Timberwolves @ Pistons [Game Thread]
by Packey on Feb 16, 2010 6:38 PM CST
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Minnesota Timberwolves at Detroit Pistons, Feb 16, 2010 6:30 PM CST
A little communication break down at DBB HQ, so we're starting the post-ASW off on the wrong foot. Let's hope the Pistons do not follow. What will follow, is a full recap.
Anyway, Bill Laimbeer returns to Detroit again as the T-Wolves take on our beloved Pistons.
Remember this beaut'?
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ugh, stop talking about the playoffs, it makes them look delusional.
by Kriz on Feb 16, 2010 6:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Was hoping the pic would make everyone forget about the lack of a normal preview ;-)
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Lots of hope for the playoffs
At least judging from all this pre-tipoff talk.
They’re gonna have to go 22-9 (.70).
Our opponent has a worse record than we do
And how many more times will we be able to say that this year?
i hate bill simmons
he has 4 pistons listed as having untradeable contracts (in the worst 16)
while i don’t like some of our contracts, they’re definitely tradeable
4?!
Who?
Rip’s is bad, but not untradeable. If Zach Randolph can be traded, anyone can be.
Ben Gordon’s might be the only one.
Gotcha, thx.
I think this line from Simmons says it all: " I didn’t have the heart to put Kevin Garnett (3 years, $56.5 million) in here even though he belongs. I am in denial."
Rip, CV, BG, and Maxiell
Rip has like 4 years, 40+ million, CV has 5 and 40, BG 5 and 55, and maxiel 4 and 20. or something like that
but that includes this year. next year, with a strong season from any one of those guys, they’ll look real attractive
As I read it, this year is included in Simmons’ list.
And I don’t discount it due to the KG comment … we’re all biased, and at least he was honest about that one.
this year is included in that
which is why i think by the trade deadline next year, if rip is still scoring 18-20 ppg and staying healthy, some team will definitely pick up his remaining 2 years 25 million.
Got it.
In all honestly, w/ no bias, I’ll admit that Rip and BG’s deals are bad.
CV’s is decent, and is Max’s that bad? I mean, it’s not great, but it is really among the top 25 worst in the entire NBA?
Rip is bad, but not untradeable
if Corey Maggette can garner interest this year, rip can next year.
and i think maxiell looks more attractive next year, definitely not worst 25
Max’s contract is worse in hindsight than it was at the time.
I don’t know what criteria Simmons used, but it seems to me that “tradeability” had to be part of the decision-making process, and right now, contract length greatly, greatly impacts tradeability.
Max’s contract per annum isn’t the issue, IMO, it’s the length. Who wants a 6 and 6 guy for that many years of guaranteed money?
Top 25? Idk. But pretty bad.
Good points.
Gotta take into account the new CBA.
It just seems that “top 25” is extreme when there are guys like Nocioni, Carroll, Walton…all w/ arguably worse contracts than Max.
max's contract is pretty crappy, its not gilbert arenas awful
but he is at best an energy guy and at worst completely worthless.
I didn't see replay
But Jonas’ 2nd foul didn’t look like a foul live… was it?
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up to this point
Jerebko is shooting 78% in the last 3 1/4 games.
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fail
The moment Will Bynum and Charlie V step in, we blow a lead and fall down 6
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 7:06 PM CST reply actions
More CV than WB
Jonas was balling and had Love down, whereas CV hasn’t done shit. But in all fairness, WB hasn’t been MFWB in quite a while.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else notice...
At the beginning of the game how washed out the blue on the collar of Ben Wallace’s jersey was? And how Jonas had the “Mr. D” patch either covered up or missing?
Have even the equipment managers given up on this season?
You know you're bad
When your own announcers are running out of ways to promote you.
But in all fairness, I think Blaha and Special K are two of the best announcers in all of sports, and aren’t homers.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think we should trade
Tay for Kevin Love and their first round pick.
Love is nice, but Tay makes the perfect grandma to drive your team around! No more Monta Ellis moped issues!
/trailblazered
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 7:24 PM CST reply actions
So have you guys heard about the no fee guarantee yet? Man, hard to believe anyone would know about it with the lack of publicity it gets.
Playing well?
I just turned on the game, it’s halftime and we’re tied with Minnesota, and Kelser and blaha both agreed we were playing well.
Maxiell
I know he didn’t put up much in the way of stats out there but I thought he looked the best I’ve seen him look in a while. He looked like a legit big man fighting for boards and playing defense.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
i've liked maxiell as the backup center
when we slid him to the 4 and made him guard some perimeter shooting bigs, he’s just not the same. he does somehow does better in the post against bigger players (howard and chandler come to mind)
Even though there are some serious Sessions lovers here, I’m not sold on him yet…..
by garrettelliott on Feb 16, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
He lit us up for 40 or something last season, and he’s had some impressive per-48 numbers, I think.
by garrettelliott on Feb 16, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
JJ is awesome
Takes the hit, laughs in the guy’s face.
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Big Ben
Jammed that harder than Miguel Cabrera slapped his wife!
/horrible
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jesus Jonas
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Now if only he would get some more free throws, he would be elite!
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Is this the most dunks we’ve had all year? Every shot is a dunk!
by garrettelliott on Feb 16, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Nice!
Even when teh swede doesn’t score, we still win
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:10 PM CST reply actions
18-2
in the half. Minny is not good right now.
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Aren't they practically undefeated?
I think they’ve got the all team best record for any team out of any sport
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rip should have hit that
He’s been having trouble getting into rhythm lately since Gordon has returned, I’m really glad he hasn’t been pouting about it this time
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:13 PM CST reply actions
Hopefully
I think Rip still holds a lot of value to this team, especially with him resigning to facilitating more than scoring
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Man Love is bleeding all over the place tonight. Insert “time of the month” joke here.
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It's okay
Jonas just popped his Cherry, our little viking is becoming a man tonight
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I can’t believe how wrong we all were about Charlie V. His efficiency numbers were better than Bosh’s last year, it’s hard to imagine how he did considering just how bad he is at times.
I wonder how Joe will clean this mess up. Gordon can potentially be a cornerstone, CV….is better than Nazr I suppose
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
CV’s contract is right where it should have been, considering his numbers/age/etc. Obviously it looks bad right now, but in general I still don’t think we overpaid (at least by much). Benny G’s contract, however, is a bit much. I’m actually interested in seeing what type of player we could get for BG in a trade. I love Rip’s more all-around game and his newfound ability as a playmaker, and I’d rather have him stick around than BG. That being said, he is getting a little old and probably would rather play for a contender.
Gordon and Wallace making it happen tonight
Pistons killer B’s on a swarm!
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by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 16, 2010 8:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They're starting Ryan Hollins and Ryan Gomes
And they frequently start Damien Wilkins. They’re that bad.
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by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 16, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
kevin love has scored 6 of the 8 points for the twolves this quarter….
by don'tworryaboutit on Feb 16, 2010 8:21 PM CST reply actions
Cousins just PWNT Varnado
Epic spin move, got the bucket and the foul.
On a side note, Varnado’s frame is much better than draftexpress claims
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:22 PM CST reply actions
OT: The z key is amazing. One of my favourite things is when I just randomly press it and I go flying way back to the start of the thread for some random new reply that I never would have found otherwise.
Best new feature ever
The z key is the Jerebko of DBB
by bugman222 on Feb 16, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
rrrrrrrrrrrrrec'd
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z key: DBB :: Quick Darshan: Shane Battier
by -PS- on Feb 16, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I love it so much...
that I recite the alphabet starting with z and going backwards.
by Birdman84 on Feb 16, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Money?
I think Flynn has more guaranteed money over the next few years
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
That would be a strange reason to start him, but I guess it’s possible.
Gordon makes more than Rip, though, and CV makes more than Max or JJ.
Kuester > Rambis?
As many flaws as Kuester may have, he’s at least sensible enough to start his best players. Rip is a better team player than Gordon, and JJ just flat out offers more as a whole.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Where are Daye and Summers?
This game is clearly won, not even we can blow this lead.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:23 PM CST reply actions
where's our one true trading piece?
KWAME BROWN
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Didn't you hear?
The farther you sit on the bench, the more trade value you have. Summers must be worth LeBron by now!
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Is there an open seat or two down there for Tay and/or Rip?
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omg omg
Charlie stepped on the post for a couple of seconds.
by Kriz on Feb 16, 2010 8:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
FAIL!
There’s just no way Al Jefferson should be held down by Rip, talk about a lot of acting.
And he missed the free throw, he should have just powered through the contact
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 PM CST reply actions
I still don't get it
Even Darko would be playing right now, why aren’t Daye and Summers in the game?
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:30 PM CST reply actions
I think Summers is inactive.
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by SadPanda1 on Feb 16, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Narcoleptic.
Oh wait, we traded that guy.
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by SadPanda1 on Feb 16, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice jumper by Cousins
I’m telling you, this guy has some serious potential. His jumper looks very smooth, he just knocked down an 18 footer
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:33 PM CST reply actions
Reggie has nightmares about that block.
Prince is going to die before Reggie, just so he can block him from getting into heaven.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
anyone catch the joke on "All-Star Saturday"?
Reggie was saying something along the lines of, “don’t make me go get my sneakers and show these guys up” and I forget who it was but one of the announcers goes, “Don’t make us get Tayshaun Prince to come and stop you.” Reggie let out a nervous giggle.
/not exact quotes, but joke’s the same
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Come on, Q. Put Daye in.
to quote Chris Walken, “This guy… is un-FUCKING-believable.”
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There he is!
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by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 16, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny Del Negro is offended by your lack of respect
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by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 16, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
So I'm back, and what exactly were those halftime adjustments?
Because looking at the boxscore, they seem to have worked.
We started playing good.
In seriousness, we figured out how to stop getting killed inside, and literally everything clicked on offense. Probably our best offensive output of the season. The ball has moved quickly, we’ve rebounded on both ends, and we’ve pushed the ball off misses and turnovers.
Yeah, guys are moving without the ball, cutting into open lanes, and making the right pass. The offense actually looks………fluid.
by garrettelliott on Feb 16, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Daye with the Rip Hamilton pump-fake/pull-up combo
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If you’re watching now, just look how smoothly the ball is moving, how hard we’re playing on D, and how hard we’re crashing the boards.
That was the entire third quarter, and it won us the game.
Cool
So, um can we do this semi-regularly, or was it just a good stretch against a bad team, I wonder.
Eh, do we REALLY want to make a playoff push at this point?
Cousins, Wall, Favors, Turner, Aldrich, etc. or getting destroyed by LeBron again?
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
This was what I worried about
The team finally clicking together, causing us to tank the first half but end up with a decent draft pick. Talk about a complete fail of a season
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
This is the T'Wolves
One of two teams definitely worse than us. Don’t put too much weight into it.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Admit it
This offense looked great tonight. We probably won’t be getting half as many dunks, but we certainly look better than we did in the first half – which would have only netted us the 6th pick. That’s why I’m scared we’ll end up around 10, if this team plays somewhat good defense, they’ll probably go at least .400 the rest of the season, which is considerably better than what they are now
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
It’s likely the latter scenario, but we’ll find out for sure tomorrow against the Magic if tonight’s game was indeed just a fluke/great stretch.
Orlando's a bad example
We always play them tough, for no damn reason at this point.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Random question.
My roommate and I were reminiscing about when the Pistons had Corliss Williamson coming off the bench. They got him in a trade from Toronto that was JYD & Montross for Coriss, two expiring deals & a future first-rounder. What happened to that pick? Did they select somebody or was that swapped in another deal down the road?
The only trades I see concerning any draft picks between the two teams...
..was a 2nd round pick Toronto gave us which we then gave to the Miami Heat. They selected Rasual Butler in 2002 NBA Draft.
Toronto had two first round draft picks..
..in that same draft. But it doesn’t say where they got the first one (which was probably just their own) they traded the pick to Houston. And the second one was from Seattle and New York and nothing from Detroit.
The only other draft Toronto had more than one first round draft pick was the 2005 NBA draft and that might be a little too far out.
icanhasQ=goodcoach?
I think this like the second time we’ve 30 assists, about time really – especially after how much we heard about Q being an offensive genius.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:50 PM CST reply actions
Kwame "be a wall" Brown!
Whoever coined “be a wall” please speak up so I can credit you.. It was last year sometime.
Just got back home
And I have not checked out the game. It sounds very good.
Nah, that was just Dumars
Everyone said he looked like he had a stroke.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still skeptical
But he’s got more potential than I thought. Very much a Rashard Lewis player.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda, but Lewis is a very good athlete, where as Daye is a smarter player but has near zero athleticism
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I think Daye has decent athleticism.
Nothing special, but he ain’t a log like Brad Miller or something.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Austin-Daye-1316/
He was at the bottom of his class. In fact his combine results were so bad that some people thought he dogged them.
I personally don’t think his speed is nearly as bad as the numbers represent, but his so the more he can leg press, the more he accelerates, thus higher he jumps jumping ability can use a lot of work. But that’s where Ben Wallace comes in. F=ma, (W=mgh)
In all fairness to him, he looks like he’s bulked up a bit. He no longer looks like tree bark, he has been upgraded to toothpick.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
not in the game
I’ve been watching the game periodically, and he hasn’t been in the game since around the 11 minute mark.
I don’t understand Calipari’s rotations, Cousins’ minutes are often extremely inconsistent and yet he’s the best player on their team.
by bearded thundar on Feb 16, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
that we can beat the league's second worst team?
Would you like me to give you Hubie Brown's home telephone number so that you can actually call him yourself to confirm that he is someone who knows me?
Check the empty Palace
To beat the traffic in this game, you leave after the game’s over.
by Roll The Dyess on Feb 16, 2010 8:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Pavlovic is still in the NBA?
Barely I see, but still… How far has his star fallen?
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He used to start next to LeBron. Now he’s a roster filler in Minnesota.
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stuckey
I’m also very happy to see that other guards are healthy enough to play more time than stuckey now.
agreed
4 healthy guards means, well, i won’t go there.
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haha no
f khandor. i’ve long held the point that once all four of our guards back and healthy, one of them in particular isn’t the driving force of our offense.
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Looking at the Box score for the game
37 Assists…
That is Amazing.
Sell high JOD!
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by SadPanda1 on Feb 16, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm still waiting for Rip to stop sucking.
Another great shooting night there, Rip.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Well, that was a fun second half.
I’m going to take complete credit, since that’s when I started watching.
come on birdman
share! i didn’t sit down until halftime. no fair! pouts
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I watched only the first half
Guess you guys can blame me for that.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I had Steve Nash and Will Bynum starting on my fantasy team
Assists: 39-9 so far.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 9:10 PM CST reply actions
on a sadder note
george karl has throat cancer
Well wishes towards Karl, but honestly?
I think the team is better off without him.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's not that I don't want him to get healthy, but I don't think he's a good coach.
Billups is more of a coach than he is.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
No, I’m pretty sure I wanted Michael Curry to die.
by TDP on Feb 16, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ouch
As human beings, I have nothing against either Curry or Karl. I wish Karl a speedy recovery and hope for the best.
But as a coach, I don’t think he’s that good. And I think Denver is better off as a team without him as a head coach. That has nothing to do with Karl as a human being.
by Terrence J. Lynch on Feb 16, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't that basically mean...
skin cancer in your neck?
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in most cases, yeah
It sounds like he might have what his son had in 2006 – thyroid cancer. If that’s the case and it’s “treatable and curable” then it’s probably of the papillary variety and there’s a high cure rate — even of men his age — close to 100%. It might not be that, though, since they’re not calling it that and just saying “throat” and that there was a lump.
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so what don't you know a ton about?
because you seem to know at least something about everything.
Not saying it’s annoying, I’m more or less impressed.
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nah
Family full of doctors and my dad just recovered from the same cancer/surgery.
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Props to Old Man Packey
for his courage in the face of cancer.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
don't discount yourself...
you’re a pretty smart guy regardless.
and I hope your dad gets well.
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