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Official DeMarcus Cousins Scouting Report (Update 1)

DeMarcus Cousins:

A truly marvelous physical specimen; he is the George Bush of collegiate big men: he has a dominant brand of basketball, but could use some better decision making.

6'11"
260 pounds
Excellent frame but needs to lose weight
Lack of great jumping ability (should improve with better conditioning)
Very Mobile feet
Soft Hands

Strengths:

DeMarcus has made me a fan of NCAA basketball.  Literally, I have watched more Kentucky games this year than any other in my entire life.  This is quite understandable, as in the past, the Pistons never really had a shot at getting any of the dominant players anyways. 

The first thing I noticed when I turned on the tv, is that you can discern him at all times on the court.  This is a true acknowledgment to his physical attributes as he is often deep in the post, surrounded at all sides by a zone constructed specifically for him and John Wall.  Needless to say (which quite frankly I would not be writing this post if it was needed), that has not slowed either of them down.

Number 15 has two things that allow him to operate in such fashion: his size and his hands.  Cousins is able to pin his back against any man with his great leg strength and then look over the top of all other players simply due to his height.  This makes it very easy for him to see the court from a very good position, and his soft hands allow him to finish from just about any pass.  His touch is so great that often times it makes up for his lack of explosiveness, as he has a great right hook that he almost always gets fouled on and more than half the time connects. 

The first time I think he's ever truly had some difficulty getting position was against DeAundre Cranston, who happens to be 260 pounds himself.  The result?  Cousins had 18 points, 13 rebounds and 4 blocks in 29 minutes.  Cranston?  5 points and 3 rebounds.  This is entirely due to Cousins' great footwork.  He loves to seal off his man against the basket, and then quickly spin off with said right hook.  At least the NCAA level, this move has been nearly unstoppable, as he gets fouled on just about every miss.  Which is almost just as bad for the opponent, as he is a competent free throw shooter, resulting in on average 1.3 points and foul trouble.  And if that doesn't work (which it almost always does), he simply lowers his right shoulder and bulls his way to the rim.

Another thing that has extremely impressed me is his ball handling ability.  I'll let the video speak for itself.

His shooting mechanics are very good and quite consistent, however his shot could use a bit more ark (akin to Rodney Stuckey).  He doesn't quite have the best range yet, but I can see him mastering the turn-around-glasser ala Tim Duncan in the future, employing it out to 15 feet or so.  But I almost don't want him to develop that shot because of how 3 happy CV and Sheed are.  Sheed was an efficiency machine before he developed a legitimate 3 point shot, and now he is almost perversely in love with it - which could also be due to lazyness.  The thing I like about Cousins' positioning is that, by design, he always goes to the opposite side of the paint that the guard drives on.  This is because, unlike most centers, he can rebound from just about anywhere, so it not only frees up the lane but also leaves him open on cleanup duty.  Thus we have plenty of space for (Rodney) to operate and also a guy that doesn't need plays called to score.

Lastly I'd like to talk about his (very underrated) passing ability.  Some people have pegged him as a black hole.  I disagree, CV is a black as once he starts his drives, it always ends in a shot.  Cousins deals with many double teams and I think he has done a commendable job of passing either to cutting guards or above them to Patterson.

I think a fair comparison to Cousins is a less athletic Shaq with a (potentially) better shooting touch and decent handles.  Both of them are (or were in Shaq's place) able to get excellent positioning, have soft hands and very good footwork.  The key difference is that Shaq was in monsterous condition coming out of college, and Cousins needs to hit the weight room quite a bit.  Shaq actually had a 36" vertical back then (according to draft express), while our boy seems to barely get off the ground.

 

Weaknesses:

I will do my best to point out his flaws in an unbiased manner, as I think it is just as important to understand our problems, before they are unfixable, as it is to recognize strengths.

The most glaring flaw is his lack of true explosiveness. It's really disappointing to see a guy with his size and ability get his shot blocked in the same manner Stuckey does because of (lack of) explosiveness. He does everything right, but plays below the rim too often, which is hurting his efficiency.  And that is the scary thing, with all his conditioning problems, he still is a demi-god from a PER standpoint.

Calipari made an interesting comment, he said that against Vanderbilt, Cousins would have to really jump hard.  This made me wonder if he is horrifically unathletic as he seems at times or if that is a manor of laziness due to supreme ability at a non-elite level.  I think it is a combination of his weight issues and also mindset. However, Blair has certainly shown that once he lost the weight, he became much more explosive and is a dominant rebounder in the NBA despite his size.  Just imagining what he could do with DeMarcus' body gives me wet dreams.

Getting onto mindset, draftexpress has him picked very low for his talent level due to this attitude.  He does, in fact, pick up cheap fouls here and there due to anger issues.  But honestly, I like that in a player.  I think its that desire to win that lets him rebound at such a high clip and get such great positioning.  A key example of this is Robin Lopez, who shattered a glass door when he lost in a 3 on 3 drill.  Lopez has been exactly what Phoenix needs, as his mean-streak brings a guy who defends the post, rebounds, scores efficiently and blocks shots (you really have to wonder why he wasn't playing before).   

Believe it or not, but I think he also needs more upper body strength.  His legs are great, but his hands are almost too soft.  Often times he will get great positioning, jump and get the ball, only to have someone slap it out of his hands.  I think a bit more upper body strength (without hurting his touch, of course) will help him out a lot in that department, as he simply cannot overpower NBA players on a consistent basis as long as this is a problem.

 

Imminent Thoughts:

Being a classical muscian, every time I watch him, Mars by Gustav Holst comes to mind.  He is without a doubt dominating all lower competition, and he isn't even close to scratching his potential.

What our boy needs is a mentor who knows the weight room better than his own Body, understands timing and positioning and knows the leadership aspect of the game.  A guy like Ben Wallace.  *Bearded Thundar double takes 3 times* 

What a Coincidence!  WE have a Ben Wallace!  And here I thought that old dude was just some rich fan that got to join the team because Joe owed him a favor. 

It is no secret, I am a huge fan of Cousins, to the point I would actually draft Wall purely to trade him for Cousins and a future first round pick. Wall will be a very good player, but quite frankly I think Darren Collison has shown that understanding the position is more important than elite athleticism; and Rose is a smarter player in my humble opinion.  Cousins, on the other hand, has the potential to be an unforced 20 and 10 player for years to come.  By this I mean scoring not only by creating for himself and others, but also by simply being the clean up man.  We have sorely been missing a big man who will not only clean up the glass and get put backs, but also score at any time at a high clip.  As long as Ben Wallace is helping to help him out past retirement, and honestly I don't think there is any chance Big Ben stops working on his conditioning, Cousins will become a dominant player in the NBA.

I will close with this final remark: as important as it is to be a great player, we need someone that knows how to be a fun teammate for the sake of chemistry.

Sheed vs Cousins

 

Update (2/13/2010):

I think I finally understand what draftexpress meant by saying attitude issues.  DeMarcus Cousins is a very emotional player.  This is what drives him to get so many rebounds, but at the same time allows him to lose his composer due to immaturity. 

This was the first time I had ever seen Cousins truly neutralized.  One could blame this on the facts that it is the 13th or that John Wall may just be one of the worst passing "superstar" points guards I have ever seen, but I'd like to go with Tennessee's big men.

Granted it took a zone, designed specifically to contain him and Wall, and had 3 people constantly getting in his face and pushing him around to stop; but the disappointing thing is that in the end, it wasn't the opposing bodies that stopped him, but rather his own frustrations.  He only had  points, going only 1-8 at the line.

He is a very good shooter for a big man, but is very inconsistent due to his emotions.  He has gone 8-8 and 9-10 on some nights, and then turns around and goes 3-8 or 1-8 on others. 

Part of the reason he went 1-8 and only had 6 shots tonight was that Calipari was constantly yanking him every time his temper flared, meaning his play time wasn't consistent and thus couldn't get into a good rhythm.  But the other part was that Tennessee was extremely physical with him and the refs let a lot of it slide on both ends.  Not getting the calls he wanted, his temper started going wild and he got the tech (that benched him for the rest of the half).  And thus you have an extremely talented player who fails to hit 6 points despite having 8 free throws.

There's two ways to look at this:

1.  He's got extremely fragile mental toughness and could end up as a combination of Sheed and Darko, very firey and unable to handle the media.  You could even add a pinch of Eddy Curry into this stew, as he already has mediocre conditioning.  Judging that he already has bigger boobs than the average high school girl, his team should probably hide all forms of ice cream from him.

2.  His skill level is off the charts and once he learns how to channel his anger into his game, such as LeBron or Shaq (in his prime), will be an unstoppable force. 

As I have mentioned before, having the right mentor will make the world of a difference in his development.  Part of the reason why Kwame flopped so badly is that Jordan was absolutely the worst person to have as a support buddy, a guy like Kuester would have been much better for him.  I personally don't think there's any coincidence that Rodman went insane in Chicago. 

Cousins will need a hardass on his tail, akin to Sheed.  Ideally, Larry Brown would be the best coach for him to have.  But clearly that is not an option.  However, this could just be me, but I firmly believe Ben Wallace had just as much, if not more to do with Sheed's containment than LB.  The reason for this is that Sheed performed just fine in 05-06 under Flip, but never (regardless of coach) after that.  Not to mention Larry Brown got completely fed up with Stephon Marbury, who arguably is more pompous but less explosive than Sheed.  Coincidence?  I think not.

There's just no way you get into the face of a full Fro'd Ben Wallace back in the early 2000s.  I have no doubt that Big Ben will want keep up his conditioning, but the question is how much longer will his body allow him to?  We all know he is the perfect member for Cousins, but at best he's get a few years left of being in the league, even as a mentor ala Chucky.  I'm willing to be he'll take some personal years, and then come back as an assistant coach because of his passion for the game.  So in that time, what coach will we have?  How strong will that coach be?  Will Body's work have perminently rubbed off or will be just a band aid, like it was with Sheed?

These are the questions that Joe will be asking himself if Cousins is still on the board.  I personally have liked just about everything Kuester has done excepted for his rotations, which seem to reveal a bit of Curry in him.  If he doesn't have the balls to bring Tayshaun off the bench after coming off a major injury, how can he work with someone as emotional as Cousins?

Now in his defense, he has been very good with the young guys.  Say what you will, but Rodney has made definite strides in his game, especially decision making.  If you take out that zero assist game against Indy (where everyone sucked), he's averaging 9 assists and  1.6 turnovers over the past week.  And that would be only 1 turnover if he hadn't run out of gas in the fourth quarter against Sactown. 

Coach Q knows his shit, and Joe has said he's got job security.  If (or once) Tay is moved, I think the lockerroom will settle down.  He seems to be the only person who really doesn't want to be a Piston anymore, even Rip has settled for the role of facilitator instead of scorer.  Cousins is still extremely young (especially mentally) and that's why he blows up on the court.  I think he's at a stage where the guys he looks up to will determine whether he plays like Blair or Perkins (who mind you is right behind Sheed in techs).  IMHE, the impact Ben will have will stick and Kuester's positive nature will be the perfect situation for him to grow into the next Shaq.

The other fact of the matter, which I purposely left out until the end, is that he still had 6 offensive rebounds in the limited, inconsistent minutes, finishing with 12 boards.  Really my only complaint is that he stopped hustling down the floor onto defense consistently once he got the tech (which is why he didn't get that many defensive boards), but even still played good defense, always staying close to his man.  In fact, the primary reason for having so few defensive boards is that he had to make extra rotations to contest perimeter shots that Kentucky's guards left open.  In other words, his attitude is primarily affecting his offense, and not as much his defense, which I think is a very big sign that he has matured since the start of the season.

The most important unknown: will he still be on the board come draft night?

If anything, this outburst does us a favor more than hurts Cousins in my book.  We already have a great situation for him to grow, perhaps the only better place would be under Gregg Popovich and Tim Duncan (and Blair for that matter).  With how much Blair dropped in the draft and yet still ended up dominating the NBA, I don't think DeMarcus falls any lower than 7th overall.  However, I don't think he's going to go second anymore either.  If anything, he should end up closer to 5, which puts him in prime position for us to snatch.  All that remains is for Joe to make the call to David Stearn on draft night.

Star-divide

Please post your thoughts on Cousins.  I'd like to develop a great resource for all who want to follow the draft, but do not have access or the time to watch NCAA games.

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Agreed

Outstanding contribution, sir. Very much appreciated.

by Matt Watson on Feb 3, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yessss

This is really awesome.

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by Packey on Feb 3, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Very nice write-up.

My one word of caution: Don’t get your hopes too high. I’m an NBA draft addict, and I went into last years draft praying on my knees that Blair or Lawson would fall to us. They did. Jod passed. The year before I went in hoping against hope that DeAndre Jordan would fall to us in the late first round. He did. Jod passed. I’ve just had to accept that whatever it is that Jod looks for when judging prospects, it’s totally different than what I would look for if I were in his shoes.

Right now, Cousins is putting up numbers that suggest he can be a dominant player in the NBA. But, I’m pretty sure Jod isn’t a “numbers guy.” And, Langlois has been going on and on about how after the AI debacle, Jod is putting an emphasis on “character…” So, yeah, we probably shouldn’t get our hopes up too much.

by Gabe F-B on Feb 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

no surprise

that you and I shared an identical pre-draft ritual. Jod has done nothing but disappoint in the draft, and while I love Jerebko he alone doesn’t make up for the fuckup of a draft this was in 2009.

by Mike Payne on Feb 3, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I was upset at Dumars for passing on Lawson and Blair. In fairness, I was also mad at him for drafting Jerebko. I believe my turn of phrase was “I’m Swedish, would you draft me?”

by Birdman84 on Feb 3, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, my gf had a friend over the night the draft was going on… They were both out the door about 2 minutes after the Summers pick was announced. I was about as angry as anything basketball related can possibly make me.

by Gabe F-B on Feb 3, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

I know your pain man. My fiance knows to steer the hell clear during playoff-ending games, and now the draft as well. I’ve said some rather choice words to girlfriends in the past who’ve added such sage advice as “oh well, next year right?” or “well its just a game” and “is kobe on the team that beat you?”.

by Mike Payne on Feb 3, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Fiance?

I didn’t realize that was legal in Iowa. Congratulations!

by Birdman84 on Feb 4, 2010 6:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

at least you know why Gulker and I argue so much now. I think he’s going to make a wonderful wife though!

by Mike Payne on Feb 4, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would hope that if we get a pick in the 4-7 range and Cousins is available, JoD ignores his “charater” requirement and takes him anyways. But I suppose Aldrich may be available then as well so if we got one of the two, I’d be content.

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Feb 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Since I don’t watch NCAA, I’m easily swayed by these detailed analyses. Sign me up on the Cousins bandwagon!

Also, to help further educate myself, I did a YouTube search and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBKyoSBEAnQ

Oh, wait a second…

by garrettelliott on Feb 3, 2010 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

He needs to work on his conditioning

As I pointed out in the weaknesses section, he isn’t very explosive, much of which I think is due to carrying a bunch of extra weight (the man is around 260-270 pounds). I think with Ben Wallace as a mentor, 2 years from now that becomes a blocked shot. But in his fairness, I think that was a charge. Perhaps the ref thought his feet weren’t set, but Leslie clearly ran him over.

by bearded thundar on Feb 3, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Character issues

Can somebody tell me where the character issues thing is coming from? I’m just curious, because it almost made me say, “No thanks to that, I’d like to have that nice Aminu boy with the tremendous upside”.

Is he like a Sheed attitude kind of guy or is he an egomaniac like Marbury?

by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 3, 2010 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

with those numbers

I wouldn’t care if he were half Sheed, half Marbury.

by Mike Payne on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

For one he apparently punched a dude as he was leaving the court last month. Fans rushed the court so he cleared some space, Jermaine O’Neal style.

http://www.collegehoopsjournal.com/2010/01/27/demarcus-cousins-allegedly-threw-two-punches-at-a-south-carolina-student/

by Matt Watson on Feb 3, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

thats what we need, some “bad boys” type shit. not so much the punching, but the whole scrapyness and what not.

by Band Aid on Feb 4, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why I want Cousins in the draft

He can drop a bunch of points, but he’s scrappy.

by Biz Markie Moon on Feb 4, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck it I'm sold

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 4, 2010 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

I'm with Gabe and MP

Insofar as Joe seems to do the exact opposite of what I think with respect to the draft.

However, and this may be hoping against hope here, if there’s one thing that should be obvious to anyone with eyesight, this team needs big men. There’s no way around it, and Jod simply has to perceive it.

Our best shot at a big man is the draft, as we will have a high pick, and there are several good big men in this draft. Again, I think Joe has to perceive this — a franchise-altering big man on a rookie deal? It’s a win for the team’s future success, it’s a win in anticipation of a new CBA, and it’s a win for future ownership (rookie contracts are great in that respect).

I probably won’t watch any college ball ’til March, so I greatly appreciate this write-up.

by brgulker on Feb 4, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

With the number four pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, the Detroit Pistons select...

ED DAVIS! What a nice kid! There’s your big man! sad trumpet noise

If that actually happened, I might consider shooting someone. I’m so high on Cousins that I would pick him over Wall, and DEFINITELY over Favors/Turner (who I love on another team, but definitely doesn’t work here).

Jonas Jerebko - the Tiger Woods of Swedish Basketball

by Thom_not_Tom on Feb 4, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we should take John Wall...

And then trade him for Cousins and said team’s 1st rounder next year. Fuck, grab some second rounder’s too.

by The Joel on Feb 4, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

If that could be negotiated before the pick is made, then my oh my yes.

by brgulker on Feb 4, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

my sentiments exactly

I wrote that in my last paragraph. I don’t think Wall will live up to the hype of being better than Chris Paul; however, I feel at the very least, Cousins will be a Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson type player (meaning 20 and 10 but minimal defense) and at his peak can be one of the top 3 big men in the NBA.

by bearded thundar on Feb 4, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumars' upcoming draft is kinda like Mayhew's

(Lions GM)

Most fans desire/expectations are that Mayhew and Schwartz are going to draft O-Line and D-Line.. Dumars needs to get some big, defensive powerhouses to play front court.

If the Lions and Pistons don’t have focused, strong drafts- both front offices will hear about it until their pink slips are recieved.. and after.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 4, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn’t it be great if Dumars just came out after the draft lotto and said, “We’re taking Cousins?” Bam!

by garrettelliott on Feb 4, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

How coincidental

You know, it’s funny.

One day after I post this, draft express moves Cousins all the way from the 8th pick to the 4th pick. Very interesting.

by bearded thundar on Feb 4, 2010 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

Team Cousins

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

im on board with cousins

i dont watch much college ball, but im going to dvr some kentucky games to check him out. from what im hearing on this blog he sounds like the guy we need. beardo is right though, his stock is rising lately, hopefully we are terrible enough to get a top 3 pick or so.

by dandresden on Feb 4, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

Whenever one guy moves up

Another talent gets displaced… I’m confident that there will be a jewel of a pick waiting for us. Dumars just has to get him. Then condition him into a Detroit Basketbrawler

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 4, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

I'd be shocked if Dumars didn't take a big.

Cousins and Favors have the star potential. Aldrich looks like a guaranteed role player at worst. Favors is probably the safest pick, because he’s a ridiculous athlete.

by Quick Darshan on Feb 5, 2010 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

I'd like to see more of him

but i wasn’t that impressed by favors last night. Didn’t even seem to be the best big on his own team. Watching cousins, it’s hard to miss the guy, and with favors, it was like he was kinda invisible.

by C$ on Feb 5, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Kentucky vs LSU

http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/player?gameId=300370099&sportCode=&league=undefined

So far Cousins has showed off more of his footwork, employing the seal and quick spinoff I mentioned earlier. Nice rebounding in traffic also. Not scoring with his usual efficiency yet, but he definitely is making his presence felt.

by bearded thundar on Feb 6, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

correction

Minutes were wrong, that was 15 minutes into the game (he sat out with some foul trouble). Actually he has 15 and 9 in 11 minutes as of now.

by bearded thundar on Feb 6, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

final update

He finished the game with 19 points, 13 rebounds off 50% shooting in 20 minutes. Damn impressive if you ask me. I don’t care what attitude problems he might have; if he’s on the board, I say snatch him.

by bearded thundar on Feb 7, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

Attitude can eventually iron itself out, if you address it early enough in a player’s career.

A guy like Carmelo has taken years to do it- but now he’s indispensable to the McNuggets.

Roscoe also comes to mind, although he never truly put it aside, obviously… but was very productive for a number of seasons with Detroit.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 7, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Roscoe also comes to mind, although he never truly put it aside, obviously… but was very productive for a number of seasons with Detroit.

The thing about Sheed and Detroit is this: Sheed had a bad attitude, and yes, it hurt us from time to time — but his attitude never blew up the franchise. There was enough strength in terms of coaches, management, and other players to keep him in check.

Now, a lot’s changed since then, in spite of it not being that long ago, but I simply don’t see the Pistons as the type of franchise that will allow itself to crumble under the weight of one young kind’s bad attitude. As long as Joe D has the reigns, that is something I don’t think we Piston fans have to worry about.

by brgulker on Feb 7, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My biggest fear

Is that the pistons will somewhat turn it around due to having all their players back, and end up with the 7th or 8th pick. Talk about a wasted tank season if we don’t even get the prize. Cousins is rising on the draft boards very rapidly, and I don’t think I’m the only one who values him more than John Wall.

by bearded thundar on Feb 7, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so, man.

They have everyone back right now except Killanueva and they still are a mess most nights.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 7, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Bynum and Gordon

They aren’t back to full speed yet, especially Bynum – his defense is atrocious. I’m stumped as to why he has been in 4th quarters, both times we saw a lead instantly disappear due to Devin Harris abusing him.

This team isn’t nearly as bad as its record says they are, imo. That could be just me, but I feel they are a .500 team with everyone healthy.

by bearded thundar on Feb 7, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be nice.

I think to improve, we need to trade one of the vets, and try to reset the approach and mentality to every game. I agree- You look at the names on that roster and they don’t match up with our record… but here we are. I expected more, even knowing that this was a rebuilding season.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 7, 2010 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

Just looked at his stats

Wow. Dude’s averaging 16 and 10 in only 21 minutes per game. Are you kidding me? My goodness.

by CodyB on Feb 9, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

ESPN showed his adjusted per-40 numbers the other night...

It was something like 38/20/5blks, not to mention he’s leading the nation (and everyone in the last decade in college hoops) in PER…

by The Joel on Feb 9, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That’s freaking ridiculous. A point a minute, a rebound every other. I want this guy. Now.

by CodyB on Feb 9, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Another pretty good game

He “only” had 16 and 13 in 31 minutes this time, but the efficiency he scored at was ridiculous. He took only 8 shot attempts.

by bearded thundar on Feb 10, 2010 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

He gets to the line at a ridiculous rate.

~14FT attempts per 40 minutes. And converting at 66%, which can be improved upon (remember, he’s a freshman). He is without a doubt the top pick in the draft for me.

Oh, and John Wall looked good in last night’s game… but in a Jamal Crawford kind of way.

by The Joel on Feb 10, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

As I pointed out earlier, his shooting mechanics are solid. He has plenty of room to improve. I wouldn’t call him Elton Brand just yet, but that’s the kind of player he projects to be, but a better rebounder.

Also I’ve said this several times, I don’t think Wall is nearly as good as the hype. I think Jamal Crawford is a fair comparison, he’s athletic and can score, but Rodney’s a better setup man, which isn’t saying all that much. 95% of his assists come due to having extremely talented teammates that are great catch and shoot players, not to mention his bigs can all create for themselves.

Kentucky is the number 1 team in the nation, but it’s not because of John Wall. He’s extremely turnover prone and has a pretty bad ast/to ratio. This team is great because of the tandem of Patterson and Cousins, both have greatly exceeded expectations (Patterson’s numbers are down due to Cousins, but his impact is huge due to his new outside shooting). It doesn’t hurt that they have a bunch of 3 point specialists either.

by bearded thundar on Feb 10, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You have

Sold me on this person. I do not watch college basketball that often but Demarcus Cousins sounds like an absolutely wonderful player to have in Detroit Pistons.

by Taiwanese Tora on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome to Detroit Bad Boys, Tora.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 10, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Official Ed Davis scouting report:

Absofuckinglutely NO. NO. NO. I watched the entire Duke-UNC game last night, and I can’t even remember seeing him. Apparently he blocked 6 shots. Don’t give a shit. Pass. Next. Anyone else. Much rather have that Aminu kid, and I don’t want that Aminu kid AT ALL.

by The Joel on Feb 11, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly what I've been saying

Just say NO to Ed Davis. Some people are saying Favors is a hard worker, so I’ll give him a pass on his production as a freshmen. But Ed Davis has been a collosal disappointment to me. I keep hearing comparisons to Emeka and Bosh. What the hell tv have they been watching? This guy is not active at all on the court and has a mediocre finesse game.

That’s why I’m starting to get nervous with all our players coming back. I’m going to be pissed beyond hell if we end up tanking this season just to get Davis because we managed to get only the 10th pick.

We need either a smart defensive player or a dominant post player, and Davis is no where near close to both. I don’t think Cousins will fall past the 5th pick (but then again somehow Brook Lopez did), but for sure Aldrich should be on the board up to the 10th pick. He’s not a sexy name but his game really compliments our team. Those are the only two guys I want in Joe’s consideration for this draft. I don’t care if he has to trade Will Bynum to move up, we need to cash in this year.

by bearded thundar on Feb 11, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I do not wanna be stuck with some scrub for a draft pick this year.

Dumars, do not disappoint me.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Stats!

Some statistical analysis of the various prospects here.

dodges tomatoes

by brgulker on Feb 12, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

This confirms what I've been thinking

Cousins is far more important to Kentucky’s success than Wall has been. Honestly, Wall has been quite disappointing. The only thing he’s done consistently is score with a large volume of shots and turn the ball over at an alarming rate. Hmm…Extremely athletic guard that loves to score without setting up teammates..Sound familiar anyone?

This is not to say he’s a cAnswer (yet), but rather that he’s very much overrated. I’ll take skill+IQ over athleticism any day of the week.

by bearded thundar on Feb 12, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Talk about Attitude

Cousins had an emphatic put back slam right over two of Tennessee’s bigs. On the down side, he’s gotten a tech already and hasn’t seen the court much. But the fact that he’s got 7 rebounds in such little time is impressive.

At half time he’s got only 4 points, but he’s also shot the ball only 4 times, not to mention he’s playing against a pretty talented front line. Regardless, I’m expecting a big game out of him, as Kentucky is currently down 1 on their homecourt (where they are undefeated).

by bearded thundar on Feb 13, 2010 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

Disappointing finish

Cousins let his anger get the best of him, and he finished with 5 points, going an atrocious 1-8 at the line.

I’m starting to understand what the emotional issues we’ve been hearing about mean, check out the update in the report for my latest analysis.

Also on a side note, John Wall may just be the worst passing “superstar” point guard I have seen. He completely took over the game in the second half, but purely by scoring a bunch of points. His first assist came midway through the second half by handing the ball off to Bledsoe, not what I call a creative passer.

If it wasn’t for Coach Cal’s great work with Tyreke Evans and Derrick Rose, I’d say Wall is right on track to be Stephon Marbury (with a better attitude of course) or Jamal Crawford. I just don’t see any of these comparisons to Chris Paul, especially not Isiah (or at least I assume that’s why he wears 11) beyond quickness and shooting ability. Isiah’s game was built on a lot craftiness and creativity, where as Wall is almost more predictable than Stuckey was last year.

by bearded thundar on Feb 14, 2010 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the update, bt.

I agree that Tay has so far failed to adapt, while Rip seems to be doing well. Maybe a Prince trade (most likely this off-season) will reset the Pistons.

by -PS- on Feb 14, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take an unstable, emotional big man who’s capable of dominating over a PG who loves to shoot any day of the week.

Keep Ben Wallace around for one more year to help him channel that passion, and we’re good to go.

by brgulker on Feb 14, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

More than 1

Cousins is still very young and in a turning point in his career. He’ll need a stabilizing influence for at least 2-3 to steer him right. Otherwise you’ll have another Sheed on your hands.

I think Big Ben would be willing to do it, but once again, it all comes down to if his body can keep up. Unlike guys like Kareem or Mutumbo who didn’t even have to jump to get rebounds, Ben’s had to rely on athleticism and timing for his entire career. I’m not sure how much more those knees can sustain.

BUT, he could always swallow his pride and settle for a Sam Cassell or Lindsay Hunter role. He’d rarely be playing (something he’ll have a tough time with if the Pistons continue to suck), but he could still have an immense impact in the locker room.

by bearded thundar on Feb 14, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Assistant coach would be fine, too.

by brgulker on Feb 14, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I noted in the update that Big Ben will likely take a few personal years and then come back as an assistant. That seems to be the trend with guys who played with Body’s level of passion, as they need a break, but can’t completely steer away from the game.

by bearded thundar on Feb 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Ben will likely take a few personal years and then come back as an assistant.

 I’ve been hoping for this. We’ll see. I think that his work ethic and what he has accomplished would transfer well from playing/mentoring to coaching.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 14, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

I would have liked Sheed to come back as a mentor too, but I’m not sure the organization trusts him anymore. He’s also been a good influence on the young guys in the locker room (talk about what he could accomplish on Cousins’ outside shooting), it’s his blow ups against the coach that probably preventing any chance of that.

by bearded thundar on Feb 14, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

When a loss is no longer solely on your shoulders as a starter

or even player, for that matter- and there’s no more drama over minutes, etc.

I think things become simpler.

Roscoe knows he’s approaching the end of his career as a player, I think. He may still lead the league in technical fouls, but his talking shit to Flip Saunders days should be on their way out.

‘Sheed would be a fantastic member of our coaching staff, both Wallaces would excel. I’m 100% behind that concept.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Feb 14, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

People wanting to watch Cousins

For those interested, 5 of Kentucky’s last 6 games are nationally televised:

February 16 at Mississippi State 9:00 PM ET
February 20 at No. 19 Vanderbilt 6:00 PM ET
February 25 South Carolina 9:00 PM ET
February 27 at No. 18 Tennessee 12:00 PM ET CBS

March 3 at Georgia 8:00 PM ET
March 7 Florida 12:00 PM ET CBS

Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.

by The Boourns on Feb 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

I'm most interested in the Miss game

Cousins vs Varnado.

Shaq vs Ben Wallace, if you will.

well…not really, but it still should be a fun game that features two guys on our radar

by bearded thundar on Feb 15, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Tourney Update

I haven’t been able to watch the last 2 games due to schoolwork, but check out these numbers

19 and 9 off 9 of 10 shooting
16 and 7 off 7 of 8 shooting

Very impressive for a freshman that reportedly has maturity issues

by bearded thundar on Mar 26, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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