Official Ed Davis Scouting Report
Ed Davis:
A lanky bigman that is reportedly highly skilled, but doesn't have a good frame.
6'9"
Small Frame
Fairly weak, but makes up for it with athleticism
Can jump over people
Soft Hands
Strengths:
Davis is reportedly very athletic. To be honest, I've never really been able to witness any of his jumping ability in games, but I supplied a video of him jumping over someone. So I suppose that has to count for something.
He also has soft hands, so he's any easy target for outlet passes (due to his athleticism) and the occasionally alley-oop.
His jumper is fairly fluid and is consistent out to about 15 feet. There's room for growth here. I don't see him being Chris Bosh or Sheed, but he'll might be able to stretch the floor. Which is really a must for him to succede in the NBA, considering his frame.
Umm....
Yeah....
That's about it? Kinda disappointing, I know.
Weaknesses:
Cole Aldrich is not a sexy name to most fans. In fact he's fairly ugly with that missing tooth. But at all times, he's very active on the floor, consistently altering shots, moving the ball around and being overall a great teammate.
Ed Davis, on the other hand, seems to forget he is UNC's star player. Their record speaks for itself - they suck this year. I have watched quite a few UNC games, and to be quite honest, I can't tell the difference between when he's on the floor and when he's off the floor. He just does not make an impact on the game.
This is due to several reasons:
First and most importantly: He has no heart that I can discern. You look at guys like Chris Bosh, Ben Wallace or Monta Ellis, they were all told they're too small to play in the NBA. But they're all very successful due to their constant tenacity and drive to win. Granted, in Monta's case, it hasn't shown up in wins, but I think, just maybe - and I'm going out on a limb here guys- perhaps GS's problems have little to with his offensive production. But I digress. The point is that Davis just does not make his presence felt on the floor on either end. How the hell he ends up with so many blocks baffles me, just like how Michael Curry ever became a head coach.
Secondly: He has a very small frame and is undersized height wise. This small frame allows for him to be very athletic, but since he hardly ever uses his athleticism, it is just a major weakness. He doesn't have the brute strength to seal off his man in the paint. He's regularly around the key, hoping his defender will magically walk away so that he will get an open shot. I just don't seem him putting in the time in the weight room because of the aforementioned issues with desire. And to top it off, he's only 6'9", very mediocre to undersized for an NBA PF.
Thirdly: His finesse game isn't nearly as good as he thinks it is. You can always make up for strength issues with good footwork and a nice jumpshot. Dirk has made a career out of this. Davis not only has no abdominal or posterior strength but also looks very awkward in his movements. So what you end up with is 10 seconds wasted off the shot clock, only for him to end up back at out 15-18 feet. And the few times he does get into the post, he never bothers to call for the ball, and by that time has already been pushed out again. I suppose a good jumpshot would ease on this, but once again, we have an issue with consistency. His jumpshot is decent, it has plenty of room to improve, but that's just it, you can't depend on potential for guys who don't have a burning desire to win.
Fourthly: His IQ is mediocre at best. His timing isn't very good, the only reason why he gets blocks is because he is just so much taller than everyone else and can jump higher. In the NBA, that ability will not transition at all as everyone will be not only taller and stronger, but around the same level of athleticism. I suppose its a good thing that he doesn't force the issue, otherwise his lack of IQ would make him an absolute turnover machine.
Imminent Thoughts:
If you recall the game paper Mario, you could revert between 2d and 3d mode. Ed Davis seems stuck in invisible mode. Going with my theme of picking great classic symphonies, I would relate Davis to your standard 5th grade orchestra: guaranteed to be very out of tune with no clue of what is going on around them.
Honestly, I'd rather have Amir over this clown any day of the week. At least you know what you'll be getting out of Amir: constant hustle and perhaps a few jumpshots. I don't think I've been more disappointed by any other draft pick in years (he falls around Walter Sharpe category).
I'm not even sure Davis will make a good role player in the NBA. Undersized forwards cannot afford to be lazy; Paul Milsap probably has more man in his left nipple than Davis has in his entire body.
Simply put, this guy has bust written all over him. Even more bust than Thabeet and everyone saw that coming from a mile away. And I don't think I'm being too harsh. The only guy I was biased against was Aldrich, and that's because of a big statistical drop from last year. But as you've read, I quickly became a big fan after watching him consistently. If anything, I wanted him to succeed, but I just couldn't find anything I liked: he is not Piston material.
Getting back to the Pistons, with the way this team is collapsing, a top 5 pick should be in order. That will mean at the very least, Wall, Cousins and Turner will be gone. More than likely Favors will be off the board too. I would snatch up Aldrich in a heartbeat, and in the words of the Crucible, "fart in the direction of [Ed Davis]."
However should the unlikely (and very unfortunate) situation arise that we end up picking around 10. I hope to dear god Pattrick Patterson is on the board. I do not intend to make a scouting report for him as I don't think we'll be picking that low, but that guy has serious game. He's got much more tenacity, is far stronger, is quicker, has a better jumpshot, a very good post game and has only been playing for a few years. He is very undersized, so he doesn't fit our needs very well, but he has legit game and I think is a better version of Milsap in most respects.
In short, JUST SAY NO, to Ed Davis.
Feel free to add to this scouting report. Quite frankly what I've seen has been so pathetic I couldn't find many positives in him. Trust me, I've tried very hard, but dammit he's allergic to the ball. It's very hard to get a good read on him when he just doesn't do anything on the court, which is why I'm so disgusted that he's even in mention for a top 5 pick.
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Off-topic
Granted, in Monta’s case, it hasn’t shown up in wins, but I think, just maybe – and I’m going out on a limb here guys- perhaps GS’s problems have little to with his offensive production.
I kind of ranted about this in an earlier thread. Let’s just say, Monta’s offensive “production” is quite literally one of the main sources of their problems. That and the worst head coach in the league.
On Topic:
Ed Davis is a stiff. In no way has he shown me in the game that I’ve watched that he’s worth even a lottery pick, much less a high one.
Any thoughts?
Kinda disappointing to get no feedback, especially when this guy could be our next Darko
by bearded thundar on Feb 14, 2010 12:33 AM EST reply actions
Overall, his numbers aren’t where they need to be, but they aren’t really bad either.
I think the problem with having a conversation about Davis right now is we basically just need to wait and see how he plays. At the beginning of the season he was putting up terrific numbers. He’s hit a crappy slump and it’s been sandwiched between a couple injuries.
Subjectively, when I watch UNC play, it seems like they have the worst passing guards I’ve ever seen for a major college team. Davis also doesn’t seem to have a clear understanding of how to counter defenses that are now being designed to stop him. But, Davis is in a difficult situation for a young PF, because the guards on UNC are both selfish and so inefficient that opposing teams dare them to shoot and they happily oblige most of the time.
Still, there’s no question, Davis hasn’t performed at the same level as a handful of other players. On the other hand, his general statistical indicators are actually pretty solid; he’s shown an ability to do all the things PF’s are supposed to do- score efficiently, rebound, keep his turnovers down, block some shots. He’s definitely a PF, not a C, so his numbers need to be evaluated with that in mind. Personally, if Davis’ stats don’t improve, I’d be pretty pissed if we took him over Aldrich, but we’ll have to wait and see how he plays the rest of the year before making a full judgement.
My biggest problem
Is his intensity and heart. The skill level is fairly good, not anywhere near Chris Bosh (which he was initially advertised), but he’s no Kwame either. But still, I’ve yet to see him scrap for all balls, and that’s why I don’t think he should be a lottery pick.
Joel agrees, he’s a complete stiff. He just stands around and waits for something to happen.
by bearded thundar on Feb 14, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah his activity level isn’t great, and adjusting for pace takes a bite out of his numbers as well.
I’ve been cautiously optimistic about Davis for a different, but somewhat related reason to why I’ve been optimistic about Aldrich- I think both of them are going to fall in the lead-up to the draft. Aldrich because he doesn’t exactly look the part of high lottery pick and because he probably won’t be much of a workout wonder, and Davis has a chance to fall because his team sucks and scouts tend to overvalue team success (say hello to Tyler Hansbrough, 13th overall pick).
If we continue to suck and have a top-5 pick, Cousins needs to be choice if he’s still available. Aldrich is a good safety, but if we end up with the 9th or 10th pick and he’s off the board our options are narrowed. I know you’ve said you like Patterson, but looking at his overall numbers he projects very poorly to the NBA (definitely worse than Davis), and Patterson is being listed as a top-10 pick in most mocks, and he’ll probably stay highly rated because of Kentucky’s team success.
The PF/C’s who (IMO) project the best after Cousins and Aldrich are currently clustered near the end of the 1st round and early 2nd round in the mocks (Varnado, Parakhouski, Faried), and truthfully those are the guys I really want, but looking at the guys who Jod might realistically draft with our first round pick Davis isn’t the worst of the possibilities.
Regarding Patterson
Have you ever watched him play? He’s extremely active in the post and has worked a lot on his outside shooting touch. I think he’s a better version of Paul Milsap, definitely a good player. Perhaps he’s not worth a lottery pick, but he’s definitely a better player than Ed Davis.
I don’t get why Parakhouski is rated so low, if he played in any decent conference he’d be projected top 3. As for Varnado, I’ve always been a big fan, but I’m not sure how well his game will translate to the NBA. Ben Wallace always had a massive frame to add muscle to. Thus even if he wasn’t that tall, he could dominate people with pure strength and athleticism. Varnado is not only less athletic than big Ben was, but also is no where near as strong (any doesn’t have the frame to be even close). Great role playing big man, but no future Ben Wallace imo.
As for Faried, I have no clue about him.
But just wondering who do you think Joe will draft in the first round? Have you been watching Davis? He’s a complete stiff, Joel agrees.
If Favors, Cousins and Aldrich are off the board, I’d rather take my chances on Donatas Motiejunas. He looks like a potential Pau Gasol. Not a tough interior player like Marc, but definitely a very skilled big man that can score either from the high post or from the perimeter. The big issue with him is that he doesn’t rebound for shit, so you’d have to pair him up with a Dwight Howard-esque rebounder to hold the fort down.
by bearded thundar on Feb 15, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen him play, but the problem with Patterson is from looking at his stats, he doesn’t rebound or block shots well. Per/40 minutes (pace adjusted) he’s averaging just 8.6 rebs and 1.2 blocks. That suggests a severe lack of NBA caliber athleticism and size.
Patterson’s shooting efficiency is his strongest asset, but Davis’ TS% is almost exactly the same (Patterson’s is 62%, Davis’ is 61%), and they score the same number of points per/40 minutes (a little over 17). The big difference is Davis averages 12.4 rebounds and 3.6 blocks per/40. Rebounds and blocks in college are important athletic indicators; if a college PF struggles to rebound and block shots, it’s a huge red flag.
Patterson’s overall numbers were better last season, but his Freshman year was no great shakes, so he’s basically had two mediocre seasons and one good one. I like that Patterson has shown an ability to expand his range, it shows a strong desire to improve, which is usually a good sign, but he has some serious drawbacks that clearly (IMO) make him not worth a lottery pick.
If we aren’t able to get Cousins or Aldrich I’m going to be so bummed that it’s hard to contemplate other options. The best prospect who might still be around if we have a pick between 8-10 is probably Wesley Johnson. He obviously doesn’t fit a need, but he’s at least got a chance to be really good.
Otherwise, I’d probably gamble on Whiteside (he also has some of the trademarks of a Jod pick, so I could maybe see him actually being the choice). He’s raw, but is blocking shots at an even greater rate than Varnado, and has a bigger (more Big Ben-like) frame.
For comparison, check out Millsap’s college stats. He averaged 15.5 rebounds per/40 his junior season.
I don’t really watch college ball, so I have no feedback except to say I enjoy reading your scouting reports. Thanks for all the time and effort you’re putting into these, they’re definitely appreciated.
BTW
Ed Davis was originally supposed to be one of my guys, but the big problem is that I’m working at a grocery store, so my ability to scout and put up stats is hampered. So in other words, Patrick Patterson and Ed Davis are going back to the orphanage.
by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 16, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions
Out for the season
Well that blows. I knew Davis had an injury, but I guess it’s gonna keep him out for the rest of the year.
Now Davis is going to be really difficult to make a firm judgement on, his numbers are okay, but it was really important to see if he could transition to more of a lead option as the season went on. It seemed like he had a tendency to defer to his older teammates, but with UNC’s crappy season my hope was that he would start demanding the ball more and try to take things into his own hands.
It’s hard to accurately forecast his potential in the NBA without first seeing what he’s capable of in college as the lead option and UNC’s shot distribution was so insanely stupid— several players on UNC were shooting tons more shots per/game and per/minute than Davis, even though he was scoring way, way, way more efficiently— that it’s basically impossible to know what Davis might be capable of.
I read on draftexpress that Davis might return for his Junior season, he’s the son of an NBA player so he might not feel rushed to declare for the draft. Should be interesting.
Anyway, very good write-up and I rec’d, wish it could get one more rec so more people might discuss.

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