Utah Bebops Detroit: Jazz 115, Pistons 104
I only caught the final six minutes of this one and, despite my best efforts to indulge the masochist in me, because the game was on NBA TV, I can't watch it on demand via my NBA League Pass.
Therefore, you're stuck with potent quotes from the mainstream media, who may or may not use less cuss words than I would have.
What Happened? The Detroit Free Press has the basic overview:
The Jazz had seven players in double figures as they posted their 10th straight victory over Detroit. Former Pistons center Mehmet Okur finished with 18 points, while Carlos Boozer had 11 points and 12 rebounds.
Detroit also had seven players score at least 10 points, led by Charlie Villanueva’s 19, but couldn’t avoid its seventh loss in eight games.
Cue people jumping into their DeLorean's to go back in time to re-sign Mehmet Okur instead of Rasheed Wallace. "Where we're going we don't need roads."
And it's not to the playoffs, as MLIVE astutely points out:
The loss was the 42nd of the season for the Pistons, who saw their streak of seven consecutive seasons come to an end when they finished 39-43 last season. The Pistons would finish 40-42 if they were to win all of their remaining 18 games.
Detroit's string of eight consecutive seasons with a playoff berth is all but certain to end this season. The Pistons trail Miami -- the No. 8 team in the Eastern Conference -- by 10 games with 18 to play.
Have the Pistons fallen so far that despite Utah's convincing win it still leaves the opposing coach upset at his team's effort? Yes, according to ESPN:
A night after putting up 132 points in a rout of Chicago, Sloan's Utah Jazz put on another offensive show, beating the Detroit Pistons 115-104 on Wednesday.
But the coach wasn't happy with the defense.
"I'm not focused on our scoring, I'm worried about our defense," Sloan said. "It's a matter of concentration, and there's no excuse for losing focus like we did in the second half tonight."
Utah was never seriously threatened after outscoring the Pistons 35-14 in the second quarter, despite allowing 61 second-half points.
And, boy, was that second quarter bad. Via SBN:
Detroit held a 29-28 lead after one quarter, but Utah dominated the Pistons, 35-14, in the second.
The Jazz began the frame on a 14-0 run, as Korver, Ronnie Price and Millsap each hit a pair of shots. Millsap's basket with eight minutes until halftime made it 42-29, and the margin escalated to 20, 61-41, on a pair of Okur free throws with 1 1/2 minutes left. The halftime score was 63-43.
Deron Williams described the win as "pretty flawless," according to the Salt Lake Tribune. I think "flawless" is the right word to describe the Jazz's record against the Pistons over the past five years, but "pretty flawless" was not the defense in this one. It might be the best way to describe the last time the Pistons beat the Jazz, though, which seems like a long, long time ago:
The Jazz beat the Pistons for the 10th straight time, now having swept the last five seasons series. Williams is undefeated against Detroit (as well as Toronto) since joining the Jazz. Their last loss to Detroit came March 13, 2005 in a 64-62 decision.
Stat(s) of the night (via NBA.com):
Running a pick and roll clinic, Utah shot 56.3 percent from the field and assisted on 35 of its 45 baskets.
A silver lining is always good (UPDATED -- I originally had Jerebko's tip dunk embedded, but it wasn't loading properly because NBA.com's embedding feature sucks. Instead, enjoy Jerebko hitting 13 of 19 three pointers at a Euro basketball camp):
Here are SportsCenter's abbreviated highlights.
Fill in all the holes in the comments, DBB.
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WTF?
It looks like Stuckey is taking Ben Gordon to Guantanamo Bay or something and the capture was sponsored by Gatorade.
I'm just like a sports reporter, but without the insight or money.
jonas embedded the dunk via his facebook
or whoever handles his facebook did. i tend to think it might actually be jonas doing it since he only writes like one sentence for every post and its always strictly business.
it might be SB Nation's capabilities to embed NBA.com videos that sucks
Detroit Bad Boys- SB Nation's Detroit Pistons Blog
Twitter
or jonas is just magical.
he can embed a video on your forehead if he wanted to.
by dandresden on Mar 11, 2010 4:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Facebook
I just found out that George Blaha has his own Facebook page. Of course I became a fan.
ye
jonas does handle his fan page at facebook . here“s the link btw http://www.nba.com/video/games/pistons/2010/03/10/0020900955_uta_det_play3.nba/index.html
Is kwame that bad?
I mean, bad enough that we have to have max or jj guarding memo and boozer in the paint? They killed us w/points in the paint, and when max got into trouble, we brought in cv. Like that’s going to help. To make up for that, we constantly had to help in the paint, leaving their wing players wide open. I know our roster limits what we can do, but how can kuester not put up a game plan that includes a center?
I know this will sound bad but it’s getting to the point where I can barely watch this team. The vets are playing poorly, and the young guys don’t play until garbage time. And it’s like we don’t even try on D without Ben Wallace. It’s just so ugly and painful.
by brgulker on Mar 11, 2010 10:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m with Joel. The last 20 or so games without the Canswer + MFWB + Dyess were more fun to watch than this mess.
With a healthy Ben Wallace, with MFWB, and with Jonas, I can deal with it. But right now, MFWB is just WB, and Big Ben is out. Tough to stomach.
Granted
But last year as a whole was less fun than this year as a whole. The end of last year was a little better than the end of this year. But if Bynum continues his climb back to MF status and Ben manages to come back healthy things will become much more watchable
I disagree
At the end of last season there was at least the illusory hope that the Pistons might bring in some good players with reasonable contracts. The future seemed to have some brightness. It all depended on whether Joe Dumars could make the right moves.
Now there’s much less hope, barring a miraculous top-3 draft pick. We’re locked for four more years into two of the worst contracts in the NBA, Gordon’s and Villa’s. Those deals are financially crippling. This is a bad team with little flexibility to change itself.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 11, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
This is by far the worst, most disappointing and uninteresting season we've had...
…since the Teal Years. I literally find no joy in watching my favorite team right now, so needless to say I’ve been very much into fantasy b-ball this year. We just simply aren’t putting a quality product out there on the floor. Plain and simple. And it’s 100% Joe Dumars’ fault.
Not 100.
You need to cut a slice out of that pie and put it on the players. Like Gulk mentioned- our guys just don’t play defense… and aren’t potent enough on awesome to win games based purely on firepower.
Jonas & Wallace are the only dudes I’m completely cool with on this team right now.
"I didnāt even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." ā Drew Gooden.
Deron Williams and flawless victory
Anyone think of Mortal Kombat with that quote? I know this season has felt like one big fatality
/opponent rips heart out of chest, shows still beating heart to Piston faithful…
I root for the Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings and yes, the Lions.
Me in 140 characters
by ReichardZ on Mar 11, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Time for a Jerebko jersey.
So that I can remember the one good thing that came from this season.
STRIKE 1.
I know the "Langlois is dumb" thing is tired
We all know the sky is blue. We all know that Langlois is dumb and dishonest. But this new mailbag response warrants mentioning anyway. Langlois pretends that, in the event of a hypothetical expansion draft, it would be smarter to protect DAJUAN SUMMERS than Rip or Tayshaun, the Pistons’ two best players. DAJUAN SUMMERS! Nothing against DaJuan, but if he can’t get minutes right now for one of the NBA’s ugliest and most depressing teams then he is very unlikely to be in the NBA two or three years from now. Sheesh.
Tim (Grand Rapids, Mich.): Hypothetically, if there were a new Seattle team and the NBA stocked it with an expansion draft, which players do you think Detroit would protect?
Langlois: Very interesting question, and Iām not going to give you a definitive answer, but Iāll walk through the process, at least. Rodney Stuckey, Austin Daye, Jonas Jerebko and DaJuan Summers would be the no-brainers. Kwame Brown, Ben Wallace, Chucky Atkins and Will Bynum, whose contracts expire, would be out of play to be put on the protected list, I would assume, though the NBA modifies its rules every time an expansion draft is held. That leaves Jason Maxiell, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva and Chris Wilcox. Assuming the NBA would allow teams to protect eight players, and Wilcox would be one obvious pick to leave unprotected, youād be choosing between Maxiell, Prince, Hamilton and Gordon. Prince, I think, would be the first one moved to the protected list because heās got just one year left on a reasonable contract. Gordon and Villanueva have four years left, Maxiell and Hamilton three. Gordon and Hamilton, even at big money, would be attractive for an expansion franchise because those teams often struggle to find consistent scoring and those two players have proven over many years that they can score 20 or close to it a night. Maxiell and Villanueva donāt make the kind of money Hamilton and Gordon do, but theyād also have appeal because frontcourt players proficient at any one thing ā Maxiell with his offensive rebounding and the ability heās shown often, and lately, to affect games with his energy; Villanueva, when heās right, to drop 20 points effortlessly in a variety of ways ā are always coveted. What Joe Dumars and his staff would have to consider in finally submitting the name to be thrown into the expansion pool would be the likely strategy of the people in charge of assembling the new team and the likely list of names other teams would submit. Ultimately, he might gamble that the new team wouldnāt want to take on a contract as big as Gordon or Hamiltonās ā especially if he sees another high-scoring guard likely to be made available with a lesser contract ā with the consolation that heād be covered at that position even if he were to lose one or the other, while simultaneously giving himself future cap flexibility.
It's not that crazy
Yes, saying we should definitely protect Dejuan is a bit odd, but everything else makes sense. In fact, not only should we leave Rip unprotected, I would openly hope for him to be taken. He has a terrible contract and he shares the position with another player who (theoretically) is good enough to start. Dejuan is on his rookie contract and is therefore very cheap to keep around; the fact that he doesn’t totally suck is almost a bonus.
No way man
(a) We as fans have literally no evidence that DaJuan does not suck, so none of us can say with any degree of credibility that he doesn’t.
(b) Rip remains one of the best shooting guards in the NBA. He shoots at high percentages, he is a good passer, he’s a tenacious defender, and he’s got good size. He’s a two-time all-star for a reason, and his game should age well because it’s skill-based, not jumping-high-based.
© Ben Gordon can barely stay in games because he’s such an abysmal defender. He and Villa had by far the worst +/- ratings in last night’s miserable loss. As soon as they take the floor it’s a layup drill for the other team.
I’ve never understood the Rip hatred on this board. It’s silly; I don’t know where it comes from. Injuries this season aside, Rip gets paid commensurate to the quality of his play.
Joe Dumars has made a lot of mistakes, but Rip is one of his biggest successes.
I like what happens when you put a c in parentheses!
Didn’t anticipate that.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 11, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate Rip at all
I love Rip and would actually enjoy seeing him finish his career here. But his contract is terrible and getting rid of him would provide us with serious cap flexibility. I suppose getting rid of Gordon would be better, but one of them needs to go.
And whats with the Dajuan hatred? We have no evidence that he DOES suck. Almost every time he gets to play he has been pretty decent. The reason he never plays is not a lack of talent but the fact he is the fifth option at SF.
I don't hate DaJuan at all
DaJuan seems like a nice guy, and for the team’s sake I really would love it if he turned out to be good.
I’m extremely skeptical, however, that he is. I don’t care if he plays a crowded position. The Pistons are HORRIBLE. If Kuester believed he had any talent I feel sure that he’d be throwing him out there in some manner to try to start something. What would he have to lose? Summers is as big as some of our PFs anyway. They could find a role for him. Kuester must think DaJuan will get crushed if he takes the floor in important minutes.
If you look at the Pistons’ history, every single season for the past decade they have trumpeted the potential of a young player who winds up doing nothing, at least not for the Pistons.
Most recently it was Deron Washington, whom Langlois repeatedly insisted before the season was becoming “an elite perimeter defender.” Washington was supposed to be a serious contributor this year. Langlois used his “emergence” as justification for giving away Affalo. Deron Washington was cut from the Pistons before this season began because he sucked. Now he’s a bench player in the D-League. He can’t get minutes there. Before Washington, it was Walter Sharpe (Langlois on draft night: "Joe Dumars looked like someone who knew something about Walter Sharpe that no one else did… ’He’s good man, he’s good.’ "). Before him it was Cheikh Samb, whom I loved personally but who never did anything for the Pistons. Before Cheikh it was Amir and Carlos Delfino, who are doing all right now (which I’m glad about, because I like Delfino and love Amir) but who have never been very consistent… And then there is Darko, the king of never-gonna-be.
I just see no reason why I should believe the word of Pistons management that DaJuan Summers is good, when they’ve shown again and again how little they can be trusted when they talk about project players. And their praise is the only reason anyone thinks the dude is good, since we have seen almost zero minutes from him this season.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 11, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Afflalo*
Got to use spellcheck when writing about Spellcheck.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 11, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
BHFTW
Couldn’t agree more.
Jod and company have tried this same song and dance so many times that I’m honestly surprised anyone still falls for it.
Everyone here complains that Daye isn’t getting enough minutes; how is Kuester supposed to give more minutes to Daye and find more minutes for Dejuan? I’m not saying Dejaun is going to be great, or even all that good. But in the limited time that he has been given he has looked pretty effective. He has never looked completely out of place like Sleepy used to. Yes, Langlois has exaggerated or even lied on many occassions. But that by itself does not mean that Dejuan is terrible. His minutes has been few and far between, but when he has played he has done about as well as anyone could expect of him.
Maybe I’m just a little too optimistic, but I refuse to take a lack of evidence from him as evidence that he sucks.
I don't think that Daye isn't getting enough minutes
Honestly, Daye doesn’t look like an NBA player most of the time. He can shoot well but as a defender he has about as much chance of stopping an NBA small forward as does a gentle breeze on a sunny day. He’s like a wisp, an apparition.
I hope he keeps putting on weight (he’s only put on 7 pounds this season, which is really not much at all given that he’s had the better part of a year to do nothing but work at putting on weight), but until he does he will be really limited in his effectiveness.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 12, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
He does have skills though
He can shoot and his fundamentals always look really good.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 12, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
RIP is shooting a career low 40% this season
He doesn’t attack the rim or get anything too high percentage. He is not one of the best shooting guards in the NBA. Maybe a few years ago but cetainly not now! He has good size at 6’7 but cant jump or finish well around the basket and his inability to grip the ball(small hands) doesn’t help.
He was great a few years ago, but you still think he is one of the best SG in the game? C’mon man!
Bill Higgins – Rip WAS one of his biggest successes.
STRIKE 1.
Re: Rip
I think that Rip was a big success, but he’s been mostly bad this season on offense. His shooting numbers have dropped dramatically, and that’s not uncommon for old players.
I think he still has some value, and I’d rather have him than Gordon. But I think he needs to be a 3rd or 4th option at this point in his career, and unfortunately, that can be said of every guy on our team.
I think Rip's been hurt
His splits show steady improvement in shooting percentage every month this season since his injury, and he’s now approaching his career average of 45%. (This month so far he’s at 43.3%.)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3330/splits;_ylt=Asc92QuYExxSI2li8IqpnxdaPKB4
Rip is 32. That’s not old, not even close. He’s only a few months older than Kobe. No one calls Kobe old. In three years you might start saying Rip is getting older.
Rip is still an exceptional player. He plays effectively on both sides of the floor and can do a ton of things. He’s also incredibly unselfish. There are a lot of playoff teams in the NBA who would be fortunate to add him to their starting lineup.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 12, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I will freely confess...
…that I love Rip on a personal level, same as I do Chauncey and Ben (Wallace) and Tay and Rasheed and McDyess. I am unlikely to be able to evaluate Rip objectively, although I really am trying. I am biased.
However, I think the trajectory of his splits, combined with his very solid performance in the non-shooting areas of his game, are strong objective evidence that Rip is fine and will continue being finer as this miserable season wears on to its close.
The Pistons have several huge, possibly intractable problems. To me Rip is the least of their worries.
by Bill Higgins on Mar 12, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re right in terms of his progression this season. I also agree with you that he should be the last thing the Pistons are worried about. His contract is too big, if you ask me, but it’s at least tempered by the assumption that his game is the type that will age well.
As much as I agree with you on a lot of things, I do disagree on the “old” factor. I think Rip will produce well as he ages, but he’s certainly in the twilight of his career. The last two seasons should testify to that. As players get old, they get injured more easily and take longer to recover. That’s been the case for Rip for the past two season. I’d love for him to remain perfectly healthy until he’s 35, but the odds are against that.
Either way, I agree with you on about 97% of your comments, so it’s picking small nits.
I thought that said "picking small nuts" at first.
That would’ve been funny.
And Rip is awesome. Let’s dump everyone else.
RIP will
Have some trade value this offseason. It looks like Tay has way more left in the tank than I thought. At the beginning of the season I said they should trade Tay. I was wrong it is RIP that should go.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.

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