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Now Charlie Villanueva is Taking His Frustrations Out on Twitter

These just popped up on my Twitter feed from Charlie Villanueva

This has been a very fustrating year, it just only got worse 2day, I have never experienced, in my 5 years, what I have experience this year

And shorty after, following a number of questions from fans, he posted this:

Let's put it like this, I rather not say anything cause I don't want to get fined

Your guess is as good as mine as to what happened, but I think we all have a pretty good idea what this is about.  CV was surprised and openly upset about receiving his first DNP-CD since 2008 last Wednesday against the Heat.  After making statements to the media that he'd like to play, he was granted his wish, but has scored just 14 points on 6-22 shooting in the two games since the benching.

Presumably because he was playing again, things seemed to be better for a few days, at least on the surface.  He posted a picture of him laughing with Austin Daye on Twitter on Saturday, and after the Hawks game, he even distracted reporters from Pistons' talk by expressing his displeasure with the NCAA's idea to expand the tournament.  Maybe he was holding something in and it boiled over, or perhaps something new triggered these messages.

Maybe he was simply told he won't be playing tonight  tomorrow night in Philly, which would be fine with me since it would mean more time for the rookies.  Like I said, your guess is as good as mine.  Stay tuned, though.

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You know it's bad when...

.. the most recent post on Pistons.com is a ‘lottery update’ on how most of our upcoming games are not winnable.

by Sean W on Apr 5, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Loser

Hit the weightroom, show some effort, hit the low post and the boards and then you will deserve to play.

Vikings please trade up to get Earl Thomas.

by VikesPma on Apr 5, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

At this point, I don’t even care if CV plays D. If he gets a chance to play again, I just want him to unleash a barrage of unstoppable offense. He was brought here to score and he hasn’t been scoring at all. Maybe it’s a product of our weird offense, but he needs to just let loose and play his game. We know he can’t play D so I don’t even want to see him try right now. I just want him to do something.

by garrettelliott on Apr 5, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Twitter is for pussies, Charlie

Earn that cash or go change your last name to Dampier or some shit.

"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988

by Skylar on Apr 5, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

rec’d (in spite of my personal love affair with Twitter.)

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

so energy efficient. so green.

by the89oracle on Apr 6, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin

by Leapin Lion on Apr 5, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He adds this:
I respect Joe D so much, that I will keep my mouth shut, just needed to vent a little

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by Packey on Apr 5, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta respect CV for that at least. As much as I would love to know exactly what’son his mind and what caused this outburst, I’m glad he understands how and when to keep his mouth shut. It’s an important skill too many athletes never figure out.

by bugman222 on Apr 5, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recommended.

This sums up my feelings perfectly

by Gabe F-B on Apr 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

double-rec’d

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by Mike Payne on Apr 5, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

if only charlie v had an eject button

this would be the electronic sequence

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 5, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vajeen.

Keep your mouth fucking shut and do something on the basketball court that in some way warrants your multi-million dollar contract. Until you do that, you don’t get to vent via the pussiest form of social media. Total vajeen.

by The Joel on Apr 5, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

lol

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by Packey on Apr 5, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

charlie should quit basketball and just move next door to the kardashians. his whole twitter schtick just makes him seem like a reality show wannabe.

by dandresden on Apr 5, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Daye joining in on the Twitter-therapy
Yo I’m sooo swisted right now hahaha I’m about to take off on this plain but I can’t wait till u come to LA imma show u a good time promise

and…

every1 I’m twisted (mad) right now but when I’m in LA imma work myself to death to try and get myself right for next year

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by Packey on Apr 5, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

and..
Sonthin happened to me today that won’t every happen again and I’m just venting right now but I’m twisted mad and and gunna b ready 4 r game

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by Packey on Apr 5, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it me..

because I can’t make out half of what he is trying to say… :(

So is he mad because CV is mad or is he just mad because something else happened?

by DBB Diablo on Apr 5, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn dude, thats hard to read. guess they dont teach you how to use homophones at gonzaga.

sounds like kuester came in and called them all a bunch of bitches or something. like “the way you guys play you arent even fit to step on the court” or something to that effect.

by dandresden on Apr 5, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not you

he’s talking in tweet-bonics. I’m wondering if something didn’t happen between CV and Daye?

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by Packey on Apr 5, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t like how “imma” has become a word of some sort.

by garrettelliott on Apr 5, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i wouldnt doubt it. cv’s always been jealous of the way daye’s always talking about how great jonas is, about how cool jonas is, how nice jonas’ hair is. he was prolly like “if you like jonas so much why dont you just marry him?!”

by dandresden on Apr 5, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A fight between CV and Daye?

I suppose flab beats out skin and bones. Would be worth watching, though.

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So pretty good chance he didn’t ace his English classes at Gonzaga, I guess.

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re "playing the rooks"

I think, unless there’s some bigger issue, CV should play. He’s going to be on the team next year — he’s not going to be traded. And he’s going to get minutes next year, because we’re not going to pay him that much to not play. And it’s not as if he’s this super – seasoned vet, like Rip or Tay.

I’m willing to cut him some slack re scoring because the team has been so banged up this year, and we have a weirdly unbalanced roster even when everyone is healthy.

Having said all that, this is all depressing.

by Toledo Joe on Apr 5, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm guessing that CV was told he'll ride the pine the rest of the way

in an effort to give more minutes to Summers and Daye. If so, I’d be ticked off too. As Toledo Joe stated, he should be playing, he is part of out future whether some of us like it or not.

And I’m pretty tired of all the CV hate. He’s a fine player who’s been dealing with constant injuries. Plantar Fasciatis kept Joakim Noah out for a month, and made Tim Duncan look mortal a couple of years back when he had it. Give him a break. He’s also stuck on a craptastic roster that is just lacking in balance. And then there’s the whole issue of limited team chemistry due to all the other injuries that took place this year. Add to that Kue’s C/C+ grade for his coaching abilities, and it’s no wonder why guys are struggling. CV, as a defensive liability, should be starting alongside Ben to better compensate for his lapses. Likewise Jonas should be coming off the bench to provide that energy kick we’ve been lacking. And what kind of offense if Q calling? He’s simply using CV to set screens and punt triples. Why aren’t there drawn up plays to get him going early inside?

CV’ was looking fine early in the season as a starter. When Rip was out, the team offense was more balanced. CV was getting the ball inside and given the green light. He put up good numbers. 16pts 6rbs 46%FG in nearly 30 minutes.

Let him get healthy. Let Joe fix this roster. And let Q figure out how to maximize players strengths while at the same time minimizing their weaknesses.

by Detroit Buckets on Apr 5, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The Plantar Fasciitis is an underrated aspect of this

Sheed had it at one point when he was still trying (I think it was late in the ‘03/’04 season), and his movement was AWFUL. Your performance really dives with PF.

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-Arthur Dent

by Thom_not_Tom on Apr 5, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on CV

If he was playing the way a Professional should be playing especially one with a Huge contract, he wouldnt be in the dog house. At some point you gotta realize that your getting paid to Wear that uniform and play your best and if the way you have been playing is your best even though you have had some minor injuries, you need to pick up a new sport like water polo or something. Instead of texting you should be shooting and hitting the weight room from sun up to sun down. To prove everyone wrong. You was already considered a looser and horrible player and you just proved everyone right. All your fans that had your back are now jumping off the band wagon

by lartho6 on Apr 5, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah son

 Water polo summer league. Your basketball is bammer.

"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988

by Skylar on Apr 5, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, I pasted the water polo quote into the picture box

all I did was drink a couple beers and ride my ten speed down the street. what the hell is wrong with me

"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988

by Skylar on Apr 5, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also: hilarious picture of Q. Looks like he’s telling CV off.

by garrettelliott on Apr 5, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Or he’s putting on the rubber glove ready for a cavity search.

“Come ‘ere Charlie, I’m gonna drag some D out of ya”

insert aussie stereotype here

by Laughton on Apr 6, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

lmao, u know u’re not a good player when they dont even start you on the pistons haha. CV needs to stop crying, and props to Kuester for giving minutes to players based on their effort and energy and not their salary amount

by bags fly free on Apr 5, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

this could be Joe's excuse

to fire Kuester, I can totally see Joe’s trigger finger getting ridiculously itchy these last few days.

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 5, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

A lot of folks here wanted Avery Johnson, didn’t they? I think I was one of them.

by garrettelliott on Apr 5, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damn you, sbnation

see below, i hate this shit ass framework so much, i really do miss independent george dbb with the slow gameday failboats

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 5, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re about the only one. I absolutely love the new features. Colors, not so much. But the features are amazing.

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

grades

colors F
features D
sbvets F
needing an account Z-

the scant few people from the old DBB and a couple random folks are really the only ‘feature’ i can rave about.

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 6, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Packey on Apr 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that is a most handsome frown

and the typical sbnation user, fitting

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

says the sbnation user

DBB’s switch to SB Nation happened almost 5 months ago. Let it go, man. And if you can’t, then cry about it on your live journal.

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by Packey on Apr 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

this place is the highlight of sbnation

and it had to stoop down when it was absorbed by this conglomerate, is all

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 6, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

literally

i feel like this is like the Blogger or Grant Hill of hosts. barf.

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 6, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't

still don’t, without Dirka Dirka he’s a turd, probably.

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 5, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

avery dirka

derka derka

muhammad jihad!

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 5, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

hey charlie

soy el hombre vaaaaaaaaagggggggggggiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaa

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by Mike Payne on Apr 6, 2010 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

(specific clip, 1:00: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=catB6uq9ppA&feature=related)

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by Mike Payne on Apr 6, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rep my hood

I rec your post

"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988

by Skylar on Apr 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Ben Wallace made fun of his flabby arms?

Even Tay was laughing.

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Apr 6, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

The one thing I have liked about Charlie V since this summer is his attitude about the game in general and about being in Detroit in particular. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt for that reason.

Yes, he’s not a very good player. He’s played worse than even the most pessimistic predictions (ouch), but his attitude and demeanor have been great in spite of it all. I’m guessing that if he resorted to venting on Twitter, he’s probably pretty upset, and he’s probably got a pretty good reason. I’m not saying his actions were appropriate, just that we don’t even know what this is about yet. I’ll hold off on judging it ’til we do.

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

What ever happened to venting to just your friends and family? Venting in public on Twitter is dumb . People who read your Twitter are not your friends and family.

by garrettelliott on Apr 6, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

heated argument in practice?
I spoke to one Pistons source who tells me that practice yesterday turned in to a bit of a bickering-fest, with players and coaches involved (not unusual) and John Kuester even got so frustrated that he allegedly punted a basketball. This season has been a disaster and everybody knows it, and the front office is finding out right now who is mentally tough and who is not. Tough times can bring out the best and worst in players and coaches, and I’m sure the evaluation process gets magnified even more during a long losing streak. It is funny how there are certain players on this roster who are consistent.. consistent in that they are always complaining and sulking about the coach, no matter who it is.

Matt Dery of 97.1 The Ticket and a H/T to Need4Sheed

I added the emphasis on Kuester punting a basketball. I’d like to hear more context, but I don’t like the sound of that if it’s true – though it would be really funny to see.

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by Packey on Apr 6, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

i will miss tayshaun prince

i will also possibly watch more games of his, wherever he ends up.

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

by sauce1977 on Apr 6, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder what exactly went down. commence wild speculation

by dandresden on Apr 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least, that’s what TMZ Sports had to say about it.

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less is more?

I follow @CV31 on twitter and he has been a lot less active this year. I don’t know if it is because of the situation of a horrible team or if he was told to tone it down.

BTW: this is my first log in to the new site. What the hell?

Q Dog

by Q Dog on Apr 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome back Q Dog

"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988

by Skylar on Apr 6, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love That Big Ben Quote

Leave it up to him to tell it like it really is and not say some PC BS

by Buddahfan on Apr 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

what i feel is most noteworthy is the quote on need4sheed from Matt Dery

“It is funny how there are certain players on this roster who are consistent.. consistent in that they are always complaining and sulking about the coach, no matter who it is.”

if this is talking about people who complained about MCIAFI, there are only six holdovers from that roster. Stuckey and Bynum have been good about keeping their mouths shut. I haven’t heard anything of note from Maxiell, either.

The only other holdovers who we’ve heard past complaints from are Rip, Tay, and Kwame. So if there are “consistent” complainers, it’s probably one of the vets. Either that, or the new guys may have complained about coaches on other teams, but it sounds to me like Rip/Tay are the players in question here. that’s not encouraging

by the89oracle on Apr 6, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m reading it the same way … we’ve kinda discussed that in passing in some game threads. I can’t put a finger on it, but it does appear at times that Rip and Tay are tuning out Q the same way they did MCIAFI. And the way I see it, it’s more a player issue than a coaching issue. Just IME.

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add to that the fact that they weren't very lovey dovey with Flip neither.

I know Sheed was probably the main culprit, but I also think is very easy dumping it all on that one guy.

Where in the world is Cheikh Samb?

by Kriz on Apr 6, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben wasn’t much for Flip either, as I recall. Didn’t he say something about the coaching staff’s philosophy contributing to his decision to leave at one point?

by brgulker on Apr 6, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben has had his issues with every coach

At least according to him.

Much has been made about Charlie Villanueva’s recent benching in the past week, but one player who thinks it’s much ado about nothing — and healthy — is Ben Wallace. He was asked if the media reads too much into these matters.

“I think so,” Wallace said before Friday’s game against Phoenix. “Players-coaches, players-players, players-GM’s, we came from different walks of life and we’re not going to always get along all the time. I don’t want to be on a team where we get along all the time, either.”

Wallace added he’s had difficult, if not downright acrimonious relationships with every coach he’s played for, going back to playing recreational ball — where his older brother was the coach.

“I’m real passionate about the game,” he said. “That’s the way it is. If I don’t think we’re approaching it the right way, then I will speak up.”

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100405/SPORTS0102/4050350/1127/sports0102/Pistons-coach-laments-inconsistency#ixzz0kQBy8Gd9

by Big Z in Orlando on Apr 7, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

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