Charlie V. can't wait to prove himself next season
I give the dude credit for playing hurt.
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So this whole season was like the 7 million dollar tee shot hit into the trees, and next season is a 7 million dollar mulligan?
It's cool, he gave his excuse
He said he’s been playing hurt, and playing through most of it.
I’ll buy it for this season. I’m a Piston fan. I support the team, just like I drank in 5 years of awesomeness.
I liked the reference that Kuester made to Charles not showing up on the defensive end of things. This is something that needs to be talked about. I also like the positive press for Jerebko. When you are a standout like he is, the praise needs to come from everywhere. They are such a horrible team right now that the guys who are achieving need to know it’s not for nothing.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
Hopefully he spends the entire summer healing, lifting weights, and doing whatever cardio he can. Maybe if he’s a bit more fit, his body won’t break down as much? He definitely has talent so hopefully he can come back next year and show us something.
by garrettelliott on Mar 28, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
You know, Charlie V really is better than he has shown this year. When he was healthy earlier this year he was actually pretty effective. Actually, Ben Gordan has been in a similar situation. He was playing good until he got hurt. Let’s be optimistic for a bit: what if next year Charlie and Ben G come back healthy and desperate to prove that this year was a fluke? We still need a quality big man, but we should be able to find that in the draft or by trading Rip and/or Tay. We could actually be pretty decent next year with only some good luck and a few small changes.
That's good.
Someone needs to balance all the darkness in this board.
I was more dissapointed yesterday than I am today. I feel cautiously hopeful. A lot of things will have to go our way for this team to turn it around, but I don’t feel this team’s fate is sealed yet.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
Absolutely
I’ve actually thought about forming some sort of “rainbow shitting association” around here just to help organize people to help counteract all the negativity around here.
impressive
will it be an EEEEEVIL rainbow-shitting sauce1977-hating club?
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I’d consider the group a “diet-coke of evil” kind of group at best. And we (or at least I) don’t hate you sauce. Only the unrelenting negativity.
arguing just to argue
is kind of this style of adversary’s calling card, but i’ll put that aside for the moment. the following “yous” are in general, in this war on rainbows.
the unrelenting negativity is false. i say nice things, but you key in on my exquisite negativity, and apply a rainbow shield without noticing the actual state of response-to-response rainbow-status.
instead of marveling at the occasional gem, you have to be categorically-difficult.
instead of high-fiving my impetuous style, instead of respecting my impregnable defense, instead of just accepting me for my me-ness, you insist that i be something other than ferocious.
in sum, i want to eat the proverbial children of this type of person. a heart on a platter will do.
praise be to allah
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by sauce1977 on Mar 29, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i am calm
that’s always the most amusing response.
in case nobody guessed, i agree that charlie v is better than he’s shown, and i accept the injury excuse, but he’s building up a fragility tag, meaning that being hurt is part of his yearly adventure. on top of that, kuester isn’t right about a lot of things, but there’s so many times one can take where he watches a guard go uncontested right past him for the easy 2. that’s why he’s on team 3, more than anything else, i’d imagine.
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Rec'd
Iron Mike FTW
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
i wish heavyweight boxing was still awesome
i try to do mma at times but have a hard time equating it to how awesome heavyweight boxing was for many many decades
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I agree
MMA is the closest we got right now, being a bigger fan of hits and not really interested in technical wrestling & Brazilian style Jujitsu I rarely watch it either. I like that show Fight Quest alot though.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
i think there's the problem
most people aren’t too impressed by wrestling and the non-striking moves, despite the fact that they’re far more potent physical combat styles.
i guess there’s a case of boxing being exciting because it can take a lot of strikes to beat a man to death, and people like the aggressive, attacking-nature of it.
it’s hard to get excited over inferior boxers being trumped up as something special, that’s been boxing’s problem for a while now, in part.
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I just mark out for anything strike based.
I don’t like ground & pound either. I really like seeing somebody lose a fight via a punch, kick, throw, elbow, flying knee, etc. I like standup combat the most.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
very agreed
the exact same words out of my mouth on this subject
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For the most part I do respect your opinions. Everything you post is logical and intelligent and the like. But I just get tired of people (not just you) who always seem to look at everything from the most negative side of things.
It is not that I disagree with anything you say. Yes we do suck, yes our future looks questionable at best, yes, Joe D. has sucked recently, etc. I agree with all that. But that doesn’t mean we all have to dwell on that. When all we ever do is point out how much things suck at the moment, the only real choice is to become angry or despondent and neither one sounds really appealing. So instead, I just prefer to realize that no matter how bad things look now, there is a silver lining to every dark cloud. Does focusing on that small silver lining when there is so much darkness around it make me misguided? Perhaps. But I prefer to think of myself as an optimist. If I didn’t have hope, I’d have to quit being a fan— and that ain’t happening.
by bugman222 on Mar 29, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
For what it
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
is worth (my bad)
I dig your attitude Bugsy
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
you do realize (point by point)
But I just get tired of people (not just you) who always seem to look at everything from the most negative side of things.
there are times for rainbows, and there are times for negatives. and this time, with this team, it’s time for those negatives. there aren’t a lot of rainbows to consume, and really, if that’s what you need to keep going, that’s got to be rough, being stuck on only one mode.
i am explicitly arguing that the number of negatives you see from me and others reflect the dark times in which this franchise currently operates.
when the pistons were going swell, there was no shortage of rainbow-shitting, myself included, correct? when this team was doing well, we all crowed and said nice things, repeatedly.
the only real choice is to become angry or despondent and neither one sounds really appealing
really now, that’s how you feel when you hear bad news? surely you can’t be that undeveloped as a human being.
when they told you that when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade, did it ever occur to you that some of us make lemonade through carefully-constructed jokes and mockery? how can you be that mode-stuck when you hear bad things? i refuse to believe you’re that limited of a human being that limits their interpretation of bad news to anger and despondent wailing. sarcasm is a gift, some say it is a blessing.
the human existence is wired to remember negative outcomes, through pain, failure, and death, all of that is more memory-resident than any of the rainbows shitted, you do realize that, correct? how hard is life for you types of people to live, exactly?
But I prefer to think of myself as an optimist. If I didn’t have hope, I’d have to quit being a fan— and that ain’t happening.
you don’t think i’m LESS of a fan for doing what i do, i hope? i counter that. i think i’m MORE of a fan than some of you. i don’t accept this bullshit, i don’t respect it, and i’m not going to let it get painted for anything other than it is. when people tried to tell me the pistons weren’t any good and they were total bums while they were winning 50-some-a-year, no matter how much riggage there was involved in any macro sense, i just laughed that off because despite an idiot coach in flip and all the other nonsense, they were doing just fine, and i wouldn’t accept any other interpretation. i fought that just as hard.
now, it’s the opposite, for opposite times.
i maintain, there are silver linings for every cloud, but some times call for the truth, there’s just a lot of clouds, and ignoring them in favor of looking at all the silver linings is … mentally limited.
keep in mind this is long, i didn’t even proofread any of it, so apologies if something is just completely cut off or misspelled or whatever
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by sauce1977 on Mar 29, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
harsh. calling on the mental capacities of someone who disagrees with your approach, i mean.
i would dispute your “for everything there is a season” argument about this being a time for negativity. if you’re only positive when the team is doing well, or only negative when the team is doing poorly, then you miss a lot of opportunities for growth.
there absolutely is absolutely a time for negativity, but to me… that time has passed for this season. the horse has long been dead, and you keep bringing out more reasons to beat it.
as for your “sarcasm is a gift” remark.. I leave you to Oscar Wilde; “sarcasm is the lowest form of wit”
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ignoring any particular positive or negative feature of a situation
is blinding, and limiting, just the facts, if truth is that harsh, so be it, in this sense.
Oscar Wilde’s lifetime struggles obviously were born from his aversion to reality. in other words, that’s a guy i’m not really impressed with, for obvious reasons.
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i’m not ignoring that this is a bad season, that players have underperformed, that joe d. has made mistakes, or that the coaching has been less than perfect.
but that said, i’m still willing to note that there are positives.
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
so am i
but there are a lot of people grasping at straws on some of those positives, and i am not one of those guys to desperately search for one when there’s plenty to suggest it isn’t worth grasping for.
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that’s fair. i guess it all depends on your frame of reference.
i’d probably take the positives where i can, and say Coach Kuester is a mild positive this season, when considered next to MCIAFI.
you’d probably point out that the coaching was still average at best, and take a wider perspective of coaching in the league.
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
btw tell that sarcasm bullshit to mark twain
the difference between the right word and almost the right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.
when considered next absolute shit, everything smells kind of more positive.
i’d probably point out that some horrible failure in history was a failure, and none of the comparable people you’re arguing are worth arguing for.
compared to darko, charlie v looks like a positive, et cetera.
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i can see you get my point. frame of reference matters, and we’re choosing ours differently.
i’m not making such ludicrous claims as to darko and cv, but you’ve got the idea.
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
you are kind of making ludicrous claims, sir
and you are not any righter for it
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comparing an aspect of this year to last year is ludicrous? if we’re getting all civilized and polite, sir, please use proper grammar. the term would be more right.
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
can't ask me to do anything
but show you the door on most of your claims.
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that horse was long dead
when we kept beating it when things were good, too, i suppose, we should maybe then talk about how things are not good enough when this team eventually turns in a 65 win season and wins its third championship in a row.
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not exactly my point. in this case, the team is bad, and my focus is on the positives while we rebuild.
in the other case, noting the negatives of a 65 win team that just won 3 championships would be to keep it a good team, prevent it from getting weaker. this would be akin to the lakers bringing in ron-ron over Ariza. it’s easy to get caught up in “we won 65 games, we’re winning championships, everything is wonderful” when your team probably needs to make some changes.
the teams i think most represents the latter case is San Antonio. a fantastic team that won’t win the championship, probably because they waited until this year to adjust to its aging core
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
makes no sense
you’re arguing to ignore the other attributes while things are bad in order to rebuild, while stressing the negative aspects of a top-tier team in order to keep it at the top, almost ignoring what’s going on in either situation and essentially dooming it to incomplete consideration.
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once again, you miss the distinction
between ignoring something and not making it the center of my attention.
i’d like to be able to point out what’s being done well even when most people are pissed off, and i’d like to be able to point out what could be done better, even when everyone is happy
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
not the center of attention
you just don’t like how it’s said, is all, what it’s really all about.
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so you continually claim
emphasis on continually
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
infinite, resolute
my will is a diamond eagle of incredible hulkitude in the madness of your ass hattery
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artest really isn't a good fit either
and actively blowing up a slowly-degrading franchise is worse than watching it fade away.
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when the pistons were going swell, there was no shortage of rainbow-shitting, myself included, correct? when this team was doing well, we all crowed and said nice things, repeatedly.
I don’t know. I remember the old DBB having a lot of negative people complaining over a two game losing streaks.
where is Prophecy_Projectz anyway?
Jonas Jerebko : Pistons :: Skippin' Bail, Dippin' Jail, Whippin' Tail and Sippin' Ale : MF Doom
dude, bugman.
Complaining about our complaining is like blaming an audience for hating a bad movie. Get used to it. It’s likely to last quite a while— and we’re stuck in the theater seats A Clockwork Orange style.
If you’re tired of the complaints about this little film— blame the director, not the audience.
Jonas Jerebko : Pistons :: Skippin' Bail, Dippin' Jail, Whippin' Tail and Sippin' Ale : MF Doom
the failure in this analogy
would be that when you go to see the movie again, or another movie by the same director, all the same people came back again to complain about the same things.
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
the failure in your hair-splitting critique
is that I’ve read it a good five times and don’t understand what you’re trying to communicate. I think my analogy was pretty damn clear.
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if it’s okay to be negative, it’s okay to react to negativity.
if you all feel fine pointing out any and every negative thing, and treating any optimism as foolishness, why shouldn’t someone disagree with you?
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if you all feel fine pointing out any and every negative thing, and treating any optimism as foolishness
Now when have I done that?
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I don't think he was referring to you
I’m guessing he was referring to to a certain someone who accuses any optimistic comment as “rainbow shitting”.
who is this mystery person
no really, who is that person, i’d like to know.
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I’m guessing he was referring to to a certain someone who accuses any optimistic comment as "rainbow shitting".
Quite hyperbolic, don’t you think? Every time someone says something optimistic there’s someone here who calls it rainbow shitting? That must be tiring.
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my apologies, MP
i was indeed overgeneralizing the opposing viewpoint
i think that's where the movie analogy doesn't work
also it brings up the question of when things are bad, do optimists naturally have to leave the ship because it isn’t positive enough for them?
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i don't understand this thinking.
if two people see a movie, one person sees the positive, and one person sees the negative, who is more likely to go back for more?
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm suggesting the movie analogy doesn't really work
to following sports.
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if you knew how news works
negativity sells, so you’d agree that people do go back for more of a bad thing.
they’ve been profiting off the notion that the sky is falling for years.
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this is true. but the news isn’t sports either, otherwise the nets would be the most profitable franchise in recent history
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
and props to the nets for beating the spurs tonight
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
well
nobody’s willing to pay all that much to see a loser play in person.
and i don’t think people pointing out the negatives on the team or making jokes about things that don’t work in one’s backyard really get people to stop reading, in a large majority.
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if it makes things more tolerable for you or others, by all means. continue to quip. but why the hostility toward those of us who don’t agree?
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, on second thought. forget that i asked. i probably won’t like your response. and i can’t handle negativity, my mental faculties are too limited
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
uh
i’m the one who was told by various others to stuff it with my negativity, that everything i say doesn’t contribute anything, my very being in comments was questioned, and i have since declared a war on rainbows and so on and so forth.
and for the record, i never called bugman stupid, i called his scope limited, like yours.
but unlike bugman i am calling YOU stupid, because i’m a fan of truth, and then you keep running into my brick wall with zealous abandon so i’m guessing you’re also a masochist and you tend to guard your unabated love for being served tickets to pwntown with a general rainbow filter, so as to not be exploited by turrible realists who don’t suffer from your affliction.
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i would say that setting up a straw men of bugman’s argument and then calling people who think like that “mentally limited” is equivalent to the word “stupid.” you continually state that people ignore the clouds to see the silver lining, when i don’t ever recall anyone saying that everything is perfect and nothing is wrong.
your air of moral superiority is astounding, as this is a question of perspective, not truth. if i choose to look at what positives i can take from this team and move forward with, i don’t particularly understand the logic or reason behind saying i have an affliction.
but i agree, i am running into a brick wall. its names are ignorance, vulgarity, and self-righteousness. you’ve shown yourself to be relatively boorish in attacking others while claiming to be a realistic bringer of “truth.” perhaps you’ve mistaken truth with opinion.
by the89oracle on Mar 30, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i just pulled out the superiority as a dramatic suppostion
i believe most of us aren’t all that splendidly astute when it comes down to anything.
your interpretations … are yours, but the truth is:
ignorance is really things you don’t agree with, vulgarity is merely naughty words and offensive only to the most sheltered people, and self-righteousness is clearly a sign of your abject stupidity because i’m one of the least-serious people about self-superiority. i used to pwn whoever that lawyerboy kid was for his airs of elitism in his words, and that motherfucker was serious about it.
you’re a damn liar most of the time, and you’re downright insulting toward me, comrade. above all, you asked for it.
i don’t care who you are though, you’re wrong just the same. and this is a bullshit exit maneuver, and it’s pretty clear to me that you’ll keep coming back for more, and i’ll serve it to you.
truth, boy. your opinions aren’t even close.
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ignorance is lack of knowledge, vulgarity is what is unacceptable in a public forum, and you proved nothing about your pretentiousness.
i do not lie, and i amused that you consider me to be insulting to you, when i challenge your assertions.
this is not an exit maneuver, although i am done for the night. it would give you far to much pleasure if you believed you scared me away.
by the89oracle on Mar 30, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
wrong on all counts
you asked for this war, dude, the negative nancys will naturally subside when this team improves, rendering your bullshit position to another bullshit and retarded position, and negativity can be a constructive force, don’t you ever forget it, fool.
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to kriz
we’ve broked the thread its had too many replies
tl;dr = too long, didn’t read
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr
the lol @ you is to garrett for the tldr record
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this is not an exit maneuver, but it is
you blatantly contradict for its own sake, and then you agree with it like a passive aggressive cockbag.
i’d be sad if i drove you away that easily, for my assumption that you are a massive douchetrain looking for more and more vinegar fuel would be way off, i’d feel naked about being that wrong for five seconds before i moved on to more trufax and awesomeness elsewhere.
my brick wall’s there, as always, for you to bash your stupid head.
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by sauce1977 on Mar 30, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
While I do find all the complaining somewhat annoying, that’s not my biggest problem. My biggest gripe is when people tell me I’m delusional for pointing out the positives. Some people here are so caught up in all the negatives that they refuse to acknowledge anything positive and even go so far as accusing people like me as being mindless “rainbow shitters” when we try to see the bright side of things. Just because I’m am optimist does not mean that I’ve stuck my head in the sand and am blind to all of our problems.
Yes things suck right now, I get that. We all have lots of reasons to complain. I will never knock someone for choosing to point out all the problems we have. I would just hope that even the most negative people here could come to see the value of an occasional positive comment within the sea of negatives that this year has become.
by bugman222 on Mar 30, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if this was a typical solid pistons season
i’d agree and wonder why an occasional positive comment was met with such hostility, but that’s not the case. the sea of negatives reflect what’s going on. sorry, there isn’t much room for seeing the bright side of things, on the subject of most things pistons-related.
perhaps if enough people are telling you that you’re delusional for pointing out positives, there might be something to that.
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Why does it matter if it is a "typical" season?
There is always room to see the bright side of things no matter how bad things get. I don’t knock you for pointing out all the things that are wrong with us this year- Lord knows its a long list. But I would hope that you could at least allow me and those like me to point out the silver linings occasionally without being told we’re being delusional. There aren’t many positive things about this season, but don’t deny me the chance to point out them out when they do occur.
when it's appropriate
some of you (not you specifically) want to crap a rainbow at the most untimely moments, and believe it or not (not to me, specifically and always), that might actually be annoying to those people, for whom i speak.
both are ends of a spectrum that cannot be reconciled. maybe the solution is that both sides can take positives out of truth, no matter how good or bad the news/truth might be.
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I can agree with that.
Both extremes are certainly annoying. There certainly are some people who take optimism (or pessimism) so far as to become delusional. It is important for all of us to realize that there is almost always a good side to every bad thing just as there is usually a bad side to every good thing. It is important for everyone to respect the opinions of people on both sides of the issue even if someone else is choosing to see the argument from the other side. Just because someone else is being pessimistic when I want to be an optimist doesn’t make them wrong, and vice versa.
IME
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with optimism, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pessimism.
Our franchise is currently in shambles. Different people cope with that reality differently. If I didn’t have the DBB community, I’d have probably stopped watching this team by now. Having a place to come vent my frustration and be pessimistic has been cathartic and helpful for me. Sharing that pessimism with some of the others like sauce1977, Bill Higgins, and others helps me get through this mess (that sounds way too touchy feely).
But, I gotta say, it’s also really helpful to be around people who see the glass as half full, like Kriz, Skylar, bugman222, and others. And I’ve said as much to many of you.
I don’t see how fighting and complaining about peoples’ subjective responses to last season, this season, and our team’s future gets us anywhere. I think it’s better just to accept that people cope differently and let people give voice to how they see this team and its future.
It is a monstrous thing, to slay a unicorn.
The blood of a unicorn will keep you alive, even if you were inches from death, but at a terrible price . You have slain something pure that from the moment the blood touches your lips, you will have a half life, a cursed life.
i only believe in one curse
the chauncey curse
talk to joe about slaying unicorns dogggggg
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symptoms of plantar fasciitis include difficulting bending the foot and pain in the heel
remedies include rest, physical therapy, and potentially surgery. (thank you wikipedia)
sounds like it’s something that makes it tough to play through, and will only get completely better in the offseason. lets hope this is the explanation for his poor play, at least
by the89oracle on Mar 29, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah ok, i guess thats an alright excuse for now
but still kinda pisses me off. he had lil injuries all year long. dont want to sound callous but i kinda feel like he was doggin it this year. gordon as well.
I think it's just frustration.
You or I wouldn’t be so disappointed with CV’s performance if we had everyone healthy and playing playoff basketball.
i havnt given up on cv yet.
the injuries have taken there toll but he needs to get into shape over the offseason and take the defensive side of the game a little more seriously…
I get my ass kicked for money, all you gotta do is talk motherfucker.... Rampage Pride GP03
And CV sucks. He reminds me of current Sheed. And that’s horrible.
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