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Sure, we're all aware of this in varying degrees of acceptance. But it is a slow news day (night)...

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OK, I'll try to see a silver lining

Two points. First, I think the article underestimates the effect of injuries on PER and related stats. Look at Tayshaun. Not only was he out a lot of the year, but recent games indicate that often, even when he played, he wasn’t feeling 100% and therefore wasn’t performing up to his capabilities. And even the guys who were healthy, well, when they’re playing with a significantly depleted roster, that’s going to hurt their stats. See Stuckey’s low assist numbers in various stretches of the year. Yes, he’s not a pure PG and he needs to work on the distributing aspect of his game. But also, he’s been on the floor a lot with a bunch of guys who aren’t scorers at all. I still say if everyone had been healthy, or as healthy as an average NBA team, this would have been about a .500 squad.

Of course .500 isn’t good enough, which brings me to my second point. Yes, barring something odd, we will have Gordon and CV on our squad for a while and not a lot of cap room. But I still think there’s a chance both could play significantly better. That would in part be due to everyone getting healthier, but also because I think Detroit can get a more balanced roster. OK, so we’re not going to get a dominant big man in the post. I don’t think it’s out of the question that we could get one or two basically competent bigs who could score, albeit not dominate, in the post. Guys who are just a couple of notches better than Kwame and Wilcox could make a big difference, in terms of allowing Detroit to spread the floor and getting Gordon and CV better shots. I still worry about their defense, but we’re never going back to the lockdown D of the 2003-6 Pistons — and given league rules, I’m not sure trying to do that would work.

In short, if either through the draft or through a shrewd non-blockbuster trade, we get a competent post scorer and everyone stays healthy, well, we could be significantly better than .500. To challenge for a ‘ship, we would have to get lucky beyond that, though, and that’s where my silver ball gets cloudy..

Or, Joe could screw up the high draft pick, not be able to make a decent trade, and we’ll be stuck with a team whose offense relies on guards shooting mid-range jumpers and driving into clogged lanes, and whose defense is suspect.

Finally, if you wanted more evidence about Joe’s problems drafting, how about this fun fact from the RealGM piece: JJ was “Detroit’s first Rookie of the Month since Zeljko Rebraca in 2002.”

by Toledo Joe on Mar 9, 2010 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

that’s where my silver ball gets cloudy..

All I can see in the silver ball is my reflection.

by TDP on Mar 10, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Detroit’s first Rookie of the Month since Zeljko Rebraca in 2002

Sobering

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Mar 10, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, this is almost unbelievable, literally:

In the offseason, they traded Amir Johnson to clear just a little more cap space, signed Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva to monster contracts of $55 million and $35 million over five seasons. Detroit has three five-man units with at least 100 minutes and two of them have a positive +/-, but neither player is included.

It’s (ironically) nice to see that it’s not just Pistons fans, who are inevitably a bit biased, that are pointing out JoD’s blunders and the bleak future we appear to have. Kinda cathartic, in a way, and at least we know we’re not crazy for thinking what we do.

by brgulker on Mar 9, 2010 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

at least we know we’re not crazy for thinking what we do.

 How could we be crazy for being unhappy with some of Dumars’ moves? We watch every game. It’s obvious this team is poorly constructed. One look at the record itself reflects this.

 Still, I expect Joe to find a way to improve this summer and next season. Really.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Mar 9, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s nowhere to go but up, my man. ;)

Sometimes I feel like I’m overly pessimistic. I’m sure I am at times. But it’s somehow reassuring to see that the mainstream media also seems to think that Detroit is in some long-term trouble … makes me feel a bit more balanced is what I’m saying I guess.

by brgulker on Mar 9, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but that writer mentions Amir Johnson and his PER in the article like it was an integral part to our success. Which he wasn’t. At all.

by TDP on Mar 10, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

It is probably just me, but

while I do agree this team is mostly a unbalanced mess, I see potential for brighter days very soon.

That article says (paraphrasing) that Gordon, Rip, and CV are untradeable. That could be true, for now. What the article doesn’t mention is that if Tay finishes out the season playing the way he has been playing the last few weeks, we will have one of the most sought after trade chips next season or even this summer.

A productive, versatile, veteran champion on an expiring contract will always return value from a contender. Heck, we might be able to get a proven impact player with a longer contract from a team looking to shed future playroll.

I do not agree that this is the team we’re stuck with for the foreseeble future. Jod has made plently of mistakes, but I don’t think for one second he won’t at least try to fix them. After he trades Tay, drafts, and maybe spends some or all of the MLE, we will have a different team. If Jerebko and Daye (and hopefully others) continue to improve and we get a few solid young pieces I don’t think the future will be doom and gloom.

by waulie on Mar 9, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. There’s no way Jod just sits back and goes, “Well, I guess I messed THAT up!”

by garrettelliott on Mar 9, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

While I hope you are right, my fear is that exactly what happened this trade deadline (read, no one expressed interest in anything other than Ben Wallace) will happen this summer, except for with Tay’s contract.

Time will tell. I could be worried for nothing.

by brgulker on Mar 9, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Rip isn't untradeable.

Gordon and Villanueva are tougher to trade… especially Charlie- they haven’t really done anything of merit this season.

Rip & Tay have had some awesome games out there. That doesn’t go unnoticed.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Mar 9, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Gordon will also be tradeable

He’s having an off year, the dude can play. He’s not nearly the overall caliber of player that Rip is, but I’m sure some GM could fall in love with him if he gets hot again (like the start of the season, averaging 25 points, 50% FG, 40% 3).

At the trade deadline next year, he’ll essentially only have 3 more years on his contract (as the majority of his contract will have been paid for that year). That’ll make him a much more attractive trading piece to a rising contender (such as OKC, though I doubt they’d want him when they have Durant, Westbrook and Harden as their backcourt).

However, the one thing that has really puzzled me about Gordon this year is that he’s flat out stopped shooting. Lately he’s been averaging around 5 shot attempts per game; he was brought in to be a scorer and he knows that. I’m not sure what the issue is here, perhaps chemistry issues? I mean Rodney basically stopped scoring once Tay got back, so perhaps the vets are doing something in the background.

by bearded thundar on Mar 10, 2010 7:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Are there any interviews with Q-Star where he talks about Ben Gordon’s slump?

by garrettelliott on Mar 10, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

perhaps chemistry issues?

 I think that’s a very legitimate possibility on any team with a record like ours.

"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.

by Skylar on Mar 10, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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