What's the best way to quickly turn this team around?
by Quick Darshan on Apr 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
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PrintTo me, it's overpaying a 2010 free agent whose team will not want to lose that player for nothing. Now, that's a mouthful, but here's my thinking:
Take Carlos Boozer. He's not worth a max. contract. But, he probably thinks he's worth it. The Pistons don't have cap space and other teams do. So, if the Pistons were to want him, they would have to outbid those other teams (Miami, for example). But, they can only do this if Utah wants to make sure they don't lose Boozer for nothing (and don't want to offer him a max. contract themselves).
A trade I suggested on another thread would have Rip, Tayshaun and Jason Maxiell going to Utah for Carlos Boozer (at a max. contract) and Andrei Kirielenko.
Utah would get three players that won't buckle under Jerry Sloan's tough coaching. With Deron Williams, they'd have a formidable 1-2-3. Granted, a Milsap, Okur, Maxiell frontcourt rotation is definitely a step down.
Boozer would get a max. contract.
The Pistons would have to overpay for his services, but would gain fiscal sanity going into the 2011 off-season once AK-47's contract comes off the books. And they'd have a young core of players including: Stuckey, Bynum, Gordon, Daye, Jerebko, Summers, Boozer, Villanueva and whoever they get in the draft.
Any other players fit the bill?
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Pick a future, stick with it
Joe Dumars needs to pick 3 guards from Bynum, Rip, Stuckey and Ben Gordon and move the other one.
Pick two of Maxiell, Charlie V., and Jonas and move the other one.
Use the assets you get from moving players to either move up in the draft or boost the quality of center you can get back in a deal.
Dumars made some flat out stupid moves this past year (Afflalo for zero, Amir for cap space) that hurt the team’s future for the short term gain of…uh…making the lottery.
Stop drafting projects. Draft flawed players who can help now and trade for projects if you want to take a flyer on people. There are a zillion hungry pros on the edge of falling out of the NBA who want a second chance. Give those guys a try.
Maybe sign Udonis Haslem to pair with Charlie V?
Jod has to try to get a 45-50 win team again with no bad contracts, then you roll the dice again on one big deal. That’s the Piston non-superstar building plan. But Dumars hasn’t been very good lately. And drafting Jonas Jerebko in last year’s draft gets him almost no credit. The 1st round pick rode the pine and the other second round pick was a bust. It’s a surprise when you DON’T get a modest surprise rotation player every few years with a second round pick, not when you do.
by joejoejoe on Apr 18, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
By trade, by free agency
We already had our shot at Boozer. Had we made him a private offer before he opted in, Boozer could have been ours. Today, we have very little left to offer— we’ve already blown our free agent and major trade asset load. Bringing in a free agent like Boozer is about as slim as it gets to “none”. If we needed it (and we did), it would have happened last season if at all.
But to answer your question:
What’s the best way to quickly turn this team around?
Well, had we dumped that 3 game winning streak and lost the last game of the season, the draft would have pretty much been a sure thing. We would have picked up an all star, not a role player (and we may not even get the latter now). Since we won those four oh-so-meaningless games, our turn-around is now delayed even longer.
As a result, our best bet at a close range turn-around is to deal our pick with another player for a better player. Or deal that pick and another player for a better pick. Short of that, we’re fucked.
But as has been discussed here ad nauseum, our best bet is to cuddle up to Minnesota and see what we can get done with either Jefferson or Love. If neither are in position to move (along with Ramon Sessions), we should aim for Sessions alone.
Sessions is just waiting to make a Joe Dumars out of the next GM that gives him a shot at starter’s minutes.
Long story short, the best way that we could have turned this team around quickly WAS the draft. But now we’re looking at a 7th pick or later unless divine providence is involved. We have no free agent money to play with. Our best trade assets have already been moved. The guys we have left aren’t likely to get much in return.
…which pretty much leaves the 2011 draft.
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
We can stil get a top 3 pick.....
…..Its not like we cant get….Yes its more difficult but its stil there…Just ask Portland (Oden), Orlando (Shaq) and San antonio (Duncan)…It can happen
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 18, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
response after 5 beers
Best way?
Selling the team to someone who cares. Then.
Firing Joe Dumars.
With reality … Joe’s better @ trades, minus the whole AI idea. Maybe he should get some cap-savers and try again in the 2011 FA market. We’re fuckity-fucked, fuck fuck fuckity-fucked. Dance in the ruins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPUzxMnmhkQ
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
keep Joe
$10 says the sole reason why he signed CV and BG was because management told him to. Had he saved the cap space, they would have no big names to market with. Rip had already worn thin with us by the end of last year, and I don’t think Stuckey is really all that marketable because he’s so quiet and doesn’t show much emotion with his commercials.
If we’re lucky, now that Jordan owns the Bobcats, we might just be able to bamboozle him again, perhaps something along the lines of CV for Chandler (who expires soon) or get Augustin for about nothing.
by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hoodwink Jordan!
This would be a very satisfying offseason development.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
Joe Dumars and Jordan
Fifty bucks says Joe D has a tape recorded convo where David Stern tells Jordan to play baseball for two and half seasons.
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 20, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we can say that Dumars is great with trades
But he pretty much sucks at everything else…
Darko + Arroyo for Orlando’s 1st round pick that netted us Rodney Stuckey
Otis Thorpe for a conditional 1st Rounder that netted us the 2nd overall from Memphis
Rasheed Wallace trade
Billups for AI
Now before you call me ridiculous for listing Billups for AI, hear me out. As a trade, the financial flexibility of moving our largest contract for a player that had the POSSIBILITY of keeping our team competitive last season. Regardless of what happened last season, the AI trade was worth it to get out of Billups long-term contract…Billups is worth that money in Denver but the production he likely would have given us in Detroit would not have been worth it.
My opinion is that the trade itself was at worst a wash and was at least a smart move to improve our finacial flexibility. What Joe D did with that financial flexibility was just par for the course with Joe D’s FA signings…
Outside of Billups and McDyess, who has he signed that has actually made us better? Maurice Evans, Jarvis Hayes, Flip Murray, Kwame Brown, Nazr, Chris Wilcox, Dale Davis? I consider Bynum more blind luck than intelligent talent recognition on JoD’s part and in a “hindsight is 20/20” kind of way Ben Wallace hurt this team just as much as he helped it by anchoring a pathetic defense and probably helping us eek out at least 5 more wins than we should have (so by helping us win, he hurt us in the draft lottery).
Our only hope for improvement it seems is through trade since we can’t depend on JoD to make a good draft selection in the top 10 and we can’t depend on him to sign the right piece to the puzzle with the MLE.
Here’s to hoping he can build up Tay’s draft stock with some end of season game tape.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Apr 19, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you. His trades have been solid. I’m personally hoping that he views Charle V and Stuckey as trade assets … With the cap not dropping dramatically, Charlie’s contact doesn’t look that bad, assuming he returns to form, and Stuckey will have nice trade value in terms of what we can get back once he’s on a new contract.
Jerome Williams for Corliss Williamson.
And for the record, I found out what happened to that first round draft pick Toronto gave us. According to basketball-reference.com it turned out to be Fran Vázquez who was drafted by Orlando in 2005…how Orlando got that pick is beyond me but six picks later Danny Granger came off the board. It also states that we received Tyrone Corbin & Kornel David in that trade but I don’t even remember any of those guys playing for us.
Another intriguing contribution by QD.
Like a good GM, he does his best work in the off-season!
by -PS- on Apr 18, 2010 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like joejoejoe’s idea. Pick a core that’s not overlaoded at any one position and then move everyone else for whatever you can get.
One other point. At least a few of the teams who have been hoarding cap space will miss. They might be interested in a Guy like Ben Gordon(?).
But, it’s gonna take something unexpected and unlikely.
I also agree with joe3 about picking a balanced roster and giving your guys the freedom to play without being crowded. That would be a huge first step. I think there’s room for optimism:
- Ben Gordon and CV can only get better. Srsly.
- Daye should improve and hopefully put some weight on. He’s got skills.
- Jerebko is already pretty good for a rookie, and should also get a bit better at the NBA game.
- Stuckey’s jumper might improve.
So combine those with a decent draft pick and maybe some smart trades and we’ll at least have an entertaining team again. As it is, our brand of basketball is BRUTAL. Our offense is stagnant and our defense is non-existent.
Plus....
…Gordon and CV were never really healthy all year…They will most Def be better next season…Daye, Jerenbo and Summers will all be better next year…I think once we move Tay and Rip for any big men or pg we will be in good shape and back on track next season…Joe D is the man and he will pull it off.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 18, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This team's got to pick up the pace
You can’t play the second slowest pace in the league and suck at D. This team, as currently constructed, needs to be mid tempo at least. Hopefully a pure PG comes to Detroit with good defense and the ability to hit the three, and you can turn this team back into a defensive juggernaut. Stuckey’s got skills to be a good defender, but he either needs to be the SG or the sixth man.
by Biz Markie Moon on Apr 20, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
There are rumors that Boston....
…will make a play at Rip in the off season….Lets hope so…ESPN Insider had the rumor.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 18, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
then it must be lies
ESPN has some of the dumbest professional writers/reporters I’ve ever seen. Unless if someone reputable like 97.1 (who have close ties within the palace) can confirm this, there’s probably little basis to it.
by bearded thundar on Apr 18, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I put my money on Adrian Wojnarowski for Yahoo. Dude was practically an oracle last post-season. He called everything before anyone else, and 9 times out of 10 it came true.
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
As far as I can tell, that “rumor” is solely based on Vince Ellis doing his best Peter Vecsey impression.
Just got espn.com and rumors....
….its there.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 18, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
rip and sheed...
….will be fabulous together.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
The time to grab Rondo passed
Shortly after he was having his war of words with Danny Ainge. That dude is going nowhere, unless another rift is created… Who could be capable of creating such a rift, you say.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
I'm seriously convinced of this...
Book it…This off-season we’ll trade for Rasheed/Rondo for Tay/Stuckey…then use Rip to pick up a more legit big.
Sheed will lose 25 lbs in the off-season, grow out a fro, and start writing his book:
“Boston Fans are Bandwagon Ass Cats” chronicling his destruction from within and his never-ending love for the Detroit area and the Pistons organization.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Apr 20, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
DISREGARD THIS POST
My trade scenario doesn’t work because of some CBA quirk.
The idea that overpaying a free agent and doing a sign and trade is still worth debate though.
Never thought that was the best Idea
Get rid of Rip and Max there is not much room for them any more ,I will tell you now we can get a late 1st round pick for both of them , or some other talent that can help us .
why Max?
He’s a very a good player when he knows his role, and at only $5 mil/year, it’s not like he has a bad contract. Maybe a tad overpaid because of where he peaked, but he still can have a lot of value to the team.
Rip still is a very good player, but he needs a change in scenery. He’s gotten too comfortable with our coaching staffs and especially Joe; under new management, he should get back to producing at a high level.
by bearded thundar on Apr 19, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Haters gonna hate.
But mark my words, the Pistons will turn this around 360 degrees next season. Book it.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
by Kriz on Apr 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees."
-Jason Kidd, thanks for the former signature
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
Trailblazers want Camby back...Marc Stein brings the LOLZ
When the Trail Blazers traded for Marcus Camby at the trade deadline, if was viewed as a stopgap, back-half-of-the-season solution for them up front.
Both Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla were out for the season, and with Camby being on an expiring deal, he was looked at as expendable since Oden and Przybilla will return next season and they’ll have more bodies in the frontcourt.
But looks like that perception turned out to be wrong.
According to ESPN’s Marc Stein, the team is “working toward securing Camby to a contract extension, according to sources with knowledge of the talks. One source said a deal, if completed, would likely span two years in excess of $20 million.”
Camby provided a solid defensive spark for the team when he was acquired from the Clippers, scored 30 points against the Thunder earlier this month and nabbed a whopping 17 boards last night in the Blazers’ upset of the Suns.
It’s been rumored teams such as the Knicks might make a play for Camby this summer, but if he makes around $20 million in a new deal with the Blazers, it might be tough to turn down.
Really Marc Stein? They’re going to give their 36 year old stopgap center who is already their largest contract on the books a 2 year extension that would be more than $10 million a year? REALLY? I think what is even more ridiculous to consider though is that they have both Aldridge and Roy locked up for 4 more seasons after this one.
Is this an indication of moving Przybilla or even more Oden insurance? And why the hell would you pay more than $10 million a year in Oden insurance when Oden himself is only getting $3.3 million a year?
Even more ridiculous, if Camby gets more than $10/million a year then what does that mean for all the other bigs who are FAs this off season. I mean I know Camby is producing incredibly well but he’ll be 38 by the time he comes off the books and this would totally inflate frontcourt value…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I don’t know… It all depends on how they view Oden’s recovery. If they think he’s washed up, they gotta do something to solidify the frontcourt, and if the owners will pay the tax, I don’t see a huge problem. They’ve got Bird Rights on all their players, so they don’t have to worry about losing them if they’ll pay them.
The league has some remarkable old veterans right now — Camby, Kidd, Nash, Ben Wallace. They’re defying age. If Camby can keep producing, and there’s no sign that he won’t, I honestly don’t see how it’s that bad.
And remember, this could be a bit of posturing, pissing a circle, so that they can pay him something like $14-16 over two years. Who knows?
I didn't expect him to stay put.
Camby was a real sourpuss when they traded him to Portland.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
There's talks of Bosh-Lee sign and trade
I wonder if we could get in the middle of that. Bosh goes to NY, Lee comes here, then we send Rip + Daye to Toronto. Could this work?
Seems decently legit.
“Chris Bosh told the media at the end of last week he’s not sure where he’ll be playing next season.
But most believe he’s not coming back to the Raptors and will go elsewhere in free agency. He’s given little indication his heart is in Toronto, and has said winning and making the playoffs is what he’s looking for at this stage in his career — something the Raptors missed out on this year.
Last week, Bosh also said this: “No matter what happens, me and [Raptors GM] Bryan [Colangelo] agreed to work together. I think that’s important. I respect him as a GM and he respects me as a player. No matter what you do, you always want to do good business in this league. We’re always going to talk.”
In a press conference today, Colangelo had similar things to say, according to ESPN’s TrueHoop Network site Raptors Republic: “We have agreed that regardless of whether or not he stays, we’ll be working together and talking. We’ll be assessing what options we have, but it’s not often that a young athlete walks away from a significant amount of money and that’s the difference between him working for us and … doing a sign-and-trade. There are no answers until after July 1.”
If Bosh decides he wants to play elsewhere, it seems the Raptors are angling for a sign-and-trade in an effort to to get some value back instead of letting him walk for nothing.
If Bosh decides to sign with the Knicks, it’s possible the Raptors could get David Lee back in a sign-and-trade. He’s not quite Bosh, but he was an All-Star this season and could plug into Bosh’s starting role in the frontcourt in Toronto next season."
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 20, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
why would Toronto possibly want Rip + Daye over Lee?
might want to take off the homer hat— no way would Toronto let someone ELSE get Lee in giving up Bosh, especially for our table scraps.
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
When did Lee become one of the Elites? Should they also be shakin that a division rival will get Rudy Gay?
I was thinking DeRozan was a pg before i just looked it up, and it would have made a lot of sense for toronto to get a veteran 2 guard plus Daye.
I’m talking of the possibility of a trade, don’t really give a shit about the full details. What if we offered Stuckey, Jerebko, Rip, and our 1st rounder. Would those table scraps get Toronto hard enough to let go of Mr. David Lee?
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 20, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The better question is, when did Rip and Daye (or any combination of our other guys) become elites? Nothing we have would be good enough to entice Lee or Bosh from either team, IMO.
Isn't Lee on a 1 year contract anyways?
Or am I crazy? I guess the two aren’t mutually exclusive though…most likely scenario is that he’s not and I am…but it’d be nice if he was and I wasn’t.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Apr 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC, he was restricted last summer, and no one bit, so NY was able to retain him without matching the offer that never came (I think that’s called a qualifying offer … could be wrong there).
So let me understand this a bit
We could have likely offered David Lee a qualifying offer that was in the $8-$10 million/year and either fucked New York’s FA plans by forcing them to match, or nabbed Lee for just a few million more than what we’re paying CV?
And of course we would have had to offer Ben Gordon less but he would have taken it regardless since Chicago wasn’t going to give him an offer anyways…
I think I may have to start the slow dramatic, yet severely sarcastic clap and direct it towards JoD.
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Coulda, shoulda.
I’ll never believe that NY would have matched a front-loaded deal worth 50 million over 5 years. There would have been some restrictions as to how much we could have offered him in year one due to the CBA, but I still doubt NY would have matched.
I can’t shake the feeling that this gets at my comment below about overvaluing how players produce vs. their raw production. It’s the same thing coming from Pistons’ brass about Aldrich. “Not a high enough ceiling,” yada yada yada. If you can go get me 20 and 10 for an entire season, I don’t care how you’re doing it. I care that you’re doing it.
Ok Stat, were these guys also Elites?
To me elite is at worst top 10 player. Do you really think he’s a top ten player right now?
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 20, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand your comparison
David Lee was a 20 and 12 player this year, he turned the ball over less than those guys and scored more and more efficiently. Also, see PER and O-rtg.
To me elite is at worst top 10 player.
Elite level to me is top 5 at your position. But arguing over semantics isn’t any fun.
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
he turned the ball over less than those guys and scored more and more efficiently
Take off those rose colored glasses, these guys all compare very well.
Now that I’m looking at these stats I feel like he’s a worse player. He can’t block a shot for dick, look at this stat, he’s 49th among centers in blocks per game right next to your boy Blair.
So if he can’t D up, he must be damn good offensively to be a top 5 center. He did put up good numbers the last two years, but they’ve come in contract years on a shitty team. So is he just getting garbage stats or could he produce on a good team? Will he put up the same numbers after he gets paid or is he just playing for that big contract?
I would love to have the guy on my team, but I wouldn’t dare call him elite. Rip + Daye is about the basketball equivalent of Lee, nix any contracts and team position needs.
by Roll The Dyess on Apr 20, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
what gulker said
he’s playing out of position— and still top 3 as a center (i don’t count oden’s 21 games as statistically relevant)
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
Blocks per game can be misleading
I haven’t watched enough Lee to know for certain, but if he’s playing alongside Gallinari then I have to figure he’s helping in the post a fair amount on whoever the rooster is guarding. Blocks are easier to come by if you can stay home and come across behind the other defender rather than doubling prior to the player making his post move.
Blocks can also be a factor of the defensive scheme established. Given it’s D’Antoni, that effectively means there is no defensive scheme established.
The best comparison EMO would be looking at possession by possession success guarding in the post – eg, what was the success rate/opponent FG% of opposing players that Lee guarded this season. Compare that with the other players success rate to get a sense for on the ball defense.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Apr 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He is pretty much Pau Gasol w/o blocks
My style when I'm manic is straight automatic , Pistons fanatic, love to ball so I'm at it! My style when depressed is readdressing the regress , while everyone today is steady praying for some recess !
I don't know if he's quite All-NBA
but he’s damn fucking good and I wanted that fool in a Detroit jersey least season.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
to be fair
Nobody could have predicted him to make such a large jump in performance. I watched him a lot last year, thinking we might sign him. He looked like a solid rebounder PF who occasionally score, in other words, a just above MLE guy. This year he’s become a legitimate all star, primarily because of the jumper he’s added (which I had rarely seen him use at all the previous year).
by bearded thundar on Apr 20, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said there wasn't
I only said that he was no where this good last year
by bearded thundar on Apr 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlo boozer is not that good…we got a good team is just the injuries messed us up if we stay healthy u will see us make the playoffs and be dangerous to any team…we just need our solid Center and Ben wallace bacing him up…Please pistons fans dont turn into winers and band wagoners like the celtics fans
Whatever...
I love being a winer. If by winer you mean someone who enjoys imbibing in fine wines, then guilty as charged!
And all we want to see is improvment. We have to move someone to improve this team. If you truly believe that this team as it currently stands is well-built to be dangerous to any team in the playoffs then I would urge you, nay, insist, that you put down the kool-aid. Just put it down, man….its okay. It was hard for all of us, but trust me when I say you’ll feel better for it…at least after the initial withdrawal anyway.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
edit:
“As it currently stands” is inclusive of whatever we do in this year’s draft by the way. I don’t see us getting enough out of the 7th overall pick unless JoD surprises us all…
Oh and Boston fans complained the shit out of making some moves and what did that get them? Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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by MaxiellEatsLittleOnes on Apr 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin McHale as a Piston?!?!
That’ll be the day.
by bugman222 on Apr 21, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THAT is Kevin McHale?
He looks half scared, half-retarded…
Yeah I guess when I put it that way, its definitely Kevin McHale.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Apr 21, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't he unemployed?
love is basically the guy who broke the story of his firing via twitter if I recall.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
He's a TNT commentator now.
And actually pretty good. I like him. TNT generally has the best broadcasting crews, although they’d do well to swap The Czar/Reggie for JVG/Mark Jackson.
I can’t stand Jeff Van Gundy, he makes so many idiotic comments about the Pistons. Like last year, he continuously made fun of Curry (which generally is okay) for putting in Fabio in a key situation – Fabio then proceeded to nail a clutch 3. I’ve got little respect for him, and I especially cannot stand Bill Walton.
I like TNT as is. I’m down with Reggie, he’s a bit full of himself, but not to the point that it affects his commentating. And besides the Barkley group is down right funny a lot of the time.
by bearded thundar on Apr 21, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on JVG
Unless he looks like Ron Jeremy, there is no reason to like a Van Gundy. Unfortunate for JVG, only his brother has this trait.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
I like Stan
in small doses. He can be very entertaining when he’s losing.
To be honest, I’m surprised that Dwight has gotten completely fed up with him yet. All that constant yelling, from a fat guy who can’t do half the things he expects his players to do. One thing that makes LB great is that he also keeps himself in great shape, and can physically demonstrate what he expects out of his players. That’s how he’s able to develop them so much better than other coaches (except perhaps Jerry Sloan).
by bearded thundar on Apr 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I should also give Popp an honorable mention in that developmental department. He hasn’t had to develop too many players himself (as Buford has done a great job of drafting talent), but you can look at guys like George Hill and understand why his teams always win.
by bearded thundar on Apr 21, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely adore both Van Gundy's.
And fully would endorse JVG as our next head coach, as I did before Curry and Kuester. Those Knicks teams were fucking FIERCE. And there isn’t a funnier color guy on TV— absolutely no way. I could listen to JVG ramble on and on about nothing pertinent for hours and be completely entertained. That ESPN head crew is by far my fave in the game right now.
And I hope Stan wins a 'ship with the Magic soon...
Just to rub it in that frontrunning cocksucker Riley’s face.
I kind of like Stan. He got upset after a couple writers completely left Howard off their DPOY ballots this year and said those writers should get their votes taken away or something like that.
Also, who in blazes gave David Lee a third place DPOY vote?
I didn't know Mike Payne could vote!
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
by Kriz on Apr 21, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since sensitivity is running high at the moment
I’ll refrain from humor.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
GOTTA BE FUNNY TO REFRAIN
oh snap…yeah thats right Kriz, I FUCKING WENT THERE.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
by The Boourns on Apr 21, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was that you who found that awesome JVG podcast last year? Sometimes I wonder if he’s so basketball-smart that he just gets bored with things and goofs off instead (talking about movies and other dumb stuff).
by garrettelliott on Apr 21, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This was supposed to be to Joel. Weird threading.
by garrettelliott on Apr 21, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He’d probably take you to the Olive Garden for dinner and then to go see Leap Year.
by garrettelliott on Apr 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck a Jeff Van Gundy, and Fuck Bill Simmons.
http://pistonpost.com/2007/12/08/note-to-jeff-van-gundy-quit-your-day-job/
/walks off stage
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
at least fat van gundy gets results
bitch van gundy you can continue to give bjs, if that’s your fancy.
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.
My only concern
is Van Gundy the type of guy to try and get down your pants in the theater, or is he more of a short kiss at the end of the night kind of guy?
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
by Mike Payne on Apr 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he’d probably critique the date with some negative spin and then give you some pop-culture filled metaphors as to how you could improve the next date.
by garrettelliott on Apr 22, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck Bullshit Simmons
SVG is a good coach but I’d give him a kick in the penis for that Detroit shit he talks
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
I don't like Stan.
I used to but I don’t anymore. There is a line between protecting your playing and catering to Dwight’s weak ass sense of entitlement and for me he crossed it. I just wish he would tell Howard to man up and shut up about it instead of constantly whining to the media that his elbow throwing center is getting push too hard.
Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?
on the one hand, he caters to dwight by saying he gets pushed around and the refs don’t call fouls against him because he’s so big,
and on the other, he constantly critiques dwight’s play, especially FT shooting
Boourns for President.
DeMarcus Cousins stole your lunch money.
by Mike Payne on Apr 20, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
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