Tired of trade ideas? Here's another!
by Gabe F-B on Feb 1, 2010 5:49 PM CST
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Here's a trade idea for the new week: Blockbuster!
Players involved:
Detroit:
Outgoing: Rip, Tay, Kwame, Daye.
Incoming: David Lee, Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries.
Boston:
Outgoing: Ray Allen.
Incoming: Rip, Tay.
New York:
Outgoing: Lee, Curry, Jeffries.
Incoming: Ray Allen, Daye, Kwame.
Reasonability?:
Detroit: Gets the best player in the deal, Lee. A player who is a legit frontcourt building block, and is still somewhat underrated, and won't command a Bosh or Stoudemire level contract. Also, Curry and Jeffries contracts only go through next season, so we would be cutting the long-term cost of Rip's deal, and have movable assets next season in Jeffries and Curry's expiring contracts. Lee and CV would be a bad pairing defensively, but I would be willing to put that gripe aside because the simplest solution to our lack of interior defenders is through the draft.
Knicks: They get rid of both Jeffries and Curry's contracts, allowing them to offer max contracts to two guys. They might lose Lee anyway, so using him to get rid of their two worst contracts I think would appeal to them.
Boston: They go all-in for the next 2-3 years, until KG's contract expires in 2012. Something else might need to be thrown in the deal to get them to pull the trigger (MFWB...? or Nate Robinson?). They've apparently started shopping Ray again, and they might be able to get more for his expiring contract, but if nothing else develops, this trade is similar to the one they (might have) offered this summer. It gives them a pair of "battle tested" vets with championship experience. Gives them a lot of match-up flexibility with smallball line-ups like Rondo/Rip/Pierce/Tay/KG. etc...
Overall:
Detroit loses a good prospect and a couple mainstays, but gets a very good frontcourt player and more future flexibility. Boston gets a pair of players who if they're healthy and start producing closer to their career norms could help them in the playoffs. Knicks clear salary cap space for this off-season. Win/Win/Win? Lose/Lose/Lose? Who does/doesn't bite?
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Love it!
i would do that trade in a heart beat. Hate to lose Daye but Jerebko is a great SF for a rookie. I highly doubt Knicks would part with Lee though
I'm not sure Boston bites
Detroit and NY would probably do it, but I doubt Boston would.
Ray Allen is a far better player than Rip: he’s more athletic, a better range shooter, can create his own shot and is just as good a play maker. Boston’s game relies a lot on spacing the floor and letting Rondo create. Perhaps they would like bringing Tay off the bench as a point forward to give Rondo more rest, but Pierce would be getting the lion’s share of the minutes.
Aside from that, my main point comes down to salaries. Allen is a hall of fame player with a massive expiring contract. Many teams are struggling to sell tickets, someone will probably be willing to give up a nice player or two and a pick. Why would Boston settle for another aging SG with a long term contract and a situational defender?
If anything, by your logic, the Knicks should consider trading Lee and Curry for Allen, and Lee is a far more impactful player than both Pistons.
Historically, Ray Allen is better
No doubt about that, but he’s falling apart fast. Only shooting 34% from three this year (he’s usually 40+), and his knees aren’t going to hold up much longer. Tay and Rip would expire around the same time the rest of their old core does. Plus, I’m sure Sheed’s a bit happier with them there.
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Win/Win/Win I think.
Boston won’t have any/much cap flexibility this summer anyway, and they get two experienced vets for an expiring contract.
New York gets out of its two worst contracts, gets a legit prospect, and loses a guy they might just lose anyway.
Detroit gets the guy that a lot of us want, and we’ll have the flexibility to offer him a good deal, because we’ll be out from under Rip and Tay’s deals over the long-term.
The only thing I can say is this: doing this deal slows down the rebuilding process. Yeah, we get Lee, who I love, but we also get stuck with two bad deals for another whole year. That may be countered by two consecutive years to the lottery, however, and it also gives Stuckey more time to “be the man” on the offensive side of the ball (gives us time to figure out if he can ever be that guy).
actually my problem with the trade is this
Jod would probably re-sign Eddy Curry and let Lee go as a FA because Lee isn’t tall.
LOL FIRE JOD NOW!
Eddy Curry has a player option for 2010/2011
and he’d be an idiot not to pick it up ($11.2M). Dealbreaker.
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I don’t see why?
Rip’s contract is for roughly the same amount and is fully guaranteed well beyond 2011 …
Rip is actually useful
Now Curry is having knee surgery, too. The guy has been a mess, so I’d take Rip (and his contract) over Curry (and his) any day of the week.
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Curry sucks, but my thinking was players with contracts that expire next season might be very valuable if the league keeps heading down its current course towards a dramatic new salary structure. In which case, Curry and Jeffries contracts could become useful assets next season, and grabbing a guy like Lee, who can produce at a level approaching someone like Bosh, but won’t be offered as much money, would also be ideal.
Yeah, I guess the more I think about it, the less I’m opposed. I’d just hate to see the Pistons take on such a big contract that would be of zero use. Then again, Rip and Tay were useless for so many games this year, too, and you never know — Curry could have a McDyess-like turnaround to his career. But I also probably wouldn’t do this deal unless there was a guarantee that Lee would sign an extension with Detroit.
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saying Curry could have a Dyess like turnaround
is like saying that I’ll fall in love with acquiring Emeka Okafor for anything more than a bologna sandwich and a wink from a pretty girl
Also, if Curry does in fact has surgery and misses much of next season, insurance will likely pick up most of his tab. (I think. I’m not positive, though. I know the Knicks weren’t able to insure his contract because of his heart condition, but I don’t know if that also means his team is completely exposed to non-heart-related injuries, as well.)
I have argued against salary dumps for this summer.
I did not consider in that post the benefits of salary dumps for the summer of 2011. Come 2011, several things will be at play:
1) As Gabe metnioned, the new CBA could have massive ramifications, if we believe the news reports even a little.
2) Buyer’s remorse. After the summer of 2010, some GMs will have buyer’s remorse. Maybe they overpay for a guy like David Lee and need to dump a few of their younger guys on smaller deals — if we can shed Rip and Tay, we can absorb deals like that.
3) Rip’s contract is horrible. It’s even worse with Gordon’s. We have to get out of one of them, period. Our franchise is destined for the lottery until we do. Dumping that contract this summer isn’t highly beneficial; dumping it for 2011 summer is a slightly different story.
Tank.
I’m okay with the lottery. At least, I’m in a space, mentally, where I’m okay with us sucking the proverbial dick for a year or two. A John Wall or DeMarcus Cousins will go a long way toward getting us back to where we’re used to being. Am I the only person here who would take Cousins even if we got the #1 overall? He and Wall are both the same age, and we all know that post players are harder to come by than good guards. And his per-40 numbers in points and rebounds are tops in all of college basketball. I want him.
by The Joel on Feb 2, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sisterhood of the pointy heels?
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
Here’s a variation on this trade, but with the Cavs instead of Boston…
It will never happen, but it should. It’s the ultimate risk/reward for both the Cavs and NY. The Cavs bank on Lebron staying by picking up a young, prototypical stretch PF. The Knicks bank on luring Lebron by freeing enough money to sign two max free agents. We get David Lee. Someone run tell Jod!
I'd do this.
3 things
1) How do we ensure Lee will resign with us?
2) Jeffries is a solid player. I’d rather have him over Maxiell and Wilcox, because of his hustle combined with length.
3) New York may be more into the idea of trading Lee, because from my prospective, they’re now out of the playoffs.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 2, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind the addition of Jeffries, actually
He’s overpaid, but he’s still a very good defender. Useful, unlike Curry.
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Skylar hit it on the head.
They want to add frontcourt depth, and if they can figure out how, a suitable backup PG.
Additionally, Paul Pierce just got hurt.
additionally
Ray Allen has a hefty expiring contract, and can be used to acquire 2 solid pieces (Hinrich, Salmons??)
That's a rumor with traction. Wouldn't be surprised to see that one happen.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
One of the few...
that would make sense for both sides. Hinrich can be Rondo’s backup and play with him, and Salmons isn’t a huge dropoff from Allen.
Celtics fans would hate that trade
these are the same Celtics fans that were saying Rip and Tay don’t = Allen at the beginning of the season..
Celtics fans are more concerned about the names on the back of the jerseys rather than the abilities of the players. Hinrich and Salmons are not all stars, even though Salmons can put in 17 a night, and Hinrich could stabilize the backup PG situation once and for all… in the eyes of Celtics fans, they’re not as good as Ray Allen
They're not satisfied with the team they have today.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
To his credit (I don’t give him much usually) Garnett has been hurt and trying to play through it, now Pierce is out.. The scenario we all were discussing a couple years back is now unfolding: Their big 3 is slowing down and hurt.
Cavs, Hawks, Magic, Lakers.. these are all teams that would likely beat Boston in a series if they played. Boston Brass knows this.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
the fact that the big three are falling apart brings a big fat smile to my face
now if they would only foolishly fritter away what young talent they have for more old timers banishing them to the lottery again for 20 years my dream would be complete.
Indeed, a pox on thee, Boston Celtics.
A plague on both your houses, the TD center and your backup Guard.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
With the team being for sale.
How much is current ownership going to be willing to spend this offseason? If you’re trying to sell a team, why invest more money? It’s entirely possible KD tells Jod not to spend much in the offseason. He could be forced to let Lee go because of KD.
Also, if we land Cousins, Wall, or Favors, we’ll be in good shape.
Turner, Johnson, or Davis? Eh, I’m a little mixed. Turner could be the next Brandon Roy, but it’s also where we’re the deepest. Same with Johnson. Ed Davis is going to be good, but too small to log any minutes at C.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 4, 2010 7:14 PM CST reply actions
It's a two-horse race between Cousins and Aldrich I think...
Obviously Cousins being the #1 choice. I’m happy with both though. I said before, I think Aldrich at worst is probably in Okefor Range (13/10/2) and at best who knows. But he’s a guaranteed solid starting NBA center if I’ve ever seen one. Cousins though, man, who knows. Could be a bigger, better Zack Randolph, which I’m okay with now that Ze-bo’s finally put it all together.
draftxpress says
for aldrich
Best Case: Rich Man’s Joel Przybilla
Worst Case: Josh Boone
for cousins
Best Case: Taller Al Jefferson
Worst Case: Derrick Coleman On His Worst Days
for whatever thats worth…..
Cousins impresses me more
but I’ve seen more of his games as well.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
just watched two kentucky games i had on the dvr
cousins looks like he will be a really nice player. quite a post presence at 6’11 280 lbs. nice moves around the hoop and very scrappy. hes got that nice carmelo anthony like spin move in the post as well.
john wall, on the the other hand, was a turnover machine and almost completely in-effective in the ole miss game when they packed the lane and made him strictly a passing point guard. he kinda figured it out later in the game but i wasnt too impressed. i dont really know what he will be in the nba.
if this team drafts Aldrich
I will stop watching them…
I’m sure most of you are hoping for this to happen.. not just because he’s talented but also because it means less of me
If you're a smart owner
You’re more worried about how good your roster is than how much money you have committed to them because winning teams make money.
It’s like anything else: in order to make a profit, you’ve gotta make an investment.
If Joe can fix a few of our bad contracts and bring in some quality big men, we’ll have a winning team and thus a profitable one.
You’re more worried about how good your roster is than how much money you have committed to them because winning teams make money.
Great talent- winning players, they attract fans and the money in their wallets. If the 76ers were any good, a town like Philly would flock to their games and buy fistfuls of jerseys.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
Even when they were good
No one flocked.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 9, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
So philly is an NFL MLB town only?
I doubt if the Sixers were hype again people wouldn’t just love it.
But I’m not from there.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
I agree, they were never that good for more than a season.
But in 2001 Iverson took them to the Finals, vs. Lakers… I consider that very good, if only for one season.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
agreed, skylar
they were the only team to beat those lakers that post season, too.
by C$ on Feb 11, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
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