An offense that was focused around our SG endlessly moving is what the coach’s chose to implement. Did it play to the strengths of our team at the time? Quite possibly. Would there have been more impactful offensive sets that could have been run? Maybe. Even in his best years, he was a SG playing alongside an historically scoring PG and a post presence that as time went on failed to present the post. So I don’t think you can say that he was at his most effective in our system because he’s never really been in another system.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Dec 21, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
What other system would work with him in it?
He’s not a good enough shooter from 3 to be a full-time player in a pick-and-roll or drive-and-dish offense. And while he’s good off the ball, that’s mostly limited to coming off screens, as opposed to making cuts when another player puts the ball on the floor. He’s also not great in transition…
I see your point, and you’re 100% right. But when I go to the next step in the conversation, I’m at a loss.
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